The History of Karnov - arcade console documentary
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This is one of those games that I've been telling myself that I'll eventually beat, only to get a couple of stages in & quit from exhaustion.
Same.
I have strong nostalgia for the NES version. I have it on arcade now as well. I love it but it's so dang hard.
Same, but now that I have it on MAME I can either use cheats or just keep inserting virtual quarters to keep continuing.
Fun game!
*frustrating
In the Street Fighter games, Zangief is a good guy. He was a villain in "Street Fighter: The Movie" and describes himself as a bad guy in the movie "Wreck-It Ralph". In any canon Street Fighter game he's on the hero side and quite friendly...when he's not hurting you...and sometimes when he is.
Yeah, the whole villain thing in Wreck-It Ralph never made much sense to me. I never saw Zangief as a “bad guy”.
@@Triknor Same, it made me wonder if they even knew anything about the character before making him a "villan"
Yeah, he's also likely to be inspired by a guy called Victor Zangiev (pronounced Zang-Ee-Ev. Not certain if it's a spelling mistake due to someone not being sure how the name was spelled after hearing it spoken, or if it's for avoiding lawsuits for unauthorised use of his image. Kind of like how Mike from SF1 isn't the boxer from the sequel, even though M.Bison could easily be Mike Bison, causing them to swap the names around internationally and call him Balrog)
Zangiev was a wrestler from the Soviet Union who was signed to New Japan Pro Wrestling in 1989.
The thing to remember about depictions of the Soviet Union is that not every country was as hostile to them as the US.
Japan would have had a complicated relationship with them, being on opposing sides in the war, but given the damage done by the refusal of the military to admit defeat (which would have prevented the nukes from being dropped on them and would have saved a lot of people from dying unnecessarily) and the imposed US occupation of the country making significant changes to their cultural norms and work lives there was a very significant amount of communist sympathy within the Japanese population. (the whole thing about Japanese companies utterly dominating the lives of the employees to the point where they never see their families, feel shamed for taking a holiday and collapse dead in their mid 30s after doing 6 months of 15 hour days. All brought over by an American Banker named Joseph Dodge, who was an advisor to General MacArthur. MacArthur had previously overseen work to protect the right for workers to form unions, granted the unions the permission to go on strike during a national dispute, had put into law that working conditions required that the health and wellbeing of the employees to be protected, so that they could live a decent standard of life. Looking into MacArthur himself I can see that he was born into a military family where his father was an officer, with him also being groomed for a leadership role. I don't think it would be sensible to try and infer his political opinions from his upbringing and actions during occupation. When it comes down to it he was there to help Japan recover stability enough for US corporate interests to turn it into a cheap source of labour and goods. As a military man he likely was just focusing on what would actually make it possible for the country to rebuild and would reduce the resistance to occupation. One could argue that the laws preceding the arrival of Dodge were a clever tactic: if the occupation didn't improve workers' rights then they would never gain legitimacy or favour with the largest part of the population. With unions being legally recognized, and the rolling out of new workplace protections, their energies are going to be put towards holding their employers to account)
@@casanovafunkenstein5090What does this have to do with Zangief? Christ
That one fight between him and Blanka where Blanka grabs ahold of Zangief from behind at the end, chomps down on his neck and starts frying him with electricity was a badass fight... i wanted to see Zangief and him fight more. I never get tired of tornado driving people into the ground in the game lol.
I still remember buying the NES version at Toys R Us. The moment I saw the T-Rex on the back of the box, my mind was made up. It's one of the NES classics that I most regret never being able to beat.
Remember that version you even
Fought the oscar award the actual oscar award and I'll attack you.
I remember my brother and I just straight giving up on trying to beat it and we beat Ninja Gaiden...so I feel your pain!
I don’t remember any kid back then who beat the nes game.
The ending isn’t much to write home about. Just a black screen that says “Congratulations the end”. The Famicom version had cutscenes and a story that were removed due to being based on religion.
This and Rygar were my favorite side scrollers on the old NES
Yes Rygar was a lot of fun as well
Rygar
Both of these were cheap as heck! Nintendo hard black box type stuff. The Legend of Cage was slightly more forgiving w the 'multiple ending' playthrough
got to play this at one of the local arcades back in the day. no one really played it much, so i would hop on while waiting for my turn at other games. great job Patman!!!
Karnov
Proof that you don't have to be young and physically fit to be a hero. 😊👍
But you definitely need to have the confidence & persistence, you wont progress your journey without it.
He goes down in one hit. How disappointing.
Katnov is fit.
The Wizard & Warrior music used in the live action of Karnov was fun to hear.
I totally missed that, good call
PatmanQC you’re the best! Sense of humor is on point…like a good friend telling a story over a beer
Thanks man, I appreciate that
I love it when smaller companies keep using characters in their game to make cameos. Like how Taito kept using Rastan in their Champion Wrestler games and such. Though no one had more cameos then Karnov.
The fact you could finish this brutal game with artificial hands is insane to me. You are amazing.
Thank you for brightening up everyone's days with these fantastic videos.
Don't judge him on that, lol. He's pretty fucking good, lol. I watched him for years not knowing anything about it. He's really ace at arcade stuff.
I don't have any hands to be honest. Check out any of my bowling videos and you can see what I'm talking about. Thank you though, I'm glad you enjoy my content
Thanks a lot
Great stuff as always. This is the definitive video on Karnov!
Thank you so much :-)
I remember playing this game at Mr. Gatti's pizza in Nashville back when I was like 9😎
Fascinating- I never figured that it was Abdullah the Butcher who served as an inspiration for Karnov. I always assumed Karnov was based off the Iron Sheikh (esp. given his keffiyeh-wearing appearance in the first Fighter's History game).
Abdullah has worn that in the past as well
The flash game Dance Dance Karnov, was part of the wave of Karnov meme's that hit the SomethingAwful forums in the late 90's early 2000's. Im surprised you didnt mention his popularity for a time there.
We don't talk about Somethingawful, especially since they lost their chill a decade ago.
For reasons I’ve never understood, the Spectrum Karnov sprite was a stock asset in my school’s Microsoft Paint
bruh
Wow! Such an excellent video! Grats
You can't have enough Karnovs in your life.
- Data East
LOL good call
Yes! Whenever a post n social media posts anything about old video games, and peeps try to out obscure one another, Karnov is my go to.
Shantae is Karnov's daughter.
That's my head cannon.
Got the NES version along with an NES Advantage joystick for a birthday years ago. Time flies, but this game is still awesome! Thanks for the video!
Honestly, the Muted colors and the same song every stage is that what kills Karnov for me... It makes the game feels way longer than it actually is.
That's pretty much the reason why I prefer the NES version.
Great job as always, Patman.
These documentaries should be in a vault. Well done as always. Please do one on Phoenix if you could.
Thank you kind sir, if I can dig up enough info on Phoenix….
For such a rough game it was and is legendary.
It is extremely difficult
I discovered Karnov when I was a child on Amstrad CPC, I played it a lot.
A few years later, I played Chelnov in Arcade and I associated these two games in my mind for their "bizarre universe".
It then took me a few years of maturity (and emulation) to understand why. Thank you Mr Patman for all these memories ;-)
You bet, glad I could help. Thanks
I used to rent this alot when I was a kid. Something about this game always stuck with. For the longest time I could not remember the name of this game. Searching for this game as an adult has lead me to discover lots of other great games. I did finally learn what the game was called and now own a copy for my NES. Great Video!
Patman, thank you for confirming how brutally difficult Karnov the Arcade game is! I thought I was just rusty with my days of punishing 1980s games. I am better at the NES version, but will work on my Karnov arcade skills soon. Thanks for the great history of Karnov!
Is a tough game That's for sure. Thanks so much!
I remember taking a look at this game's atract screen when i was 6 or 7 and thinking it was too weird for my taste.
Loved Karnov as a child of the 1980's wish Data East made an Animated Saturday Morning series featuring his Adventures.❤
They had a lot of great characters so that would've been very cool
I always assumed Karnov was on his quest out of greed, like Wario.
Used to play Karnov all the time at our local roller rink when I was a kid, one of my favorites!
I liked it as well but it was very difficult
One day in the late 80s my parents took us to Toys R Us and let my brother and I pick out one game. The game we picked was Karnov, and we played the heck out of it. Never could beat it, but it was still fun to play and that music can certainly get stuck in your head. I didn't know there was an arcade version of Karnov until much later, and when I discovered the NES version had a crappy ending, I was retroactively mad at Nintendo. lol
This is the one I’ve been waiting for. My favourite game as a kid. Thank you
Excellent thanks for watching
that game's attract mode scared me as a kid please cover gladiator and the nintendo vs. system arcade games great job thanks
This one goes back a little further than when I was able to play games at the arcade for that short time.
Karnov is one of the most overpowered fighting character's ever in Karnov's Revenge because of his air attack.
Had this game on NES. Played the arcade a few times. Great video as always!
Along with Black Tiger, Karnov was one of only two arcade games that I could beat on one quarter back in the day. Many fond memories.
Holy cow that's excellent
I bought this for the NES after getting brutalized repeatedly by the arcade version. A pretty good home port but I was never able to beat it. I've always enjoyed strange, off-the-wall enemy designs and Karnov delivers those in spades.
You even fought the Oscar underground.
Michael Jackson knockoffs.
Yay! You covered one of my favorite games of all time. I think the NES version is the best version of this game and I love the music and all the options available as you play. Good stuff. Thank you for a wonderful video!
Excellent, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching
Worth noting the Dance Dance Karnov Flash game is made by the deceased Something Awful founder Rich "Lowtax" Kyanka. I remember back in the mid to late 2000s that he mentioned on the forums that he almost finished a sequel, but it all got lost when the PC he used got bricked.
I didn't know that, thanks for the info
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries And not that I think you are in a hurry to play it again, but try clicking on stuff during game play if you ever come back to that game. I remember at least two Easter eggs, all being SA references that probably won't make sense to you if you weren't a reader back in the day.
Dance dance karnov is always the first thing I think of when Karnov comes up these days. Good times hanging out on the SA forums in the early 2000s. RIP Lowtax.
Love the NES game of Karnov and love playing the arcade game. Bad Dudes arch nemesis as well...lol....Good video Patman.
Thanks a lot my friend
I will never be able to forget the first level and that music as I was never that good at Karnov. My brother rented it a lot though... so we spent an inordinate amount of time with it.
I spent about eight days working on this video in that tune is still jingling and jangling around in my head
Patman always picks the most interesting games to cover!
I tried, hopefully there's still plenty of gems left in the vault
When I beat this on the NES as a young kid I was so crushed by the Ending. Later on, I was pleasantly pleased to discover the bittersweet news that the Famicon version actually gave the game a story. Even though we got screwed here in the states on the story, it was nice to know there was a version that included a story.
Yes and now that somebody is translated the ROM in the English we can all enjoy it
YES! I love "Karnov!" Great review!
Badass! When I see you upload a new video it really makes my day
That's fantastic, thanks so much
Been waiting for this one
Always loved the unique characters and music,def a unique game..🤘🏻
The amount of different characters is pretty cool to see
I love your videos. Keep up the great work!!!
Thanks a lot :-)
PatmanQC makes me happy 😃
I grew up knowing about Karnov, whooped his butt many times in Bad Dudes, but never actually played this on any system. I think I have this on my Pandora 5S, so maybe I’ll give it a try this weekend. I believe I will be glad I did 😊
one of my favorite games of all time. thanks for the video.
Thank you for watching
OMG Patman I am so torn between this and Bad Dudes as my favourite Data East Arcade Game from way back in the day. Strong work brother.
Thank you my friend
You know wat time it is! PatMan Time!!⏰️ Stop everything youre doing and prepare to witness greatness! I love u PatMan💯
Karnov on NES was one of my favorite games as a kid.
It was fun but man was a difficult
@@PatmanQC-Arcade-Documentaries Yeah it was.
I only ever beat it 2 times and I remember being frustrated while doing so.
What a crazy fun video! All hail Karnov!
I’ve only encountered Karnov in the upstairs arcade in Circus Circus in Vegas. I have played the NES conversion.
I never have been to circus circus but I always heard that they had a fantastic arcade
my god :-) this was my first game i own ,sadly it was a tiger video game 😀
I love a bit of Captain Silver. Practiced for ages but haven't quite nailed the 2nd loop yet.
What I enjoy about Captain Silver, Karnov and Psycho Nics Oscar is they're sort of generous with the powerups. Yes you can get sniped relatively easy but once you've learnt the game a bit it's not hard to have screen filling projectiles relatively quickly.
It's a rough game, I never completed the second loop either
Played that game a lot on the NES after awhile the game got to difficult for me but loved the game
As a kid or when describing this game to my siblings we know it as "the game about the guy that spits fire at dinosaurs"
LOL Good call
I always thought Karnov was the dude who fought Indiana Jones in The Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) But he didn't blow fire. I bet if he did then that fight might have ended a different way! I've not played this at the Arcades, but I did gravitate towards it due to the art work on the NES! Karnov is so iconic on the cover standing there with Dinosaurs all around!
In my opinion the BEST NES Box Cover Art period. That box alone is what sold this game! I saw plenty of kids begging there parents to buy it at stores when I was growing up!
LOL, yes he does look like that guy from Indiana Jones.
I frakking love it. You are the funniest on youtube man
How nice of you to say, I'm glad someone likes my silly sense of humor
music in this is bangin'
I played this game on NES and always liked. Would love to see it on the new consoles
So would I
Geeze, Karnov on the pole with nipple whips swinging🤢 cool video Pat💪
And here I was thinking that I was the only one that remembered/liked Karnov.
No sir :-)
Great episode 👍
Thank you
6:55 That golden statue man looks suspiciously like the Starman enemy from Mother 2 (Earthbound). I wonder if this enemy in Karnov was the inspiration for Starman?
I remember playing this game as a kid on the nes over my neighbor's house nd we couldn't beat it pass the 3rd stage lol thanks u for taking the time to make this 🎉
Absolutely, thanks for watching
I only knew Karnov from the NES title. Clicked on your vid because I couldn't believe someone could talk about Karnov for that long. Enjoyed your delivery though. Great vid.
Apparently 35,000 other people thought the same :-) one of my bigger videos in quite a while, I was pleasantly surprised.
17:04 That, sir, is the Minibosses's version of the Wizards and Warriors theme!
Nice, I missed that
I was going to mention that myself. Always nice to hear them in a video.
Enjoyed playing both arcade & NES. It’s always funny beating him on Bad Dudes & Fighting History.
Absolutely
Those damned Crabs seem to be the gift that keeps on giving! Can't escape them no matter how much you hit them with flaming breath blasts! Great video as always, Patman! This game reminds me of those good ole days! I remember playing Bad Dudes at the Arcade and being..."That's Karnov!! Shouldn't he be fighting a T-Rex somewhere?"
I didn't realize it was Wonderland! We basically just played the NES version.
LOL, I'm glad somebody got the joke :-) yes, I never knew the back story about the God of war either until I played the Famicom version
Thanks Patman 🎉
Thank you for watching
"My name is Karnov, and I like-a the letter K" - Joe Redifer, in a stereotypical Italian voice, for some reason
LOL
Great review thank you
Thanks a lot
Karnov participated in fighting
Tournaments. He even turned to the
Darkside in bad dudes.
That guy was everywhere.
LOL yes you was
omg!! KARNOV!!!
whats next? Rastan Saga? my favorite arcade of all time!
Already covered it
Awesome content!⭐😊😊
Thanks a lot
Karnov could certainly benefit from a modern remake or sequel, if only to make use of the shoulder buttons on a modern controller for cycling through items. 😉
Also, when Karnov was made to look more Asian in later appearances, it gave me the impression that he was meant to be a Mongolian-Russian.
True story: Karpov is based upon that one time Patman went out and ate too much spicy food. 🥷
LOL good call
@PatmanQC - History of arcade game documentaries the reason for no sequel was they couldn't land a spicy food sponsor for the game. True Story. 🥷
Karnov wouldn't surprise me if I sat down at a dimsum and he cheffed in front of us.....no need to panic map to hospital on back of menu........
@@thegamesninja3119 you are nothing but true stories!
@@joesshows6793 🥷 Ninja are known for honesty and transparency, so what else would one expect? 🥷
I actually remember renting this game back in the day, I think I was 8 at the time and I remember looking at it but I wasn't sure but some other games were rented out that I wanted so I was stuck with Karnov. I didn't like it at first but the game grew on me that I actually went to Toys r Us and bought the game a few weeks later.
I always wish they would have done other sequels to the first one. I remember playing it back in the '80s and not knowing what the hell is going on but I liked it. Never saw it in the arcade very often but when I did I tried to play it. Cool video, man.
Thanks a lot
You meet a spirit that's implied to be Karnov in Shantae & The Pirate's Curse. It's also heavily suggested that he's Shantae's father.
So Karnov got it on with a genie?
Never knew the
@@caucasoidape8838 Seems like it, according to Wayforward. His soul brother Abobo had kids with a mermaid in his game.
Who would've thought this character had such a big history, complete with spin offs and cameos. I sure didn't.
I knew a lot of them but definitely not all of them
I enjoyed the old NES version back in the day, but I really liked the graphics of the arcade version. Reminded me a bit of Rastan's style.
Yes, they are indeed similar
This was so much fun in the arcade. My disappointment after playing it on NES was unmatched.
No doubt
Lol I had the c64 version with a kid, I loved it, didn't know any better.
Thanks from Panama city Beach, FL
Excellent, greetings from Illinois
Bought the ZX Spectrum version of this, back in the day, and really liked it. It's a shame that the original arcade version hasn't shown up in the Arcade Archives series, or Data East's own equivalent series. There was even a "Data East Arcade Classics" compilation back on the Wii, with 15 games, but Karnov was a no-show in that as well. Nice to see the fella getting some love here, at least :)
It's amazing how popular the character has become considering a proper follow-up was never produced
PatmanQC and beer 🍺 = sorted 🎉
LOL, I hope you enjoy the video
Nice video!! thanks
Thank you so much, I appreciate that
Don’t forget Karnov’s appearance in Combatribes
Holy cow, if that's not him then it's a dead ringer for him. It's made by a different company so who knows?
The NES version of Karnov was one of those games I always wanted to play back in the day but never did since I didn't know anyone that owned it and the Hogan's Video near me never had it available to rent. For a relatively early NES release it's not a bad game. I never did play the arcade version or any of the home computer ports so thank you for this video!
I believe that he is one of the boss fights in Bad Dudes. Which is made by the same company
Yes I mentioned that in the video.
I loved this game ! Arcade and nes! I always thought the ladder was strange
It was a bit odd still fun
Thanks
All very kind of you, thanks so much!
Oh man. This game brings back memories. Not all of them good lol. One of the most difficult games I’ve EVER played.
It is very difficult
Bad Dudes was my first ever encounter with Karnov
It was mine as well
Beat this game on the good ol NES!
It was a tough playthrough, but a lot of fun!
I remember keeping the game paused for sleep and school because it took me a couple days to get through it. LOL...
Those were the days back in the 80s. 😊