Hi, thanks for the video. with all due respect I do not agree 100% but it is something to think about. As a traditional artist, I think we should never let anything limit us or how we want to express ourselves, we as artists should stay true to ourselves & paint however we think communicates our thoughts, feelings or messages best. Having said that, I think digital artists would find your idea easier to apply most of the time (I may be wrong) or if they are creating art just for followers and likes. Back to traditional artists, we also have clients that need paintings to fit specific spaces in their homes. We can't all have a one size fit all depending on social media platforms ratios 😅 Limiting ourselves in this way is very stressful, social media in itself is already a stressful thing to a lot of artists, restricting our art like that is not healthy. Also this is like saying all artists who work on very large scales are doomed on social media. I know as artists we get our validations from likes & followers, I mean this is how we know our art is good or bad, but we should never let social media control us in that way. There's always a way, like making videos or pictures of the work from many angles, and a good artist will get his likes & followers no matter what size his art is. There are many artists on social media not confining themselves with these limitations who are successful & get a lot of viewing & exposure. But again, maybe this would work for some people if they are making art for social media purposes or as a hobby and want likes & shares.
Oh, Bobby, your bits of advice are so unique, it's kind of refreshing. You never know what knowledge will hit you next, except that it'll be mind-blowing!
Love it! being conditioned by social media style I have mostly produce vertical art, but I love to create pieces full of little details that most of the time you don't get to see unless you start paying attention, I have been asked even why bother on those details if most of the people won't even notice them? and I always answer that I know they are there and when someone tells me that they notice too it makes me incredibly happy, because they are paying attention, quick to read art is good in some contexts but limits what we create and it will only work against our development as artists; so after a long time I'm working on a horizontal piece, with of course lots of details, and when I post it I'll do it in sections too for others to get to see it in more detail, I guess we need to sort of figure the best way to make the work we want to do and still being able to take advantage of our social channels. Loved that you talked about it Bobby keep it up!
I don't know how many times I said "That's what she said" in my head. 😂 Awesome video. I've never thought about the way art is seen on social media like that. The instagram frame on a small screen does take away from the impact a landscape drawing could have. However, i did notice when making art to post on Instagram, it can be challenging when creating that frame first then the art. It feels less restrictive when there isnt a frame. It keeps my mind clear to create art first then frame it afterwards. No boundaries should be the way, but i feel there may be a skill in creating in a limited space successful. 🤔
This is very true. Social media reduces the size and therefore the quality of the viewer experience. It's not the same. That's why I always post my work to my website as well as instagram. The scale of my pieces which are usually horizontal can be seen best in my portfolio website where I have full control over how big or small I want my 3d art to be displayed. Great video Bobby!
That's a grea taket! because I never really thought about the framing of my paintings up until I worked for some time as a graphic designer for social media, and literally everything was about creating the designs within a very specific frame. It really affects your thinking about how you want to display your art
You’re spot on, Bobby! I’ve noticed the same for movies now being framed more for eventual streaming on TVs than to be projected in theaters. There’s less grandeur but maybe more intimacy and tension. AR and VR will hopefully remove the restraints on scale in the future but they will have their own challenges.
As always, great video! About the size and the lost detail on the art, I never really think about it, I subconsciously rely on the fact that, the viewer can zoom in, if he is interested, and see the "amazing detail" Also I notice, I am fighting the frame all the time, I dont want to play by the rules, but it is true what you have said, people see everything thru their phones, and planning your art with that in mind, you can only benefit from it. PS: Long time fan, and idk, if I am bias but, I kind a wish your videos to be longer, they are great! but what do I know, I am too lazy to do Ytube :D
This hits nail on why I've been unhappy with the recent internet platforms. I like to make art big and also make it intentional to where it should be displayed. It's often also the arguing point with other people because they feel I'm lazy for not making accounts of every single social platform (though there are other reasons to it also than just display, but the display is a very big part of it). So long as I get work and get to do what I love to do I'm not overly worried about a mass of followers. This is probably a big factor to why I've taken a new interest in oil painting because I can paint on a big canvas and it feels amazing.
Thank you. You inspired my thinking to go beyond the frame. I once heard a definition of Art. "Art is whatever the artist chooses to frame" (I dont know who said it). I have been thinking about the size of my artwork. Feeling that small paintings are not considered to be real "art". They are not valued by most people. They are hard to see when hung up & a whole list of other limiting false beliefs /excuses. Although I do love to do large size paintings, being able to stand up and get my whole body into the action-mind- body spirit, For many reasons I am physically unable to do the large. Space to set up, health issues.... So I have been wanting to do smaller sized art. But limiting thoughts like: that won't count. it's not "real art" . You can't hang it up nobody but me would see it. So again thank you. I will break free of limiting myself by judging size. In one artist magazine many years ago I read that one artist won awards for his paintings on the head of a pin, using super magnifier or microscope and the brush was the size of 1 or 2 hairs. If I remember correctly he was painting detailed landscapes.
this is an amazing title, i clicked right away and i have never watched your stuff before. this video got me thinking about how it could be cool to show my art in a vr exhibit setting someday
No thank you Bobby! You've been a guiding light of my career for well over 10 years :) It all started with The Perfect Bait and then Schoolism and then Workshops that a miss dearly. You are a huge inspiration @@chiu-on-this
I don't even think art is meant to be on any social media, it just ruins it and deters motivation, and makes it super hard for industry people to find each other and get hired. It should be on specialized websites, like artstation and presented the right way.
My very long opinion: This sort of thing is happening to comics/manga/webcomics. Manga was traditionally consumed through magazines and books but with social media and the internet (and phones) the way people are consuming comics is changing. Reading a comic/manga through a phone can be cumbersome because the panels are small and the text even smaller, often requiring the viewer to zoom, pan, and scroll to view an entire page. I believe web comics evolved into using long strips where comics are now framing their comics into full vertical panels, perfect for the "frame" it's intended for i.e. a phone. Traditional comics/manga have also framed their work perfect for the frame they intended. A physical book meant to be on shelves dictated how artists could portray their work, as time goes on the phone is also dictating it the same way, a canvas or a book or a poster were just the limitations artists had to deal with because it was the most effective way to deliver art at the time. I don't think this evolution is limiting the scope of the artist's expression because artists were already being "limited" in traditional media. On the contrary, the bounds of what a comic can be were confined by traditional media, now new technology challenges those limitations (by providing different limitations) and what we end up with is a new perspective on what a comic is or can be. The most important aspect is the artist's vision, not the vessel used to deliver it, if people get too hung up on the vessel itself then we end up glorifying the vessel before the artist, in the best case you get a new genre of aesthetics (comic style, noire, pixel, retro) enjoyed for the limitations of the vessel itself, in the worst case we validate artists conforming to those limitations and we end up with standards and traditions that are too difficult to break. The way that social media itself dictates how artists respond is also undeniable. For example, Twitter has a 4 picture limit for each Tweet, for comic/manga artists that want to tell a story this was a bit of a change. They want social media presence (followers, likes, views) but their chapters could only be 4 pages long to not span over multiple tweets and risk diluting the metrics, so they adapted and now 4 page chapters became widespread. There weren't other external creative factors limiting these artists other than Twitter's 4 picture limit, so you could say that Twitter itself provided the frame for viewers to consume media like comics/manga in the same way that a smartphone does. In the same way that a 4 panel comic was digestible on a newspaper and thus became a standard, a 4 page comic on an artist's twitter emerged the same way. Whether it's a picture frame, a phone, a monitor, a newspaper, a book, a video, or a social media website, the only constant is the person's need to express to others, whether it's by speaking, playing, drawing, etc. If the "frame" is changing that means the way people interact with others is also changing.
It's funny because I never paid attention when it came to my canvas sizes in the past since I was on DA. But switching to Instagram I've realized that most of my picture was being "cut out" because of Instagram's size restrictions. Like you said you can zoom in, but until this year I didn't even know you could do that lol Thankfully I found a canvas size that fits my work and I've been using it off and on for the past year. That being said, it does feel limiting at times when I want to have a piece that is not so... "square." However, that's what other platforms are for. I just make sure that on Instagram the main focus will be within that "square" lol Also, that Sphere looks amazing! I didn't know it exsisted but WOW... would love to go inside that one day haha
I think it's not that you can't appreciate a painting on a cell phone, but when given the space, it signifies to the person also, this is important and worth paying attention to. When people go to museums they linger often and give the paintings more time in general to have their full impact also.
Hi Bobby. I was wondering do you ever get bored of doing art? Like wonder what if I did something else? It feels so daunting to think of all the work I need to do sometimes to reach my goals. I am already a working artist and doing some projects that I'm sure many students would kill for but I am not happy because I am doing other peoples work. I feel burnt out and I feel like a hamster running on a wheel. I need to keep running to stay at the top of my game and when I am done with my 9-5 I can finally work on the art I enjoy. The art that will hopefully one day land me the job I want. You say you like to learn regularly? Does that get boring? I try to learn regularly and I get so bored....I am already doing art 8-10 hours a day. Watching an educational art video on top of that sounds like a drag to me. It also irritates me because I barely have time to apply the lessons I am learning because of my long work schedule....anyways would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Hi Reid, those are some great questions! Do I ever get bored of art? Not very often at all, but I do remember one time where I felt like I’m not drawing anything new. I felt like everything I was drawing, I already did this before in a different version. The way I got out of it was I took a class. Learned how they thought and practiced it, and that got me out of my funk because I started to do art that was different than what I did previously. Do I ever get bored of learning? No but that’s only because I try to make excuses for learning by making it part of my job. For example, somebody made a new class on Schoolism so I need to watch that class and give my feedback. Or I am conducting workshops And events where there’s all sorts of things I can learn all around me. Also, I try to learn things that I am truly truly passionate about. If you do all these things, then you’ll never be bored of learning. You’ll love it.
AR is highly underrated. It's SUPER practical compared to VR. I think it's the future tbh. You can live in a digital world overlaid on reality. People already do it with phones.
I always thought art size as a status symbol I live in a small house with small rooms but if I lived in a giant castle with giant rooms then I could have bigger stuff in it.
Limitations have always existed for commercial art, you can't create huge paintings for a children's book for example. I actually like the standardized sizes for internet posting, it takes the guesswork out of what size you have to draw something. I don't think you should create art with likes in mind. If you want to create epic horizontal paintings you should do it, and direct people to a site that showcases your painting at the correct size.
it certainly doesn’t mean that you can’t do some really amazing and successful, horizontal epic paintings. It’s just harder to do if your goal is to get as many views (or likes) as possible. However, on the other hand, it’s important to think about why we would want those likes in the first place. Lol.
This has nothing to do with anything but sometimes I want to slap the phone out of people's hand, especially those that refuse to look up. 'Ho ho', I tell myself, 'I've found a new place to store my brushes', when I see those people. Anyhoo, the Sphere looks amazing, but at $400 a seat it's gonna be low on my priority list right now. Got phones to slap first.
This is an awful advise, sorry. Art is not suppose to be restricted by the frame. You should never confine with the limitation of this new social platform limitations, unless you are aiming just for clicks and more followers. Even then, there is so many great artist and great art who have many followers and not doing this and they produce art no matter of the social media frames and colours. As an artist you are suppose to make your art whatever it takes to convey your idea and style in the best way. We like to see good movies on the big screens in the theatres. They are not made for the tiny smart phones even the first information about them we get on our tiny phones via social media, but then we go to cinema. If your social media page is your only outlet and only goal to show your art maybe this is a good advice for you after all, but if you want to step out to other possibilities don't bother with the Instagram frames. You can always find the way to present your art and circumvent its limitations.
I worked hard on this thumbnail 😅
😂
You nailed the expression 😂
And it paid off
Hi, thanks for the video. with all due respect I do not agree 100% but it is something to think about. As a traditional artist, I think we should never let anything limit us or how we want to express ourselves, we as artists should stay true to ourselves & paint however we think communicates our thoughts, feelings or messages best. Having said that, I think digital artists would find your idea easier to apply most of the time (I may be wrong) or if they are creating art just for followers and likes. Back to traditional artists, we also have clients that need paintings to fit specific spaces in their homes. We can't all have a one size fit all depending on social media platforms ratios 😅 Limiting ourselves in this way is very stressful, social media in itself is already a stressful thing to a lot of artists, restricting our art like that is not healthy. Also this is like saying all artists who work on very large scales are doomed on social media. I know as artists we get our validations from likes & followers, I mean this is how we know our art is good or bad, but we should never let social media control us in that way. There's always a way, like making videos or pictures of the work from many angles, and a good artist will get his likes & followers no matter what size his art is. There are many artists on social media not confining themselves with these limitations who are successful & get a lot of viewing & exposure. But again, maybe this would work for some people if they are making art for social media purposes or as a hobby and want likes & shares.
Oh, Bobby, your bits of advice are so unique, it's kind of refreshing. You never know what knowledge will hit you next, except that it'll be mind-blowing!
Love it! being conditioned by social media style I have mostly produce vertical art, but I love to create pieces full of little details that most of the time you don't get to see unless you start paying attention, I have been asked even why bother on those details if most of the people won't even notice them? and I always answer that I know they are there and when someone tells me that they notice too it makes me incredibly happy, because they are paying attention, quick to read art is good in some contexts but limits what we create and it will only work against our development as artists; so after a long time I'm working on a horizontal piece, with of course lots of details, and when I post it I'll do it in sections too for others to get to see it in more detail, I guess we need to sort of figure the best way to make the work we want to do and still being able to take advantage of our social channels. Loved that you talked about it Bobby keep it up!
I don't know how many times I said "That's what she said" in my head. 😂
Awesome video. I've never thought about the way art is seen on social media like that. The instagram frame on a small screen does take away from the impact a landscape drawing could have. However, i did notice when making art to post on Instagram, it can be challenging when creating that frame first then the art. It feels less restrictive when there isnt a frame. It keeps my mind clear to create art first then frame it afterwards.
No boundaries should be the way, but i feel there may be a skill in creating in a limited space successful. 🤔
There’s skills involved in just about everything if you’re trying to reach, the highest levels…
This is very true. Social media reduces the size and therefore the quality of the viewer experience. It's not the same. That's why I always post my work to my website as well as instagram. The scale of my pieces which are usually horizontal can be seen best in my portfolio website where I have full control over how big or small I want my 3d art to be displayed. Great video Bobby!
That's a grea taket! because I never really thought about the framing of my paintings up until I worked for some time as a graphic designer for social media, and literally everything was about creating the designs within a very specific frame. It really affects your thinking about how you want to display your art
You’re spot on, Bobby! I’ve noticed the same for movies now being framed more for eventual streaming on TVs than to be projected in theaters. There’s less grandeur but maybe more intimacy and tension. AR and VR will hopefully remove the restraints on scale in the future but they will have their own challenges.
Here’s to hoping! I think the future can be very cool
As always, great video! About the size and the lost detail on the art, I never really think about it, I subconsciously rely on the fact that, the viewer can zoom in, if he is interested, and see the "amazing detail" Also I notice, I am fighting the frame all the time, I dont want to play by the rules, but it is true what you have said, people see everything thru their phones, and planning your art with that in mind, you can only benefit from it.
PS: Long time fan, and idk, if I am bias but, I kind a wish your videos to be longer, they are great! but what do I know, I am too lazy to do Ytube :D
This hits nail on why I've been unhappy with the recent internet platforms. I like to make art big and also make it intentional to where it should be displayed. It's often also the arguing point with other people because they feel I'm lazy for not making accounts of every single social platform (though there are other reasons to it also than just display, but the display is a very big part of it). So long as I get work and get to do what I love to do I'm not overly worried about a mass of followers.
This is probably a big factor to why I've taken a new interest in oil painting because I can paint on a big canvas and it feels amazing.
Thank you for the video.
I kinda of want to do an expression study of this haha! Cant wait for the video!
hahaha... that'd be funny to see.
Super interesting! I think Instagram has made my appreciation for real art grow, especially larger pieces and murals.
absolutely! me too!
aways really thoughtfull. thanks for sharing !
Thank you. You inspired my thinking to go beyond the frame. I once heard a definition of Art. "Art is whatever the artist chooses to frame" (I dont know who said it). I have been thinking about the size of my artwork. Feeling that small paintings are not considered to be real "art". They are not valued by most people. They are hard to see when hung up & a whole list of other limiting false beliefs /excuses. Although I do love to do large size paintings, being able to stand up and get my whole body into the action-mind- body spirit, For many reasons I am physically unable to do the large. Space to set up, health issues.... So I have been wanting to do smaller sized art. But limiting thoughts like: that won't count. it's not "real art" . You can't hang it up nobody but me would see it.
So again thank you. I will break free of limiting myself by judging size. In one artist magazine many years ago I read that one artist won awards for his paintings on the head of a pin, using super magnifier or microscope and the brush was the size of 1 or 2 hairs. If I remember correctly he was painting detailed landscapes.
this is an amazing title, i clicked right away and i have never watched your stuff before. this video got me thinking about how it could be cool to show my art in a vr exhibit setting someday
It could be absolutely mind blowing. The possibilities are honestly kind of endless
I've heard that the Sphere is coming to a bunch of cities in the next few years. It's cool for LV, but it'll be an eyesore in a lot of cities.
This is a great insightful video Bobby!
thanks so much!
No thank you Bobby! You've been a guiding light of my career for well over 10 years :) It all started with The Perfect Bait and then Schoolism and then Workshops that a miss dearly. You are a huge inspiration @@chiu-on-this
I don't even think art is meant to be on any social media, it just ruins it and deters motivation, and makes it super hard for industry people to find each other and get hired. It should be on specialized websites, like artstation and presented the right way.
interesting thought. I appreciate your opinion
My very long opinion:
This sort of thing is happening to comics/manga/webcomics. Manga was traditionally consumed through magazines and books but with social media and the internet (and phones) the way people are consuming comics is changing. Reading a comic/manga through a phone can be cumbersome because the panels are small and the text even smaller, often requiring the viewer to zoom, pan, and scroll to view an entire page. I believe web comics evolved into using long strips where comics are now framing their comics into full vertical panels, perfect for the "frame" it's intended for i.e. a phone.
Traditional comics/manga have also framed their work perfect for the frame they intended. A physical book meant to be on shelves dictated how artists could portray their work, as time goes on the phone is also dictating it the same way, a canvas or a book or a poster were just the limitations artists had to deal with because it was the most effective way to deliver art at the time. I don't think this evolution is limiting the scope of the artist's expression because artists were already being "limited" in traditional media. On the contrary, the bounds of what a comic can be were confined by traditional media, now new technology challenges those limitations (by providing different limitations) and what we end up with is a new perspective on what a comic is or can be. The most important aspect is the artist's vision, not the vessel used to deliver it, if people get too hung up on the vessel itself then we end up glorifying the vessel before the artist, in the best case you get a new genre of aesthetics (comic style, noire, pixel, retro) enjoyed for the limitations of the vessel itself, in the worst case we validate artists conforming to those limitations and we end up with standards and traditions that are too difficult to break.
The way that social media itself dictates how artists respond is also undeniable. For example, Twitter has a 4 picture limit for each Tweet, for comic/manga artists that want to tell a story this was a bit of a change. They want social media presence (followers, likes, views) but their chapters could only be 4 pages long to not span over multiple tweets and risk diluting the metrics, so they adapted and now 4 page chapters became widespread. There weren't other external creative factors limiting these artists other than Twitter's 4 picture limit, so you could say that Twitter itself provided the frame for viewers to consume media like comics/manga in the same way that a smartphone does. In the same way that a 4 panel comic was digestible on a newspaper and thus became a standard, a 4 page comic on an artist's twitter emerged the same way.
Whether it's a picture frame, a phone, a monitor, a newspaper, a book, a video, or a social media website, the only constant is the person's need to express to others, whether it's by speaking, playing, drawing, etc. If the "frame" is changing that means the way people interact with others is also changing.
I appreciate your thoughts! There's a lot to digest here.
It's funny because I never paid attention when it came to my canvas sizes in the past since I was on DA. But switching to Instagram I've realized that most of my picture was being "cut out" because of Instagram's size restrictions. Like you said you can zoom in, but until this year I didn't even know you could do that lol Thankfully I found a canvas size that fits my work and I've been using it off and on for the past year. That being said, it does feel limiting at times when I want to have a piece that is not so... "square." However, that's what other platforms are for. I just make sure that on Instagram the main focus will be within that "square" lol
Also, that Sphere looks amazing! I didn't know it exsisted but WOW... would love to go inside that one day haha
and that's why social media is killing art, we have more art than ever but the quality work is getting hide behind a wall of trash and small canvas
well, hopefully not :)
I think it's not that you can't appreciate a painting on a cell phone, but when given the space, it signifies to the person also, this is important and worth paying attention to. When people go to museums they linger often and give the paintings more time in general to have their full impact also.
great point
Always appreciate hearing your thoughts on the current state of the "art industry"
thank you so much!
I kinda like the Mona Lisa in the futuristic frame 😂
not bad right? lol...
Hi Bobby. I was wondering do you ever get bored of doing art? Like wonder what if I did something else? It feels so daunting to think of all the work I need to do sometimes to reach my goals. I am already a working artist and doing some projects that I'm sure many students would kill for but I am not happy because I am doing other peoples work. I feel burnt out and I feel like a hamster running on a wheel. I need to keep running to stay at the top of my game and when I am done with my 9-5 I can finally work on the art I enjoy. The art that will hopefully one day land me the job I want. You say you like to learn regularly? Does that get boring? I try to learn regularly and I get so bored....I am already doing art 8-10 hours a day. Watching an educational art video on top of that sounds like a drag to me. It also irritates me because I barely have time to apply the lessons I am learning because of my long work schedule....anyways would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Hi Reid, those are some great questions! Do I ever get bored of art? Not very often at all, but I do remember one time where I felt like I’m not drawing anything new. I felt like everything I was drawing, I already did this before in a different version. The way I got out of it was I took a class. Learned how they thought and practiced it, and that got me out of my funk because I started to do art that was different than what I did previously. Do I ever get bored of learning? No but that’s only because I try to make excuses for learning by making it part of my job. For example, somebody made a new class on Schoolism so I need to watch that class and give my feedback. Or I am conducting workshops And events where there’s all sorts of things I can learn all around me. Also, I try to learn things that I am truly truly passionate about. If you do all these things, then you’ll never be bored of learning. You’ll love it.
i would rather stop doing art then to limit myself to how social media presents it and doing it then just this way.
Great insight. How often are you cropping 2.39:1 to 1:1 for the gram? lol
AR is highly underrated. It's SUPER practical compared to VR. I think it's the future tbh. You can live in a digital world overlaid on reality. People already do it with phones.
yes. agreed. the potential is pretty much unlimited
Yes I think so too! That's why I'm learning how to do AR :3
I always thought art size as a status symbol I live in a small house with small rooms but if I lived in a giant castle with giant rooms then I could have bigger stuff in it.
I’m sure there’s validity to that thought
Limitations have always existed for commercial art, you can't create huge paintings for a children's book for example. I actually like the standardized sizes for internet posting, it takes the guesswork out of what size you have to draw something. I don't think you should create art with likes in mind. If you want to create epic horizontal paintings you should do it, and direct people to a site that showcases your painting at the correct size.
it certainly doesn’t mean that you can’t do some really amazing and successful, horizontal epic paintings. It’s just harder to do if your goal is to get as many views (or likes) as possible. However, on the other hand, it’s important to think about why we would want those likes in the first place. Lol.
This thumbnail, hahaha. Way to make an eye catching expression without making the overdone open-mouth "shock face."
I aim to please 😂
For the algorithm
If I wouldn't believe, what's the point of watching the vid???
This has nothing to do with anything but sometimes I want to slap the phone out of people's hand, especially those that refuse to look up. 'Ho ho', I tell myself, 'I've found a new place to store my brushes', when I see those people.
Anyhoo, the Sphere looks amazing, but at $400 a seat it's gonna be low on my priority list right now. Got phones to slap first.
$400 plus travel and hotel too!!
This is an awful advise, sorry. Art is not suppose to be restricted by the frame. You should never confine with the limitation of this new social platform limitations, unless you are aiming just for clicks and more followers. Even then, there is so many great artist and great art who have many followers and not doing this and they produce art no matter of the social media frames and colours. As an artist you are suppose to make your art whatever it takes to convey your idea and style in the best way. We like to see good movies on the big screens in the theatres. They are not made for the tiny smart phones even the first information about them we get on our tiny phones via social media, but then we go to cinema. If your social media page is your only outlet and only goal to show your art maybe this is a good advice for you after all, but if you want to step out to other possibilities don't bother with the Instagram frames. You can always find the way to present your art and circumvent its limitations.
Thanks for your comment. I certainly don’t expect everybody to agree with me. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
@@chiu-on-this Thanks. Cheers!
premieres are cringe. especially for this