That's not how it works, if you dropped the egg on your head from a similar distance it would break, so this stuff is reacting the same as your head, so it's doing no dampening. The Tea towel absorbs some of the impact and distributes it over a greater area, therefore it protects the egg. I don't know if you've had any hands on experience with D30 ghost in particular but there's no soft when neutral, hard under impact going on with this stuff. It's just hard all the time, you can't squish it if you squeeze it slowly, it feels the same no matter what. The older stuff from what I've seen does change. You say it's meant to go hard and reflect the impact back off itself, if that were accurate, why would they also use the ball bearing demonstration where the ball bearing doesn't bounce back when with the competitor brand it does (conveniently this is only ever done on a random bit of orange foam, never an actual D30 final product). Surely if it goes hard on impact, the ball bearing should bounce off? They have totally paradoxical marketing and everyone seems to be buying into it, only one can be true! Either it goes hard and then the ball should bounce. Or it's soft and the ball/egg should have the force absorbed and not bounce/break. They've brainwashed us all 🤣🤣
@@andytrace It's not much to do with absorbing the impact, it's all about distributing the force across a larger area to reduce the impact. In your egg and head example, if you were to drop an egg onto your head you'd feel a heavy knock on a very small point of your head. If your head was covered in D3O you'd feel a lighter knock across a greater area. This armour will absorb very little energy but it will transmit the force over a much larger area than if there were no pad there, which will protect your body since you'll be receiving a much lighter knock across a greater area rather than a big knock in a small area, which is what breaks bones. Armour pads (even the older style ones) aren't thick enough to absorb much of the impact, unlike things such as airbags, so all armour pads are relying on that impact dispersion much more than they are on absorbing the impact. The viscoelastic nature of the old D3O was much more for comfort than it was for impact absorption.
@@Dylzhaar have you tried this new ghost stuff? I sent it back and bought some used Knox micro whatever stuff and the difference is black and white, yes it's bulkier, but I'd happily have someone hit me across the knees with a 2x4 bit of wood, whereas with the ghost, I wouldn't even let someone hit me with a wooden spoon with the same force. Trust me, it might perform well in non human testing, but ghost does absolutely nothing to project you from pain and that's surely what you want it for. Pain = damage, would hate to see anyone involved in an accident with ghost, as they'd soon be one.
@@Dylzhaar its actually all about absorbing impact AND dispersing it across the surface. Its used to make body armour and inside of football helmets. So you are both right
@@wildcatrewind yeah, the point that the object that hits it is the one receiving all the energy, so if the egg was covered in it or would not break and the table would absorb all the kinetic energy from the fall
Put D30 ghost knee pads in, drop to your knees from stranding onto concrete, then when you've recovered from your knee injury, come back here and thank me for saving you from hitting the ground with it at 70mph. Trust me, this stuff offers zero impact protection. The hard shell of the helmet does it's job because it protects the soft cushions inside the helmet and it's the soft cushions that actually stop your head from hurting. If you put the hard shell directly onto your head, it's not doing anything to absorb the impact and you'll end up with a sore head. This D30 ghost is hard plastic, but there's no cushion behind it, so it's like wearing a hard helmet without the polystyrene foam and cushions. Trust me, try the drop knee experiment, you'll regret it haha
@AndyTrace hold up bro. You found the superior material. I think you should market that dirty dish rag as knee pads. They can absorb impacts way better than this piece of crap. What brand of rag is that? There's money to be made here
@@naturallyinsane9101 Honestly, for impact protection, I would rather have a tea towel rolled up over my knees compared to D30 Ghost, hand on hear. For slow speed around town, the tea towel will protect you more. For sliding at 70mph, sure the Ghost will do a better job, it's going to save your skin, but it'll smash your knee cap. I'm going to assume you don't own D30 ghost so are talking with no experience of the product?
Put the egg under the armor and drop something on it versus the towel.... This video is seeing the armor do what its supposed to do from outside forces, the harder you hit the outside the harder it gets. BTY D30 is used by Stuntpeople in movies.
That's the thing, it doesn't get harder the harder you hit it, it's rock solid in its neutral state, have you ever touched D30 ghost in person? It's only flexible because of the mesh formation. If it was one solid piece of D30, it would be pretty rigid and hard. Let's say you're right and the experiment is flawed and therefore, the egg represents the exterior forces and the counter top is my knee. Do we really think an egg falling from a few inches is enough 'force' to change the molecular structure of D30 into its 'solid' form? The marketing just completely contradicts itself. I've hot myself with a bit of wood with D30 between me and it and i've done it with other brands and I know sure as anything which I'd want between me and the ground or a car and D30 isn't it. Another test is to drop to your knees on concrete with Ghost D30 in your knee pads and see how you get on. I can do it all day with my current other brand of pads, I didn't dare try with the ghost, the little bit of wood hurt enough. if you have ghost, try the falling to your knees test and let me know how you get on.
@@bryang3382 So you're not willing to drop to your knees from standing to test it? Please do link me to any lab tests featuring actual D30 products. I've not seen any, they all use the goo, which is in no way like the finished products, or huge sheets of the stuff, again much thicker than the finished product.
If anyone comes across this the test is actually about how much force is transmitted to the table. The egg is the impact. This person needs to wrap the egg in skin tight D30 to get the test he wants.
The egg is the impact, but it's so low impact that the D30 should be soft and absorb the impact gently as per the marketing. If the egg was travelling at high speed then of course we would want the egg to smash. Do you own ghost? If so, put your knee pads on and drop to your knees from standing onto concrete and then tell me if you think this is a good product ;)
@@andytrace So dropping to my knees is a legit test. The egg thing you're stuck on is not how the D30 is used. You see the difference right? You're so close. Actually , good analogy here , remember that egg drop experiment in school? Why did you wrap the egg in a tight protective shell? (The good test) vs Drop the egg onto that same protective shell we wrapped it in? (The bad test, what youre trying to show.) Shouldn't it absorb the impact? It doesn't work both ways. Logically I think you'll be fine, since you understand how to wear protective gear. With your knee test example. It'd be like someone buying a bike helmet , placing the helmet on the ground and riding their bike and crashing into the helmet head first. The helmet won't dissipate the forces in the way you'd expect. But if you wear it and crash it'll take the force and disperse it in a way that hurts you head less than if you pool dived into it.
@@smoofwah3552 so the reason I did this experiment was because I saw someone else doing it exactly as I was and they were saying "look how absorbant the D30 is" but when I got mine, it seemed rock hard, which is why I did the test in the first place. I understand that my experiment isn't a good one for a high impact crash where we're trying to protect the egg, however, D30 is advertised as this soft squishy material that absorbs impact and when that impact becomes too hard and fast, it turns into a protective hard shell. However, with ghost at least, that's absolutely not what happens, it's hard at resting phase, hence the egg crack. If I dropped the egg onto my current non D30 inserts, the egg wouldn't crack. Because they are squishy and absorb the impact. The knee drop is the best test I can think of to mimic a real, slow speed accident and I couldn't drop to my knees with the D30, so I'd hate to think what the pain would be long hitting something at 40+ mph. I don't doubt these slide very well like leather, but for impact, they perform much much worse than cheap pads
@@andytrace Look, sorry to break it to you but the substance you got was the non-newtonian fluid inside a solid object. The D3O is neither liquid or solid its something in the middle. If you went to a convention and D3O was there you will see that it has a putty like consistency without being tampered and then hardens with hit with ANY force hence your egg breaking from it protecting the table.
I don't know but that seems to do exactly the thing it advertises. It is supposed to get hard when struck with a force. So when you drop the egg you should expect it to hit something hard and therefore break.
It's supposed to get hard with 'hard impact'. Do you think an egg hitting it from 6 inches should be enough to activate it going hard? The reality is with this ghost D30 is that it's always hard, there's no change in consistency, that's all marketing BS. Essentially, this stuff is like wearing a hard helmet, without any padding on the inside. It'll protect you from sliding and grazes, but in terms of impact, there's ZERO cushioning, all the impact is transferred through the material, hence the egg cracks. If it was a helmet, you'd want the outside of the helmet to break the egg, but the inside to spread the impact enough to not break the egg. As the D30 is just one layer, you want it to cushion the impact, which is exactly how all other protection works. This is like putting hard plastic pads in without the cushioning.
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
I've heard more ppl complain about this. D3o is the best when it comes to making protection more comfy because it's flexible.. but impacts still feel like impacts (but slightly less) if you don't have any cushioning around the d3o (my interpretation from watching some videos) I'm personally looking for the most comfy body armour for xc mtb racing..
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
Some people have tried to point out to you already your silly test is flawed, listen to them. This stuff protects you from impact, outside force. You used an egg, lol!
It doesn't protect from outside force, I've worn it, it doesn't work. If you own ghost, put it on and drop to your knees from standing onto concrete. Trust me, you'll be buying a different type of protection after that, I requested every negative comment on here who's said my test is flawed to try it, not one has reported back to tell me they could do it comfortably. This stuff doesn't work for intact protection.
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
you clearly missed the point of how body armor works. The idea of body armor is to distribute the force applied in a single point of impact across a wide area. When a force is concentrated in a single point, damage to a person is concentrated in that point so a persons internals would shatter or pierce. The whole idea of body armor is to take that concentrated force and disperse it so you are still taking damage but when its over a wide area your body can withstand it. By you dropping an egg on a piece of body armor you proove that that body armor is effective in dispersing the energy across it self and even reverting some of it back at the projectile impacting it in a singular point. Not trying to be rude or something, but this is basic physics that most people learn at school at 7th grade. Me and my buddies (engineers) were watching this video trying to learn about D30 and were expecting an actual argument why D30 is bad. Yet when we saw the end of it all of us started to laugh. But hey, next time do us a favor, drop that egg on some Steel Plate Armor, see what happens. Apparently knights should have worn Tea towels :D
You're right, the armour is meant to distribute the forces, however, D30 doesn't. If it did, the egg wouldn't crack, it would land safely, whilst all the forces was absorbed by the D30. instead, the D30 accepts none of the impact and bounces the force right back at the egg, hence it breaks. Imagine dropping the egg into water, it would cause a ripple effect across the surface of the water, that's the force being transferred away from the egg. Eventually a little drop of water would pop up from the centre where the egg entered which is the force coming back where it couldn't re-distribute the impact fully. Drop it from higher into the water and that drop of water in the centre becomes bigger and goes higher, showing more impact transferring back towards the egg. Drop from high enough and the egg might break on impact. So if the egg breaks on impact from hitting something from 6 inches away (like it does with the D30), clearly it has very little impact absorption. The whole point of armour is to have impact absorption. People keep using the helmet analogy, however a helmet has both a hard external shell and a soft padded inner. This D30 doesn't, it's one material throughout and it's a hard material, not a soft one. Would you want to wear a helmet without any padding on the inside, that's what this D30 is! The hard shell, with zero impact absorption. Your knights in shining armour is a ridiculous comparison, what other armour for motorcyclists have you seen that's made of metal, or similar? The knights wore metal armour to protect from sharp objects and high impacts on tiny areas, it's more from puncture injuries. But guess what they wore under their armour? PADDING! To protect from the impact, the didn't just put on metal armour over a tshirt! They required padding from the impact and the hard protection to protect against sharp objects breaking through their clothes and skin. There's a reason why all other motorcycle body armour is soft. There's a reason why stab vests and bullet proof vests aren't the same. There's a reason why motorcylists aren't wearing steel plate armour, they're all protecting against different things. It's kind of embarrassing that engineers don't understand the differences! All been brainwashed by the D30 marketing!
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
This is a stupid test that people keep doing. If D3O goes hard upon impact, then dropping an egg on it will obviously make the egg break because the D3O will basically be a solid surface as the egg hits it
You've drank the Kool aid in their marketing! You think a tiny egg hitting it from 6 inches away is enough force to change its consistency? No, it's hard when not impacted, it's hard when impacted. The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. Would you do that? Maybe you would if D30 lied to you about it, but any sane person wouldn't.
You've drank the Kool aid in their marketing! You think a tiny egg hitting it from 6 inches away is enough forces to change its consistency? No, it's hard when not impacted, it's hard when impacted. The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
Do you think that putting the egg under the armour and dropping the worktop on it would leave the egg intact? This is a shock absorption test, apparently under not much impact, the D30 ghost is soft, however this shows the egg breaking, under just the force of it falling a few inches, thus showing the ghost is not soft at all under this light impact. Do you own D30 ghost? i challenge you to drop to your knees from standing onto concrete whilst wearing your pads and see if you're willing to do it more than once.
@@andytrace the egg is too weak to observe the armors intended use, as it doesn’t have enough surface area to distribute across, and the egg shell in general is just a whole lot more fragile and wouldn’t support the weight of the “worktop” on its own ALSO very bad of you to use literally the same egg you dropped several times before on the armor, that’s not an equal test scenario, terrible reasoning behind your claim
@@marianandnorbert off camera I did this with the first drop of the egg on the D30 but every time it smashed, so couldn't do it the other way around to make it a fair experiment. I guess I could have dropped a fresh egg onto it after, but there's no way of proving I hadn't tampered with the second egg. Here you can see the specific egg being used can handle a small tumble as it does a few times before the D30 is involved. Anyway, don't take my word for it, put your D30 ghost jeans on and drop to your knees from standing onto concrete as fast as you can. Once you've done that, ask yourself if you fancy doing it again right away, I can guarantee you that you won't want to. In my other brand knee pads I could drop to my knees as many times as I want without feeling any pain from the impact. Also you say the egg is too weak? But under low pressure, the D30 is advertised to be soft and maluable like their famous goo they use in all the adverts, so it should cushion the impact and protect the egg from it's fall. But anyway, do the knee test and you'll see, I've had many people tell me I'm wrong but not one of them has done the knee drop test and come back to tell me I'm still wrong. Either they're too scared to try it because they know it will hurt, or they did it and it hurt. Or they don't own D30 ghost and so are arguing against me based on the marketing they've read and no real life experience of the product.
Imagine the amount of time you'd have saved arguing with internet experts if you just redid the test. I'd have used different eggs for starters + used both sides of the Ghost + put the egg perhaps underneath the d3o, not dropped one on top of a d3o on a table + used a control, like a another protection pad say a sas tec or whatever just to have a frame of reference
Unfortunately I no longer have the product because after testing it in many ways I decided it was garbage for what I needed. I am tempted to buy it again just to do some more tests and then return it. Problem with using different eggs is that people will say they've been tampered with etc so you can never win. I'll have to get something more scientific to prove objectively what I'm seeing and to talk to the camera you explain why changing sides of the pad will make no difference and that these pads aren't helmets and the helmet comparison is ludicrous as is the "it gets hard on impact" nonsense 🤦🏼♂️. I also excluded other products because I didn't want it to look like I was trying to promote another brand and was just being honest, alas that didn't help people being suspicious. Honestly can't believe the responses this video has had 😂. Again putting the egg under won't prove anything, the egg will be against a hard surface so will break no matter what it's protecting it, unless the protection is creating a seal around the edge stopping the forces from getting through, but again that's not what the test was. It was an impact absorbtion test. If I was testing the stiffness of a mattress, you wouldn't suggest putting the mattress on top of you as you lay on the floor haha. I appreciate your response, especially as it's not angry and totally dumb like the others, so apologies if my tone isn't that good, Im just bemused by how many responses I get from people who clearly don't understand what this test is demonstrating. More tests are required of course, but that doesn't change the results of this one and invalidate what this one reveals. Ghost D30 is made from HARD 3D printed plastic and all the D30 marketing that speaks of goo turning hard and all that is utter BS and until people experience it for themselves first hand and actually think with their own critical minds, ignoring all the marketing and look at what's actually Infront of them, they're going to be very hard to convince otherwise.
@@andytrace i agree the comments here are borderline,but you need to appreciate you're going against CE Level 2 standards here, with a not so torough test. Of course you'll have the comments youve seen.. I'd highly advise redoing the test, and either shut people up, or realise the product is not too bad. Either way youre winning.
@@Automan9 looking at five9's video it looks like the certs these days are only measuring slidability, rather than impact protection. Maybe for good reason, but I only ride up to 45mph most of the time, so I don't need to slide much, I just want my bones to not smash. The D30 ghost I'm certain slides very very well, hence passing the certification, I'm sure riding at 70mph and coming off it will stop you from losing a lot of skin because it's made of very hard plastic which I'm sure will take a long time to grind down. I'm just certain you'll also break the bone it's covering when it does it. Again, that's why I call it a scam because it's not a soft material that goes hard on impact and that's 100% of D30s marketing. It doesn't matter how many times I say it, for some reason it never sinks in. They have lied to us all and used clever techniques to trick us into believing this is a magic material, but it's not. It's just plastic that's coloured the same as the magical goo, which I'm sure is far too costly to mass produce. No amount of tests will prove anything to anyone because they don't want to believe they've been tricked and lied to and worse, gullible enough to believe it. So they'd rather question me than consider the fact that they've been duped. Like I say, until they've experienced it in person and can look at it 100% objectively, they will never believe me.
You joke, but try this test for me, drop to your knees whilst standing still on solid concrete with your D30 Ghost armour in and tell me how it feels. I'm willing to bet a lot of money you won't volunteer to do it again right after. Whereas with my current armour, I'd happily do it over and over. I believe the ghost will provide very good slide protection, but it provides very little impact protection, try my test and prove me wrong.
A chopping board would also protect the table, but would you wear chopping boards as body armour? No! Why? Because all the impact would transfer through the chopping board and into your body. For protection, you need impact absorption, which is why every other type of body armour has something soft in the design. The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. Would you do that?
This ghost stuff isn't soft until hit. It's just hard constantly, it's basically 3D printed plastic, printed onto a lightweight lycra type material. What's happened here is you've been lied to in the marketing and see what they want you to see, not the physical reality. Think about it, this stuff is designed to be impact protection at 70mph, do you really think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough "impact" to cause the state of the material to change? Having hit myself with a bit of wood with this armour in and other armours, I can confirm D30 ghost has very little to no impact protection. Skin abrasion from sliding on tarmac, I'm sure it's great, but for impact absorbtion it's, as the experiment shows, worse than a folded up dish cloth. The reason I made this video was to help consumers see that marketing isn't always honest and it's scary how many people defend the company who have lied to them. Truly worrying.
@@andytrace Interesting - I am scratching my head reading the many comments -The test the D30 is subjected to when seeking CE approval level 1 and 2 are based on how much force is transmitted through - too much and the product fails the test???? I have a slight issue with the fact you appear to drop the same egg through out - has it not sustained fractures from the tea towel drop???
@@pamvarnsverry2444 I'll admit it's definitely not a scientific test and yes maybe using a different egg for each drop would have been better and a best of 3 drops even more so. I just did it as a bit of fun when I saw another video showing the same experiment with an older version of D30 that actually caught the egg safely. My experiment is certainly flawed, but not in the way most comments claim, like when they say you want the armour to harden, because firstly, hardening without padding underneath, is no good, it's the padding that keeps your bones from breaking. As I've said before, a helmet without the padding isn't going to save anything but your skin, bones and brain will still break. This stuff is hard plastic, it's 3D printed. There's zero orange goo here, the orange is just tricking everyone's brains into thinking it's the same substance but it's not. It's very very firm and it doesn't change. I don't know about the legislation but I would assume slide ability might be what got this product the certification. This product translates almost all of the force that hits it through to the object below.
@@andytrace Thanks for the response - czcams.com/video/fUGmF395vps/video.html This link is to Motolegends might help - It is my understanding that EN1621 - 1 relates to arm and knee and the test is only for "impact" not abrasion resistance ( that is for fabrics) - I do wonder if you are suggesting this is not D30 armour but rather a fake???? You could also check out F9 or Bennetts for more info. It was very entertaining but it sounds like you are concerned, ride safe
If you're looking for something that will protect your knees from impact at low speeds, say riding around the city, or falling off your bike when stood still, then from this experiment and others I did, like hitting myself with planks of wood, the tea towel actually provided more impact resistance than the D30 ghost, which is like putting just the outside of a helmet against your bones, without the soft cushioning of the inside of the helmet. It translates almost all of the impact through it as it's so hard and rigid. At very high speeds and sliding, I can't tell you which would be better as I've not tested it.
In short, D3o protected the table, better than the towel. How to properly redo this experiment, put tinfoil under the towel repeat drop process. Remove towel only! And look at the dents left in the tinfoil. Put tinfoil under D3o, drop 12 eggs. Look at the smoothness of the foil sheet.
This is an impact absorption test, it doesn't matter which side of the D30 or towel it hits as they're both the same consistency throughout. If it was a helmet, then you'd want the outside of the helmet to smash the egg as it needs to be firm for protection, however, you'd want the inside of the helmet to cushion the impact and keep the egg intact, agree? As D30 doesn't have an inside and an outside layer, it doesn't matter which side you test, you want both sides to cushion the impact. Because if it's not cushioning anything, it's transferring all the impact through itself and into your body. Using the helmet analogy again, if you had just the hard shell, without the soft inner padding, then a helmet wouldn't protect you much at all, right? Therefore, this egg cracking demonstrates that it's not cushioning the impact and therefore, any impact is going straight into your knees, hips etc. This has been proven when I hit myself with a plank of wood with the pads in and it REALY hurt, unlike when i did the same with my Knox pads.
It doesn't harden when the egg hits it, it's already really hard to the touch at its neutral state. It's just plastic, no magic goo here. Also D30 often show an experiment of the falling ball bearing that doesn't bounce back, isn't that because it's soft and absorbs the impact, whereas on the competitor product, the ball bounces back up into the air. If the D30 is meant to go hard on impact, then surely the ball bearing should bounce high. It's total paradoxical marketing, one minute saying it's soft and absorbs impact, the next saying it goes hard.... Can anyone explain that? 😅
@@andytrace the point of the product isn’t to protect the thing hitong it it’s to protect what’s underneath it. When u used the tea towel you heard a loud noise but it’s not there with d30
@@hainesdougherty3517 hahaha I'm not really bothered about the noise it makes, I want anything hitting into my pads to slowed down and its impact not transferred to my bones! If you have D30 ghost knee pads, go stand on some concrete and mimic an accident by dropping to your knees as fast as you can, this egg experiment is admittedly not a great one, but do the knee drop one and you will learn all about impact protection, or the lack thereof that D30 Ghost has. I've not had a single person come back to me and tell me I'm wrong about it, perhaps because they're in too much pain to walk over to their keyboard after trying it lol
Why's everyone thinking I'm trying to fake something? I bought an expensive product, thought it was shit, sold with hugely misleading marketing and not fit for purpose so wanted help other consumers save their time and money in a demo I thought might be helpful. It's so strange how everyone's responses are acting like I'm lying to them or tricking them. The truth is that D30 have been lying to you all for years and you've all drank the Kool aid but rather than consider that, people are all out to disprove me in order to cover up the fact that they've bought into marketing BS.
Yep it is, to absorb impacts... Which it doesn't do. If I put a marble chopping board on the counter, the egg also would have broke, would you wear marble slabs as protection? No! If I put high density foam on the counter, the egg wouldn't have broken, would you use high density foam as protection, yes! The D30 is acting like the outside of a helmet, only issue is, a helmet has a lovely soft inner, for.... impact absorption. Unfortunately D30 doesn't have that lovely soft inner, so it's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding inside it. it's useless for impact absorption.
read my other comments, do the knee drop test, then come tell me I'm wrong, nobody has done the test and reported back yet... You could be the first, or the next person to have some very sore knees
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
You think putting the egg on the table, with the ghost on top and then hitting it with a hammer is going to help? If you have D30 ghost, put in your knee armour and drop to your knees as fast as you can onto concrete. I've done it with ghost and I've done it with another brand who I now wear when I ride. this ghost stuff has almost ZERO impact absorption, it's really hard plastic, not the squidgy, flexible product they market it as, in both resting and under pressure states, its HARD!
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it. It's nothing to do with my ego, it's just physics.
To show how it doesn't absorb impact. You need armour to redistribute the impact to soften the blow to your bones. This D30 doesn't do that. I also hit myself with a bit of wood, but of course my reaction would be subjective and untrustworthy. This method is a little more transparent, it shows even just a thin layer of tea towels absorbs the impact better than this rock hard plastic they call D30 Ghost.
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
@AndyTrace I'm sorry to break it to you but D30 absorbs force, not protects it from force, say you slam your knee into something and it has D30 on it, the D30 on your knee will absorb the force protecting YOU, if you attach d30 to a door and you slam your knee into it it will still hurt because the D30 will harden. Also it's a non newtonian fluid meaning it's not really supposed to follow the laws of physics
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
I'm not entirely sure if the ones defending the product are 13 Yo's or are really speaking the truths. I just found out about this material, and it's really hard to believe the commercial. It feels intuitively suspicious for me. There's very little information about this material in youtube that it makes me believe it's controversial.
The way this guy did it was wrong. The product did the right thing it protected the table. If you listen you here the egg hit the table on the tea towel but with the product you don’t hear a loud noise
@@hainesdougherty3517 It didn't;'t protect the table! The D30 transfers the impact from the egg, to the table, which has no impact absorption, and neither does the D30, so it reflects the impact back to the egg and it breaks. Like wearing a helmet, without the padding.
The only sane person in the comments! hello and thank you! they use this soft orange goo in the marketing and then sell you rock hard orange plastic and pretend it's the same stuff! People are so gullible it's worrying! To think these people can vote! Oh that's orange, that other thing is orange, must be the same thing! hahaha If it were, why would they use the orange goo, you'd just use the actual product in the demonstrations, but they NEVER do! Genius marketing, criminal marketing! I'm amazed there aren't more law suits after the product doesn't work. Would be interesting to see how many out of court settlements there are.
The only sane person in the comments! hello and thank you! they use this soft orange goo in the marketing and then sell you rock hard orange plastic and pretend it's the same stuff! People are so gullible it's worrying! To think these people can vote! Oh that's orange, that other thing is orange, must be the same thing! hahaha If it were, why would they use the orange goo, you'd just use the actual product in the demonstrations, but they NEVER do! Genius marketing, criminal marketing! I'm amazed there aren't more law suits after the product doesn't work. Would be interesting to see how many out of court settlements there are.
Lmao. You clearly dropped the egg on the counter next to the d30 and not on it, and even if you had actually hit the target, this would test how well the d30 protects the counter from the impact of the egg, not the other way around. So you’re right I guess, you are a big scam.
Clearly It landed on the D30. If I put a marble chopping board on the counter, the egg also would have broke, would you wear marble slabs as protection? No! If I put high density foam on the counter, the egg wouldn't have broken, would you use high density foam as protection, yes! The D30 is acting like the outside of a helmet, only issue is, a helmet has a lovely soft inner, for.... impact absorption. Unfortunately D30 doesn't have that lovely soft inner, so it's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding inside it. it's useless for impact absorption.
And why is that? This is a pretty good experiment to show how very little impact absorbtion the D30 ghost has. Do you own it? I dare you to put your knee pads in and drop to your knees on concrete and report back your findings. So far I've asked every critic on here to do this (check the comments, there's hundreds of you!) yet not a single person has come back to tell me they could do it! I can do it in my armour all day long. D30 ghost has been developed to protect your skin, not your bones and they've used deceptive marketing. I want to protect both my skin and bones when riding so this rock hard 3d printed plastic got sent back.
@@andytrace It's simply because you have no idea what you're doing, that's why. Your test is equivalent of crashing a car into a wall and checking for the damage on the wall. Now repeat that test and measure how much force got transmitted over to the table, because that's the only outcome that matters. You're trying to be all "scientific" here yet you used the same egg already dropped 3 times on the table to demonstrate how the armour is "useless". Not that it matters here anyway. You're right, there's hundreds of us, just noticed, so this tells me there's no point talking to you because you think you know best. Have a good day and I safe riding.
@@hovek1988 Have you seen Fort9's latest video about protective gear? Think he's a reliable source? Well his thoughts on the industry align with what I've been saying. This is to protect from skin grazes, not impact. And the marketing IS a scam because this stuff isn't soft and then goes hard, it's always hard. It's false marketing. And yes I do know best because I've had the product in my hands and in my riding gear and done lots of experiments (like the falling to the knees test). It's very very obvious that everyone criticising my process has never actually experienced the product (D30 ghost specifically) in real life, if they had, I'm confident that they'd have a very different perspective. My test was an impact absorbtion test and the really hard 3D printed plastic Ghost was shown to have very very little and acts more like a helmet without the internal cushioning, which is pretty much useless, for impact protection. For skin abrasion protection, I'm sure it's great, but D30 is sold as a soft material that redistributes impacts to a larger surface area on impact and this is a total fallacy. Thanks for backing out of the conversation because clearly you have made up your mind but can't actually articulate how I'm wrong. Your car crashing into a wall analogy doesn't make any sense without first stating if it's the car or the wall we're judging the impact dampening properties of. This is where you're all going wrong, you think the egg is the potential threat and by breaking the egg, the ghost has done it's job. But the experiment was to show how much dampening of the impact the materials are capable of as this is what's going to stop your bones from breaking.
@@jeremylopez2101watch it as an impact absorbtion of a pad test, not impact protection like a helmet and it should seem less satirical. Again, the reason it might feel like it is satire is because a dirty tea towel genuinely performed better in my tests as neutralising impact pressure and absorbing impact than the D30 ghost which I agree is crazy. Analysis is that the D30 ghost is made of pretty hard, 3D printed plastic, it's like wearing a helmet without the soft padding inside. It'll protect you from scrapes and scratches, but not from impact forces. Don't believe me, run your own tests.
@@andytrace Your stubbornness astounds me. Why are you so persistent? Did competitors pay you to post this? I'm not responding after this because you'll probably reply with another essay about how d30 ghost armour does nothing.
@@jeremylopez2101 I'm persistent because I fell for the marketing, realised it was all lies and so altruistically made a video to help my fellow bikers save their time and money. However, instead of people seeing that, they're all filled with ideas of conspiracy. I very purposely haven't mentioned any other brand during the video or my comments again to deter people making the conclusions you've come to. I have 205 subscribers, clearly nobody is backing me. I'm just a biker trying to help other bikers out because everyone deserves to get what they pay for and to be protected by something in the way that it's been sold to them. I have a very strong sense of right and wrong, truth and deceit and that's what fuels my persistence. That plus idiotic comments from people who haven't ever experienced the product in person yet challenge my knowledge and understanding of it.
@@andytrace I get what you're saying, and your perspective is very fair. But what do we say to the ce level 1 and level 2 testing the d30 ghost armour passed? Do we then question the validity of ce testing? Atop of this, pretty much all of CE level armour is not rated highly enough to protect against fractures. Most armour is intended for protection from impact and abrasion but in reality only protects against the latter.
You really should spent some time learning the basics of what you are talking about before making a video and declaring a product a scam. Or were the basics too much for your brain to handle?
I've worn the product and I don't at all trust it. If you have D30 ghost, put in your knee pads, drop to your knees from standing onto concrete and tell me I'm wrong! I've asked every single negative comment on here that's told me the test is flawed to do that and not one has come back to me to tell me they could do it comfortably! In my other brand of protection I could drop to my knees all day an happily. This stuff will slide well if you're on a lovely smooth track going at high speed, but on your average road, for impact protection, this stuff is garbage and NOTHING like the gooey putty they use to market it.
@@andytrace Your egg test tested how well the worktop was protected from the egg. Not the other way around. Your basing your opinion on its viability as an armour on comfort and not science. You have the audacity to call something a scam when you have not bothered to look into the science. If you are going to claim something is a scam. Do some research. Ask why the stunt industry has switched to using it. Ask what Olympic sports have switched to using it. Look into the science of what armour is designed to do, not just make up some bullshit test that confirms your own opinion. And as for your dropping to your knees test. I'm old and have arthritis in both knees. If I do that it's going to hurt no matter how good the armour is. But I'll trust the science and the opinions of people who know what they're talking about over some nobody on youtube who is talking out of their ass.
This experiment doesn't show how the armour protects the egg hitting the table, it shows how the armour protects the table from the egg.
That's not how it works, if you dropped the egg on your head from a similar distance it would break, so this stuff is reacting the same as your head, so it's doing no dampening. The Tea towel absorbs some of the impact and distributes it over a greater area, therefore it protects the egg. I don't know if you've had any hands on experience with D30 ghost in particular but there's no soft when neutral, hard under impact going on with this stuff. It's just hard all the time, you can't squish it if you squeeze it slowly, it feels the same no matter what. The older stuff from what I've seen does change. You say it's meant to go hard and reflect the impact back off itself, if that were accurate, why would they also use the ball bearing demonstration where the ball bearing doesn't bounce back when with the competitor brand it does (conveniently this is only ever done on a random bit of orange foam, never an actual D30 final product). Surely if it goes hard on impact, the ball bearing should bounce off? They have totally paradoxical marketing and everyone seems to be buying into it, only one can be true! Either it goes hard and then the ball should bounce. Or it's soft and the ball/egg should have the force absorbed and not bounce/break. They've brainwashed us all 🤣🤣
@@andytrace It's not much to do with absorbing the impact, it's all about distributing the force across a larger area to reduce the impact. In your egg and head example, if you were to drop an egg onto your head you'd feel a heavy knock on a very small point of your head. If your head was covered in D3O you'd feel a lighter knock across a greater area. This armour will absorb very little energy but it will transmit the force over a much larger area than if there were no pad there, which will protect your body since you'll be receiving a much lighter knock across a greater area rather than a big knock in a small area, which is what breaks bones. Armour pads (even the older style ones) aren't thick enough to absorb much of the impact, unlike things such as airbags, so all armour pads are relying on that impact dispersion much more than they are on absorbing the impact. The viscoelastic nature of the old D3O was much more for comfort than it was for impact absorption.
@@Dylzhaar have you tried this new ghost stuff? I sent it back and bought some used Knox micro whatever stuff and the difference is black and white, yes it's bulkier, but I'd happily have someone hit me across the knees with a 2x4 bit of wood, whereas with the ghost, I wouldn't even let someone hit me with a wooden spoon with the same force. Trust me, it might perform well in non human testing, but ghost does absolutely nothing to project you from pain and that's surely what you want it for. Pain = damage, would hate to see anyone involved in an accident with ghost, as they'd soon be one.
@@Dylzhaar its actually all about absorbing impact AND dispersing it across the surface. Its used to make body armour and inside of football helmets. So you are both right
@@wildcatrewind yeah, the point that the object that hits it is the one receiving all the energy, so if the egg was covered in it or would not break and the table would absorb all the kinetic energy from the fall
This is like headbutting a hard helmet and complaining that the helmet doesn't work because your head hurts.
Put D30 ghost knee pads in, drop to your knees from stranding onto concrete, then when you've recovered from your knee injury, come back here and thank me for saving you from hitting the ground with it at 70mph. Trust me, this stuff offers zero impact protection. The hard shell of the helmet does it's job because it protects the soft cushions inside the helmet and it's the soft cushions that actually stop your head from hurting. If you put the hard shell directly onto your head, it's not doing anything to absorb the impact and you'll end up with a sore head. This D30 ghost is hard plastic, but there's no cushion behind it, so it's like wearing a hard helmet without the polystyrene foam and cushions. Trust me, try the drop knee experiment, you'll regret it haha
@AndyTrace hold up bro. You found the superior material.
I think you should market that dirty dish rag as knee pads. They can absorb impacts way better than this piece of crap. What brand of rag is that? There's money to be made here
@@naturallyinsane9101 Honestly, for impact protection, I would rather have a tea towel rolled up over my knees compared to D30 Ghost, hand on hear. For slow speed around town, the tea towel will protect you more. For sliding at 70mph, sure the Ghost will do a better job, it's going to save your skin, but it'll smash your knee cap. I'm going to assume you don't own D30 ghost so are talking with no experience of the product?
Put the egg under the armor and drop something on it versus the towel.... This video is seeing the armor do what its supposed to do from outside forces, the harder you hit the outside the harder it gets. BTY D30 is used by Stuntpeople in movies.
That's the thing, it doesn't get harder the harder you hit it, it's rock solid in its neutral state, have you ever touched D30 ghost in person? It's only flexible because of the mesh formation. If it was one solid piece of D30, it would be pretty rigid and hard.
Let's say you're right and the experiment is flawed and therefore, the egg represents the exterior forces and the counter top is my knee. Do we really think an egg falling from a few inches is enough 'force' to change the molecular structure of D30 into its 'solid' form? The marketing just completely contradicts itself.
I've hot myself with a bit of wood with D30 between me and it and i've done it with other brands and I know sure as anything which I'd want between me and the ground or a car and D30 isn't it.
Another test is to drop to your knees on concrete with Ghost D30 in your knee pads and see how you get on. I can do it all day with my current other brand of pads, I didn't dare try with the ghost, the little bit of wood hurt enough. if you have ghost, try the falling to your knees test and let me know how you get on.
@Andy Trace - I were level two of it all summer.. I cant convince you and thats ok but its all on youtube the lab test and all. Thanks for the video.
@@bryang3382 So you're not willing to drop to your knees from standing to test it? Please do link me to any lab tests featuring actual D30 products. I've not seen any, they all use the goo, which is in no way like the finished products, or huge sheets of the stuff, again much thicker than the finished product.
If anyone comes across this the test is actually about how much force is transmitted to the table.
The egg is the impact.
This person needs to wrap the egg in skin tight D30 to get the test he wants.
The egg is the impact, but it's so low impact that the D30 should be soft and absorb the impact gently as per the marketing. If the egg was travelling at high speed then of course we would want the egg to smash.
Do you own ghost? If so, put your knee pads on and drop to your knees from standing onto concrete and then tell me if you think this is a good product ;)
@@andytrace So dropping to my knees is a legit test. The egg thing you're stuck on is not how the D30 is used.
You see the difference right?
You're so close.
Actually , good analogy here , remember that egg drop experiment in school?
Why did you wrap the egg in a tight protective shell? (The good test)
vs
Drop the egg onto that same protective shell we wrapped it in? (The bad test, what youre trying to show.)
Shouldn't it absorb the impact?
It doesn't work both ways.
Logically I think you'll be fine, since you understand how to wear protective gear. With your knee test example.
It'd be like someone buying a bike helmet , placing the helmet on the ground and riding their bike and crashing into the helmet head first.
The helmet won't dissipate the forces in the way you'd expect.
But if you wear it and crash it'll take the force and disperse it in a way that hurts you head less than if you pool dived into it.
@@smoofwah3552 so the reason I did this experiment was because I saw someone else doing it exactly as I was and they were saying "look how absorbant the D30 is" but when I got mine, it seemed rock hard, which is why I did the test in the first place. I understand that my experiment isn't a good one for a high impact crash where we're trying to protect the egg, however, D30 is advertised as this soft squishy material that absorbs impact and when that impact becomes too hard and fast, it turns into a protective hard shell. However, with ghost at least, that's absolutely not what happens, it's hard at resting phase, hence the egg crack. If I dropped the egg onto my current non D30 inserts, the egg wouldn't crack. Because they are squishy and absorb the impact.
The knee drop is the best test I can think of to mimic a real, slow speed accident and I couldn't drop to my knees with the D30, so I'd hate to think what the pain would be long hitting something at 40+ mph. I don't doubt these slide very well like leather, but for impact, they perform much much worse than cheap pads
@@andytrace Look, sorry to break it to you but the substance you got was the non-newtonian fluid inside a solid object. The D3O is neither liquid or solid its something in the middle. If you went to a convention and D3O was there you will see that it has a putty like consistency without being tampered and then hardens with hit with ANY force hence your egg breaking from it protecting the table.
I don't know but that seems to do exactly the thing it advertises. It is supposed to get hard when struck with a force. So when you drop the egg you should expect it to hit something hard and therefore break.
It's supposed to get hard with 'hard impact'. Do you think an egg hitting it from 6 inches should be enough to activate it going hard? The reality is with this ghost D30 is that it's always hard, there's no change in consistency, that's all marketing BS. Essentially, this stuff is like wearing a hard helmet, without any padding on the inside. It'll protect you from sliding and grazes, but in terms of impact, there's ZERO cushioning, all the impact is transferred through the material, hence the egg cracks. If it was a helmet, you'd want the outside of the helmet to break the egg, but the inside to spread the impact enough to not break the egg. As the D30 is just one layer, you want it to cushion the impact, which is exactly how all other protection works. This is like putting hard plastic pads in without the cushioning.
When you skipped physics class in school...
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
I've heard more ppl complain about this. D3o is the best when it comes to making protection more comfy because it's flexible.. but impacts still feel like impacts (but slightly less) if you don't have any cushioning around the d3o (my interpretation from watching some videos) I'm personally looking for the most comfy body armour for xc mtb racing..
This guy didn't understand what's supposed to be protected 😂
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
Some people have tried to point out to you already your silly test is flawed, listen to them. This stuff protects you from impact, outside force. You used an egg, lol!
It doesn't protect from outside force, I've worn it, it doesn't work. If you own ghost, put it on and drop to your knees from standing onto concrete. Trust me, you'll be buying a different type of protection after that, I requested every negative comment on here who's said my test is flawed to try it, not one has reported back to tell me they could do it comfortably. This stuff doesn't work for intact protection.
This is basically purchasing an armor just to hit it and complain to the seller that the armor hurts you when you hit it
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
you clearly missed the point of how body armor works. The idea of body armor is to distribute the force applied in a single point of impact across a wide area. When a force is concentrated in a single point, damage to a person is concentrated in that point so a persons internals would shatter or pierce. The whole idea of body armor is to take that concentrated force and disperse it so you are still taking damage but when its over a wide area your body can withstand it. By you dropping an egg on a piece of body armor you proove that that body armor is effective in dispersing the energy across it self and even reverting some of it back at the projectile impacting it in a singular point. Not trying to be rude or something, but this is basic physics that most people learn at school at 7th grade. Me and my buddies (engineers) were watching this video trying to learn about D30 and were expecting an actual argument why D30 is bad. Yet when we saw the end of it all of us started to laugh. But hey, next time do us a favor, drop that egg on some Steel Plate Armor, see what happens. Apparently knights should have worn Tea towels :D
You're right, the armour is meant to distribute the forces, however, D30 doesn't. If it did, the egg wouldn't crack, it would land safely, whilst all the forces was absorbed by the D30. instead, the D30 accepts none of the impact and bounces the force right back at the egg, hence it breaks.
Imagine dropping the egg into water, it would cause a ripple effect across the surface of the water, that's the force being transferred away from the egg. Eventually a little drop of water would pop up from the centre where the egg entered which is the force coming back where it couldn't re-distribute the impact fully.
Drop it from higher into the water and that drop of water in the centre becomes bigger and goes higher, showing more impact transferring back towards the egg. Drop from high enough and the egg might break on impact.
So if the egg breaks on impact from hitting something from 6 inches away (like it does with the D30), clearly it has very little impact absorption. The whole point of armour is to have impact absorption. People keep using the helmet analogy, however a helmet has both a hard external shell and a soft padded inner. This D30 doesn't, it's one material throughout and it's a hard material, not a soft one. Would you want to wear a helmet without any padding on the inside, that's what this D30 is! The hard shell, with zero impact absorption.
Your knights in shining armour is a ridiculous comparison, what other armour for motorcyclists have you seen that's made of metal, or similar? The knights wore metal armour to protect from sharp objects and high impacts on tiny areas, it's more from puncture injuries. But guess what they wore under their armour? PADDING! To protect from the impact, the didn't just put on metal armour over a tshirt! They required padding from the impact and the hard protection to protect against sharp objects breaking through their clothes and skin.
There's a reason why all other motorcycle body armour is soft. There's a reason why stab vests and bullet proof vests aren't the same. There's a reason why motorcylists aren't wearing steel plate armour, they're all protecting against different things.
It's kind of embarrassing that engineers don't understand the differences! All been brainwashed by the D30 marketing!
When you don't understand how it works 😅 and you don't know what to protect 😂
Bro skipped logical thinking 😂
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
This is a stupid test that people keep doing. If D3O goes hard upon impact, then dropping an egg on it will obviously make the egg break because the D3O will basically be a solid surface as the egg hits it
You've drank the Kool aid in their marketing! You think a tiny egg hitting it from 6 inches away is enough force to change its consistency? No, it's hard when not impacted, it's hard when impacted.
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. Would you do that? Maybe you would if D30 lied to you about it, but any sane person wouldn't.
Good test! Great tech!
D30 stiffens on impact, to protect your knee, unlike the dirty tea towel!
You've drank the Kool aid in their marketing! You think a tiny egg hitting it from 6 inches away is enough forces to change its consistency? No, it's hard when not impacted, it's hard when impacted.
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, like a skateboarding pad, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. It doesn't absorb any impact.
Do you want to protect your body or the egg?
Do you think that putting the egg under the armour and dropping the worktop on it would leave the egg intact?
This is a shock absorption test, apparently under not much impact, the D30 ghost is soft, however this shows the egg breaking, under just the force of it falling a few inches, thus showing the ghost is not soft at all under this light impact.
Do you own D30 ghost? i challenge you to drop to your knees from standing onto concrete whilst wearing your pads and see if you're willing to do it more than once.
@@andytrace the egg is too weak to observe the armors intended use, as it doesn’t have enough surface area to distribute across, and the egg shell in general is just a whole lot more fragile and wouldn’t support the weight of the “worktop” on its own
ALSO very bad of you to use literally the same egg you dropped several times before on the armor, that’s not an equal test scenario, terrible reasoning behind your claim
@@marianandnorbert off camera I did this with the first drop of the egg on the D30 but every time it smashed, so couldn't do it the other way around to make it a fair experiment. I guess I could have dropped a fresh egg onto it after, but there's no way of proving I hadn't tampered with the second egg. Here you can see the specific egg being used can handle a small tumble as it does a few times before the D30 is involved.
Anyway, don't take my word for it, put your D30 ghost jeans on and drop to your knees from standing onto concrete as fast as you can. Once you've done that, ask yourself if you fancy doing it again right away, I can guarantee you that you won't want to. In my other brand knee pads I could drop to my knees as many times as I want without feeling any pain from the impact.
Also you say the egg is too weak? But under low pressure, the D30 is advertised to be soft and maluable like their famous goo they use in all the adverts, so it should cushion the impact and protect the egg from it's fall. But anyway, do the knee test and you'll see, I've had many people tell me I'm wrong but not one of them has done the knee drop test and come back to tell me I'm still wrong. Either they're too scared to try it because they know it will hurt, or they did it and it hurt. Or they don't own D30 ghost and so are arguing against me based on the marketing they've read and no real life experience of the product.
D30 is truly a marvel of science! I even made a ball like it in the game World of Goo once, which is just as strong as it’s real life counterpart.
Imagine the amount of time you'd have saved arguing with internet experts if you just redid the test. I'd have used different eggs for starters + used both sides of the Ghost + put the egg perhaps underneath the d3o, not dropped one on top of a d3o on a table + used a control, like a another protection pad say a sas tec or whatever just to have a frame of reference
Unfortunately I no longer have the product because after testing it in many ways I decided it was garbage for what I needed. I am tempted to buy it again just to do some more tests and then return it.
Problem with using different eggs is that people will say they've been tampered with etc so you can never win. I'll have to get something more scientific to prove objectively what I'm seeing and to talk to the camera you explain why changing sides of the pad will make no difference and that these pads aren't helmets and the helmet comparison is ludicrous as is the "it gets hard on impact" nonsense 🤦🏼♂️. I also excluded other products because I didn't want it to look like I was trying to promote another brand and was just being honest, alas that didn't help people being suspicious. Honestly can't believe the responses this video has had 😂. Again putting the egg under won't prove anything, the egg will be against a hard surface so will break no matter what it's protecting it, unless the protection is creating a seal around the edge stopping the forces from getting through, but again that's not what the test was. It was an impact absorbtion test. If I was testing the stiffness of a mattress, you wouldn't suggest putting the mattress on top of you as you lay on the floor haha. I appreciate your response, especially as it's not angry and totally dumb like the others, so apologies if my tone isn't that good, Im just bemused by how many responses I get from people who clearly don't understand what this test is demonstrating. More tests are required of course, but that doesn't change the results of this one and invalidate what this one reveals. Ghost D30 is made from HARD 3D printed plastic and all the D30 marketing that speaks of goo turning hard and all that is utter BS and until people experience it for themselves first hand and actually think with their own critical minds, ignoring all the marketing and look at what's actually Infront of them, they're going to be very hard to convince otherwise.
@@andytrace i agree the comments here are borderline,but you need to appreciate you're going against CE Level 2 standards here, with a not so torough test. Of course you'll have the comments youve seen.. I'd highly advise redoing the test, and either shut people up, or realise the product is not too bad. Either way youre winning.
@@Automan9 looking at five9's video it looks like the certs these days are only measuring slidability, rather than impact protection. Maybe for good reason, but I only ride up to 45mph most of the time, so I don't need to slide much, I just want my bones to not smash. The D30 ghost I'm certain slides very very well, hence passing the certification, I'm sure riding at 70mph and coming off it will stop you from losing a lot of skin because it's made of very hard plastic which I'm sure will take a long time to grind down. I'm just certain you'll also break the bone it's covering when it does it. Again, that's why I call it a scam because it's not a soft material that goes hard on impact and that's 100% of D30s marketing. It doesn't matter how many times I say it, for some reason it never sinks in. They have lied to us all and used clever techniques to trick us into believing this is a magic material, but it's not. It's just plastic that's coloured the same as the magical goo, which I'm sure is far too costly to mass produce. No amount of tests will prove anything to anyone because they don't want to believe they've been tricked and lied to and worse, gullible enough to believe it. So they'd rather question me than consider the fact that they've been duped. Like I say, until they've experienced it in person and can look at it 100% objectively, they will never believe me.
Yooo, you got the same idea as me I just typed like a few seconds ago
I better start rocking dirty dish towels instead of D30 body armor, YO!
You joke, but try this test for me, drop to your knees whilst standing still on solid concrete with your D30 Ghost armour in and tell me how it feels. I'm willing to bet a lot of money you won't volunteer to do it again right after. Whereas with my current armour, I'd happily do it over and over.
I believe the ghost will provide very good slide protection, but it provides very little impact protection, try my test and prove me wrong.
Let’s test it on a thick piece of wool now after it already started to crack let’s test it on a thin piece of D30
All you’ve done is demonstrate that the D3O will protect the table…
A chopping board would also protect the table, but would you wear chopping boards as body armour? No! Why? Because all the impact would transfer through the chopping board and into your body.
For protection, you need impact absorption, which is why every other type of body armour has something soft in the design.
The armour isn't absorbing any impact, the same as the outside of a helmet wouldn't. Great right? No, because a helmet has a nice cushioned inside, which does absorb impact and distributes it all over the head instead of on one point. This D30 is just one material, there's no hard shell and soft inner, it's just hard and transfers all the impact straight through itself. It's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding. Would you do that?
I'll take the D3O over the tea towel any day. But at that thickness it's more suitable for bicycle crashes than motorcycle crashes.
That's what the Armour is Sposed to do, it stays soft until hit and it hardens up.Actually a good experiment in favour of the Armour.
This ghost stuff isn't soft until hit. It's just hard constantly, it's basically 3D printed plastic, printed onto a lightweight lycra type material. What's happened here is you've been lied to in the marketing and see what they want you to see, not the physical reality. Think about it, this stuff is designed to be impact protection at 70mph, do you really think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough "impact" to cause the state of the material to change? Having hit myself with a bit of wood with this armour in and other armours, I can confirm D30 ghost has very little to no impact protection. Skin abrasion from sliding on tarmac, I'm sure it's great, but for impact absorbtion it's, as the experiment shows, worse than a folded up dish cloth. The reason I made this video was to help consumers see that marketing isn't always honest and it's scary how many people defend the company who have lied to them. Truly worrying.
@@andytrace Interesting - I am scratching my head reading the many comments -The test the D30 is subjected to when seeking CE approval level 1 and 2 are based on how much force is transmitted through - too much and the product fails the test???? I have a slight issue with the fact you appear to drop the same egg through out - has it not sustained fractures from the tea towel drop???
@@pamvarnsverry2444 I'll admit it's definitely not a scientific test and yes maybe using a different egg for each drop would have been better and a best of 3 drops even more so. I just did it as a bit of fun when I saw another video showing the same experiment with an older version of D30 that actually caught the egg safely. My experiment is certainly flawed, but not in the way most comments claim, like when they say you want the armour to harden, because firstly, hardening without padding underneath, is no good, it's the padding that keeps your bones from breaking. As I've said before, a helmet without the padding isn't going to save anything but your skin, bones and brain will still break. This stuff is hard plastic, it's 3D printed. There's zero orange goo here, the orange is just tricking everyone's brains into thinking it's the same substance but it's not. It's very very firm and it doesn't change. I don't know about the legislation but I would assume slide ability might be what got this product the certification. This product translates almost all of the force that hits it through to the object below.
@@andytrace Thanks for the response - czcams.com/video/fUGmF395vps/video.html This link is to Motolegends might help - It is my understanding that EN1621 - 1 relates to arm and knee and the test is only for "impact" not abrasion resistance ( that is for fabrics) - I do wonder if you are suggesting this is not D30 armour but rather a fake???? You could also check out F9 or Bennetts for more info. It was very entertaining but it sounds like you are concerned, ride safe
The D30 is protective not the egg. You would need to wrap the egg in it for it to become indestructible-
I might be mistaken but I believe the armor is inside out here. It should be flipped and then tested again
You are mistaken ☺️ it's made of solid plastic the entire way through, won't make any difference which way up it goes
So, what we should take from this is that we need to stuff old dirty tea towels in our clothing?
If you're looking for something that will protect your knees from impact at low speeds, say riding around the city, or falling off your bike when stood still, then from this experiment and others I did, like hitting myself with planks of wood, the tea towel actually provided more impact resistance than the D30 ghost, which is like putting just the outside of a helmet against your bones, without the soft cushioning of the inside of the helmet. It translates almost all of the impact through it as it's so hard and rigid. At very high speeds and sliding, I can't tell you which would be better as I've not tested it.
In short, D3o protected the table, better than the towel. How to properly redo this experiment, put tinfoil under the towel repeat drop process. Remove towel only! And look at the dents left in the tinfoil. Put tinfoil under D3o, drop 12 eggs. Look at the smoothness of the foil sheet.
This is an impact absorption test, it doesn't matter which side of the D30 or towel it hits as they're both the same consistency throughout. If it was a helmet, then you'd want the outside of the helmet to smash the egg as it needs to be firm for protection, however, you'd want the inside of the helmet to cushion the impact and keep the egg intact, agree? As D30 doesn't have an inside and an outside layer, it doesn't matter which side you test, you want both sides to cushion the impact. Because if it's not cushioning anything, it's transferring all the impact through itself and into your body. Using the helmet analogy again, if you had just the hard shell, without the soft inner padding, then a helmet wouldn't protect you much at all, right? Therefore, this egg cracking demonstrates that it's not cushioning the impact and therefore, any impact is going straight into your knees, hips etc. This has been proven when I hit myself with a plank of wood with the pads in and it REALY hurt, unlike when i did the same with my Knox pads.
That how it should react it should harden when some thing is hit if it dosent go hard while crash you are the egg then
It doesn't harden when the egg hits it, it's already really hard to the touch at its neutral state. It's just plastic, no magic goo here. Also D30 often show an experiment of the falling ball bearing that doesn't bounce back, isn't that because it's soft and absorbs the impact, whereas on the competitor product, the ball bounces back up into the air. If the D30 is meant to go hard on impact, then surely the ball bearing should bounce high. It's total paradoxical marketing, one minute saying it's soft and absorbs impact, the next saying it goes hard.... Can anyone explain that? 😅
@@andytrace the point of the product isn’t to protect the thing hitong it it’s to protect what’s underneath it. When u used the tea towel you heard a loud noise but it’s not there with d30
@@hainesdougherty3517 hahaha I'm not really bothered about the noise it makes, I want anything hitting into my pads to slowed down and its impact not transferred to my bones! If you have D30 ghost knee pads, go stand on some concrete and mimic an accident by dropping to your knees as fast as you can, this egg experiment is admittedly not a great one, but do the knee drop one and you will learn all about impact protection, or the lack thereof that D30 Ghost has. I've not had a single person come back to me and tell me I'm wrong about it, perhaps because they're in too much pain to walk over to their keyboard after trying it lol
Of you look closely you can see a small Crack in the egg before thay grabbed it
Hit the side of the armour 😅
It didn't work because of the Serran wrap, the d30 could disperse the energy
Use a different egg for the d30
So you weaken the egg first before testing ?
Why's everyone thinking I'm trying to fake something? I bought an expensive product, thought it was shit, sold with hugely misleading marketing and not fit for purpose so wanted help other consumers save their time and money in a demo I thought might be helpful. It's so strange how everyone's responses are acting like I'm lying to them or tricking them. The truth is that D30 have been lying to you all for years and you've all drank the Kool aid but rather than consider that, people are all out to disprove me in order to cover up the fact that they've bought into marketing BS.
This is Elon Musk
D30 is for protection 😅
Yep it is, to absorb impacts... Which it doesn't do. If I put a marble chopping board on the counter, the egg also would have broke, would you wear marble slabs as protection? No! If I put high density foam on the counter, the egg wouldn't have broken, would you use high density foam as protection, yes! The D30 is acting like the outside of a helmet, only issue is, a helmet has a lovely soft inner, for.... impact absorption. Unfortunately D30 doesn't have that lovely soft inner, so it's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding inside it. it's useless for impact absorption.
You could hear the egg smash against the table not the D30
aight im gonna buy armor and expect objects that i throw into it to be safe 👽
read my other comments, do the knee drop test, then come tell me I'm wrong, nobody has done the test and reported back yet... You could be the first, or the next person to have some very sore knees
It has to be rapped in it if you drop the egg on to it the force causes the D30 to harden so of course the eggs gonna break
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
Duh .....armour goes over the egg.Then hit armour.
You think putting the egg on the table, with the ghost on top and then hitting it with a hammer is going to help? If you have D30 ghost, put in your knee armour and drop to your knees as fast as you can onto concrete. I've done it with ghost and I've done it with another brand who I now wear when I ride. this ghost stuff has almost ZERO impact absorption, it's really hard plastic, not the squidgy, flexible product they market it as, in both resting and under pressure states, its HARD!
This person doesn’t understand physics. Lookup Newtons laws of motion.
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
Actually d30 is stroung cause you smash it many times on the dirty towel then it break😂
You don’t understand how D3O works, my friend. Put your pride aside for a second and listen to the people.
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it. It's nothing to do with my ego, it's just physics.
Expensive oobleck.
You are using it backwards lol
I research about d30 but came this video.. why test it like that? What the purpose?
To show how it doesn't absorb impact. You need armour to redistribute the impact to soften the blow to your bones. This D30 doesn't do that. I also hit myself with a bit of wood, but of course my reaction would be subjective and untrustworthy. This method is a little more transparent, it shows even just a thin layer of tea towels absorbs the impact better than this rock hard plastic they call D30 Ghost.
You need to hit it directly not on plastic.
Wrong logic of test…..
Do you own D30 ghost?
I feel like just about anyone would get the same result if done the way your doing it apprently you forgot how it works
it protected the table from the egg silly, do it the other way around
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
@AndyTrace I'm sorry to break it to you but D30 absorbs force, not protects it from force, say you slam your knee into something and it has D30 on it, the D30 on your knee will absorb the force protecting YOU, if you attach d30 to a door and you slam your knee into it it will still hurt because the D30 will harden. Also it's a non newtonian fluid meaning it's not really supposed to follow the laws of physics
He literally just edited the video
I didn't, I'm just a consumer unhappy with the product.
This guy doesn't get it
Everyone has drank the Kool aid, you think an egg falling from 6 inches is enough impact to change the form of the D30? have you held D30 ghost in your hands? It's hard, constantly, it doesn't change under impact. It's like wearing a helmet without the padding, it'll protect you from sharp objects and sliding, however it absorbs none of the impact, which is why the egg breaks. If it dropped onto a mattress the egg wouldn't break, dropped onto high density foam, it wouldn't break. Dropped onto marble, it would break. Would you wear marble plates for protection no! Would you wear a helmet, without the inner padding? No! You want the armour to ABSORB the impact, not reflect it, something everyone is missing because they've all watched the marketing BS and bought into it.
I'm not entirely sure if the ones defending the product are 13 Yo's or are really speaking the truths.
I just found out about this material, and it's really hard to believe the commercial. It feels intuitively suspicious for me.
There's very little information about this material in youtube that it makes me believe it's controversial.
The way this guy did it was wrong. The product did the right thing it protected the table. If you listen you here the egg hit the table on the tea towel but with the product you don’t hear a loud noise
@@hainesdougherty3517 It didn't;'t protect the table! The D30 transfers the impact from the egg, to the table, which has no impact absorption, and neither does the D30, so it reflects the impact back to the egg and it breaks. Like wearing a helmet, without the padding.
The only sane person in the comments! hello and thank you! they use this soft orange goo in the marketing and then sell you rock hard orange plastic and pretend it's the same stuff! People are so gullible it's worrying! To think these people can vote! Oh that's orange, that other thing is orange, must be the same thing! hahaha If it were, why would they use the orange goo, you'd just use the actual product in the demonstrations, but they NEVER do! Genius marketing, criminal marketing! I'm amazed there aren't more law suits after the product doesn't work. Would be interesting to see how many out of court settlements there are.
The only sane person in the comments! hello and thank you! they use this soft orange goo in the marketing and then sell you rock hard orange plastic and pretend it's the same stuff! People are so gullible it's worrying! To think these people can vote! Oh that's orange, that other thing is orange, must be the same thing! hahaha If it were, why would they use the orange goo, you'd just use the actual product in the demonstrations, but they NEVER do! Genius marketing, criminal marketing! I'm amazed there aren't more law suits after the product doesn't work. Would be interesting to see how many out of court settlements there are.
Lmao. You clearly dropped the egg on the counter next to the d30 and not on it, and even if you had actually hit the target, this would test how well the d30 protects the counter from the impact of the egg, not the other way around. So you’re right I guess, you are a big scam.
Clearly It landed on the D30.
If I put a marble chopping board on the counter, the egg also would have broke, would you wear marble slabs as protection? No! If I put high density foam on the counter, the egg wouldn't have broken, would you use high density foam as protection, yes! The D30 is acting like the outside of a helmet, only issue is, a helmet has a lovely soft inner, for.... impact absorption. Unfortunately D30 doesn't have that lovely soft inner, so it's like wearing a helmet, without the soft padding inside it. it's useless for impact absorption.
Hahha what a brain
Stick to what you know buddy. Cause motorcycle armour and physics is clearly not it.
And why is that? This is a pretty good experiment to show how very little impact absorbtion the D30 ghost has. Do you own it? I dare you to put your knee pads in and drop to your knees on concrete and report back your findings. So far I've asked every critic on here to do this (check the comments, there's hundreds of you!) yet not a single person has come back to tell me they could do it! I can do it in my armour all day long. D30 ghost has been developed to protect your skin, not your bones and they've used deceptive marketing. I want to protect both my skin and bones when riding so this rock hard 3d printed plastic got sent back.
@@andytrace It's simply because you have no idea what you're doing, that's why. Your test is equivalent of crashing a car into a wall and checking for the damage on the wall. Now repeat that test and measure how much force got transmitted over to the table, because that's the only outcome that matters.
You're trying to be all "scientific" here yet you used the same egg already dropped 3 times on the table to demonstrate how the armour is "useless". Not that it matters here anyway.
You're right, there's hundreds of us, just noticed, so this tells me there's no point talking to you because you think you know best. Have a good day and I safe riding.
@@hovek1988 Have you seen Fort9's latest video about protective gear? Think he's a reliable source? Well his thoughts on the industry align with what I've been saying. This is to protect from skin grazes, not impact. And the marketing IS a scam because this stuff isn't soft and then goes hard, it's always hard. It's false marketing. And yes I do know best because I've had the product in my hands and in my riding gear and done lots of experiments (like the falling to the knees test). It's very very obvious that everyone criticising my process has never actually experienced the product (D30 ghost specifically) in real life, if they had, I'm confident that they'd have a very different perspective. My test was an impact absorbtion test and the really hard 3D printed plastic Ghost was shown to have very very little and acts more like a helmet without the internal cushioning, which is pretty much useless, for impact protection. For skin abrasion protection, I'm sure it's great, but D30 is sold as a soft material that redistributes impacts to a larger surface area on impact and this is a total fallacy. Thanks for backing out of the conversation because clearly you have made up your mind but can't actually articulate how I'm wrong. Your car crashing into a wall analogy doesn't make any sense without first stating if it's the car or the wall we're judging the impact dampening properties of. This is where you're all going wrong, you think the egg is the potential threat and by breaking the egg, the ghost has done it's job. But the experiment was to show how much dampening of the impact the materials are capable of as this is what's going to stop your bones from breaking.
This has to be satire.
@@jeremylopez2101watch it as an impact absorbtion of a pad test, not impact protection like a helmet and it should seem less satirical. Again, the reason it might feel like it is satire is because a dirty tea towel genuinely performed better in my tests as neutralising impact pressure and absorbing impact than the D30 ghost which I agree is crazy. Analysis is that the D30 ghost is made of pretty hard, 3D printed plastic, it's like wearing a helmet without the soft padding inside. It'll protect you from scrapes and scratches, but not from impact forces. Don't believe me, run your own tests.
@@andytrace Your stubbornness astounds me. Why are you so persistent? Did competitors pay you to post this? I'm not responding after this because you'll probably reply with another essay about how d30 ghost armour does nothing.
@@jeremylopez2101 I'm persistent because I fell for the marketing, realised it was all lies and so altruistically made a video to help my fellow bikers save their time and money. However, instead of people seeing that, they're all filled with ideas of conspiracy. I very purposely haven't mentioned any other brand during the video or my comments again to deter people making the conclusions you've come to. I have 205 subscribers, clearly nobody is backing me. I'm just a biker trying to help other bikers out because everyone deserves to get what they pay for and to be protected by something in the way that it's been sold to them. I have a very strong sense of right and wrong, truth and deceit and that's what fuels my persistence. That plus idiotic comments from people who haven't ever experienced the product in person yet challenge my knowledge and understanding of it.
@@andytrace I get what you're saying, and your perspective is very fair. But what do we say to the ce level 1 and level 2 testing the d30 ghost armour passed? Do we then question the validity of ce testing?
Atop of this, pretty much all of CE level armour is not rated highly enough to protect against fractures. Most armour is intended for protection from impact and abrasion but in reality only protects against the latter.
@@andytrace Also, the armour is meant to be used the other way around, with the orange part facing away from the impact.
You really should spent some time learning the basics of what you are talking about before making a video and declaring a product a scam. Or were the basics too much for your brain to handle?
I've worn the product and I don't at all trust it. If you have D30 ghost, put in your knee pads, drop to your knees from standing onto concrete and tell me I'm wrong! I've asked every single negative comment on here that's told me the test is flawed to do that and not one has come back to me to tell me they could do it comfortably! In my other brand of protection I could drop to my knees all day an happily. This stuff will slide well if you're on a lovely smooth track going at high speed, but on your average road, for impact protection, this stuff is garbage and NOTHING like the gooey putty they use to market it.
@@andytrace Your egg test tested how well the worktop was protected from the egg. Not the other way around. Your basing your opinion on its viability as an armour on comfort and not science. You have the audacity to call something a scam when you have not bothered to look into the science. If you are going to claim something is a scam. Do some research. Ask why the stunt industry has switched to using it. Ask what Olympic sports have switched to using it. Look into the science of what armour is designed to do, not just make up some bullshit test that confirms your own opinion. And as for your dropping to your knees test. I'm old and have arthritis in both knees. If I do that it's going to hurt no matter how good the armour is. But I'll trust the science and the opinions of people who know what they're talking about over some nobody on youtube who is talking out of their ass.
You testing it the other way around 💀
Why? I'm testing impact absorbtion. How would you test a mattress for impact absorbtion? Drop an egg on it and see if it breaks?