Rogers danced frontwards 98% of the time, except for initial dance starts. Watch the dances! Astaire could dance backwards too; additionally he choreographed everything.
Yes. but. The dancing works because of Astraire’s many hours of rehearsal. What is wonderful about her is her physical toughness. She had to learn to dance with Adelle Astaire’s partner and rise occasionally to that level. This according to someone who had seen Adele. Ginger had the same joie d’ vive if not quite the same skill. Plus the romantic touch. of course.
The whole “I voted for Ginger Rogers cuz I hate Hepburn personally” is the “I didn’t vote for Roma as best picture and did Green Book instead cuz Netflix” of its time
Bernardo Abreu true, but when movies like Spotlight and Moonlight has won the big prize, plus more diverse people being accepted into the Academy as voters, you would expect all that diverse community to want more stories from around the world, but I guess that will take more time to do.
Katharine Hepburn had the creative control that Bette Davis wanted. I want a video about Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn. Their similarities, their differences and why they matter for actresses today.
... I'm reading one of the best Bette Davis biographies (my fave actor of all time) and I remember Bette mentioned being good friends with Hepburn, and ironically one actor she would have loved to work with many times was Spencer Tracy. She had high esteem for Tracy, as she had for Hepburn.
I know one similarity between them--and I'm assuming from Hepburn's clipped but "flat" speaking voice, she may also be a New Englander like Bette. Another similarity is that both women who lived fairly long lives didn't stop working until sudden illness/death.
There are differences I can find between Davis and Hepburn is that although both Yankee women, Davis never really observed the yankee way and she always was drunk with the legendary status she rightfully deserved. Hepburn was probably more of a yankee woman even though she was born to a wealthy family. Davis love to fight for her roles but at a consequence brought by her attitude. Hepburn got artistic control and said who or what is in a film before the other person even got a chance to rebuttal. Davis did it the hard way while Hepburn did her way quickly before you had a chance to say anything opposite of her way.
@@alpe1987 Katherine was from a rich and patrician background. Bette was not. Proper but not in the same economic class. Katherine and Spensor were together for years. The press left them alone. Bette used to say. that the hotel detectives would watch the stars and their boyfriends. You were not allowed to "shack up", that's why there were so many marriages those days. Today, some stars are left alone by the press and engage in all sorts of things and maintain their boy and girl next door image. However, Angelina was not the only "other woman."
I was waiting for your Ginger episode! She was Fred's best partner because of her acting skill. He is THE perfect dancer but is only average as an actor. She looked at him like no other dancer and he reciprocated with a joy he only had for her. A truly magical pair.
This is what modern Hollywood does not get not all of the actors of that era were good but what they did have was screen presence and charm. Far too many serious poe faced actors today that in many instances make light hearted scenes look boring and dreary. Films today are also just too dark in their style.
Ginger Rogers truly was a fantastic actress. Her performances in "Swing Time," "Stage Door," and "The Major and the Minor" (just to name a few) are testimony to her artistry. What I admire about her is that she did not play herself but was always the character. That made her maybe less "iconic" than other movie stars of the time, but actually shows a modern and selfless approach to acting. The more I go back and see of Ginger, the more I am in awe of her versatility as a dramatic actress, comedienne, singer, and dancer.
Angel the Cinephile - Yes! I’ve been disgusted by how up until a few years ago, it was not uncommon to read critics saying her win was undeserved bc he was “just a Deaf actress playing a Deaf character”, I literally grew up reading that and thought it was normal, and with time I’ve realized how awful that is, especially after finally watching the movie and seeing how fantastic she was in it.
@@chucho_qmpThe problem is she has never tried to grow beyond that. Why hasn’t she taken speech therapy as many deaf have done to be able to expand her range?
@@subliminalcity6892 How is that weird logic? It's pretty much widely accepted that that is what happened in the case of Susan Sarandon, Geena Davis and Jodie Foster...when the vote for the two Thelma & Louise actresses was split, and Jodie Foster took home the prize.
Doubtful. That assumes a fairly even split for Rogers to still end up with the majority. If there was a split vote, it was more likely between two of those roles.
Yes! In fact, it would be interesting to see videos on actors turned academy members or even just on AMPAS presidents like Bette Davis and Cheryl Boone-Issacs.
For me that year was ALL about Joan Fontaine losing for Rebecca and then winning her consolation prize the next year for Suspicion. I was basically the same as when Jimmy Stewart won for The Philadelphia Story instead of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington the pervious year.
He deserved it for Philadelphia Story and I will die on this hill. His character is the most pivotal element to making the whole film and its various tones hang together, it would have been incredibly easy for it to go wrong with the slightest misstep from him, and he does it so perfectly that it seems effortless and inevitable.
I'm an actress who loves Old Hollywood history so obviously this is my favorite channel. I look forward to all your videos thank you for doing what you do!!
I went and watched it because of this video, and I was not sorry. One of my favorites now. I love how most of the cast is female and they carry it so well!
I really like these human vignettes backgrounding 'movie stars'. Your content gives so much historical context and sets the social realities of stardom in perspective. More videos when time allows please. And getting the behind the scenes of how movies are made de-mystifies Hollywood in a real way. So thanks :)
Lew Archer 1949 “I just went gay all of a sudden” and “I'm standing in the middle of 42nd Street waiting for a bus!” are two of my favourite lines from any comedy film ever.
The reason Howard Hawks added Ralph Bellamy to the cast of His Girl Friday is because Hawks thought that 'Baby' was a flop because the audience had no 'normal' person to identify with.....they were all nutty! So Ralph Bellamy makes the rest of the cast in 'Friday' funnier by being a regular guy. Baby had no such character.
@@KngFish I had forgotten about that fact and it makes a lot of sense, when I first attempted to watch Baby I had to stop because it all seemed too stupid and over the top, then I gave it another try -with full awareness of the tone- and fell in love with it.
Katie Hepburn always get underrated! Many men are not fans of her cos she's a very strong, dominant, modern. Not a trait men love. Well the video tells you all...I think she was even box office poison. I love Katharine ❤️
@@dollydagger4306 I like Katharine Hepburn but the reason she was never as popular as other strong female stars like Bette Davis or Joan Crawford is that she is inherently coldand quite unlikable.
@@dollydagger4306 You take a very dismissive view of criticism of Hepburn. I think that her acting range was very limited because she played basically herself in every role- a Neurotic Patrician Yankee. She made no attempt to change her heavy accent that made her dialogue difficult to understand. She was also paired with some of the greatest leading men of all time Cary, Spencer, Henry, etc. Let's see her drag John Boles or Dennis Morgan through 6 reels.
Rosalind Rusell was AMAZINGGG..especially in HGF...she was one of the few actors who could equal Cary Grant's comedic genius. I always feel the Academy has never been kind to comedic actors, especially to women who excelled in comedy.
The fact that Ginger’s comedic timing in 42nd street is still genuinely funny, not to mention the actually pretty fantastic transatlantic accent she affected as a joke, are just of the things that make her a true star in my book. It’s really difficult to portray a comedic character and still have the humorous portrayal be relevant today.
I think the most interesting fact about Ginger Rogers is that her parents were in such a heated custody battle that one kidnapped ginger and didn't reveal the location of their daughter to the other
Both had super powerful mothers to look up to- interestingly enough, the mothers were on oposite ends of the political spectrum, but neither were the " well behaving" types and well, I think their daughters took note of that.
Gingers mother famously endorsed the Hollywood "casting couch". She had a lot of influence over young up and coming actors in the industry because of the way she had already forged her daughters career, all the younger actors really respected her business savvy. So RKO had her teach workshops on the studio lot and Lucille Ball regularly participated in it because Ginger was her mentor and Lucille really respected Gingers mother. She encouraged those young up and comers to take any opportunity even and especially if it meant having to lay on a casting couch. There's no shame in doing what was necessary to get ahead and have a career for the rest of your life. Lucille Ball said better to lay on a casting couch then to lay on a cold hard floor.
@@minxella6764 have you ever read that ginger affair with howard hughes while he was with katharine? I mean it's kind of jealously knowing your bf having affair with another actress
I remember being a little girl watching 'Kitty Foyle' with my grandma after having only seen Ginger as an amazing dancer in (corny, yet brilliant) dance flicks, and being thrown for a loop! I haven't seen that film in about a decade or more but I still remember thinking her performance was stunning. It's a shame she is not more recognized for her dramatic acting.
This channel deserves waaay more subscribers. The analytical approach, along with the narration, editing and footage is all spot on. Another really interesting, well researched and informative video! Bravo! :)
Would love to hear about these stories about Bette: 1951: Judy Holliday pulled a upset over Bette AND Anne Baxter 1963: Joan Crawford (Accepting for Anne Bancroft) putting her feud with Bette into the fire ever further And my favorite part of this: Ginger naming her fellow nominees!!! Another well-done video you have made.
@@MikeSmith74653 As the narrator said, the Academy favored heavy drama over comedies. The same goes for ct to those other nominees' performances, they were not robbed of the Oscar in 1950. The great Judy Holliday gave a singular performance in "Born Yesterday" that was as nuanced and heartbreaking as those performances given by Swanson and Davis. What about Eleanor Parker, who also gave a riveting performance in and was nominated for "Caged"? Why do you not include her in the "list" of "robbed" Oscar nominees in 1950?
Regarding that loss of Bette's at the 63 Oscars. A good point to make is that Bette diluted herself into believing she was going to win. She was that sure of herself and her performance in effect screw the other nominees because they don't count. And then Crawford accepting for Bancroft fed into Davis who convinced herself that Crawford had a hand in the loss. She was dead set on that notion until her death.
The Academy made a couple big stumbles that year. Denying the Oscar to Joan Fontaine, who gave the performance of a lifetime in Rebecca, was a crime that not even her "apology" Oscar the next year could make up for. And John Ford's stodgy direction of The Grapes of Wrath was rewarded over Hitchcock's masterful work in Rebecca.
I can’t wait to see videos for Kathy Bates, Nicole Kidman, Holly Hunter, Jessica Lange, Susan Sarandon, Faye Dunaway, Diane Keaton, Louise Fletcher and Anne Bancroft
Some of those actresses you listed are terrible and then some of them are just too serious and poe faced most of the time. And most of what female actresses are staring in today are just political activist films trying to push some message about something. Anne Bancroft was in the Golden era some of the other actresses you listed were not.
@@greyLeicester I mean correct I like all theses actress but honestly it boils down to style personal I think the actress who played catelyn stark aka michelle Fairely is spelt on and we need to set our alarm clocks on her
The Oscars used to be about the actual overall entertainment production. It meant actors could win on the basis of a good performance and being entertaining. It was in later years that all the crap started about acting performance what ever that is suppose to mean.
Ginger was amazing in Kitty Foyle. I've always thought about her as a comedic actess, but it turned out she could do so much more! Thank you for this video!
Great channel! Love them both - but Ginger's range has always been underappreciated - even within the Astaire/Rogers canon. Her solo number, "The Yam" would always crack up my wife and me when we watched 'Carefree' (1938); her comic timing even within the song is impeccable. She's also very funny with David Niven in Bachelor Mother (1939). We saw her perform toward the end of her career when she did a revival tour of 'Showboat'. She was quite elderly by then, but still magical on stage.
Talk about my day being brighten! A new video from 'Be Kind, Rewind' really made my day! And with Lindsay Ellis just putting out a new vid herself the other day, it has been a good week!
I think Ginger Rogers deserved her Academy Award for Kitty Foyle. Kitty Foyle is an excellent movie, its screenplay is written by Dalton Trumbo and displays class consciousness dramatically. I think Kitty Foyle holds up very well.
TBH Ginger wasn’t only underestimated because she was viewed as a comedian and a dancer, people didn’t really see her as an equal to Fred Astaire, even though she was the only co-star of Fred’s that shed her own light.
Ginger was not as good a dancer nor had she the exact screen presence of Astair. That is just the honest truth of the matter. She was her own thing and people loved her for what she was and put in some great performances. It is sad that cinema has moved away from that era to the era of cynicism.
@@bighands69 No that's just your opinion on the matter. No one was, or has been a good a dancer as Astaire, he is mesmeric to watch. But outside of Eleanor Powell and Cyd Charisse (primarily incredible dancers both) I defy you to name one he danced with on screen better than Rogers was (Hayworth was no better than Rogers I would submit), And neither Powell nor Charisse bring the same magic away from the dance, because neither were remotely as good as actors.. the reason Astaire/Rogers movies clicked was precisely because she absolutely matched him on screen in terms of screen presence. She was by far the better actor. Her career is testament to that. She gave him the acting chops he lacked...she had the sass and the bite, and the vulnerability he did not have...and their chemistry together whether dancing or not, was never matched by anyone else he worked with.
@@LFire12 My point was that Rodgers was not as good a dancer as Astaire. Rodgers was more of an actor with really good dancing skills on screen. I would say Astaire was more of a dancer who had good acting screen skills. I like both of them and I feel I am just stating the obvious but it still is only my opinion.
This is an old post. LoL, but Judy Garland was a co-star of Fred in the Easter Parade and definitely had her own light ❤️. Fred wasn't my favorite co-star for Judy, though. I like her with Gene Kelly and Mickey Rooney (of course)!
Stage Door. IF you've not seen that movie, please do. It's one of the all time greats. It literally had a cast of famous women in that movie that was like the ultimate check list, sort of like The Women!
I love Ginger and happy for her win, but Joan Fontaine probably should have won. All these women are just amazing...wish we had this level of talent in Hollywood now.
3:14 This scene… my gosh it’s become an obsession for me. It’s so ahead of it’s time it incapsulates so much. The accent is on point, the, “Lolly!” And half attempt to go back to the accent is like, I don’t even know, I’ll put it this way; it’s the greatest scene in human movie history.
I am obsessed with your channel. I know it's super niche, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on Kim Stanley or Geraldine Page. Thank you for all you do!
The song 'Let's Face The Music And Dance,' was shot in one take. They had to do it over and over, but finally, totally exhausted, they got it. You'll never see anything like this again. Ever.
Shafin Khan - I don't think the people in hollywood are amazing in any way, they have always been a bunch of perverts, who will do anything and everything for fame and money. The industry glamorized them to the highest degree to make those people unique or especial but in reality they were/are equal or less then the average Joe. Don't let the industry fooled you into thinking those people are amazing because they're not.
What dancer has ever been rich besides prima ballerinas? Joan Crawford began as a dancer just like Ginger and she was lower class and worked herself up by sheer determination, Marilyn Monroe was also very poor growing up. There's all kinds of social classes represented in Hollywood, even back then. Just keep your inflammatory bigoted shit to yourself.
What I think makes Ginger & Fred’s dances so amazing is that, if you look at them focused on 100% critical analysis, their actual moves aren’t terribly complicated. In fact, they look almost as though they’re just randomly moving at whim. But the combination of grace, speed, and balance between moves turns otherwise clunky and immature dance moves into enchanting and intricate dances that pretty much nobody can replicate.
The award to Ginger was for her accumulation of work AND her strong appearance in a modern topical movie, Kitty Foile. I think greatest award an actor can get is a great part in a great movie. Even Ginger confessed late in life that she was still looking for that part.
Regina Phalange the only modern actress that comes even close is Kate Mulgrew. Even though she is a successful actress in her own right she embodies the best qualities of Katherine Hepburn.
Awesome video. I'm so glad I came across this channel a few months ago. I love movies but I used to always dismiss the Oscars as pointless and unimportant. Your videos have really made me see how the Oscars are actually important to film history, and they tell so many great stories in and of themselves.
Although Ginger wasn't a formally a trained dancer...Fred and Hermes Pan worked with her and their hard work brought Ginger's inate talents to the forefront. Bless them all!
"Ginger Rogers did everything that Fred Astaire did, but backwards and in heels" let's take a moment to appreciate that
Yeah, and how overquoted it is.
Fred Astaire did everything that Ginger Rogers did, but forwards and in flats
Rogers danced frontwards 98% of the time, except for initial dance starts. Watch the dances! Astaire could dance backwards too; additionally he choreographed everything.
Yes. but. The dancing works because of Astraire’s many hours of rehearsal. What is wonderful about her is her physical toughness. She had to learn to dance with Adelle Astaire’s partner and rise occasionally to that level. This according to someone who had seen Adele. Ginger had the same joie d’ vive if not quite the same skill. Plus the romantic touch. of course.
And a quote she herself would refute as nonsense.
This is now one of the best film history channels.
what are some other film history channels? I need more of this kind of content!
The best.
Oh, yes, it is!!!!
The whole “I voted for Ginger Rogers cuz I hate Hepburn personally” is the “I didn’t vote for Roma as best picture and did Green Book instead cuz Netflix” of its time
I feel this so hard
green book was the best film of the year-period
wsd Drama No it wasn’t. Green Book most certainly did not deserve it.
or because Roma is a foreign language film. The oscars can't accept a film of the year being non-american
Bernardo Abreu true, but when movies like Spotlight and Moonlight has won the big prize, plus more diverse people being accepted into the Academy as voters, you would expect all that diverse community to want more stories from around the world, but I guess that will take more time to do.
This will never be under my “Watch Later” playlist.
I must watch this now!
Katharine Hepburn had the creative control that Bette Davis wanted. I want a video about Bette Davis and Katharine Hepburn. Their similarities, their differences and why they matter for actresses today.
... I'm reading one of the best Bette Davis biographies (my fave actor of all time) and I remember Bette mentioned being good friends with Hepburn, and ironically one actor she would have loved to work with many times was Spencer Tracy. She had high esteem for Tracy, as she had for Hepburn.
I know one similarity between them--and I'm assuming from Hepburn's clipped but "flat" speaking voice, she may also be a New Englander like Bette. Another similarity is that both women who lived fairly long lives didn't stop working until sudden illness/death.
There are differences I can find between Davis and Hepburn is that although both Yankee women, Davis never really observed the yankee way and she always was drunk with the legendary status she rightfully deserved. Hepburn was probably more of a yankee woman even though she was born to a wealthy family. Davis love to fight for her roles but at a consequence brought by her attitude. Hepburn got artistic control and said who or what is in a film before the other person even got a chance to rebuttal. Davis did it the hard way while Hepburn did her way quickly before you had a chance to say anything opposite of her way.
It’s too bad Bette didn’t follow Kate’s example by limiting herself to only one husband and having no children.
@@alpe1987 Katherine was from a rich and patrician background. Bette was not. Proper but not in the same economic class.
Katherine and Spensor were together for years. The press left them alone.
Bette used to say. that the hotel detectives would watch the stars and their boyfriends. You were not allowed to "shack up", that's why there were so many marriages those days.
Today, some stars are left alone by the press and engage in all sorts of things and maintain their boy and girl next door image. However, Angelina was not the only "other woman."
Kate's wardrobe on The Philadelphia Story are to die for
Phillip Amura 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Courtesy of MGM's Gilbert Adrian, dresser of Norma Shearer, Joan Crawford, Jean Harlow, and (less happily but just as gorgeously) Greta Garbo.
you should watch The women (1939), the costumes are amazing and designed by Adrian as well
All the movies in this era are just drowning in beautiful clothes!
The dress she wears to the party is my favorite, but Ruth Hussy's knocks my socks off.
I was waiting for your Ginger episode! She was Fred's best partner because of her acting skill. He is THE perfect dancer but is only average as an actor. She looked at him like no other dancer and he reciprocated with a joy he only had for her. A truly magical pair.
This is what modern Hollywood does not get not all of the actors of that era were good but what they did have was screen presence and charm.
Far too many serious poe faced actors today that in many instances make light hearted scenes look boring and dreary.
Films today are also just too dark in their style.
So glad to see someone actually talking about the importance of Stage Door
Stage door was an amazing movie . Loved it.
I think it’s the best film of the 1930s about female friendship, not to mention showbiz.
@@cam21333 The Women in 1939 was the best and huge all female friendship cast movie.
Ginger Rogers truly was a fantastic actress. Her performances in "Swing Time," "Stage Door," and "The Major and the Minor" (just to name a few) are testimony to her artistry. What I admire about her is that she did not play herself but was always the character. That made her maybe less "iconic" than other movie stars of the time, but actually shows a modern and selfless approach to acting. The more I go back and see of Ginger, the more I am in awe of her versatility as a dramatic actress, comedienne, singer, and dancer.
Marlee Matlin’s historic win will be so great to go over someday :)
Angel the Cinephile - Yes! I’ve been disgusted by how up until a few years ago, it was not uncommon to read critics saying her win was undeserved bc he was “just a Deaf actress playing a Deaf character”, I literally grew up reading that and thought it was normal, and with time I’ve realized how awful that is, especially after finally watching the movie and seeing how fantastic she was in it.
Anna Mae Wong. Great!
@@chucho_qmpThe problem is she has never tried to grow beyond that. Why hasn’t she taken speech therapy as many deaf have done to be able to expand her range?
@Keyth Danielsen Maybe she doesn't want to follow everyone else's path?
"Women who won't accept bullshit from their studio." Enter Ida Lupino .... along with Ginger Rogers one of my two favorite actors of that era.
"Miss Hepburn can never again win an Academy Award." Is literally the funniest thing I think I've ever heard.
Hepburn, Davis and Fontain probably split the hell out of the vote, clearing the way for Rogers.
Keegan Thorpe good point.
Weird logic
@@subliminalcity6892 How is that weird logic? It's pretty much widely accepted that that is what happened in the case of Susan Sarandon, Geena Davis and Jodie Foster...when the vote for the two Thelma & Louise actresses was split, and Jodie Foster took home the prize.
What's a Fontain???
Doubtful. That assumes a fairly even split for Rogers to still end up with the majority. If there was a split vote, it was more likely between two of those roles.
Bring on all the Bette Davis videos!
Seriously!
Yes!
In fact, it would be interesting to see videos on actors turned academy members or even just on AMPAS presidents like Bette Davis and Cheryl Boone-Issacs.
For me that year was ALL about Joan Fontaine losing for Rebecca and then winning her consolation prize the next year for Suspicion. I was basically the same as when Jimmy Stewart won for The Philadelphia Story instead of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington the pervious year.
Yes, and in doing so he pushed out the more deserving Henry Fonda for The Grapes of Wrath.
Joan should have won. I mean, Ginger is fun to watch but not the best actress that year.
He deserved it for Philadelphia Story and I will die on this hill. His character is the most pivotal element to making the whole film and its various tones hang together, it would have been incredibly easy for it to go wrong with the slightest misstep from him, and he does it so perfectly that it seems effortless and inevitable.
Or Ingrid Bergman losing out for Casablanca but winning for Gaslight the following year.
I'm an actress who loves Old Hollywood history so obviously this is my favorite channel. I look forward to all your videos thank you for doing what you do!!
Me too!
Pelakin lucah agaknya korang ni.
Same omg
Hoping for the day I get my own “be kind rewind” video lol
I'm with you. I find old Hollywood fascinating and I read and watch everything I can about old Hollywood.
Ownership gave her power (one of the strongest statements in this vid!!)
Ginger was the most natural, genuine, all American actress of the golden age of Hollywood. She was so special. I simply love her.
She was magnificent.
I have fallen under the spell of Ginger Roger's charm. Outside of Maria Callas I can't think of anyone I admire as much.
Yes! People have been sleeping on “Stage Door!”
I've always like it. Quite frankly, it's also just so nice to see an ensemble film be entirely women.
The greatest film of that era about female friendship, in my opinion.
I went and watched it because of this video, and I was not sorry. One of my favorites now. I love how most of the cast is female and they carry it so well!
Thank you so so much for giving Joan her due for Rebecca and hinting at future Bette Davis glory ♥️
Joan was brilliant in Rebecca. I always rewatch it just for her.
Aysha Zaheen oh absolutely
Mildred Pierce and and Rain , Joan Crawford.
The Pasty British Guy From Wonderwoman any of those three could have won and I would’ve been happy
The Pasty British Guy From Wonderwoman agreed!
I really like these human vignettes backgrounding 'movie stars'. Your content gives so much historical context and sets the social realities of stardom in perspective. More videos when time allows please. And getting the behind the scenes of how movies are made de-mystifies Hollywood in a real way. So thanks :)
Mark Hyde you should watch mommy dearest on the actress Joan Crawford! It’s a great movie!
I cannot believe Bringing Up Baby, one of the funniest movies ever made, was a flop.
Lew Archer 1949
“I just went gay all of a sudden” and “I'm standing in the middle of 42nd Street waiting for a bus!” are two of my favourite lines from any comedy film ever.
I know right?!
The reason Howard Hawks added Ralph Bellamy to the cast of His Girl Friday is because Hawks thought that 'Baby' was a flop because the audience had no 'normal' person to identify with.....they were all nutty! So Ralph Bellamy makes the rest of the cast in 'Friday' funnier by being a regular guy. Baby had no such character.
Many great films were flops on their original release, but grew in stature over time.
@@KngFish I had forgotten about that fact and it makes a lot of sense, when I first attempted to watch Baby I had to stop because it all seemed too stupid and over the top, then I gave it another try -with full awareness of the tone- and fell in love with it.
My first Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire film was Swingtime. Their dances had me transfixed! I absolutely love them together.
Eeeee! New Lindsay Ellis AND a new BKR video? I'm not even mad about GoT anymore. Best week ever.
haha my same exact thought too
I third that.🙌🏾
a fan of Lindsay AND BKR? yaaaaaay
I weirdly feel like Ginger Rogers and Katharine Hepburn are so underrated. I love them both so much.
Katie Hepburn always get underrated! Many men are not fans of her cos she's a very strong, dominant, modern. Not a trait men love. Well the video tells you all...I think she was even box office poison. I love Katharine ❤️
"Fix me a Bromo and put a little Gin in it. " From "The Women"
@@dollydagger4306 I like Katharine Hepburn but the reason she was never as popular as other strong female stars like Bette Davis or Joan Crawford is that she is inherently coldand quite unlikable.
@@dollydagger4306 You take a very dismissive view of criticism of Hepburn. I think that her acting range was very limited because she played basically herself in every role- a Neurotic Patrician Yankee. She made no attempt to change her heavy accent that made her dialogue difficult to understand. She was also paired with some of the greatest leading men of all time Cary, Spencer, Henry, etc. Let's see her drag John Boles or Dennis Morgan through 6 reels.
I'm not a fan of Katharine because four Oscars?! Way too many.
The story at the end showed some blatant Hollywood rivalry & how competitive it could be.
Still shocked that Rosalind Russell never got nominated for His Girl Friday! Can’t wait for the Bette Davis videos tho!
Bette Davis once said that it was criminal that Rosalind Russel never won an Oscar. Cheers.
She’s great in The Women too! Rosalind was such a comedic genius
Rosalind Rusell was AMAZINGGG..especially in HGF...she was one of the few actors who could equal Cary Grant's comedic genius. I always feel the Academy has never been kind to comedic actors, especially to women who excelled in comedy.
@@ladym.7594 Like Irene Dunne with Cary in the brilliant The Awful Truth.
@@kelseyk530 Of course how could I forget! It's criminal that Irene Dunne never gets the attention she deserves
The fact that Ginger’s comedic timing in 42nd street is still genuinely funny, not to mention the actually pretty fantastic transatlantic accent she affected as a joke, are just of the things that make her a true star in my book. It’s really difficult to portray a comedic character and still have the humorous portrayal be relevant today.
Fun fact: Ginger's middle name is Katherine.
Full name: Virginia Katherine McMath.
I think the most interesting fact about Ginger Rogers is that her parents were in such a heated custody battle that one kidnapped ginger and didn't reveal the location of their daughter to the other
Love watching Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire's dancing. Their dancing was so beautiful to watch.
Both had super powerful mothers to look up to- interestingly enough, the mothers were on oposite ends of the political spectrum, but neither were the " well behaving" types and well, I think their daughters took note of that.
Gingers mother famously endorsed the Hollywood "casting couch". She had a lot of influence over young up and coming actors in the industry because of the way she had already forged her daughters career, all the younger actors really respected her business savvy. So RKO had her teach workshops on the studio lot and Lucille Ball regularly participated in it because Ginger was her mentor and Lucille really respected Gingers mother. She encouraged those young up and comers to take any opportunity even and especially if it meant having to lay on a casting couch. There's no shame in doing what was necessary to get ahead and have a career for the rest of your life. Lucille Ball said better to lay on a casting couch then to lay on a cold hard floor.
please do Vivien Leigh!
Yes please!
Both Gone With the Wind and Streetcar.
how i love how this is channel is both a summary of the Best Actress category and the nominees but a history lesson on the reasoning behind a win
"If it's mink, it won't shrink."
lol i love Katherine Hephburn
Really? I thought it was horrendous behavior. What an absolute, thorough bitch.
Was that when Hepburn from a window threw a glass of water onto Roger's mink coat?
@@vih6650 Lol just my opinion. "Get over it."
@@minxella6764 Yup.
@@minxella6764 have you ever read that ginger affair with howard hughes while he was with katharine?
I mean it's kind of jealously knowing your bf having affair with another actress
Ginger Rogers has always been my all time favourite. Really liked 42nd Street!
I look at Hollywood in a whole new way after watching your videos
Harry - and what way is that?
I remember being a little girl watching 'Kitty Foyle' with my grandma after having only seen Ginger as an amazing dancer in (corny, yet brilliant) dance flicks, and being thrown for a loop! I haven't seen that film in about a decade or more but I still remember thinking her performance was stunning. It's a shame she is not more recognized for her dramatic acting.
Extremely well-written and assembled. Thank you for all of your hard work!
There was only going to be one winner for Best Actress in 1939. Vivien Leigh for Gone with the Wind. The others might as well stayed at home
Jane Kirk A video on Vivien Leigh is already here!
Back then they all knew who won in advance.
This channel deserves waaay more subscribers. The analytical approach, along with the narration, editing and footage is all spot on. Another really interesting, well researched and informative video! Bravo! :)
"Women who won't accept bullshit from their studio."
I love it!
Myrna Loy was the most underrated out all the classic actresses IMO.
The Best Years.. is one of the best films ever made. No WW2 film is better.
I agree with you. A lovely warm humorous actress
You have no idea how excited I was when I saw this video as a recommendation, a new one, finally! It is worth the wait.
GINGER ROGERS was verstial talent that was MOVIE STAR material in its best sense
Would love to hear about these stories about Bette:
1951: Judy Holliday pulled a upset over Bette AND Anne Baxter
1963: Joan Crawford (Accepting for Anne Bancroft) putting her feud with Bette into the fire ever further
And my favorite part of this: Ginger naming her fellow nominees!!!
Another well-done video you have made.
Judy Holliday robbing Gloria Swanson!
@@fadhilramadhani1847 That one as well, since Bette, Baxter and Swandon all got robbed in one of the tightest Oscar races ever!!!
@@MikeSmith74653 As the narrator said, the Academy favored heavy drama over comedies. The same goes for ct to those other nominees' performances, they were not robbed of the Oscar in 1950. The great Judy Holliday gave a singular performance in "Born Yesterday" that was as nuanced and heartbreaking as those performances given by Swanson and Davis. What about Eleanor Parker, who also gave a riveting performance in and was nominated for "Caged"? Why do you not include her in the "list" of "robbed" Oscar nominees in 1950?
@@caraqueno comedy at times reigned. Agreed
Regarding that loss of Bette's at the 63 Oscars. A good point to make is that Bette diluted herself into believing she was going to win. She was that sure of herself and her performance in effect screw the other nominees because they don't count. And then Crawford accepting for Bancroft fed into Davis who convinced herself that Crawford had a hand in the loss. She was dead set on that notion until her death.
Funny how there were rumors that after Morning Glory she could never win an Oscar again, but now she has the record of most Oscar wins ;;;;) 😍
The Academy made a couple big stumbles that year. Denying the Oscar to Joan Fontaine, who gave the performance of a lifetime in Rebecca, was a crime that not even her "apology" Oscar the next year could make up for. And John Ford's stodgy direction of The Grapes of Wrath was rewarded over Hitchcock's masterful work in Rebecca.
Your videos are so damn exceptional. They should be required viewing for all film students.
I can’t wait to see videos for Kathy Bates, Nicole Kidman, Holly Hunter, Jessica Lange, Susan Sarandon, Faye Dunaway, Diane Keaton, Louise Fletcher and Anne Bancroft
Some of those actresses you listed are terrible and then some of them are just too serious and poe faced most of the time.
And most of what female actresses are staring in today are just political activist films trying to push some message about something.
Anne Bancroft was in the Golden era some of the other actresses you listed were not.
@@greyLeicester I mean correct I like all theses actress but honestly it boils down to style personal I think the actress who played catelyn stark aka michelle Fairely is spelt on and we need to set our alarm clocks on her
Love, love, love this channel!
And Ginger Rogers really DID have Oscar worthy scenes in "Kitty Foyle". 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
The Oscars used to be about the actual overall entertainment production. It meant actors could win on the basis of a good performance and being entertaining. It was in later years that all the crap started about acting performance what ever that is suppose to mean.
19:42 "so i guess the jokes on those idiots". i couldn't agree more, Katharine Hepburn was a legend
The Philadelphia Story is one of my favorites!
Ginger was amazing in Kitty Foyle. I've always thought about her as a comedic actess, but it turned out she could do so much more! Thank you for this video!
wow even in the 40's Katherine Hepburn was underappreciated. unbelievable!!!
Pink Monkey Bird I always loved her talented, intelligent and a real beauty.
Always look forward to these precious uploads!!
this is filling the “You Must Remember This”-shaped hole in my life and I’m loving it
Future video material: Notable nomination snubs?
Great channel!
Love them both - but Ginger's range has always been underappreciated - even within the Astaire/Rogers canon. Her solo number, "The Yam" would always crack up my wife and me when we watched 'Carefree' (1938); her comic timing even within the song is impeccable.
She's also very funny with David Niven in Bachelor Mother (1939).
We saw her perform toward the end of her career when she did a revival tour of 'Showboat'. She was quite elderly by then, but still magical on stage.
Talk about my day being brighten! A new video from 'Be Kind, Rewind' really made my day! And with Lindsay Ellis just putting out a new vid herself the other day, it has been a good week!
I think Ginger Rogers deserved her Academy Award for Kitty Foyle. Kitty Foyle is an excellent movie, its screenplay is written by Dalton Trumbo and displays class consciousness dramatically. I think Kitty Foyle holds up very well.
TBH Ginger wasn’t only underestimated because she was viewed as a comedian and a dancer, people didn’t really see her as an equal to Fred Astaire, even though she was the only co-star of Fred’s that shed her own light.
Ginger was not as good a dancer nor had she the exact screen presence of Astair. That is just the honest truth of the matter.
She was her own thing and people loved her for what she was and put in some great performances. It is sad that cinema has moved away from that era to the era of cynicism.
@@bighands69 No that's just your opinion on the matter. No one was, or has been a good a dancer as Astaire, he is mesmeric to watch. But outside of Eleanor Powell and Cyd Charisse (primarily incredible dancers both) I defy you to name one he danced with on screen better than Rogers was (Hayworth was no better than Rogers I would submit), And neither Powell nor Charisse bring the same magic away from the dance, because neither were remotely as good as actors.. the reason Astaire/Rogers movies clicked was precisely because she absolutely matched him on screen in terms of screen presence. She was by far the better actor. Her career is testament to that. She gave him the acting chops he lacked...she had the sass and the bite, and the vulnerability he did not have...and their chemistry together whether dancing or not, was never matched by anyone else he worked with.
@@LFire12
My point was that Rodgers was not as good a dancer as Astaire. Rodgers was more of an actor with really good dancing skills on screen.
I would say Astaire was more of a dancer who had good acting screen skills. I like both of them and I feel I am just stating the obvious but it still is only my opinion.
This is an old post. LoL, but Judy Garland was a co-star of Fred in the Easter Parade and definitely had her own light ❤️. Fred wasn't my favorite co-star for Judy, though. I like her with Gene Kelly and Mickey Rooney (of course)!
@@bighands69 I mean who was as good a dancer as Astaire.As for screen presence Ginger had Fred beat in spades my friend.
Stage Door. IF you've not seen that movie, please do. It's one of the all time greats. It literally had a cast of famous women in that movie that was like the ultimate check list, sort of like The Women!
I love Ginger and happy for her win, but Joan Fontaine probably should have won. All these women are just amazing...wish we had this level of talent in Hollywood now.
Joan "the wooden woman" Fontaine?
Awwwwwh my favorite actress ( Ginger Rogers)
Vivacious Lady was the 🎥
Interesting tidbit. As much as Ginger and Fred are magic together, Fred's favorite partner was Rita Hayworth. But then, who would not love Rita?
I LIVE for these videos! Please send a hint or two about which video is next!!!
3:14 This scene… my gosh it’s become an obsession for me. It’s so ahead of it’s time it incapsulates so much. The accent is on point, the, “Lolly!” And half attempt to go back to the accent is like, I don’t even know, I’ll put it this way; it’s the greatest scene in human movie history.
Yes!! His Girl Friday is one of the best comedies and best movies made period!
Oh, oh, OH please do one with her (Kat) and Meryl Streep in 1981!!!!! I think that would be such a compelling one!!!!
I lovelovelove Stage Door and highly recommend it to everyone!
Can you do a Barbara Stanwyck episode? Great job! Thank you!
I am obsessed with your channel. I know it's super niche, but I'd love to hear your thoughts on Kim Stanley or Geraldine Page. Thank you for all you do!
Speaking of Bette: Little Foxes plays on TCM tomorrow! My DVR is set!
That movie is everything!
I never knew this about Ginger Rogers. Thanks for this.
The song 'Let's Face The Music And Dance,' was shot in one take. They had to do it over and over, but finally, totally exhausted, they got it.
You'll never see anything like this again. Ever.
how???? how do you make me care about these wealthy white ladies from the 40s???? this was SUCH A GREAT VID
😂😂 ikr
Maybe because they were amazing
Shafin Khan - I don't think the people in hollywood are amazing in any way, they have always been a bunch of perverts, who will do anything and everything for fame and money. The industry glamorized them to the highest degree to make those people unique or especial but in reality they were/are equal or less then the average Joe. Don't let the industry fooled you into thinking those people are amazing because they're not.
What dancer has ever been rich besides prima ballerinas? Joan Crawford began as a dancer just like Ginger and she was lower class and worked herself up by sheer determination, Marilyn Monroe was also very poor growing up.
There's all kinds of social classes represented in Hollywood, even back then.
Just keep your inflammatory bigoted shit to yourself.
@@mayaa5048 Have you ever seen Ginger Rogers dance? I wouldn't refer to a woman who used to dance until her feet bleed as an ¨unimpressive pervert¨...
Thank you so much for the video essay on Ginger Rogers! I am one of those that have called for it.
His Girl, Friday is one of my all time faves, and R.R. was robbed of that nomination. I will die on this hill.
I love the asterisk at 7:27
Your videos are amazing I’m obsessed. I can see they take a lot of work so I understand why there isn’t a video up once a week. Keep going!
I love your channel. I’d love a Reese Witherspoon video soon!
Can’t get enough of your videos 🙌🏼😱 keep up the good work 😊 (and can you do a video of Audrey Hepburn plsss)
What I think makes Ginger & Fred’s dances so amazing is that, if you look at them focused on 100% critical analysis, their actual moves aren’t terribly complicated. In fact, they look almost as though they’re just randomly moving at whim. But the combination of grace, speed, and balance between moves turns otherwise clunky and immature dance moves into enchanting and intricate dances that pretty much nobody can replicate.
These videos are so exceptional it's restored my faith in what CZcams can be.
Always excited to see a new video. Great work as always. Thank you.
Marvelous as always! Keep them coming!
That was just wonderful, thanks so much !
The award to Ginger was for her accumulation of work AND her strong appearance in a modern topical movie, Kitty Foile. I think greatest award an actor can get is a great part in a great movie. Even Ginger confessed late in life that she was still looking for that part.
She was relatable.
Katharine is undoubtedly my favourite actress of all time ♥
Regina Phalange the only modern actress that comes even close is Kate Mulgrew. Even though she is a successful actress in her own right she embodies the best qualities of Katherine Hepburn.
I’ve loved every single one of these videos. Thank you so much
Thank you so much for making these videos! Highlight of my day! 🙏🏿🖤🎥
" *not the queer you're thinking of ... but if we are being honest probably also the queer you're thinking of" ... GOLD. So funny.
Awesome video. I'm so glad I came across this channel a few months ago. I love movies but I used to always dismiss the Oscars as pointless and unimportant. Your videos have really made me see how the Oscars are actually important to film history, and they tell so many great stories in and of themselves.
You're work is extraordinary. Thank you.
Although Ginger wasn't a formally a trained dancer...Fred and Hermes Pan worked with her and their hard work brought Ginger's inate talents to the forefront. Bless them all!
*a formally trained dancer, *innate
I've been subscribed for just under 1 year, I swear you never disappoint! Thank you! 🤟
I love this channel so much! Please make a podcast. So well researched. Can't get enough.
Thank you sooo much for these videos.... you are amazing!
This is SUCH an interesting and enjoyable analysis. Thank you!
You’re videos are the best thing I have ever discovered on CZcams