Did Jeffrey Dahmer's Life Experiences Contribute To His Killer Status? Jeffrey Dahmer Case Analysis
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I'm 75, raised 8 children, all successful and no criminal History...yet, I have regrets about parenting and wish I could have done better...I think all parents experience self blame to some extent.
Congrats on leaving a comment at your age without all caps
@Trey Adams that was unnecessary
@Trey Adams Hella rude and presumptuous.
A good parent, who is trying their best, will always think they can or could have done better
@Trey Adams And how many can you have? You seem to know everything. By the way, what quantitative data are you using to reach your conclusion and judge somebody else?
Child neglect must be the worst thing u can do to a person.
The second worst. torture, murder and eat the corpse is the worst.
Still dealing with it 5 decades later.
Indeed
And, it's rampant. Emotional neglect is never discussed yet it's a serious issue.
There was actually a study conducted (before this type of research became illegal) where babies were put into isolation and only fed/ diapers changed as needed. So all “necessities for survival” were met but no human contact outside of that.
Long story short, all the babies died.
I remember watching some news report when one of the victims family members was giving her impact statement, and understandably lost it. Everyone in the courtroom, except Dahmer, jumped into high alert. He sat there and never blinked an eye.
That was so bizarre! There was nothing there.
I think he didn't care if she attacked him or not. He said many times that he deserved to die and close to the end he had a feeling the end was coming and was glad. He didn't try to defend himself when he was attacked and killed.
I honestly believe he had _some_ remorse for what he did. He said many times that he was glad he was caught because he couldn't kill any more. I think he was like someone helplessly addicted to a substance and is grateful to be away from it, even if he does crave it. Whereas people like Bundy and Gacey are like those addicts who insist they don't have any problem and are proud of their behavior.
I think if he had a different upbringing, all of this wouldn't have happened.
@@wolfe6220 Yes, you are right. Dahmer was very remorseful for what he did. This is all backed up by multiple mental health professionals who did multiple sessions with him in prison. His father also didn't give up on him after he went to prison. His guilt for what he did was overbearing and he did want to die. The lowlife who did eventually kill him said that Dahmer didn't put up a fight and accepted death. Of all the serial killers we have seen in history, Dahmer is one of the saddest cases. His life could have gone differently.
@@wolfe6220 agreed that he didn’t care to live anymore, but to not even be startled by the outburst, especially when chaos erupted? So VERY strange!
@@GSP-76 Too bad he didn't feel all that remorse and turn himself in before he murdered and ate people.
I agree with you all and see a lot of humanity in Dahmer.... Although his behavior was grotesque and he was not able to feel any empathy for his victims or their families he definitely had cognitive empathy and knew mentally that what he had been doing was unacceptable and morally wrong. He understood how wrong he was to the point of wanting to end his life so he would no longer have to have an existence where he would be looked at or perceived by others as an outsider. His inability to have any emotional empathy for people or animals is just a reflection of his childhood neglect and if he had had a healthy mother or caregiver and his earliest years he would have been able to develop all the aspects of empathy that he should have.
I was shocked when I saw Lionel Dahmer giving an interview on TV. I never understood how he could be so open and talkative about Jeffrey. As a parent I probably would have been reclusive for the rest of my life.
Facts, the shame would of made me hide away
I have no doubt that if Lionel had found out what his son did ahead of the authorities, he would have hid it and tried to get his son the help he needed.. such was his unconditional love for his son
@@femipaul1595 most parents would do this
@@mynameismyname6830 I'm sceptical due to the nature of Jefferies crimes . He truly was a monster
people were making up lies about him and his wife so i think that´s one of the reasons to why he started to accept interviews
I think dahmer had very serious abandonment issues and he coped with it by killing people so they would not leave.
Spot on. I would never excuse all the stuff he did but I cant imagine being left alone in my house by myself for months as a teenager. The parents didnt even check on him, no food etc and that's so messed up. That goes back to why he was eating body parts too. He wanted that person to be with him forever in some shape or form. Serious abandonment issues
@@C-major508 that would be a dream for most teenagers, house to yourself
@@BabyMaharaja0 until it happens for months and years on end
More like a psycho narcissist but traits of schizo/bipolar,psychopathy and psychotic...some mental disorders can have traits from others to a certain degree and the MMPI test should show that as well...
I think there’s many people with serious abandonment issues doesn’t mean we’ll go outside & kill people lol he was just an evil human who honestly did not give a f***
Both of his parents seem to really live within their own worlds a lot - more than the average person. They look like they actively don't engage with the world around them because they have a lot of things going on in their own minds, which are like separate worlds unto themselves. When you look at Jeff, he also had a very detailed and well-defined internal world that had next to nothing to do with the external reality of criminal behaviour and its likely consequences. Like his parents Dahmer didn't fit into the world - the main reason he wanted to create his shrine or altar (11 victims' skulls flanked by two complete victims' skeletons and guarded by Griffin statues) was so that he had a place where he could get a sense of power and "feel at home". The real world meant nothing to him compared to his internal one.
This is an excellent analysis.
But why kill people he didn’t know. Couldn’t he have an inner World without killing them? Maybe write stories or other types of inner world experiences than killing.
@@sunnypie2 Given that there were a lot of things wrong with Dahmer from the start, over time I think he started to realise how different he was from people, especially the gregarious and active young people he consistently chose for his victims (people who bore no similarity to himself). Dancers, bodybuilders, models with great bodies - the "Chippendale Type" he so admired. Some were fathers of families - people engaged strongly in life in general. Dahmer on the other hand, from a very young age, flunked out of almost everything - only barely graduated from High School, left College in the first semester due to low GPA, was kicked out of the military, failed to set himself up in Miami where he slept on the beach, and could not establish a good career or lasting relationship. It was clear he actually had little interest in career, relationships or even hobbies (his humble aquarium was like a major turning point for him and his only normal interest). I think eventually he wanted to try to fully possess and control these people who were so different to him, and the ultimate way was to make them even more lifeless than himself. Then they would never remind him of what he never had - their fate would be worse than even his own. This lateral transference of lifelessness from himself into others, especially those with active lives, was the power and control he often spoke of seeking and achieving fulfillment from. If your main sexual interest is intercourse with dead people (necrophilia), you clearly have issues with the living - they remind you of something you don't have - a spark of life.
@@ReturnOfTheJ.D. Omg, this is the far best explanation and sums up Dahmer's personality the best, bravo. I think there are lot of factors , his DNA, upbringing, he was alone all the time and developed his twisted fantasies even more... But the main question what caused him to kill them.. He was jealous of people around him because they had everything he didn't, he was just empty shell and scary part he knew that , and he probably thought hey my life doesn't worth a thing so l will take other's life too .. He had nothing to live for and nothing to lose, so scary. He grew up without any friends detached from humans....
@@Lilly-hh9es I came to the conclusion when I realised that Dahmer was always a ne'er-do-well, a down-and-outer with complete apathy towards life, while all his victims were (strangely) young, fit and clean (no drug addicts) with big futures ahead. Dahmer was threatened by those people more than any other type of person he came across - they reminded him of everything he never had and never could have, and he eventually resolved that dilemma by killing them. It would bring them down to his level, and even the score of their lot in life compared to his. Then they'd be no more alive than him, and even more dead than him, which must have been appealing to someone of his nature. The life he had to endure, one of emptiness and nothingness, would be theirs also, and through these both literal and symbolic sacrifices, those bright stars would blind him no more.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Jeffrey not only committed his first murder the summer that his parents both abandoned him, but also that he said he did it because the guy wanted to leave and he didn’t want him to. I think Jeffrey subconsciously associated other people’s autonomy with rejection and abandonment. I think he felt like the only way he could have a relationship with someone is if they had no autonomy. He even talked about how he scattered the remains of his first victim around his house because he wanted to feel like he was always around him, and he said he ate parts of some of his victims because it made him feel like they became a part of him. I think this was a form of pair bonding for him.
this is the best theory I've heard about this! thank you
Certainly a possibility. However Dahmer also said he wanted to completely control his victims. Consuming them could have been the ultimate act of power and control over someone.
@@scottcastro9383 That goes along with what I’m saying. He didn’t want them to have autonomy.
I think that fear of abandonment compounded with his sexual fantasies and OC tendencies made the perfect storm. Orgasm creates pair bonding and him orgasming after murdering his these men probably ingrained in him the sense of reward for killing.
This is like people explaining the meaning of an abstract piece of art where the content is clearly random. It can't even be disproved
Sounds like his mom may have had borderline personality disorder. Also all that medication taking while pregnant was probably not a good idea. Good analysis
I've watched interviews and documentaries, and the Netflix series. Nothing in the world can explain Jeffrey Dahmer.
You're right!
There are many explanations.
He was just born messed up and having messed up parents just made it worse.
I think the real explanation, as boring as it is, is the law of large numbers.
Dahmer was a perfect storm, and a lot of his risk factors may have been causally independent from each other:
1) there are three hundred million people in the United States,
2) some subset of those people are on a biological path of least resistance to becoming sexually stimulated by viscera (there’s an evolutionary psychology explanation here: shininess and wetness signal readiness of the vagina for sex)
3) some subset of the general population is also prone to attachment issues because they were abandoned as children
4) some subset of genpop is prone to attachment issues because they are just “tragically socially awkward,” as Todd says.
5) some people are just high on dominance
6) some just feel infatuated with concepts of darkness and evil (Satan, movie villains…)
7) some people are extremely low on empathy for biological reasons
8) some people’s parents initiated them into the world of taxidermy hobbyism
9) some people’s mothers took teratogenic drugs during pregnancy
Given enough opportunities, or a big enough general population, at least one person if not a few people will have *all* of these traits at the same time.
It was just a perfect storm of genetic predispositions and environmental circumstances. For any one risk factor, you could always ask “but what about all the people who have that risk factor who don’t eat people?” But for every risk factor considered collectively, you can’t ask the same question.
@@jf41 Great explanation!
There's something about boys and their mothers. I always found it interesting that Jeffrey Dahmer liked his boys/men "still" (dead even) and drugged. It made me think of how he might have viewed his mom whilst growing up. She was often in bed and on drugs with little interaction with Jeffrey.
At any rate I feel bad for his dad who clearly loved him, but made enough parental mistakes that he blames himself.
Jeffrey Dahmer has a lot in common with Dennis Nilsen in the U.K. So, whatever causes this kind of unvevolved behaviour, J.D. is not the only one out there.
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After watching the series, I wonder if his lack of connection as a baby also made it difficult to know how to bond with people and how to trust . It must be devastating to have a mother not hold you or interact with you. That is the building blocks to our social skills and understanding of love. And this didn’t change as he grew. He was alone in elementary school and thought of as strange in high school. The longer you don’t know how to bond or make friends, the more foreign it would seem. To me, he was desperate to own someone so completely that they would never reject him. Dead things don’t leave. Add to that, he realized he was gay- which was not accepted at the time. It seemed like an explosive mixture of shame, yet still wanting to keep them. That’s just my feeling. He was ashamed of being gay so killing the men was like killing his own gayness. And yet he had no way of building a relationship, even if he wanted to, so all that was left was to own them and keep them.
YOU'RE DEAD WRONG! Jeff's mother was innocent and Lionel dahmer his dad was likely also a serial killer . The media brainwashed you to hate his mother too convenient and a scapegoat.
I had the same thought!
@@Mayfloweralways I wonder about the brother though. How did he turn out? He was raised by the mother. Haven't heard anything about him. Does anyone here know?
@@shirleysue228 as far as I’ve heard, David Dahmer (I believe he’s changed his name now) turned out just fine. He’s traumatized by what Jeffrey did, but otherwise he’s living a normal life. I think he did a handful of interviews back in the 90’s and hasn’t talked publicly about his brother’s crimes since. I think the difference with David is that he had both his father and Jeffrey looking out for him and encouraging him. Jeffrey was actually a decent big brother to him. For Jeffrey, the only person he really had was his dad, and even that relationship was a bit awkward. Plus, when their parents split, David went with their mom, and Jeffrey was left to fend for himself. I think that had a profound effect on Jeffrey.
One of the things that always stood out to me about Dahmer compared to other serial killers, was the fact that he needed to be drunk in order to kill. That usually isn't the case with serial killers. He was odd even amongst his own kind.
I don't think he actually wanted to do it. There's a reason he tried to supress it almost a decade after his first kill
So did Bundy, and also Nilson. Both were necrophiliacs, also.
He certainly has a high level of self awareness and never tried to excuse what he did. I found that interesting that he could objectively view what he did as monstrous and appeared to genuinely want to understand why he did what he did.
Everything about this case is crazy and makes me appreciate my own, relatively normal and boring, life.
He never enjoyed the killing he just needed the corpse. He didn't want to hurt anyone it was just an unfortunate thing he had to do to get what he really wanted. To dominate and defile their corpse
@@jekw23 Right, reminded me of Kemper. He evaluated himself and was pretty intelligent, to the extent of becoming a drinking buddy of the police. The way they can discuss it without emotion - maybe they don't experience a full range of emotions, specifically... empathy - the one that makes us human.
The problem I have is from my own experience. I think there's a serious issue with mental health care in this country. I have plenty of problems, my employer pays for 4 visits with a clinician, the first 10 minutes are spent going over insurance info, then I get cut off ten minutes early so she can prep for the next patient. How can people get better if this is what happens?
Our system is truly broken. I hear you.
What are your problems do you have friends why are you going to a psychiatrist I'm speaking as a pure novice no offense
You are so right! I had to switch insurance with a new job. The new one only pays for 30 minute sessions. I can barely warm up to someone in 30 minutes. It feels like the clock is always ticking. The mental health system is definitely broken. 😢😱
My one & only experience with a psychiatrist ,took me 35 minutes to fill out a questionnaire, the first 4-5 minutes, the Dr shushed me, saying I was ADHD or ADD ,wanted me to try high anxiety meds ,come back in a month.. Who isn't anxious or nervous about a Dr. wanting to prescribe in the first few minutes..
you are 100 pct correct. i worked at a clinic in administration position. you are RIGHT. there are thousands and thousands of therapists, the first one a person goes to is not necessarily the right one----i have seen people walk out within 15 minutes, absolutely knowing they will get nowhere with that specific therapist. I could go on and on.....always listen to your inner voice. P.S. the sessions, in my opinion are too short.
I don't believe there are any words in a psychiatrist dictionary that has a name for this type of craziness.
He was obsessed with the exorcist for a reason, the eggheads just deny it all
@@TheEbryn for what reason though?
@@konijndehaas9167 maybe he thought he was possessed
Anti social personality?
Dahmer was nothing special in way of his personality. He suffered from multiple mental diseases and most all of the professionals that worked with him in prison all came to the same conclusions. He accepted his death as well. He wanted to die for what he did as punishment. He felt remorse for his actions. Can't ask for more from a person who has done the things he did.
My husbands mom was really never affectionate nor there for him much growing up and most of his life. My husband experienced loneliness longing and abuse from others in school because he was poor. Luckily after the neglect and abuse he grew up to be loving, kind, and intelligent and is now a civil engineer husband and great father to my kids 👍👍 but I know my mother in law has regrets with him and wishes things could’ve been better for him… all parents have regrets
ALL parents have regrets. What about Chris Watts? What about that guy who ran off with, married, had a baby with, and then killed, his own daughter who had been given out for adoption? Steven Playdl I think his name was.
My mother and I had the same struggles. Especially when I became a teenager. Thankfully, we made amends a handful of years before she passed.
@@SY-ok2dq dude... orange and apples.
@@yellowdiamonddoesntapprove6632 I think his point is that not 'All' parents have regrets. He's correct.
Geez, I remember when Dahmer was arrested. I was about 19 years old at the time. It was the most revolting and horrific murders I had ever heard of. It's something that you just don't want to think about... how can someone desecrate a body in that way and do it over and over?! To have Netflix bring this all back to light. To see how people act almost cannibalistic with the details of his life and the tragic deaths of his victims is unconscionable. Some things are just better left to rest and not revisit.
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What are you doing here?
The series didn't show the more gruesome aspects of Dahmer's crimes tho. True crime has always been a major draw for audiences.
Good analysis, it's hard to imagine what would make someone do this. Thanks Dr. Grande. ✌️
Always entertaining and insightful, love your content Dr. Grande!
Dr. Grande, we used to watch you in grad school and now since I’ve graduated I still watch and enjoy your videos :) your videos had helped me out so much especially when I passed my licensure last year as a clinical mental health counselor!
Thx Dr. G. I always learn new things from your videos, even about older crime cases.
Thankful for this video Dr. Grande, I watched your previous analysis on Jeffrey Dahmer and wanted to hear more from you. Your insight and opinion is much appreciated
I’ve been waiting for you to cover the new show since I’ve wanted to see your take on it! Can’t wait for this one:)
It’s weird as someone who grew up in Wisconsin to find out not everyone knew who Dahmer was.
We had a history teacher in 2003 who would tell us stories about how they’d drive past the prison Dahmer was at back in the day (not even ten years ago at that point) and you’d see Dahmer outside planting the garden, and if you’d wave to him on the highway he would wave right back.
Oh no!
I had heard the name, didn't know who he was or what he did until I saw the netflix series.
Interesting. Makes me wonder if part of him felt he was better off being in prison, so he could not kill again. And of course, no drinking. He was probably pretty lonely too and glad for even just someone waving at him. It's a shame he didn't get the help he needed when he was young. Maybe what he did could have been avoided.
@@wolfe6220 I completely agree with what you said. I believe that if he got positive reinforcement by both of his parents regardless of what they were going through, I think he may have turned out differently. I believe that his father and mother both are somewhat to blame. His dad fed into his obsession with dead animals and such, and didn't teach him that was wrong when he was a child. His mother basically neglected him and left with his brother. I think what he truly wanted was someone that wouldn't leave his life. His parents did, and basically everyone around him did as well because he was seen as odd. He wanted that romantic partner but I also think he wanted to be in control. Lots of childhood trauma can have an effect on someone's adulthood. In a sense I feel bad for his life as a child, but he just spiraled out of control as he became an adult. I don't feel sorry for him at all after him knowing it's wrong as an adult, but he continued to do it over and over.
Wisconsin is basically Canada 🇨🇦 don’t cha know ay? Would not happen in New Jersey
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I mean he's reading off a script but ya
He did a video on him already 3 years ago.
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When you started out I thought you were talking about me. Quiet kid, interested in animals (especially dissecting them in school) and I had a double hernia operation as a kid. Thank goodness the similarities stopped there! Well there was that mannequin I bought.... uhh, nevermind! Lol! Another great analysis Dr Grande.
oh..oh
Lol
Dahmer's upbringing was not as bad compared to many other peoples' upbringings.
Dahmer's parents were bad but they did not sexually or physically abuse him. Amazing how some humans are able to do horrible acts like Dahmer did, while most people don't have those urges.
At least you bought it, he stole it from a store 🤣
@@misseli922 omg, lol . True lol
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His father wrote a book. In it he describes Jeffrey's mother as having extreme mental health issues during her pregnancy and took a great deal of medication. He also stated that Jeffrey's entire personality changed after he had the hernia surgery.
There are studies which indicate that anesthesia can be detrimental to the developing brain, as well as the aging brain... interesting 🤔
I wouldn’t give too much credence to what Jeffrey Dahmer‘s dad says. Seem like he’d like to lay a lot of the blame on the mother and he also said he would donate the proceeds of the book to the victims families and they never saw a penny.
That's what he said. Doesn't make it true. The father is a very strange man who has to control the narrative.
@@withgoddess7646 Exactly. The dad seemed cold and calculating to me. The mom had serious issues, but she does deny having seizures during pregnancy. Who knows what happened in that household, dad’s word doesn’t seem reliable though.
In this case, I think we can feel pretty sure that Jeffrey did not have two mature caring and present parents at any time in his childhood. There was a lot going wrong there.
I remember the poor woman testifying in court about her brother that Dahmer killed. I don't know what Dahmer's sick deal was, but I hope his victim's families found some peace after his death.
I'll save my sympathy for the victims.
Victims relatives always have anger, which is understandable, as they never try to understand, the other side.
Well there is a reason that forensic scientists, psychiatrists, psychologists and FBI/law enforcement try to get to the bottom of what Dahmer's "sick deal was."
When we know the contributive factors that lead to such a killer, we can prevent one before their behaviors start, or catch them before they get too far with their crimes.
It's nice that you are empathetic to the victims, but Dr. Grande's video is not about empathy for Jeffrey Dahmer. It's about understanding what creates a serial killer. That's why many of us come to this type of true crime content.
@@YTStoleMyUsername parents made them and surroundings later. End of .... And it only gets worse when it develops into mental health problem later , and left unsolved. The society still provides so little resources about parenting and how meaningful is that for the rest of our lives...
I agree ❤
@@linanicolia1363 Um I don't think they should feel obligated to 'understand' the sick fucking turd that tortured,murdered and ate their family member.
Their anger is leaps and bounds justified and no amount of 'understanding' is going to make their loved one come back from the dead
Amazing analysis dr grande. You have true skill for telling a complex story while adding clinical analysis.
Fascinating analysis, Dr. Grande!❤
You previous video on JD is also excellent!🙌🏼
Hi Dr. Grande. Another good analysis. His parents were terrible examples. Thankfully his brother was ok & continued on even through difficulties from such a dysfunctional family. Hope you're having a wonderful evening, peace to you & your Mrs. G, love, Janine Smiley🙂😀🤩😍😎🍍🍌🥝🥥🍇🍊🍉🎶🎵🌝🌞🌚🌛🌜🌙🚗🚘🏡🐧🐦
I Love so many things about you and your channel. One of them is that you actually read out comments. Thanks for this. You are the bomb.
Dr. Grande, I will probably get back lash from people for this, but I wish Jeffrey hadn’t been killed in prison. I would have loved to have known more about his thinking.
I saw Law Enforcement, etc, bringing all the stuff out of his apartment, on TV 31 years ago. I can’t wrap my head around how anyone could have done what he did.
Thank you for your analysis. 😊
So disgusting his fellow inmates couldn't stand being around him.
I’m sure Jeffery was relieved to be killed.
When I was watching the Netflix documentary, there was a scene in which his parents were fighting and his dad was leaving. It brought up almost like a flashback for me. My Mom wasn't like his Mom, but there was lots of arguing. I was totally unexpected and my mom resented my existence but she did her best. I drank for 30 years and had a very sad, small life. There was other abuse from other family members. I am so curious what makes one person turn to violence and alcohol and others, like me to sugar, alcohol but no violence. I'm sober now and my life is amazing. I forgive my family because there's no way they would have done what they did if they knew how much it was going to hurt me. They're not mean people. They just didn't know any better. The one thing I admit I get a little judgmental about is why and the hell people with these problems have children. I knew I had problems. There was no way in hell I was going to have children. I knew what I went through and how I was tortured emotionally so there was no way I was going to allow that to happen to another human being by having children. People call women like me selfish for not having children and I just laugh. It's the most selfless thing you can do to not have children when you would really like to but you know it just would not be fair to the child.
The difference between serial killers and people with heavy trauma is in the genes. Many people have the "tendency" to be serial killers but it never gets "activated" for many reasons. I'm glad you are doing better. Ignore people and their opinions about your choice of not having kids. You have a great heart despite the trauma. 🫂
There’s more to the story than any of us know
I recall watching an interview with his father and him saying that Jeffrey becoming what he became was his fault. I think many things definitely contributed to his terrifying behavior. I also think drinking throughout high school likely wasn’t helpful.
Maybe it was with Stone Phillips?
Right, who does that? How could they not know he was troubled? They had serious problems, all around sad situation.
No one is stating the obvious, his brain just wasn't fully wired from the start, anything happened after his birth is incidental
The drinking doesn't help, especially at an early age.
@@chuckrobinson599 Really? there should be a lot more cannibalistic, necrophiliac, serial killers if that is the cause
YES! Ever since the film went viral I’ve been checking your channel out to see if you’d cover him. Thank you!
Excellent job, as always! Really enjoy your videos and expertise!
I suspect the FATHER was the abusive narcissist. Victims of narcissist abuse are extremely emotionally unavailable, paranoid, and (sometimes) addicts. The Father was rightfully responsible and at least he acknowledged it. And children often idolize their abusive parent(especially if the parent is narcissist)... which makes sense for his sexual choice being men and choice of interactions violent.
100% agree with you about the father and the mom 's retreat into medication as a result. I think the dad wants to control the narrative and is over compensating his guilt by "trying to figure out what happened".
There's definitely something off about the father.
Because women can do no wrong
Don’t abandon your kids (even after 21) at any age and pay attention to their emotions. Sitting down with them and listening to their questions will resolve so much confusion in their heads, being nonjudgmental too would help. Parents are so important in our development, especially in our teenage years. If you happen to divorce but please don’t divorce your children.
Much Love. Keep up the great work.
Your analysis are always very interesting to watch. Thank you for taking the time to make these video’s.
His wiki stated that a therapist diagnosed him young with childhood abandonment and I feel like that later developed in to schizotypal personality or traits of it. he seemed indifferent to others and forming long term bonds later in life even to the extent of murdering people in his grandmothers house, but he knew what he was doing was wrong and I felt like he had mild remorse. Much different than Bundy who I would consider narcissistic
His mom sounds a lot like my mom...narcissistic, histrionic, in complete denial of how her actions affect others, and depressed. Someone with too many problems. I grew up around family arguments centered around her. My mom never did drugs; she's afraid of coffee. But she is seriously addicted to shopping and television. She doesn't think these are or can be addictions.
Parents, don't neglect your kids. They're people, not trophies or adversaries.
Same thing with my mom never flet her presence eventhough she was around me 24 7 ,she used to think her duty is to just cook in time and watch TV if she like goes shopping rest things doesn't matter
Best commentary I've heard thus far!
Imagine your compulsion to have sex with dead bodies is so strong you try to dig one out of the ground. Truly bizarre.
How a mother feels during her pregnancy is highly important for the baby's future and his/her emotions. Dahmers mother hated pregnancy period which meant the baby experienced "rejection" right from the womb and same continued after being born. That is why he was so afraid of being rejected by humans that the only way he could have someones company without being insecure was if they were dead .
It probably felt the same as his emotionally distant (dead) parents, it was something he was used to.
@@wolfe6220 yep exactly. We crave familiarity .
@@anshulmann I think that's why some people who have been abused when young tend to end up being abused in their romantic relationships. I think the abused person may have mannerisms that may be "attractive" to abusers (like they know they can dominate the party who was abused in childhood) so they swoop in and draw the less powerful party in. And once in and the abused party realizes what's truly happening, well, they are in a relationship like the one they were in when they were children. And they might regress to that totally submissive state like they experienced before.
@@wolfe6220 yeah True. That’s how we all keep reliving our trauma through our relationships until ofcourse we ultimately learn enough n break the loop consciously.
I was supposed to be an abortion and I definitely felt it if that makes sense. I don't blame my mom though I blame my father for beating her so much that she didn't want anymore kids with him and was trying to leave him. Back then it was still totally legal to beat your wife though so the police would tell my mom not to piss my dad off anymore like she deserved it. My mom finally left him in the 80s when domestic violence laws went into effect. She did her best.
I knew an older psychologist who had studied at several universities ( usually on scholarships ). He worked with law enforcement doing analysis of various violent men being held for trials, in addition to running his practice and teaching. I asked him once about men like Jeffrey, especially whether or not the parents/parent contribute to their future choices and actions. He basically said, “Oh yes.” He stated that no matter how meek, mild, patient, caring, and concerned these guys’ parents act in court while sitting in the back of the courtroom pretending to support their sons, these parents engaged in horrific acts during the upbringing of these men. Although this psychologist said you have to take their stories ( when adults ) with a grain of salt because they enjoy lying to and toying with their psychologists and attorneys, he said he’s heard some horrific tales from these men ( often told without emotion ). He also stated their mothers were very probably narcissistic, histrionic, or borderline ( cluster B personalities). Scary, if true.
I blame my parents for all my problems too
It's true. Although histrionic isn't cluster B, cluster B is probably the most destructive.
@@badxradxandy we're all sure you do, what are your real ways of acting out? I'm betting your a drunk.
Yes! There’s an interview in which JDevil said that the reason his father moved to the motel was because it was court ordered! So what did the father do to be ordered out of the home. There’s another interview where the father said he found squirrel bones in the drainage and knew it was JD. Then in another interview he changes that to bones in a bucket that made a type of musical tune when JD dropped them in. I’m sorry. The dad was also a sicko!!! Covering stuff up interview after interview.
@@chuckrobinson599 Problems from childhood aren't just acting out. One example of a problem could just be an obedience to authority and the inability to say "no." Quite sad when kids are made to walk on eggshells around their parents.
Ends up passing down mental illnesses and creating such polarizing personalities in the world. It's a shame some ppl even have kids, it's never an obligation.
Another great vid Doc!
Great analysis Dr Grande as always 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks, Doc. Great analysis. Any assistance in understanding astonishingly horrible human behavior is appreciated. Seems there'll be no lack of it anytime soon.
People blame his mother who suffered from depression but says nothing about his caveman father.
Oh my goodness!!! You explained this soooo perfectly! Thank you!
Great summary & synopsis!
Dr. Grande, thank you for just telling what he did without giving away any more information than necessary. I think this kind of restraint is what the media should have practiced when reporting about Dahmer.
This is such a sad case for everyone involved. 😭
I have been waiting for this
Whoop whoop 🙌
Hard to understand why a world brings a child into existence so that it only knows suffering and causes suffering. This world doesn't make sense.
Dr. G, You're doing that Vulcan mind meld again! I was just thinking of looking this up 2 days ago, when I found myself in a rabbit hole of sorts. TY for this upload! I cannot wait to play it;) I hope you and your team, both at work, and at home, are doing well. P.S. do you want a night-blooming cereus for your collection?
WOW…. I remember when I subscribed to you when you were 200k subs . Now you’re over a million - incredible and well deserved . Love your videos . Stay forever humble and yourself . Your channel is great !
Great analysis Dr. Grande!
I had an absent parents upbringing as did my sister and brother. Mum always hunting for a man and Dad, who played for the symphony used that as a flirt ticket for women.
Needless to say the 3 of us were neglected (clothes, food, etc) even though we lived in the respectable area of town.
I have learnt from this and try to treat my child and friends, for that matter, with the love and honesty they deserve. Life is life but we are here to love. Shalom
Dahmer is probably the most interesting serial killer because he was so self aware, intelligent, and genuinely wanted to know what made him want to do what he did. Kind of a loss that we couldn’t have spent more time studying him.
If you notice, we never really study any serial killer. We didn't study Bundy either.
Dr. Grande is not going to diagnose anyone in this video, just speculating on Jeffrey Dahmer or any situation like it.
I studied him: He is a sick creature. It’s all his parents fault, the professors’ fault, the boyfriends’s fault... yes, he genuinely was interested in his own case, because it turned him on. He wasn’t intelligent because he was driven by similar behaviors found in flies (attracted to cadavers, preferring only non moving bodies…).
This movie wasn't based off any psychiatric study, which are confidential. This movie was based off Dahmer's statements to detectives & other witnesses, which are reliable only to a point.
There were plenty of psychiatrists who thoroughly studied & evaluated those other serial psychos. But that's all confidential patient info.
Most of the other serial psychos never give either a full confession or a truthful one. Dahmer pretty much truthfully confessed, so that's the basis for this movie.
Dennis Rader (BTK) also spilled the beans truthfully to detectives, but no director with any conscience, or production company, would want to make a movie about him since there were small children who were the victims of Raders evil crimes. Any potential movie about that maniac would stir up much deserved anger and condemnation.
Edit: As for Bundy, there was EXTENSIVE study on him probably more so than any other since he was so willing to talk to anyone after the murders, but his statements are totally unreliable because that psychopath is considered to be the most manipulative of them all. He was a con man & nearly all of the psychiatrists who have evaluated & studied him as well as the detectives who interrogated him said he is not to be trusted because any attempts at him showing remorse are just another part of his MANY manipulation schemes.
@@flaccidego4291 the show was so disturbing to me because i can relate to his loneliness, drinking, and just wanting a connection, im not a sociopath though. I believe dahmer was telling the truth cuz when i got caught for my crime, i was completely honest, kind of like needing to talk to someone and be heard. I dont feel like that much anymore ever since i consistently go to the gym, but it scared me at how much i was able to relate to the show at points and understood what dahmer was saying.
I love that viewer asked for this video and you made it!!!
...an enjoyable entertaining analysis as always Dr. Grande.
Its so sad how a young man could be so neglected of love and feelings and become a monster
Exceptional analysis today Doc!
You touched on every point of Jeffrey’s life including his lack of affectionate and interested parents.
Then you added that alone would not explain his behavior. We all understand hurting, but coldness is different.
Maybe it’s just not possible to understand some behaviors but you always help us try.
I watched the first time you analyzed him the other day...love the difference of your reporting from years ago to current..
Good morning, great content
It’s his upbringing, extreme loneliness, and repression of his homosexuality that makes me really feel for the child Jeffrey Dahmer was. That isn’t to say he wasn’t a monster-he absolutely was. But I find him to be one of the most sympathetic serial killers out there because he went through such a tough time growing up. It’s quite the opposite of Ted Bundy who had everything he could have asked for and still ended up a monster. And I think it’s possible to sympathize with the child they were while still condemning the adult they became. Dahmer’s story is a very sad one. I feel like if there had been early intervention, he may never have become the serial killer he was. Another great presentation, Dr. G.
Same. He seems like he was seriously mentally disturbed.
Thank you, Dr. Grande.
Do you think early intervention or counseling/therapy could have changed his trajectory in life? Or do you think his killing people was inevitable?
I would guess it definitely would have. I think his main issues came from never having deep connections with people and poorly dealing with stressors. Unless he was born a nécropole, then that would be harder to treat
Many people are neglected, experience trauma and different forms of abuse throughout their childhood, including myself.
Not all of us end up being deranged serial killers. I'm not good with relationships and I'm mostly alone in my life, a loner with different challenges (I do have a job and other things working for me), all similar to Dahmer, but I'm not about to kill anyone.
I have gotten a lot of therapy though and still am, having several things to work on.
@@Jaksi-a , Good on you. 💝👍🏽🌎👍🏽💝
@@Jaksi-a I think his problems was definitely started in the womb and others are learned or caused by our parents.
Thanks again for an insightful and interesting analysis.❤️🌹
Time & again, Dr. Grande’s videos are factual, eloquently to the point, & impartial. Thank you, Dr Grande.
In all of the interviews I’ve seen of Jeffrey’s father, to me, he seems mostly interested in exonerating his own parenting. His father seems to do his best acting in order to attempt to convince people that he is genuinely interested in helping other parents (why he stated he wrote his book) and gaining a deeper understanding of why these horrific deeds occurred but I do not find him convincing at all. If the Netflix documentary is accurate in that Jeff’s father refused to allow Jeff’s brain to be studied, especially considering his own background in a science, that says it all to me. If he was truly interested in helping others and gaining insight why would he not allow that? Was he afraid no brain abnormalities would be found possibly indicating more environmental influence?
In the interview with Jeffrey and his father with Stone Phillips, Jeffrey seemed to be censoring himself about his childhood with his father there. I am not saying it is the parents’ fault but I certainly believe that they absolutely have culpability and I think the media is far too kind to them considering their contributions to such horrific crimes against so many people.
Maybe someday Jeffrey’s brother will speak out if he hasn’t already.
I agree with you completely 💯.
So many words to describe this person. I can’t think of anything but insane.
Your analysis, I’m sure will be thorough and decisive.
I certainly appreciate your uncanny ability to do what
you do.
Not to mention your work ethic is impeccable.
False; he was not insane at all. He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew that it was wrong. Think of another way to describe him, because that isn’t it.
Really find your analysis really intrestimg. Thank you
Always leaning from ya doc!!! Thats realy close to home for me.. im half hourish away from Akron! Every vid of yours i see i have a better understanding of things:)
He was the scariest serial killer ever due to the fact that he looked and sounded so... normal. Calm, clever, with seemingly good manners. A true wolf in a sheep's clothing.
Ted Bundy was more scary. Bundy escaped prison twice after being arrested for murder.
Ted Bundy was way worse in that regard
That’s how he was able to get away with it so long
Nobody suspected this well educated Charismatic man was so sadistic
There are alot of them out there
“Normal”? Jeffrey acted like a weirdo.
@RelaxReview you should listen to this…this is the detective that questioned dahmer and was one of the first on the scene when they arrested him in his apartment.
I enjoyed your previous videos/work on Dahmer very insightful
Thank you for making this I love your videos like this very interesting
Thank you Dr grande for this break down. You are so through in all of your videos. Considering the other notorious killers that you have mentioned in this video.. I can't help but wonder if the Dsm. In all of its revisions are constructed around these notorious killers Considering harming animals.. no empathy ect. It would be great if you could at some time comment on this type of subject. You are clearly the most dedicated , reliable and dependable physicians on utube.
Good morning Dr Grande, happy Thursday. Great analysis of Dahmer. I remember having a Psychology instructor saying Serial killer do not see human victims as human but rather the word human being.
The contrast to how concerned his father was compared to his mother speaks volumes. Most normal people would be horrified if their child did a fraction of what Dahmer did. Lionel at least tried to make some sense of what he could have done differently, and the sad reality is that he did his best. The one who should have had similar thoughts but didn’t associate herself with this is Dahmer’s mother. It’s likely the lack of maternal care had a big impact to Jeffrey’s social skills, typically, mothers spend the most time with their babies’ early years and has the greatest influence in childhood development. Dahmer could have likely had other contributing factors, like genetically bad combination, but the lack of concern from his mother probably triggered certain resentment that escalated him to become very dark.
U would think he would target women that remind him of his mother.
But if he has to ask himself, "Should I have completely abandoned my child like that?" he really isn't a better parent because he shouldn't have to ask such a dumb question. He's just as bad.
Recent studies about psychiatric med use and even neuroleptics used for migraine also suggest that fetuses so exposed also have neurological biochemical disorders. Apparently his mother was on multiple meds during her pregnancy with Jeffery. Sociopathy and psychopathy also have a biological component not always explained by their parental units good or bad parenting.
This one put me off my Captain Crunch Doc. Astute and accurate as always Doc. Thanks young lad.
I feel bad for his mother. Having had seizures during pregnancy and suffering from post-partum depression... then to have her husband sit there and bash her, calling her a pill-popper, hypochondriac and everything else. She later went on to work with HIV/AIDs patients which is not something a hypochondriac would do back then. She died in 2000 and her asshole ex-husband continued to push false narratives about her to make her sound batshit. He clearly wants people to think she is to blame for Jeffrey's behavior. I hate how she was portrayed by Netflix but then again Lionel Dahmer was consulted for the series, so not surprising. Don't believe everything you see on a show.
Typical woman, sounds like you're excusing for a poor excuse of a mother.
She abandoned her son in a house all by himself in teenage years. She was a disappointment of a mother. Don't defend shit parents :\
I often wonder if that jogger realised- years later- that he was the one who would have been Dahmer's first victim?
That's an interesting thought. I bet he's so pleased he didn't run that day!
Or maybe he would have kicked Dahmer's ass.
Wow DeShawn, good question. Never thought of that.
My father ran marathons and jogged past the Daumer house many times. He may have been the one Jeffery was after, but in the late 70s jogging was a popular fad.
Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about the strangest episode of 'Iron Chef' like this.
Haha
This analysis was great as always but left out the (well, one of the) craziest parts where he tried to lobotomize that poor boy. The boy escaped and was found by Jeffery's neighbors. The cops were called but they eventually left the boy with Jeffery after he convinced them they were in a relationship. The boy was killed shortly after the cops left.
He touched on it in his previous video on Jeffrey
So ballsy of him to still kill that boy even after that close call. Knowing he’d be missing. Then again maybe he felt there was no going back after he drilled a damn hole in his head. Out of all the prolific serial killers, this man will always confuse and fascinate me the most.
Crazy thing is that the 14 year old’s own BROTHER was targeted by Dahmer previously….imagine that
*edit for which I believe Dahmer was arrested for. Similar to the Gacy and Bundy cases, there were so many missed chances by law enforcement
Dahmer moved into a poor neighborhood predominantly populated by people of color. I don't think the Milwaukee cops gave 2fux about that boy or any of the people living in that section of town.
The victim's name was Konerak Sinthasomphone. The police had some recorded conversations that were very discriminatory.
He gets no grace from me. I had a horrific childhood! I never wanted to kill or eat people. He was cool and calm enough to come up with a lie about a 14 year old child only to use the stupidity of the officers that showed up and used that to turn around and kill that child! He gets no damn grace from me. I said what I said!
Thank God one person among so many who isn't pulling the sympathy card for Jeffrey dahmer. I hold sympathy for the 16 male victims that he targeted. RiP
@@shimmer8289 Amen🙏🏾🙏🏾
Totally agree. Who roots for such a narcissistic monster? Blessings to you
He had mental illness that should have been addressed from a young age with diagnosis, CBT therapy and medication...lack of parental observation and care in getting him help...my condolences to all the victims families...😢😢😭😭🙏🙏
I completely agree 💯
Dahmer's sick desires are nowhere near as rare as we think.
But most people with his desires will never kill anybody, so nobody knows about it.
Or it could be those people just haven’t been captured yet. Which is the scary part
It is also probable that his desires became sicker and homocidal by surpressing his homosexuality. There is at least one other serial killer, Jürgen Bartsch, where this definitely played a huge role.
I went and rewatched your first video about him!
I just had a thought: what if, upon indictment and incarceration, serial killers WERE REQUIRED, to submit to research. Not nazi-level stuff. I mean, RESEARCH, as in MRI's, etc. I just read a comment about how his brain was NOT preserved. I don't think preserving a dead brain is helpful, but I DO think that studying them while alive would be extremely beneficial, over time, in getting a more precise understanding of these frequently complex individuals, that doesn't ALWAYS start with bad parenting, as much as we would LIKE to blame them.
I don't think you could learn much of relevance from stuff like scans. Much too reductionist.
His life experiences obviously contributed a lot more than genetics, or any sort of inborn peculiarity or defect. Scans may very well have shown a perfectly typical brain.
Their ego would love the attention
@Wicker 2 I was listening to a radio show this morning that was talking about childhood trauma and intergenerational trauma. The man being interviewed described it super well with a sports reference, he compared the traumatic event as a cross-check or a tackle, and the trauma response as a concussion. The internal response of an incident often plays more of a role in future health/well-being of a person than the incident itself. So perhaps although JD's may not have suffered the worst things to ever happen to someone, it's how his brain responded to the situation that made him into the monster he was. 🤷🏼♀️ Or not, but who knows. Definitely an interesting angle to consider.
Dahmer was cooperative in this regard and genuinely puzzled by himself - which is another thing that makes him an unusual serial killer. But he was murdered in prison quite quickly as we know.
We all highly appreciate your analysis on Jeffrey Dahmer’s upbringing and lifestyle. He has layers to him. On top of that, Dahmer possessed complicated traits and characteristics. His crimes were horrific. Individuals like him were unforgivable. The victims’ families still have some trouble recovering from all this. Overall, Jeffrey Dahmer was messed up. He’d been through some serious issues in his life which may have contributed to his rage.
you know there is a dahmer series on netflix and the libtards are going crazy cuz they tagged it as lgbt
@@dr.moxley554 did you know no one gives a shit about your biased beliefs regarding politics?
@@dr.moxley554 indeed that Community would identify with a necrophiliac serial killer lol
I think Jeffrey dahmer was messed up goes down as one of the great understatements.
he did for sure..but he deserved what he got. also Very disturbing how many times he could have been stopped
I just watched his story on Netflix. it might have contributed to some of his behaviors. But definitely not all. He still needed to be held accountable. No excuses. Many people have had way worse parents, and didn't do the crazy things he did. This was all free will, despite how much time gave him rise to have his own desires, when left to himself.
Free will is a bad philosophical argument in my opinion. He obviously had genetic and environmental reasons. He lacked impulse control which is consistent with psychopathy.
The mother might have had genetic issues she passed on as well. Just a reminder no matter what the society or circumstances some people are just dangerous.
I agree. He made choices, as we all do. We all have an inner monster, it's what you do with it.
He said the same of himself; your point?
I just saw episode 1...i almost threw up. Some sick shit!!! Not even the neighbor put one plus one together to have known he was stocking up dead bodies.
Dr. G, I scrolled past this story when it popped up, no interest in such things, too revolting.
But I went back because it was you, and wasn't disappointed. Your presentation reminded me he was a human being.
Thank you sir.
Thank you, Dr Grande
I managed to get through it because I knew you would handle the topic well.
What I always wonder in this case, how did he get away with it for so long. The police were stumped as to where all these people went missing.
The police pretty much botched any opportunities to stop this each and every time. From the time the first cop stopped him at 3am with the chopped up body in garbage bags in the back seat, to handing him over the 14 year old, the one guy (last name Flowers)!who was drugged and sa by Dahmer and (luckily) woke up alive in the hospital (he reported Dahmer to the police, nothing was done) to the last guy who escaped (Tracy) with one handcuff on his wrist: the cops were trying to ignore his complaint as a whole gay/sex role thing. If I lived in Milwaukee, I'd move out ASAP ...
Most of his victims were poc and gay, cops weren't going to look too hard for them. Just as they ignore missing indigenous women and children today.
Privilege and racism. That’s how!
I like to watch your videos every night before sleep. Your voice is sweet . Greetings from Brazil 👏👏