What is real? Third gate possible? | Complete tour around Disneyland Forward sites
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
- We have our approval from the city of Anaheim. Disneyland Forward IS ON. Let's take a walk ON LOCATION around each of the proposed expansion sites for Disneyland Forward. Simba Lot, Downtown Disney Lot, Disneyland Hotel lot and the Toy Story parking lot. We'll walk the sites and plot where things might appear while talking about what is possible, and what is not possible. Third gate? Eastern Gateway? Gardenwalk? What is happening in that space between the lots at Downtown Disney?!
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All I know is that with all the future construction, Earl of Sandwich is going to be moved another 3 times.
The owners must be super patient to tolerate that kind of treatment.
Only 3 times?
I heard the latest plan was to stick EoS up in the Matterhorn basketball court.
I would be very disappointed if Disney blows the Toy Story Lot land on a shopping center instead of a third gate, when GardenWalk is right there prime for retail redevelopment!
I hope I get to see some of this before I die! 😂😂😂 In all seriousness, I have worked in the Construction field for 18 years and this had to be the most interesting construction video, ever! What a way to bring all the concept arts to life, David!!! This was awesome!
55 HOPING ALSO
You won't. You'll be watching Disney broken up under antitrust and the demise of Galaxy's Edge and all things Marvel and Pixar.
Pathetic.
@@stanfordite1 I think Igar has this plan written down in his Satan-diary
@@stanfordite1 I think it's time indeed, that the anti trust legislation is getting out into the media industry.
FRESHBAKED at this point should have millions of followers along w/ a say in official Disney decisions in my book. Def represents real frustrations & hopes for Disney of the people better then any Board/CEO does.
Haha I agree!! I think he shares the same sentiment as us when he said “I’d jump into traffic for the WDC” but also being upset at how things are being run and the stupid cost-cutting measures while also pricing out the average family 😵💫
These videos give me real hope for the Disneyland Forward project as a whole so we thank you for all that you do David. I will also note how great it will be to finally get some of those good old fashioned bird’s eye views of the construction progress from Pixar Pals/Mickey & Friends parking structure as we did back when SWGE was being developed/constructed. That view at the end was a wonderful reminder of that exciting time for us fans.
And once Disneyland Forward is finished, then they'll start on a new Tomorrowland.
so sad, and i hope not true. they need to make sure the existing parks are maximized and in good shape before moving forward. tomorrowland should be first on their to-do list.
And Disneyland Forward will never happen. Tomorrowland under my management will go back to 1967 to make it great again.
I'll be a ghost by the time this all happens.
I plan to hang out and visit from another dimension. 😂
Hey Brickey has great ideas on how they are going to do it and with zoning info. This is all very interesting to hear the ideas you all have!!! Very excited!!! But 40 year to complete it all :( I will be 88 LOL.
I'll be 111!
I def like Hey Brickey’s ideas. They make so much sense.
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Hey Brickey did the same video like a week ago
And your point is?
@@WindowtotheMagic maybe newer information would be nice other then repeating someone else's content i know it might be a wild idea
Exactly @thelocknload
This Disneyland forward Excites me so much I'm so looking forward to this
I really appreciate this, I was having a hard time mapping the concept art to what's there right now. You did all the work! Thanks!
Looking forward to watching all of Fresh Baked's coverage! This was a great video!
So much to ponder. Not just a big wide open space. Lots of planning and details. But... Disneyland OG is the best... tight and original and no far flung pieces to transport to.
Wow, thank you for this amazingly informative video. The use of maps, visual, markers, acreage, overlays, size comparisons, and overall quality is unmatched. Thank you for all of the hard work you put into this video. We are looking forward to Disneyland's expansion. ❤
One of your best!
Verrrrrrrrry interesting. All I can say is that I’m excited!! Thanks for the updates Fresh Baked!
They should put the power lines underground.
Great video Fresh Baked. Very informative getting a on the scene perspective.
I stay at Kings Inn Anaheim right by the GardenWalk. I love being able to walk to the Gardenwalk and eat at Johnny Rockets or the Cheesecake factory, or purchase Starbucks for my wife. There's usually no one there, so the restraunts really cater to you and it's always quick.
HERE WE GO! FRESHBAKED!
I always park at the Garden Walk parking structure but I’ve NEVER EVER been into the actual place 😂 Always just stop by to walk to Disneyland for lunch or something when I have a reservation.
Love your channel ❤ love this topic so much could watch this for hours
FANTASTIC video! I watched it three times!
Great future construction walk-thru David. I'm sure something will happen, but not in my lifetime. I love that Disneyland is always changing! Thank you for sharing, FreshBaked!❤
In the final Disneyland Forward proposal, Toy Story was quietly designated as "Theme Park East". I belive it was multi use before that.
It will be zoned as multi use yes. But the noise ordinance will still be an issue
@FreshBakedDisney Side note. Thanks for stopping to talk to me at dca Friday. It was great finally running into you. I was the guy over by the Theater/Mission Breakout.
Thank you for this gives more of a perspective of future spots
Awesome analysis! Thanks for all the work you put into this video.
Dave, I hope you and your family are doing well. Just wanted you to know that the Disney content you put together always brightens my day! Keep up the great family friendly content. Peace! 🙏
Great video, but I believe that the first thing that they will do is build the Parking Structure on the east side, behind the hotels on Harbor Boulevard. They can't build anything on the parking lots until the have a replacement for all those cars to park.
A conversation we go into in detail in this video.
@@FreshBakedDisney Yes, I wrote the comment before you got to that point of the video. My bad.
Thanks for this!
Great video David if walt disney was around he would be walking around like you are doing creating ideas and plans but amazing video keep up the great work
This is great David-love the insight.
Thanks!
Great overview Dave!!
Thank you for posting this. I've always been curious to see how much land they actually have to expand.
🎉CAN WAIT FOR ALL THE NEW CONTENT
Excellent video, David!
I've been watching you a long time, David. You've come a long way, baby. This was an impressively good video. 👍
Duck zoo
It’s giving Brickey 😂
I was about to say the same thing.
@@chrisxglassthe same title even!
Always liked the yellow hoodie. Surprising you can still wear it n late spring.
I gotta say this video was super well made, pretty impressive actually
Aw... that hotel David mentions that got torn down to act as a gate for the Harbor parking lot was called the Carousel Inn. It was my favorite!
A good companion videos to this is Hey Brickey’s Disneyland Forward series. His are a bit clearer vision.
22:00 the parking beyond the berm is parking/ water retention pond with all that blacktop the water can’t rush out all together so that parking area has the ability to flood and release water in a controlled manner… pretty cool!
Thank god for other theme parks that dont have to go through what Disneyland is going through i feel bad for Disneyland this is why Disney tickets are up because there to busy to keep up with Disney World or try to be bigger then Disney World love you fresh baked
This is such a massive bunch of projects and will surely change a thousand times before anything is completed, but it's exciting to think about.
I will be at Disneyland this Saturday I hope I see you over there
Oh my gosh!! Was waiting for a video like this to break it down on the possibilities of how it would probably look when Disney expands. Overall I Love the vid!! I’m just sad that Toy Story parking lot will be gone. I love parking there. Don’t like parking structures because it’s a pain when I want to leave. Toy Story is so easy. 😁 I will be watching this video again! Thank you!!!
LOL! I’m 67. I’ll be gone before it’s done. So sad!! I hope some is done in 10 years! 😳
Replacing the convention center with a parking lot is losing a huge revenue source. So I think the “Disney Springs” Toy Story lot space is the replacement hotel and convention center. This is a great video. Such fun to speculate and validate! Thanks for the footwork!
It will be interesting to see what Disney says at D23 if anything at all. If they're in the mindset to get avatar fully built and open by the time the 2028 summer Olympics come to LA then they would have to start building it starting next year. But who knows. I enjoyed this entire video.
Great video Dave! Hopefully it gets done in my lifetime. Lol
I remember when the GardenWalk was a field of weeds.
Ok Fresh Baked! Now my head is just spinning.
They should add a People Mover as part of the Avatar Experience.
Nice walk today. I wonder where the RV parking will go? Thank you for your updates
300 feet is the set back, for residential area zones on Disneyproperty.
Use the new Disneyland Hotel tower as a guide to see an example of the set back. (not the step up part, but the tower).
The GardenWalk is zoned for Vacation Club use
haha oh man I just booked a trip and am staying at the JW, didn't realize it was in garden walk xD gonna have to stay up to date with news before I go!
Great vid. Re-themed/covered Disneyland drive will connect the north and south areas bypassing Downtown Disney all-together. Toy Story definitely will be 'themed' resort hotels--last chance for Disney to do this in 'urban' Orange County. How 'bout a high capacity skyway
to move guests between Toy Story & Disney 'proper'.
Eastern Gateway will have a walking path and a high capacity people-mover between parking and bag-check.
I do think that the Disney Springs-esque idea for the Toy Story parking lot doesn't necessitate squandering it forever as a 3rd gate opportunity. The truth is we don't really need a 3rd gate right now, DCA isn't 100% maxed out yet, the transportation hub moving would open an additional opportunity for it, and we're looking at another 4-6 lands between the two parks in that side of this project alone. That's not that far off than the total amount of expansion we've had since DCA opened (which debuted with only 4 lands itself, although that was a mistake). They have enough space for enough new ideas to continue to drive park traffic without even needing to tap it yet. Although, they could generate a lot of retail income and the resort is desperately in need of more Disney hotels, so that's a pretty good temporary use.
They can easily spend the next few decades using the Toy Story lot as a retail/hotel district and then modify that for theme park use once they've actually run out of space, particularly for a 40 year vision. By the time we're even halfway through that timeline, it wouldn't exactly be absurd of them to close the existing spaces given they'd have lived a significant life already. We watched them close a solid portion of Downtown Disney for a hotel project less than 20 years after the area opened.
At that point, they could even revisit the Garden Walk as a purchase option, or look into purchasing more land in the surrounding area to remove buffer concerns (notably the adjacent hotels that do occupy significant space on some sides of it), or they could just go ahead and create a smaller park akin to what we're seeing Universal do in Texas. Nothing they're proposing in the concept art (except maybe the lake) would be particularly difficult to tear down and revisit down the line, and as David pointed out, they don't even seem to be using all of the space even with the buffer concerns.
The ‘new’ Hotel (Disney Springs). Idea… make it a wedding venue, with chapel and reception halls! The number of Disney weddings could fill the park!
I'll be dead by the time they are done 😂😂
Put the parking structure above ground and the convention center under the parking lot. By the time this all starts we are going to have atleast one if not two more Avatar movies so it could fill a whole land with many parts of avatar.
The space in front of the hotel, by the convention center at 18:00, Iit looks like it could be a walk way space, similar to the space they have between the hotel and pool space. Maybe even a small pond of some sort? I'm excited for all this!
More Disneyland Forward content please!
FRESHBAKED is DISNEYLAND!! Can't wait to see your construction updates as part of Forward!!!!!!!!!! Those are going to be TIGHT!
Close to 200k 🎉
From a design standpoint they are going to need to put super e-ticket “must ride” attractions in these areas to draw crowds this deep into the areas.
For me GardenWalk is a parking lot for when I want to go to the parks for a few hours. I have maybe been to the shops there once.
Hey Fresh Baked!!
I see what you did there! Hahaha 😉
If we're talking about a 30-40 year plan, who's to say they can't move Downtown Disney to the Toy Story parking lot, and remake the current Downtown Disney space into theme park? I feel like we need to look at the long-term plan instead of what we see today. In 20ish years, the "new" Downtown Disney is going to start looking outdated and moving to a new hotel/shopping area might be attractive. And, since they already have the parking and transportation from the Toy Story lot, I could see that being developed down the road and in the meantime absorbing the other parking lots (except the DL Hotel lot) until the Eastern Gateway is completed. I love speculating on what might come next, and hope I live long enough to see it! Thanks for the very thoughtful and thorough video!
there are 3 marriotts on property in florida. perfect fit.
I do hope that whatever plans they make still allow east side hotel patrons to enter via harbour, it’s such a convenient and more affordable area to stay!
I think a Polynesian themed land would be awesome and could transition quite well into avatar potentially. It would be so cool to get LILO and Stich attractions as well as Moana.
Nicely done. There is already a bus that takes you from Toy Story to the gates so they could expand that to take folks back and forth to a 3rd gate?
David, have you seen the videos of Tokyo Disney Springs? It's amazing!
As I watch, I’m thinking to myself this is going to be a documentary on the past pretty soon. Be like DCA all over again, but way better.
the Monorail is the best option for the DLR
Something purely aesthetic I would love to see from Disneyland Forward would be the undergrounding of the high-voltage power lines that run right in front of California Adventure and around the perimeter of the Simba Lot. Undergrounding those lines would be extremely expensive but would substantially improve the look in this area (and the view from Paradise Pier), and would increase the amount of buildable land in the Simba Lot.
And it’s safer for fires
@@sierramist3249 Fires are not an issue in this area due to it being urban and meticulously landscaped. But undergrounding the lines would solve a number of issues including the potential ability to extend the monorail down to the Toy Story Lot for a 3rd park, or Disney Springs-type development, and access to the southern part of Disneyland Forward, etc. Also expanding the footprint/backstage developable area for DCA and DCA-DLF areas.
In regard to the second entrance issue, what if they added a transport option? Kind of like the Hogwarts Express in Universal Orlando that connects DL and DCA for park hopping, then you maintain one entrance.
Dave,
Fantasy Springs is a fascinating addition to these speculations. It is about 15 acres (not counting the new hotel), and it is a kind of "uber land" that encompasses three small lands in about the same space as Galaxy's Edge. The three IPs in FS are close enough in tone that they don't need huge thematic transitions between them. Looks like a design success to me.
While Avatar would need to be its own separated thing, perhaps there are other IP's that could flow together with smaller footprints like at Fantasy Springs.
@3:19 concept art shows two show buildings with a connector between the show buildings. there is walkway for guest access to DCA to the east over Disneyland Dr between the two buildings.
@12:49 the Downtown Disney Monorail Station is not shown?
@26:24 looks like a new mega parking structure on the eastern side of the Katella cast member lot.
Also the Landlines they need to have that Space clear from buildings also 5:33
I often stay at The Holiday Inn on the backside of Mickey and Friends parking. So I walk up Magic Way to go into to the resort and I can attest there is hardly ever traffic on Magic Way. If there is it is Disney Hotel Guests or Yard Crew with a cop and a maintenance vehicle just parked in the middle of the street.
They should build 2 more Haunted Mansions and 2 more Pirates of the Carribeans rides in the parking lot so the lines won't be long! Fresh Baked!!
Potential things I don’t think you mentioned: I believe that the GardenWalk property is also zoned for time shares that haven’t come to fruition yet. We know Disney loves to create more DVC space and this land is already zoned for that so that would be a huge win for Disney. Also if Disney did buy GardenWalk, is there anything stopping them from buying that hotel? Keep in mind that what is now the Pixar Place Hotel wasn’t always owned by Disney, they acquired that one in the late 80s or early 90s. Hell, Disney didn’t even own the Disneyland Hotel until they bought out the Wrather Corporation (also got them the film rights for Lone Ranger, and the Queen Mary and Spruce Goose). If they were to put a 3rd gate at the Toy Story lot, the easy solve for the noise issue would be to have rides with large show buildings (a la Pirates, Indy, Rise, Runaway Railway, etc) line those boundaries. As well as backstage facilities (offices, maintenance, costuming, etc). They could also do the Hotel as a berm concept like Grand Californian. I just have a hard time believing they would open a new shopping district on the Toy Story Lot instead of theme park use. Also one thing to keep in mind, there are 2 roads that intersect the Toy Story Lot; Clementine would cut through North to South if the City wanted to complete it, and I believe going East to West it would be Gene Autry Way in the East and Hotel/Convention Way on the West (I’m not as clear on that one). I’m fairly certain the stretch of Clementine that cuts through the property was privatized with Disneyland Forward, but I’m not positive if the East/West road was too. That said, I can understand why Disney would have been more willing to tease a shopping district if they didn’t know for sure they would get to privatize those roads because while they are public, the city can decide to just clear cut and make the connecting roads. So why build a park when that could happen. But if both roads are privatized now via the Disneyland Forward vote, then Disney would be far more free to do a park over there without worrying about the city mucking things up in the future. The planning department document dated October 2021 does indicate those roads would be included.
What they need to do is spend the money to fix the maintenance on all of their current attractions also pay their CM better also no bonuses for executives like for example Bob Iger
I agree that a third gate is very unlikely.
Would love to get the new tangled, beauty and the beast ride, or something big hero 6
As much as I am excited about Disneylands expansion, I am on the fence about the proposed concept art for it. Financially it makes more sense to use the Toy Story lot as a third gate. Expanding to a third gate and the ability to charge for that as well as enticing guest to stay longer and spend more money beats higher prices for two parks. I just don’t think it makes sense to turn that lot to be a shopping and hotel space. Disney will not get this opportunity again and to squander it with adding to existing parks and expand shopping and hotels in a larger space just doesn’t work. I hope that the concept art was just to sell the idea but an entirely different plan is in the works.
My bet is that Disney's endgame is to split the 3rd gate between the Disneyland Resort parking lots and the Toy Story lot. Maybe connect them with an enclosed PeopleMover, Monorail or underground transport? (I know it's in earthquake territory haha). But this would give them enough land to legit charge for a 3rd gate, and that itself would bring a lot of $$$. Guests would buy another ticket, stay an extra day, one more night in their hotel, etc.
Gardenwalk is such a beautiful mall. It's baffling that it isn't more vibrant. I guess it just pales in comparison to the Disney offerings? Otherwise I can't imagine why locals don't value it more.
Dang simba lot is so massive. Incredicoaster looks so tiny from out there. Even pixar place hotel looks small. Despite the size of the towers, foreground trees and structures would do a lot to hide them. Already impressed by how much a wall of treesout there can completely hide this stuff. They coukd fit pandora, peter pan or a moana volcano or both, coco and encanto, and still have room left over. Will make dca feel absolutely massive. Would love pandora in the southeast corner of simba so it isnt too far away from the park. And disneylands expansion being 26 acres... wow. If galaxys edge is 14 qnd that land is pretty much understood to be too large for one ip, im imagining 5 acres for some lands, 10 for the largest of them, so 3 to 5 lands.
As for that sort of blended dtd slash theme park space in the center, i imagine disney would just take a page from fantasy springs and have those floral rockwork facades and fountains. They blend well with dca/grizzly peak, and they blend well with the ip/fantasyland/disneyland stuff. Just a very expensive and beautiful way to do disney resort grounds, at a resort that has typically kept things modern outside of the theme park gates.
Final and less important thought, i hope disney saves all the trees in the parking lots to reuse in the lands. They are huge!
Great video. Hope the Toy Story lot is a third gate because why would they build a fancy hotel attached to another Garden Walk. Westcot?
I would love to see Zootopia at Disney’s California Adventure replacing the Hollywood backlot
Look at how much land is available on the West Side if you remove the current Downtown Disney and Pixar Place Hotel (even more if you remove the old Disneyland Hotel towers).
One possibility not being discussed by fans, is that Disney could build this in stages, land by land, initially as an expansion of the current two parks, but when fully built out in 20 years or so, it could become a full third park. The last piece in the puzzle would be the removal of Downtown Disney to make a new sort of "Main Street" for the third park. Disney doesn't have to commit to that yet though. They could just start with the expansion idea, and see where things go.
I would hope that they will build transport from DCA to the new area, like People Mover or SkyWay
Regarding the area where the new construction is at Downtown Disney (44:00), in the concept art, there actually is a demarcation between the 2 sides of the Disneyland hotel that shows that area as a sort of "Gateway Plaza" where there will be turnstiles to enter the new lands on either side. In fact, the new "bag check" area being constructed now could possibly be one of two future turnstiles to enter the new lands from the inside. Currently will be used to allow guests to enter Downtown Disney but may eventually be used in reverse to allow guests to enter the park expansion from inside Downtown Disney. That's been my guess, anyway....
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