What Do The FD Judges Have Against Dean Karnage..?

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • The FD Judges must have something against Dean with this one. Is the scoring system of Formula Drift hard to understand? What's your opinion?
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    THE FOOTAGE NO ONE WAS MEANT TO SEE..:
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Komentáře • 315

  • @MisterMonsieur
    @MisterMonsieur Před rokem +167

    The judges are TRASH in FD! Just ignore 'em, do your best for yourself and appreciate your fans ... embrace their good vibes! ✊😎

    • @austinmoore5334
      @austinmoore5334 Před rokem +8

      To be fair, tuerck clearly had a waay better lead while they both had issues with chasing. Would you consider the little lack of proximity by tuerck and being low while chasing on first zone to be enough to offset dean leaving the first zone early and completely missing the first inside clip while leading and then going extremely wide and losing proximity during transition to the 2nd zone chasing? Just curious. Im a fan and want dean to win, but everyone watching this has a clear bias for Dean ignoring his mistakes also. All that said i think with tuercks chase there coulda been a one more time.

    • @theroyaladventure4197
      @theroyaladventure4197 Před rokem +6

      I feel like he was robbed of the OMT

    • @austinmoore5334
      @austinmoore5334 Před rokem

      @@theroyaladventure4197 Fair, I'd need to read up on exact scoring and values of angle/proximity compared to how much mistakes in zones can cost. I think it could definitely have been a one more time, but in my unprofessional opinion seeing the amount of mistakes by both, seeing tuerck get given the win isn't one of the craziest most outlandish calls ever made. Some mistakes tuerck made in the chase could possibly be chalked up to deans mistakes in the lead.

    • @theroyaladventure4197
      @theroyaladventure4197 Před rokem

      @@austinmoore5334 also true. But I don't feel like he would have been able to compete with that much damage in the engine. Based off the info given at the end of the video.

    • @austinmoore5334
      @austinmoore5334 Před rokem

      @@theroyaladventure4197 true but thats a part of motorsports and not really a reason to discount the mistakes and call for a one more time. Sometimes part failure can take you out of the game before getting a chance to be as competitive as you'd like or even compete at all. Its definitely one of the most frustrating parts of motorsports. The car matters as much as the driver.

  • @chubzero3635
    @chubzero3635 Před rokem +26

    Man I love whenever you interact with JD 😂 nothing like Irish shenanigans

  • @Nismospec52
    @Nismospec52 Před rokem +19

    The fact that Dylan Hughes advanced with an almost practical straight line to the finish blows my mind.

  • @Calebj18
    @Calebj18 Před rokem +6

    I can’t be the only one that’s voicing against the judges saying Dean is not getting a fair shake in these laps he’s been putting up this year. It’s ridiculous

  • @BubbaGTi
    @BubbaGTi Před rokem +7

    You're not Matt Field or Chris Forsberg 😂

    • @TheXshot
      @TheXshot Před rokem +3

      Glad I'm not the only one who noticed lmao

  • @MisterMonsieur
    @MisterMonsieur Před rokem +7

    Dean, *THANK YOU* to you and Rachel for the life-saving water (and the lanyard/ keypatch) at Orlando last week! 🙏

  • @UrbanMenace0187
    @UrbanMenace0187 Před rokem +13

    Loving the content Dean, FD is corrupt and doesn't mean shit in the fans eyes, its an expensive scenario thats already biased. Even a viewer can see that trash occurring. Heaps of fans from New Zealand appreciate you bro. Keep up the good content.

    • @BangermanProductions
      @BangermanProductions Před rokem +2

      NZ fans for the win bro !

    • @jasonpickens9839
      @jasonpickens9839 Před rokem +1

      ​@@BangermanProductions wonder what DK, DH and JD were chatting about at 14:59. Must seem a bit surreal to come from D1NZ and be hanging out chatting with potentially the GOAT drifter.

  • @chaosphere390
    @chaosphere390 Před rokem +19

    This was the kind of content I was really excited to see on DDE, so I'm glad you guys ended up doing your own thing. Enjoy the content and hope to make it to a FD event one year!

  • @seanpynn
    @seanpynn Před rokem +2

    Ever since you were on DDE I've been watching, you have a great channel thank you!

  • @Trayne
    @Trayne Před rokem

    Easily my favourite youtube channel right now. I found one video and I was hooked. I watched every single one. Now I just wait for uploads

  • @toms7700
    @toms7700 Před rokem +2

    Love the content coming out , loved the banter between you and James Deane , hope to see more of that this year , maybe a compilation if theres enough footage 😂

  • @LukeHuxham
    @LukeHuxham Před rokem +1

    Some of the best filmed vlogs in this category, great angles and cuts. Keep up the good work.

  • @brodymckelvey1387
    @brodymckelvey1387 Před rokem +2

    I was at FD Orlando last year until the finals, that random tornado warning just before the top 8 was insane 🤣
    Was walking through the pits and the 40+ mph winds yeeted my umbrella right off the handle lol

  • @robertstrilkivsky
    @robertstrilkivsky Před rokem +1

    Amazing video footage! All the different angles from GoPros, drone shots and Dean talking into the camera makes the entire vlogs so entertaining to watch👏🏻 absolutely quality content! Keep it up boys 🔥

  • @austinmoore5334
    @austinmoore5334 Před rokem +25

    Keep up the good work Dean and mark for putting out great content for tens of thousands of people to enjoy. Also thank you for the whole team who make it possible for him to compete in fd. Good job brushing off the hate while taking into account actual constructive criticism. Personally I've yet to see a reason to complain, every video since day 1 has been solid entertainment. Hopefully the biographical documentary you guys have been making about you will come out some month soon been looking forward to it.

  • @rb26xs14
    @rb26xs14 Před rokem

    Absolutely need more content with you and James when he’s stateside. What a riot 😂

  • @fcknmvrio9911
    @fcknmvrio9911 Před rokem +6

    Dean the judges absolutely suck at FD in the US, I’ve been to every FD event and watched almost all your runs, your team ends up beating the other guy half the time but they always make an unfair decision for some reason and screw it all up. Keep up the great work you guys are always killing it #Karnage

  • @farisman09
    @farisman09 Před rokem

    For some reason I’m a first time viewer, and I loved the vid and your driving is insane! I watch a lot of people you know and have never been to your channel?!?! Love it boys

  • @The335icoupe
    @The335icoupe Před rokem

    in the 9 minute segment. You guys are doin' good. Good content that's entertaining and active. From when you started the videos to now you all have come a long way since putting up with DDE.

  • @TheRagingRayn
    @TheRagingRayn Před rokem +2

    Judges are very inconsistent in their calls, which comes down to bias toward certain drivers.

  • @kiwiexotics1982
    @kiwiexotics1982 Před rokem

    Man id like to say BEST video so far made me smile and shows you as a real person. Thanks man very entertaining and enjoyable.

  • @E9XJD
    @E9XJD Před rokem

    Only recently found you man, nice to see a fellow irish man live out his dreams. Binging through older videos haha

  • @patrickmentel8415
    @patrickmentel8415 Před rokem +1

    Judges were definitely weirder this round than some other rounds. The started with scoring decent runs higher than they should have and they got trapped. There was no consistency with points on runs that looked the same

  • @IamAW
    @IamAW Před rokem +1

    One of the best series on CZcams, and everyone on the channel are super likable, keep it up.

  • @JERK1NS
    @JERK1NS Před rokem

    the way you and James get along its such an early day car guy connection, I love seeing you guys banter like you're in your first season together and not super famous!!
    humble as fuck
    Bullshit round though

  • @Whyyousomadbruh
    @Whyyousomadbruh Před rokem +3

    Because your sponsors aren’t their sponsors. If you had sponsors in common, they would worship the ground you walk on.

    • @masoni325
      @masoni325 Před rokem

      This is most likely the reason why. A one sponsor car doing good.

  • @daniellightfoot7941
    @daniellightfoot7941 Před rokem

    I love these FD season edits they make me so happy

  • @Joey-rx3qv
    @Joey-rx3qv Před rokem

    Bro you did great. You’re the only viper and it’s a super weird shape. So I think the visual geometry is thrown off when they don’t see a S chassis or mustang. 🤷🏽‍♂️ keep killing it my G

  • @JRBurlingame
    @JRBurlingame Před rokem

    part of me wants to write a wall of text that explains how i could help the production side of things giving you replacement parts through my network of shops...but that same side of me isnt stupid enough to think yall dont already have a team of CNC operators and engineering techs to fix the shit you need to deal with when it comes to producing parts and perfecting them thru R&D for your mopar masterpiece. yall make me excited for the day i finally make it to that level in the automotive performance industry

  • @waynewest3891
    @waynewest3891 Před rokem

    Can hardly stand to watch anymore just blowing calls your a way better
    Driver than they give you credit for and other drivers as well. Keep it coming!!!

  • @SpyderzFPS
    @SpyderzFPS Před rokem +2

    i'd like to see a FD season of another regular car that you know you can trust just to see the differences in performance. Clearly have the skill to do very well just issues after issues

    • @chrisdobbs9155
      @chrisdobbs9155 Před rokem +1

      One of the things that really confuses me about drifting. Why do so many choose cars that were designed from the ground up not to drift as drift cars? Particularly picking cars that it's hard/ super expensive to get parts for.

  • @havingfunwithvazquez9632

    There’s a few times where I’m like I can do that, then ya get stupid close to the wall, pull off some crazy entry speeds, killer angle, and then I realize I’m not Dean Karnage and would have kissed a wall or two trying 😂

  • @Recklessneo
    @Recklessneo Před rokem

    As a fan of formula d since year 1 the judges these past years have been so bias. Can't wait to see you guys start getting the recognition yall deserve and hopefully see you guys in jersey with a W.

  • @an_angry_gamer7293
    @an_angry_gamer7293 Před rokem +1

    Absolutely loving the content that Dean and the team are putting out. Keep smashing it guys. Also we need more banter between you and James Deane ☘☘☘☘

  • @fiilly9223
    @fiilly9223 Před rokem +1

    Dean man im only half way through the video and had to stop to say this, you are not over explaining anything and we wont click off the video because of any of that shit man we love this content you guys put together for us. Props to you and the team keep doing what you guys love and we will continue to watch. YUP THE IRISH.

    • @Oderus-Urungi
      @Oderus-Urungi Před rokem

      Exactly bro, your Real fans want to see/hear as much as your willing to put out there..

  • @stuartkarshagen6274
    @stuartkarshagen6274 Před rokem +16

    So disappointed for Dean, he really deserves better in FD. KEEP THE KARNAGE 💪🏻

    • @ThatGuyMata
      @ThatGuyMata Před rokem +1

      If he wants better he needs to drive better simple as that, nobody deserves anything.

    • @Oderus-Urungi
      @Oderus-Urungi Před rokem

      NO, my friend when one IS driving better than others who somehow manage to score higher, then Yes, in this case Dean Does Deserve better.

  • @TexasDmax_2k
    @TexasDmax_2k Před rokem

    Gawh damn this was a great episode. The part with Deane had me dying. New sub bruh!!

  • @tylerarnold7194
    @tylerarnold7194 Před rokem

    deannnnn what a video! We appreciate the video from your personal perspective when you have the camera. Been loving the content, happy to see you with the family too. Keep it up! Grind continues
    The edits were so sick with the music, thanks mark lol

  • @sidbobby3233
    @sidbobby3233 Před rokem

    Mate when u said going to film this Fd thing i was sceptical coz not big Fd fan, but genuinely ive loved this so far.. Keep up good work mate 😎😎✌✌👌👌👍👍 frm the UK

  • @jeinks3249
    @jeinks3249 Před rokem +1

    I want to say you are such a bad ass! When most would be stressed and ready to just be there you embrace the moment at the truck stop and walk around to thank the team. Wow all this shit going on and it's for me to drive. I love that I love ya buddy you don't know me but I love ya and support you... See you in Utah hopefully drive on Kartrack together then I can live my child hood dream lol.

  • @Dew-Man13
    @Dew-Man13 Před rokem +2

    It's simple Deano! And sad! FD has become a High School popularity contest! It's blatantly obvious......I can't watch all the battles cause it short circuits my brain seeing who advances each time... Bazzarro world shit! Keep living the dream brother and don't sweat the squirrels!! We love ya either way brother!!

  • @vipstarizm6990
    @vipstarizm6990 Před rokem

    Loving the content. Thanks for taking us on the FD circuit journey. Q32 was arse IMO

  • @matthewantos4776
    @matthewantos4776 Před rokem +4

    I guess they don’t like the viper V10

  • @alifox88
    @alifox88 Před rokem

    Do a detail on the truck - when you detail dirty truck like this the result will look so much nicer afterwards

  • @Fac3bon3s
    @Fac3bon3s Před rokem +3

    FD judging has turned into MMA judging. Clear bias and it seems judges have vendetta's against a few of the drivers.

  • @rysworld.
    @rysworld. Před rokem +1

    keep explaining Dean !!! makes the video way better!!!

  • @SaleenDrift
    @SaleenDrift Před rokem

    Great attitude! Keep it up! There were definitely two drivers that scored in the mid 80s that I thought was crazy! So the scores in Orlando I thought were not fair. Felt like Christmas with handing out of points 😂

  • @shaun54
    @shaun54 Před rokem

    Love the vids man keep em coming!

  • @bobbyterps
    @bobbyterps Před rokem

    yo at 21:43 your brotha is making theeee funniest look at the camera

  • @GuyFawkesWitChu
    @GuyFawkesWitChu Před rokem

    1:12 That 63 corvette behind you will be a million dollar car one day soon.

  • @jeraldhite9744
    @jeraldhite9744 Před rokem

    I saw that the first time I ever watched a FD event. They have some favorites and it shows.

  • @G-force_Motorsport
    @G-force_Motorsport Před rokem

    Nice Deefer 90 chassis in the back of the 1st shot!

  • @dawnjeter4221
    @dawnjeter4221 Před rokem +1

    Awesome video upset you could not stop by Deez Diner 😢 maybe next time

  • @JB-Mk1TDI
    @JB-Mk1TDI Před rokem

    13:46 days of thunder vibes lol

  • @camaro89rs22
    @camaro89rs22 Před rokem +1

    You need to get your pal Hyper to sell a car and buy an old Go-Kart track think of all the seat time & content. A Target parking lot could also work, maybe a few of those available soon.

  • @perrygray5081
    @perrygray5081 Před rokem

    Keep the videos rolling

  • @jonathanrushing567
    @jonathanrushing567 Před rokem

    Loving the channel! Good to see you again at ATL! Let's go Dean "The Tire Terminator"!!

  • @kentrathjen8411
    @kentrathjen8411 Před rokem

    Awe Ted keep rippin , your channel is the best to watch! Would have loved to see a show that worked with DD. but you guys are building some great content! Always happy when my tube says KARNAGE!

  • @jeffpickett9730
    @jeffpickett9730 Před rokem

    Nice video fellas, unofficial week in the life. Loved it. Not being an FD guy it was cool to see what it’s all about and how your scored and what right asses the sissy’s judges are. Really enjoyed learning about FD I look forward to more!!

  • @newgvan555
    @newgvan555 Před rokem

    DONT CHANGE A THING! Awesome guys! Fun, great footage! Keep em comin! 😁👍👍🇨🇦😊🙏

  • @brad741
    @brad741 Před rokem +1

    Something doesn't seem to be flowing smoothly. Either in the team, the car... Your timing at the events end up be last minute. Rushed almost. Like you're trying to patch a leak of a dam with duct tape, barely holding on. Something needs to change, that's what i feel. Videos and content are good, Marc keeps things inline that way. Promote merchandise for added income? I'll cut it short there. Better luck next event 🤘😎

  • @gtnate8502
    @gtnate8502 Před rokem

    Good shit man. It’s a dream of mine to but just race on the circuit 🤙. Contents good, your a good person, and don’t let the haters bring you down 👎 you will win it all one day

  • @coyster530
    @coyster530 Před rokem +3

    Dean is doing a pretty damn good job drifting I feel like the judges got something against your sponsor or something like that

  • @tim_misfitmfg
    @tim_misfitmfg Před rokem

    The content is always good! +1 editing

  • @greggreg2263
    @greggreg2263 Před rokem +1

    How much does it cost the company for a race weekend?

  • @Gadget0343
    @Gadget0343 Před rokem

    I have a question, the green lights that go up each A pillar on edge of the windshield, what is that for?

  • @CanadiansInCarsGettingCocky

    Here for the KARNAGE!

  • @chrisdobbs9155
    @chrisdobbs9155 Před rokem

    Not just against you. There are several drivers they are biased against, and a small handful they are biased for. It used to be easy to tell who they were for as most of them had Falken written on the side of thier cars.
    Great runs this event. Best I've seen you drive.

  • @XentheTek
    @XentheTek Před rokem

    Never noticed his ticks until this video lol

  • @Joeboost8805
    @Joeboost8805 Před rokem +1

    Dean I LOVE THE CHANNEL, AND YOUR WHOLE GROUP!!! AND REALLLY ENJOY WATCHING YA DRIVE!!!!!! Honestly ✌🏽👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

  • @Oxygen_Thief
    @Oxygen_Thief Před rokem +1

    That qualifying score was a joke smh should've definitely been higher...

  • @gd1996
    @gd1996 Před rokem +6

    The part where it has to be judged and basically comes down to the opinion of people is why I'm not into drifting.... like figure skating lol.

    • @emani_
      @emani_ Před rokem +3

      I agree, I don't entirely dislike it but it makes it a lot harder to follow/understand who's really doing well

    • @gd1996
      @gd1996 Před rokem

      @@emani_ The one event he posted I had no clue how he lost... then the next it looked to me like he lost but he won. I prefer racing that first to the line wins.

    • @mountainracing2145
      @mountainracing2145 Před rokem

      Red Bull Drift Shifters idea of having proximity measured by points from an actual sensor on the track rather than judges is actually a way better system. It's cool to watch to and Mad Mike+ Torque Drift made me find out about it in the first place.

  • @Jerehkarppinen
    @Jerehkarppinen Před rokem +5

    When do we see Adam LZ and Karnage collab?

    • @scottydoesntknow2345
      @scottydoesntknow2345 Před rokem

      Fuck that , Dean just needs to take LZs spot , lz needs to go back to pro-spec , he usually chokes anyways

  • @JosephJonesboy88
    @JosephJonesboy88 Před rokem

    I love you guys, KARNAGE TO THE TOP IN ‘23 BROTHERS!!

  • @mitchellyoung7513
    @mitchellyoung7513 Před rokem

    Missed your run in Orlando due to the long ass line to get in, still stopped by and grabbed some merch tho. FD judges be silly

  • @mattheweverett-wo5mw
    @mattheweverett-wo5mw Před rokem

    I grown up next to the race was fun walk in the woods see the race

  • @adamwood8221
    @adamwood8221 Před rokem

    You should run in dmec next season bro I reckon you'd have great fun there fella 👍

  • @Joeboost8805
    @Joeboost8805 Před rokem +1

    And I really enjoy the fookin off , But it's Cool hearing you Explain what the FOOK your doing and how ya feelin! 👍🏼Marc DO NOT DELETE THIS $HIT!!!

    • @shannacollins4741
      @shannacollins4741 Před rokem +1

      You can stop saying FOOK now its not cool and hasnt been since Connor snapped his leg in half and probably a year before that but real Irish people saying it is regular but not you man ! Or me or whoever !

  • @Robert-ym6ye
    @Robert-ym6ye Před rokem +1

    That’s why FD will never get bigger judges are all about favouritism its like watching Olympic Figure Skating its been decided before the event even starts

    • @Limitr5.7
      @Limitr5.7 Před rokem +1

      FD USA maybe ... FD Japan is much better to watch .......

  • @mauryamckendrick5446
    @mauryamckendrick5446 Před rokem

    I absolutely love the whining sound that the Viper gears make!! Sounds so sick! I bet it's even better in person though. Well obviously it is but you know what I mean LoL

  • @ItsaB3AR
    @ItsaB3AR Před rokem

    Keep up the good work Dean, and keep having fun. Judges did you dirty on that second qualifier, it should have been a few points more than the first run. Next round give them nothing to take points for!

  • @Willay323
    @Willay323 Před rokem

    Holy OMT batman? where the fk was that call. you both had good lead runs, no way they didn't OMT it. Solid driving Dean, onto the next one with the chin up sir

  • @bobjones8853
    @bobjones8853 Před rokem +1

    I want to know what Matt Fields got on the judges LZ destroyed Matt in the first battle in Orlando then lost on the OMT. The judges are pushing fans away. I’d like to think I speak for everyone when I say I’d love to see drift blow up.

  • @zakkaryhoffman8503
    @zakkaryhoffman8503 Před rokem

    How come you guys didn't do the layout for the track like you were saying

  • @chrismason6857
    @chrismason6857 Před rokem

    Do you ever think you would be up for talking about your stutter? It might be interesting to hear about and you could help out your fans who might also have a stutter. Thanks.

  • @izzy19878
    @izzy19878 Před rokem

    I love the viper but I'm curious why you chose a viper for a drift car? Have you ever thought of changing the type of car that you drift

  • @Alexwinter123
    @Alexwinter123 Před rokem

    Ive been busy and barely catching back up but FREAL THO. Whoever watches the FD livestreams knows that everysingle stream, everyone (90% of people) talks about how bad these calls are for the most blatant evidence there is on certian runs lol

  • @Shev4444
    @Shev4444 Před rokem

    Love your content Dean. I'm really enjoying it. Sending some respect from fellow UK guys

  • @jasonpaupst9771
    @jasonpaupst9771 Před rokem

    I got scared for you when swift drove past at the fuel pump

  • @DanksterMike
    @DanksterMike Před rokem

    Love your channel and love the team. Keep up the great work. Stay safe and keep the rubber smoking.

  • @christianflss3780
    @christianflss3780 Před rokem

    I was hoping for OMT. Both drivers seemed like they had similar mistakes between the both of them, distance, angle, and dropping tires

  • @myleshalliday9664
    @myleshalliday9664 Před rokem

    Now I may seem like an amateur but what's the coloured stripe on each wheel for? Is it to measure wheel speed or something? 😂

  • @Joeboost8805
    @Joeboost8805 Před rokem

    KILLIN IT!! I Didn't know you hit 4th GEAR!!!! So BadA$$ DEAN!!!

  • @2rueblue
    @2rueblue Před rokem +1

    Don't change a thing the show is brilliant all the best from Scotland buddy

  • @Joeboost8805
    @Joeboost8805 Před rokem

    CARS LOOKIN SICKKKKKKK!!!!!! YOU SMASHED THAT 1ST RUN

  • @usaevo8
    @usaevo8 Před rokem

    Beautiful montage.

  • @apexedmedia
    @apexedmedia Před rokem

    As a truck driver I appreciate ya bud!

  • @Hayes.01
    @Hayes.01 Před rokem +6

    they hate him cuz they ain’t him can i get an amen

  • @00AMAC
    @00AMAC Před rokem

    Solid effort. That first rat prank had you jumping out of your body 😅. You'll do better next time. Keep your head up!

  • @snickers882
    @snickers882 Před rokem

    Do you think the viper is holding back alot of your skill? I dont know alot about vipers but they seem like they would be a handful to drive.