How can CHRISTIANS have DEMONS!?
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A house divided cannot stand. A saved individual cannot be possessed by a demon, but can be oppressed by demonic forces.
Possessed ,oppressed. A Slave to… it’s all the same
This verse is in the context of a devil trying to cast out a devil.
@christ_ie3714 Similar, but not the same. Here are 2 examples to make my point: A Christian who's oppressed might watch porn every once in a while or a couple times a week.
But someone who's a slave to sin will be addicted, so addicted to drugs to where you live for the next dose, and you can't go a day without it. Or you're addicted to porn and watch it everyday.
They're both awful, but they're different on the severity of the person's problem with sin. It's easier to be break free from minor oppression. But to be freed from slavery is a tough battle.
Oppression doesn't just mean every once in awhile my dude. The Israelite were oppressed under the rule of the ancient Egyptians. All sin is the same in the eyes of Yahweh. Doesn't matter if it's a dishonesty or addiction to drugs. Yahweh hates and detests all sin and can not be with in its presence. So whether or not it's a once in a while or an addiction. Your still living in sin. I would def argue that just because someone has an addiction doesn't mean that it's not easier to recieve deliverance from those chains. Just a matter of are you willing to surrender control to Yeshua Hamashiach (Jesus). He didn't spill His blood just for us to run(or walk if it's "every once in awhile") back to sin.
Oppression and possession are highly different. They are not the same.
Yes still the handy work of the enemy, but two different beasts all together. With different names.
I don’t have a demon inside me. I have the Holy Spirit.
That's correct! Demons are afraid of your Holy spirit. You can be oppressed but never possessed!
Amen brother
If you don an open doors to demons they will surely come in
@@crxwzm "'I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one is able to shut. I know that you have but little power, and yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Revelation 3:8
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 1 Corinthians 6:19
We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him. 1 John 5:18
@@crxwzm absolutely they will come in and you know what you will have to fight with the holy Spirit to show God that you can fight them with the faith and what the gifts he's giving you. And that's how they leave with the fight from within from the holy spirit and from the fight from God. Hallelujah! Trust me, I know I've been there and I'm reborn after 6 years. I'm 33 now
After I was Born Again, GOD removed a demon from me. it was 2 years after i was born again. I fasted and prayed. He let me see it being dropped into the abyss and my mind was freed. it was cool. GOD is GREAT! I didn't even know i had anything on me. Ignorance keeps us bound to our demons.
A true holy spirit emdwelled Christian cannot be possessed by a demon. The best a demon can and absolutely will do is work to oppress snd torment a person in whom the Holy Spirt is truly residing.
No scripture to back that up. Meanwhile, in second Corinthians 11:4 Paul is talking to the believers in the church of Corinth, and he said he is afraid that we will receive another spirit other than the one we have received (the holt spirit)
But they can't have both the Holy Spirit and the demon at the same time as light and darkness cannot coexist. One must walk in the Spirit and in His will and no demon will even dare try to get near, in Jesus' name!
Search that topic by Derek Prince..
@@mislavdomovic The Holy Spirit is Holy, He will not share His temple with demonic forces.
Can we get a verse to back this up!? Ive heard that my whole life but have often felt oppressed by demons...so this makes sense to me and if it is not true someone please give me a verse saying saved people cannot be demon possessed! Please im very curious i will be looking myself!
@@virginiawilliams3216 There are differences between attacks of the enemy and actual demon possession. And what I meant was that those who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit cannot be possessed as the Spirit guides them, but if one were to talk in the flesh, then they can open doors to demons. We must walk in obedience to the Father by the Spirit in Jesus' name and we will not fall.
"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." (Romans 8:1-4)
"For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." (Romans 8:6-11)
@@virginiawilliams3216 actually the burden of proof is on him/them to give scriptures saying a person filled with the Holy Ghost can be demon possessed. Possession means controlled by. We are bought and paid for by the blood of Christ so he has ownership of his people and this controls them.
King Saul was tormented by a demon AFTER the Holy Spirit left him due to disobedience. In Matthew 12:43-45 the demon returns and finds the house empty and brings along 7 worse demons. His condition is worse than it was before he was delivered. This is what happens to Saul in 1st Samuel. His condition was worse after.
Where is the scripture that alluds to a Christian who has a demon? Because I've searched, if some has the time, please help. I was under the impression that if you are saved, why would you live however you want? You weren't saved in the first place. There's a difference between falling short and repeatedly committing a sin.
I know that I am struggling with something, I want to get deliberated. I pray hard in the name of Jesus Christ
Oppression, not possession
James 4:7 "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
Help me Lord, to shut all doors and help me fight temptations, I know it’s by your power, transform me to be like you, Amen
Instead of debating, we should all be casting them out. Try deliverance on a Christian and find out for yourselves
Amen Amen and Amen!!!!
The question here is possession vs oppression. It's impossible to be filled with a demon because that part of your spirit is filled by the Holy Spirit after you're born again. You can be tempted by a demon (oppression), but they can't dwell inside you (possession).
Do you do deliverance?
Interesting
I’ve thought a lot about this and done a lot of research into the verses you use to validate why you believe what you do, and I really think you’re leading people astray.
Yep he's wrong. Ask the pastor on To Every Man An Answer radio program.
It’s not helpful if you don’t explain, at least the gist, of explanation to your claim/conclusion you’ve come too
Yes. Scripture says a believer has the Holy Spirit, if thats true, the believer is sealed by Him and nothing else can enter
What a great analogy. It can help people understand the truth, especially those who believe the once saved always saved lie.
I'm glad I got delivered eventhough it was many years after being a Christian. I've never felt so free. My relationship with God grew stronger, I can sense the Holy Spirit more. Get more revelation when reading the word. It's as if the fog is removed. I moved from religion to relationship. I don't care what people call it oppress, demonized, there was demons and they had to leave. God set me free. There is no greater feeling than to be free
The Holy Spirit does not share space in our Holy Temple. If the temple is unclean that’s altogether different.
That’s not true I’m born again and have dealt with lots of evil spirits.
@@grantdoby8546 dealing with unclean spirits and having them share space in our temples especially after being born again are two different things. It doesn’t sound right to me, but if you feel it is, it is for you. Be blessed 🙏
Exactly!!! Once we receive Christ and began our journey to surrender, the work of redemption and deliverance begins! Key word, WORK. As we yield He reveals! God Will definitely deal with the hidden things by “putting His finger” on things we need to get rid of. But thank God for deliverance!!!🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
The cowardly and diabolical abandonment of exorcisms, spiritual warfare, deliverance and the Godly Holy Spirit infilling has caused all the destructions in the world..past and present..God save us now..
When I first became a Christian I was still with my ex boyfriend who openly practiced witchcraft. I was with him for like 2 more years! Just living in disobedience to God. What’s even crazier is the Christian’s I was listening to said we can’t have demons oh healing is not for today, prophecy is not for today. Idk why it’s such a huge debate. I didn’t get delivered til like 2021, it’s very real because I don’t feel like the same person always in fear and paranoia
Girl SAME! We got similar stories and have the same outcome praise God!
These religious nuts try to get so deep and legalistic into saying Christians can't have a demon. Yeah okay. Christians cant get sick either. Christians cant kill themselves, etc just so ignorant the stuff they say.
I'm living proof of God's divine healing and deliverance. I've been a Christian since i was tiny, but still had sooo many demons growing up and just got worst as i got older. Praise be to God for setting me free. I would love to hear your full testimony in detail!
@@ellaakiyama5670 Thank You for sharing Amen!
You are absolutely right!
As a born again Christian who has been allowed by God almighty to have super-natural experiences, I can attest to what you are saying.
Just bc you are saved and justified, it by no means indicates that demons cannot and do not harass, oppress, or hinder you - especially if you open doors to let them in.
Demonic oppression or being hindered by demons is a totally different thing then demonic possession. You can't both be indwelt by the Holy Spirit and possessed by a demon. Impossible.
Wrong, Joe. Chapter and verse where it says it's impossible. You won't find one to back up your position. Just because you don't like the idea doesn't make it fslse.
@@marconi3142 2 Cor 6:15. There is no harmony between Christ and Belial. I don't think you can make the argument. Also, 1 John 5:18. The evil one does not touch him.
@@marconi3142 "You are of God, my little children, and have overcome them: because greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world"
- 1 John 4;4
"In fact, no one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house."
- Mark 3;27
There are other passage that show this idea to be wrong, but I think this is one of the clearest logical ones.
Either the demon is stronger than the Holy Spirit, or he cannot enter.
And we are specifically told The Spirit is stronger.
In light of all the biblical evidence to suggest it's impossible, it would stand to you to prove that it is possible, given than there are no biblical examples.
@@joev2223 i love how much people desperately want a word for commandment and the absence of such makes them think he is right.
You have to explain the difference between possession and oppression. We as believers CANNOT be possessed but we CAN be oppressed.
Actually there was a time in my life I was running from God and he protected me many times. I also still had dreams and visions. There is always a battle for our souls.
That is one of the ways God brought me back to him. I wrapped my vehicle around a tree. I had no clue where my bible was but God, he chose to protect me and i only received a bruise and my bible flew up and landed by my head. God stepped in i believe that with all my heart and i was one of the worse sinners ever. Now all i want is Jesus and God but i do still struggle and mess up and i made a huuuuge sin last week and only can beg his forgiveness i do not want to hurt Father God or his kingdom or break jesus heart or make God angry at me. I messed up. I love God and i was stupid in doung what i did. I pray to walk better to him every day. It truly hurts to know that I could possibly lose God and jesus and the holy spirit. I just pray he still loves and forgives me because i know he doesnt have to.
I know I had a demonic spirit even after I was born again from all the years I suffered from my porn addiction im glad I got delivered
How did you get delivered?
@@PhoenixAscending my one friend help deliver me through Jesus
You aren't born again.. " who the son set free is free indeed"
But how did you get a porn addiction?! I want to get into it soooo badly but I can’t :/ how will I ever learn so I can sleep with a man?
@@julielemker2131 that's just as valid as this paper l have that says you owe me 2M $. So just give me 1M and we'll call it even.
Possessed/demonized or oppressed, in reality it doesn't matter...what matters is doing something to be set free from whatever it is. Why would anyone want to continue in habitual sin, treating others badly, negative thinking and/or behavior??? if it's not good it's not from God. Get rid of whatever it is by deliverance/exorcism or whatever you want to call it. Stop arguing and do something so you can be free from the enemies influence in your life. God bless you all in Jesus Mighty Name AMEN! ♥️🙏🙌
James 3:11-12 No fountain can yield both!
God is good amen
LOVE IT....ALWAYS ALWAYS : IT IS WRITTEN.
Light and darkness cannot live together.
Bottom line a Christian has to walk away from the covering of the blood of Christ and open themselves up to the demon. True the Bible doesn’t say a Christian can’t have a demon, but it also doesn’t say they can or will either. This is up there with the same argument that every thing wrong with anyone is they have a demon, that’s not true. Some need a deep healing from hurt and some are oppressed.
So true! We cannot be possessed
@@julielemker2131 please, you make no sense
Very well put, the young man needs to go back and get a clearer understanding.
New King James
JAME S3:15-16
This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, DEMONIC🧨💥🎯💯
For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and EVERY EVIL 👀 practice.🫣🫣🙌🙌🎯
Demons distract. Even if your home is clean, spiders ants, and bugs still enter. Even though you don't open the door and let them in.
“Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
- 2 Corinthians 6:14 (KJV)
Me a horrible sinner living in sin awaiting the wrath of God having what I want living in inequity filled with depression and anxiety . Set me free Jesus . I’m forreal. It’s just so much harder when u realize faith without works is dead and u have to actually change.
When we get saved, the Holy Spirit dwells in our spirit and seals us.
However, the flesh is still struggling (the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak). This is why Father has us work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Getting saved is only the beginning. Healing and deliverance are necessary for healing for our spiritual growth.
but demons can still sneak in through the anus.
Lets just live free dont think on things of yesterday stay focused on the whats to be
I need deliverance🥺🥺
James 4:7 " Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
It is written, "As your faith it shall be done unto you."
It’s not you that’s bothered by this message. It’s the demon in you that’s not happy to hear this 😂
lmao gorl
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No, that would be the flesh, BIG DIFFERENCE.
What the...
No, it’s the Spirit of God in me that hates false teaching.
Amén 🙏🏾
Blasphemy, a demon cannot dwell where the Holy Spirit resides.
If you let a demon in you it will reside in your body until you tell it to leave but that dose not mean the Holy Spirit abandons you it will abide in you and help you beat your sin
Well said... such sins like gossip opens up the door to demons as it gives strength to root causes like PRIDE
Nowhere in the Bible does it say a Christian cannot have a demon. I can attest to this, having never found it in the Bible. Great analogy with the fly and the open door. Close all evil doors.
I agree. Also, this goes with prayer. You can’t pray for the fly to not come into the house, if the door is open. Prayer doesn’t work.
Please expand on how a person can on Gods authority cast demons away !!!!!
Jesus loves u
If there is one thing I've learned in the deliverance ministry.... It takes more demons n more powerful demons to prevent u from serving God. They purposely try to stop u from growing n becoming too powerful.
I believe there is demon oppression but not possession in Christians and plus God owns our soul no matter where we end up.
Amen. Thank You Lord for this.
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Job was also attacked by the devil.
Job 32:1-2
Temples of the Holy Spirit cannot, I repeat, CANNOT have demons in them. This is logical if you really think about it. The demons tremble at the presence of Jesus; they fell on their faces before Christ when He walked this earth. How, then, can a demon come and chill in the same body that the Holy Spirit dwells in.
There is no scripture that alludes to the fact that Christians can have demons in them. Maybe if you twist it and insert your own opinion in a text of scripture, then yea, sure, you can prove it, but that would be a misuse of the word of God.
Those who have the Holy Spirit within them cannot have demons in them as well.
"Christians" who have had demons cast out of them only prove they were never born again to begin with.
Bad theology hurts people.
I have actually been on this road of searching for the Holy Spirit for a long time. Some questions come up without any of the signs recorded in scripture how to we know if we have the Holy Spirit. I have been going to church for a long time I have never seen a crippled person get up and walk. I have never heard someone speak in languages they did not know. I have never seen fire come down and rest on a person. How do you know if you have received the Holy Spirit ?
But if someone is "saved" but then backslides they could fall back into having an open door again. They wouldn't necessarily know they weren't saved or not
I spoke in tongues before I was delivered. A matter of fact, the people who were delivering me couldn't cast it out, and decided that it was best for me to first be filled with the holy spirit before they try to cast it out. I can say without a doubt I spoke in tongues which is a sign of the holy spirit inside the person, then they proceeded to cast out the demon. Your statement is also an assertion, my experience proves the holy spirit can rest in someone who has been demonized. They dwell in different spots. The Holy Spirit dwells in your soul, but the demon dwells in your flesh.
@@Rick-bv8wz Very good question! 1 John is a great starting place, signs of conversion are confession of sin, repentance of sin, brokenness over sin, obedience to the word of God, lifestyle of obedience (we still sin and even struggle with sin but it will no longer be a lifestyle), love for God‘s word, love for God’s people, desires that are godly and a hatred for sinful things. All of these are evidence of a true Christian. There can be periods of sin or backsliding but they will always return to Christ in repentance. If the person turns away and never returns it only reveals that they were never saved to begin with (see 1 John 2:19)
@@lambree4947 Your experience does not trump God’s written word. People have been possessed by demons which cause them to speak in a strange tongue, that could be the reason for you. My position is based on scripture, yours is based on experience. Scripture trumps experience because only scripture is God breathed. I question every experience that does not line up with scripture, as should every true Christian. Discernment is lacking severely in the Christian church and is why we have such a false belief running rampant that Christian’s can have demons in them.
Amen
Amen great peaching and love the chill beat in the background
Preach Isaiah
. That’s conviction rate work, that’s very true issue.
If the Holy Spirit is inside, a Christian believer, a demon cannot inhabit the same soul
James 2:19
Thank you!!❤
Thank you sir. God bless you
amen
Amen❤
I have been waiting a long time for this exactly question to be answered. I really wish they added in the scriptures Isaiah was talking about in support to his view. I don’t know how to feel about this.
They twist the scriptures they use to back up their position. Here’s how you can tell they’re false teachers, they also believe women can be church leaders and pastors, they believe everyone can speak in tongues which the Bible expressly says to only do with a translator, and they appoint new apostles. The apostles were in direct contact with Jesus, the people they’re appointing don’t even fit the definition of apostle. They don’t follow the Bible.
That's is true. I know I experienced it!
Amen all facts plenty of Christians and believers have been set free from demons. This shouldn’t be a debate those our testimonies are evidence 🤦🏾♂️
Exactly
How can you occupy a space that is already FILLED? Can a glass FILLED with water occupy another beverage? If you are FILLED with the Holy Spirit, there is NO ROOM for a demon.
A believe who has the Holy Spirit in them cannot be possessed by a demon. They can be subject to oppression by demonic spirits.
But they also have the power to overcome.
That’s not true!!! I’ve had so many devils in me and I’ve been born again for 4 years. I operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues.
@GrantDoby gifts are given without repentance, and demonic spirits can mimic the gifts. The Bible is clear, "what fellowship has light with darkness?" The Holy Spirit dwells in the hearts of believers and demonic spirits cannot reside in the same believer with the Holy Spirit. When a demon is cast out, it will return, and if the vessel is empty, it will go away and return with 7 more.
So don't leave your heart empty. Ephesians teaches us to be filled with Spirit of God
🔥🔥🔥AMEN ISAIAH !!! 🔥🔥🔥
😄😆🤣🤣YES!!! a Christian can have whatEVER they want!! oh, me, oh my... look how far this has gone. I am just happy this Isaiah suits very well to Isaiah chapter 61 .. I thank God for this young man.
That’s a good analogy about the fly/wasp. I’m always commanding flies to stay out but then I leave the door open…🤦🏼♀️
I’m hebrews, I forget which verse but it is said that “some refuse deliverance to obtain a greater reward”. I don’t fully understand what this means yet but watching this brought it into my mind. Would love to discuss this with brothers and sisters!
That verse has nothing to do with demons. They refuse being delivered from their trials through compromise because their sights are set on the next life.
Hebrews 11:35 NKJV
Women received their dead raised to life again. Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.
@@scwienert Thank you for your response and insight brother. I see what your saying but at the same time it also seems that it does point to demonic influence or possession, I’ve asked the Holy Spirit to clarify it for me
@@driedmeat2333 in what way does it seem to point to demonic activity? You need to zoom out and read the broader context. The passage has absolutely nothing to do with demons. It’s talking about OT saints and their perseverance through trials by faith.
Jesus says No one can snatch them from my hand, the father who has given them to me is greater than all and no one can snatch them from his hand, I and the father are one.
Light can not dwell with darkness. They are mutually exclusive.
He who is in you....is greater that he who is in the world.
If we attribute to the demons the authority to afflict us, we make ourselves vulnerable. We must recognize their place and let them know we have authority over them. - A Biblical View of Demonology By Dr James A Laine
Luke 10:17-20
Yes...they went out from us..if they had been in us they would not have gone out from us...pray ..Jesus and demons do Not inhabit the same body..u don't pour new wine into an old wineskin...wake up ..pray and stay in the Word of God ...always ask God about spiritual food and He will tell you in the Word.
Well said. Close all port holes.
except for the anus.... and demons love the anus.
Only things that are holy can be in the temple of God. We as Christians are that temple. Therefore a Christian can’t have a demon because the dwelling place of God can’t have a demon.
It's been two years since I became a new believer, but still struggling in sin, I want to depart from sin forever, so why would I want a demon in my life? I want to be free from all kinds of darkness, including sin. Please help
@@michaelparker6763 yes I am still learning even though 2 years passed, there are still traces of my old habits in my system, it's as you said, I caught myself still in sin. Please pray for me Michael
@@jesselacayo3486James 4:7 tells us to "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
Love this analogy
Mist of us do..just don't have a ton of them and keep on the path and they will fade away
AMEN!!!
Repentance: to FORSAKE AND TURN AWAY. Not keep going back
So if you keep going back to that which you repented of, then there is no salvation right?
Love u Isaiah! In His grace and mercy, I can say God HAS protected me a when I was in blatant disobedience. This is why: the GOODNESS of God leads men to repentance.” And it worked. I definitely didn’t want to frustrate the grace - AT ALL but there were a couple of times when I know NOBODY BUT JESUS KEPT ME while I was in sin. Glory to the ONLY true and Living God Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah! Our Redeemer and Savior and KING! ❤
The answer is a definite “YES!”
I heard somewhere in the Bible that everyone has a demon but everyone has an angle
It actually says,
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Ephesians 6:11
Oppression vs possession
No... in hebrew its called demonization... So youre statement is wrong. you missed the middle way.
No it’s not lol. I actually left out the 2 others in the Hebrew language there possession, oppression, traffic, and influence.
@@el29 regardless it’s still a demon I weather you look at it in a person or on a person. People need to stop getting pressed over the way demons operate
1 Corinthians 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Great word brother IN JESUS MIGHTY NAME AMEN
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Thank You! I’ve had a hard time my whole life closing doors because I wanted to be polite and not offend others- behold the Glory of Jesus for discernment in that we want to offend demons and Slam those doors Shut by authority of Christ ✝️
That's why the work of salvation is a work of sanctification by the holy Spirit
Demons can sneak in through the anus.
These passages just kind of tackle…all of this short 😂 See 1 John 5:18 Psalm 23, 2 Corinthians 3:17, Genesis 3:15, John 10:29 - in fact just the whole Bible attests to the idea that God is the only safe place of refuge
If you have a demon you are not truly saved
JAMES 3:15-16
AND HE WAS TALKING TO THECHURCH
...HELLO?
VERY WELL EXPLAINED
Key words in your statement… IF YOU…. The wasp,rat, or fly can’t come through the closed door.
😭💯
So true
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Isaiah, your looking at this the wrong way. Once your babtised, the holy a
Spirit comes into you life, and Demons flee from the presence of the lord. ❤
Wow