@@user-ey4un1vo7v their viewership was also historic . Grew every episode from middle of season 1 until it ended. But when you listen the actor they felt rushed in those last 2 seasons with all the main characters getting killed off.
Blame Kurt Sutter for this show taking shit writing wise. It wasn’t supposed to end this way, Kurt had all these plans for this show but he decided to be a childish prick and get fired from his job Alas this show has suffered since
That was more or less the point. Packer was a sick, twisted fuck but he was still just a man whose past actions came back to bite him in the ass. Same theme surrounds EZ’s death.
People say isaac's death was too quick but i think it was right. Isaac was a junkie sadist who liked to torture and use people, but that was his only talent, when words dont work on someone like ez then you see how weak he was all along. Did he even land a blow on ez? "It cant be over" why? Because he would play and drag out someones death like its a game. That how he wanted to die. Ez gunning him down quick in a alley, Is a fitting death for a roach like isaac.
I agree. He deserved to die the way he did. Ez aswell. In the end, both men deserved their deaths but approached it differently. Ironically the one who was facing a more brutal death was calm and didn't beg at all.
It might be that people think because he ruled over Meth Mountain that he was a junkie like everyone who lived there but really Isaac is just a master manipulator who worked with Butterfly to build an empire they called the "free-est place on Earth" inhabited by drug addicts who are the easiest people on Earth to manipulate. Isaac may have done some drugs but he's not like CoCo.
You're spot on, Isaac was only dangerous when he was in control of the situation and in the numerial majority for example: 1.) Attacks on Orange County and Inland Empire 2).Holding Coco captive on Meth Mountain 3.) Kidnapping Otero, Manny, Tex and killing Dondo
I have to give the writers a little credit. They were smart enough to keep the beef vs San Bernardino and not the Sons in general. Basically, multiple Mayans charters and The bastards had to unite in order to take out 1 chapter of the Sons. Is that really winning the war? You have to assume that had the rest of that ending not happened, then Charming would have responded for Happy’s death. Being the mother charter and the fact that the Sons are a much bigger club, and could call all of their charters in for the war, they would have wiped out Santo Padre and allies. What a god damn mess they made out of this show, after it started with so much potential.
@Nightmare2g-so what? So SOA loses 2 charters, which they’ll rebuild. The Mayans were completely fucked-they lost the pipeline, we’re gonna get taken out by Cole and his boss, and got taken out by the feds, which would’ve led to RICO. The Mayans are completely finished
@Redsdelight At the meeting, isaac had sons there with Arizona, Nevada and California rockers if you rewatch it - safe to assume the sons had multiple charters involved
@Anti.Vegans I actually think August Mark's death was really well done. I loved that quick no nonsense killstreak Jax went on at the end cleaning house of the club's enemies. Finale of Sons was 50x better the the finale of Mayans.
@@Anti.Vegans August's death was fitting because he proved multiple times that if he had any angle sort of angle, he would find a way to play some dirty, underhanded trick. Jax could give him no time to do that. It had to be fast, not drawn out where August could do some dirty shit if Jax let his guard down.
Agreed,.. I expected something more explosive like an all out brawl… instead it’s more of a 5 minute bar fight where the unarmed sons get squashed on the side
Isaac was the last of EZ's worries, he have his body, mind and soul to a club that would undue him and almost his family. Chasing vengeance didn't cure EZ's pain, it enhanced it.
The sons have so many chapters 😂😂😂all over the USA & countries not just California they never ended at all it’s just San Bernardino plus Mayans are probably fucked they have no international president & Santo padre is dead
They could’ve done so much more with Isaac’s character smh. This was a shitty way of killing him off, he barely even put up a fight and looked so weak.
Why Larry? The whole storyline of her and Hope after CoCo died was completely pointless. Just like the stupid Broken Saints shit, the dumbass el banquero, the midget sister, all of it. Emily, Galindo-I never watched the show for all that shit. I understand you need other threads for a story, but they sucked
i knew Isaac was this weak, he just talked a big talk and went after women and old men. seemed to have some of you fooled saying he went out too easy haha
His Effing monologues everytime he was on camera were soo EFFING boring and dragged out and pointless and pathetic, i’m glad he went out begging for his life like a B1tch
On God. They wasted so much time on bs story lines that went nowhere as well. People only say it's better cause it went on 42 episodes longer than Mayans. I felt nothing when Jax died because it was such a shitty death. Ez's was absolutely fucked🫤
Issac was catching mayans unguarded all season killing of whole charters and he was killed off in the back alley of a club in the middle of a day party 😣😣😣
Knew all those hardcore squats and ice baths were for this fight or kinda fight? I was hoping for Ez to beat the crap out of Issac with 1 arm Then shoot him in the abdomen, while Issac was in and out of consciousness Ez would piss on him, Then set him on fire 🔥🔥🔥 Thats just me though
dog its a FX tv show not a dark web snuff film 😂😂 isaac was the crazy sadist that wanted to be extra about everything. ez's cold & calculated, it was like this on purpose
They rolled up at a concert in the middle of the day … and apparently no sons had any guns on them. And for once .. we saw Sofia outside of the room lol
I think the point was to through the audience off. Everything don’t have to be a super epic clash. Sometimes the biggest threat can easily be taken out without realizing the threat is coming. Plus I think the point was to focus on the tragedy of the Mayans afterwards
The whole episode felt like they had no budget left to show big action scenes or set pieces like the did when the Mayans were under attack by other Mayans
In a way that he went out I felt like EZ was no longer playing the “Biker” role of honor, respect and all that shit. He lost everything and just act out everything embracing his inner thoughts instead of trying to be the big badass
Ikr that made me so mad the whole season I understand the actor for Chibbs doesn’t want to return and probably was filming his role in power when they made this season but they could’ve had tug come back he was just here last season and had Quinn be in more episodes as he agreed to come back since he’s in episode 8 it just doesn’t make sense that we don’t see much samcro this season and there is absolutely no retaliation for happy’s death
Well samcrow prob didn't care too much about issac he was as much a problem for them as Santo Padre and ez was to the myans maybe samcrow probably already new what was going to go down with Santo Padre getting wiped out at the end they are Def the smartest chapter to bad they had to end it with a bunch of quick fixes that didn't really fix anything lol
He only had power because he was Packer's baby brother, hence the reason he always had others do the actual work for him. He was fun to watch, but this was the only way the final fight with him was gonna end.
I rarely ever harshly judge finales but damn was this finale rushed. The whole thing with the Mayans vs SOA was sooooo anticlimactic especially the "fight" between EZ and Isaac. If this had been handled properly Isaac would have messed EZ up before EZ killed him.
And of course They kill Issac off that easy i swear what a disappointment they were hyping him up to be this crazy ruthless Guy Only To Get killed in just 2 minutes i was hoping he would get a few hits in on ez but nope this fight between them was the one thing i was looking forward too and it was a letdown
They kinda ruined the show with the last season. Showdown in the last 20 minutes, ez never had a ladt conversation with Felipe, emily just kills Miguel, they never find out about Tazas shit and Adelita just disappears and nobody finds out wtf
No one was ever going to find out about her, of the main characters, only Angel cared about her, and he had no way of tracking her down. At best, the cartel lady might have tried to look into it, but it would have added little to the show...
Tbh lol all these episodes felt like fillers and always about Emily or the atf, like did he not know what to make the action about he had so much to work with every time we seen the sons it was more talking than action
Isaac's death should've dragged SAMCRO into the war. Agree or disagree with the war but SAMCRO (and the other SOA chapters) can't just sit back and let SB just get wiped off the face of the map and not retaliate. That's a horrible look. Show had a lot of potential.
I don't believe the rest of the Sons' charters would retaliate for Isaac's death and dissolving of SAMDINO. SAMCRO and probably all the other charters hated that junkie piece of shit. They let the Mayans and their allies destroy SAMDINO for the sole purpose of getting rid of Isaac, it wasn't just a win for the Mayans it was also a win for the Sons of Anarchy as a whole because they've finally ridden themselves of the cancer that was Isaac Packer. Plus, losing SAMDINO doesn't hurt the Sons' presence in Southern California, they still have charters in Long Beach, Chino and San Gabriel; the Sons will be alright. I just can't say the same for the Mayans though, they lost Santo Padre and their entire presence in Southern California. Their Oakland charters' President and VP are dead, so they'll either vote in a new leadership or dissolve the Oakland charter and the remaining members patch over to the Stockton charter.
Isaac just said everything we were thinking about this season lol.
Facts
@@Anti.Vegans soa wasn’t really rushed they got more seasons then mayans
@@user-ey4un1vo7v their viewership was also historic . Grew every episode from middle of season 1 until it ended. But when you listen the actor they felt rushed in those last 2 seasons with all the main characters getting killed off.
I was not expecting Isaac to go out that easy lol…all that build up
Blame Kurt Sutter for this show taking shit writing wise. It wasn’t supposed to end this way, Kurt had all these plans for this show but he decided to be a childish prick and get fired from his job
Alas this show has suffered since
Shout outs to the writers
That was more or less the point.
Packer was a sick, twisted fuck but he was still just a man whose past actions came back to bite him in the ass.
Same theme surrounds EZ’s death.
@@strcash-fs8of For bad writing and a totally unsatisfying ending. Woot!
Right… Two szns built up for all out war just for a 1v1 in a garage and then this bar fight that lasted 5 minutes…
The dialogue that Isaac was spewing was in a way how we feel
It can’t be over just like that
There had to be more
It probably was a shot at us fans
@@Destined4Greatness. exactly
100% was making fun of fans who want things to keep going on and wanting more, was written on purpose
Elgin James taking a shot at Kurt sutter, soa universe.. and us
@@shivanebangkok2008my thoughts exactly, Kurt still wants to make the first 9 and a sequel about Kane and Abel and the aftermath
“ this can’t be it” Oohh yes tf it is. Sooo satisfying
People say isaac's death was too quick but i think it was right. Isaac was a junkie sadist who liked to torture and use people, but that was his only talent, when words dont work on someone like ez then you see how weak he was all along. Did he even land a blow on ez? "It cant be over" why? Because he would play and drag out someones death like its a game. That how he wanted to die. Ez gunning him down quick in a alley, Is a fitting death for a roach like isaac.
I agree. He deserved to die the way he did. Ez aswell. In the end, both men deserved their deaths but approached it differently. Ironically the one who was facing a more brutal death was calm and didn't beg at all.
I didn't see Issac do any drugs
It might be that people think because he ruled over Meth Mountain that he was a junkie like everyone who lived there but really Isaac is just a master manipulator who worked with Butterfly to build an empire they called the "free-est place on Earth" inhabited by drug addicts who are the easiest people on Earth to manipulate. Isaac may have done some drugs but he's not like CoCo.
@@outsidethabox1443 he ran meth mountain lol wym he was a massive tweaker
You're spot on, Isaac was only dangerous when he was in control of the situation and in the numerial majority for example:
1.) Attacks on Orange County and Inland Empire
2).Holding Coco captive on Meth Mountain
3.) Kidnapping Otero, Manny, Tex and killing Dondo
1:34 Isaac said it himself… he wasn’t ready for this war to be over this soon
I saw genuine fear in that man's eyes, he really was not ready to go.
Burning in hell
SOA are anti-gun this episode lol, from bikers to boy scouts in half an episode, what great writing!
We all feel you issac .
Like facts there definitely needs to be more Isaac made this show watchable
Even tho he burned manny alive… I feel bad for isaac in this scene. Poor him
@@shivanebangkok2008 i feel him to cause we all wanted his death to be a real treat
Issac"I'm not ready for this to be over"(BANG)1:45......its over
I have to give the writers a little credit. They were smart enough to keep the beef vs San Bernardino and not the Sons in general. Basically, multiple Mayans charters and The bastards had to unite in order to take out 1 chapter of the Sons. Is that really winning the war?
You have to assume that had the rest of that ending not happened, then Charming would have responded for Happy’s death. Being the mother charter and the fact that the Sons are a much bigger club, and could call all of their charters in for the war, they would have wiped out Santo Padre and allies.
What a god damn mess they made out of this show, after it started with so much potential.
There was 2 or 3 charters in the clubhouse
@Nightmare2g-so what? So SOA loses 2 charters, which they’ll rebuild. The Mayans were completely fucked-they lost the pipeline, we’re gonna get taken out by Cole and his boss, and got taken out by the feds, which would’ve led to RICO. The Mayans are completely finished
@@Nightmare96121 Basis for that assumption?
But they killed happy. Why isn't samcro retaliating. It's stupid
@Redsdelight At the meeting, isaac had sons there with Arizona, Nevada and California rockers if you rewatch it - safe to assume the sons had multiple charters involved
Talk about a disappointing final confrontation with the Sons
@@Anti.VegansStill way better than the Mayans ending
@Anti.Vegans I actually think August Mark's death was really well done. I loved that quick no nonsense killstreak Jax went on at the end cleaning house of the club's enemies. Finale of Sons was 50x better the the finale of Mayans.
@@Anti.Vegans August's death was fitting because he proved multiple times that if he had any angle sort of angle, he would find a way to play some dirty, underhanded trick. Jax could give him no time to do that. It had to be fast, not drawn out where August could do some dirty shit if Jax let his guard down.
Agreed,.. I expected something more explosive like an all out brawl… instead it’s more of a 5 minute bar fight where the unarmed sons get squashed on the side
That was for CoCo, Manny, and Felipe
Damn straight 👍
coco ❤️
Manny the absolute goat.
And inland empire members
Biggest problem with this is it quickly makes hope’s sacrifice completely worthless
💯💯💯💯
Thats what bad writting looks like
Thank you
She dead before this
@@bennydollaz7925 yeah exactly. She had nothing to worry about because ez killed him anyway
Isaac was the last of EZ's worries, he have his body, mind and soul to a club that would undue him and almost his family. Chasing vengeance didn't cure EZ's pain, it enhanced it.
How tf did he go out so easily? he has fought Werewolves , Bersekers , Oni etc
Scott wasn’t there to save his ass XD
@@krdnzs19 true lol
@@krdnzs19LMFAO
Lmao 😂
I feel like I can move on with my life now that I’ve seen the shitty ending to this show. Goddamn, it had so much potential too
Ya i only watch the last 2 seasons because i was a SOA fan.
@@matt2d2007 Same, I went into this show with high hopes bc I loved SOA
SOA had the worst ending. This was gangster. And ez was always doomed
@@THEBANDIT7979 I agree, season 7 of SOA was a bit of a train wreck. But season 5 of Mayans was so all over the place that I’m jus glad it’s over now.
@neptune5962 what didn’t you like about the ending?
That ice bath EZ took paid off till the end
Now with in this season it has a big vibe of The sons ending season. To me this show has always been it's own.
The sons have so many chapters 😂😂😂all over the USA & countries not just California they never ended at all it’s just San Bernardino plus Mayans are probably fucked they have no international president & Santo padre is dead
isaac had such a good built up...that ending is shit.
They could’ve done so much more with Isaac’s character smh. This was a shitty way of killing him off, he barely even put up a fight and looked so weak.
He was weak u bozo lol go cry some more
Isaac was a crazy man. He should have gone out like a man not ha ing a fit like a child that wasnt finished playing a game. I am so disappointed
“This piss……is for Manny”’Would’ve made it such a better scene lol
Bro isaac killed his dad i bet he didnt even think about manny in this moment
@@Jvlian816or tito
@@Jvlian816 he pissed on Isaac like Isaac pissed on manny lol
@@90sumbeats7it was Tito actually he set Manny ablaze
Tbh this is how somebody like Isaac would go out everybody’s a tough guy until they get punched in the mouth
That would explain why he didn’t want to fight in episode 5
This death was so underwhelming… I wanted Letty to do it.
I feel like letty acts tough because of her rough upbringing but deep down, she’s just not a killer.
@@boogalooshrimp5347Yeah, I hope she finally finds peace.
@@sonicdash761she had a few pieces pointed at her in the end 😅🔫
Why Larry? The whole storyline of her and Hope after CoCo died was completely pointless. Just like the stupid Broken Saints shit, the dumbass el banquero, the midget sister, all of it. Emily, Galindo-I never watched the show for all that shit. I understand you need other threads for a story, but they sucked
I'd prefer if it was Gilly who did it to avenge Coco
Writer's = EZ
Fans = Isaac
i knew Isaac was this weak, he just talked a big talk and went after women and old men. seemed to have some of you fooled saying he went out too easy haha
His Effing monologues everytime he was on camera were soo EFFING boring and dragged out and pointless and pathetic, i’m glad he went out begging for his life like a B1tch
Imagine actually talking like this show is real life
@@ighs100 I wasn't tho
I love how people act like the end of sons was so great jax running in to the truck was so corny give me a break
On God. They wasted so much time on bs story lines that went nowhere as well. People only say it's better cause it went on 42 episodes longer than Mayans. I felt nothing when Jax died because it was such a shitty death. Ez's was absolutely fucked🫤
This was one of the deaths of all time. Truly groundbreaking stuff Elgin James
I always thought it would have been more poetic for petty to kill packer but after he killed ezs dad it makes sense
I am glad this show is over
They did not do the series finale justice at all, smfh.🤦🏽♂️
When this happened and I saw the time left...
"That's it??"
Issac was catching mayans unguarded all season killing of whole charters and he was killed off in the back alley of a club in the middle of a day party 😣😣😣
Knew all those hardcore squats and ice baths were for this fight or kinda fight? I was hoping for Ez to beat the crap out of Issac with 1 arm Then shoot him in the abdomen, while Issac was in and out of consciousness Ez would piss on him, Then set him on fire 🔥🔥🔥
Thats just me though
dog its a FX tv show not a dark web snuff film 😂😂 isaac was the crazy sadist that wanted to be extra about everything. ez's cold & calculated, it was like this on purpose
When he ran from ez was funny
EZ got to whoopin dat azz 😂😂😂
They rolled up at a concert in the middle of the day … and apparently no sons had any guns on them. And for once .. we saw Sofia outside of the room lol
He crawls off the main street and round in to a dark alley. How convenient. *rolls eyes*
That's for manny
I think the point was to through the audience off. Everything don’t have to be a super epic clash. Sometimes the biggest threat can easily be taken out without realizing the threat is coming. Plus I think the point was to focus on the tragedy of the Mayans afterwards
The whole episode felt like they had no budget left to show big action scenes or set pieces like the did when the Mayans were under attack by other Mayans
All that build up.... To this...
In a way that he went out I felt like EZ was no longer playing the “Biker” role of honor, respect and all that shit. He lost everything and just act out everything embracing his inner thoughts instead of trying to be the big badass
That’s for coco…
He wasn't Ready!
Mayans would’ve ended at episode 5 if it was prez vs prez
Great job Elgin James 😅
lmao this mf issac begged for his life like he thinks he's immortal, good revenge for Felipe which at least he went out like a real man
Brutal but lazy
So.... what happens now is the war over?...is samcro just Going to let one of their chapters get wiped out
Ikr that made me so mad the whole season I understand the actor for Chibbs doesn’t want to return and probably was filming his role in power when they made this season but they could’ve had tug come back he was just here last season and had Quinn be in more episodes as he agreed to come back since he’s in episode 8 it just doesn’t make sense that we don’t see much samcro this season and there is absolutely no retaliation for happy’s death
Well samcrow prob didn't care too much about issac he was as much a problem for them as Santo Padre and ez was to the myans maybe samcrow probably already new what was going to go down with Santo Padre getting wiped out at the end they are Def the smartest chapter to bad they had to end it with a bunch of quick fixes that didn't really fix anything lol
They could of end it so much better that ending was shit
how were tthe sons not ready for retaliation. they got killed so easily
Karma 💯💯💯💯❤😁
Anyone ever wonder how the show would of been if Kurt stayed
Yo...Issac was just a meth head who was tweaking. EZ is a full on athlete it doesn't surprise me that issac went down so easily
He only had power because he was Packer's baby brother, hence the reason he always had others do the actual work for him. He was fun to watch, but this was the only way the final fight with him was gonna end.
Last season of game of thrones all over again.
That bone snap at 0:35! Yikes!
Issac had no chance on the 1v1
They should of burnt Isaac the same way manny went out
I’m very happy this happened 👍
Been waiting for this since Manny went 💔
Crystal Meth Jesus. That was funny.
Juice death is far more memorable and brutal than main antagonist on this shit shot.
sad mayans go this bad.
Isaac death was so weak
So was Isaac. Crazy is not strong. It's fun to watch, but it's not strong.
I who had hoped for a spin-off that would be about Isaac. He was my favorite in the last few seasons of Mayans.
Wait wait wait 🤣🤣
This fight was exactly like the ending: Lame. All that build up, and this is what we got???
I rarely ever harshly judge finales but damn was this finale rushed. The whole thing with the Mayans vs SOA was sooooo anticlimactic especially the "fight" between EZ and Isaac. If this had been handled properly Isaac would have messed EZ up before EZ killed him.
He was a mastermind not a fighter. Makes perfect sense . Always used people and played mind games .
i was hoping jax teller walked up behind ez and shot him the back of the head and said nothings over till i say so
Cringe af
😂😂😂 little fantasy world you live in.
Jax Teller decided to make himself roadkill, remember? How was that to happen??
@@copperdee3073 never showed his dead body
Oh he dead...
angel the one that got it goin on now
And of course They kill Issac off that easy i swear what a disappointment they were hyping him up to be this crazy ruthless Guy Only To Get killed in just 2 minutes i was hoping he would get a few hits in on ez but nope this fight between them was the one thing i was looking forward too and it was a letdown
I wish the would of let EZ and Bishop at the end
Feels like the ending was rushed
They should've been done this shit from the start
Isaac got easily beat up by EZ because EZ was young. Packer was old. ☠️
THAT'S THE WAR??
EZ should've killed Packer in d first place. ☠️
I kinda felt like they used easy to get through the final fight then when it was over did him in I could be mistaken though
Chibs was very lucky he in Chicago if he was still there he would be dead.
So who do y'all think would win a fight between Ez and Cole? My money's on Cole
I feel bad for Isaac and the sons …..
Would the Sons have agreed to kill a pregnant Tara? this ending was fucking garbage and Elgin James needs to retire
Wack
The 5 minute bar fight was the worst thing that could happen to the sons instead of a fair fight … GB siding with the Mayans over this is bullshit
They kinda ruined the show with the last season. Showdown in the last 20 minutes, ez never had a ladt conversation with Felipe, emily just kills Miguel, they never find out about Tazas shit and Adelita just disappears and nobody finds out wtf
No one was ever going to find out about her, of the main characters, only Angel cared about her, and he had no way of tracking her down. At best, the cartel lady might have tried to look into it, but it would have added little to the show...
Please, never let Elgin James work again.
🤣They should have him just write SpongeBob SquarePants episodes!
Tbh lol all these episodes felt like fillers and always about Emily or the atf, like did he not know what to make the action about he had so much to work with every time we seen the sons it was more talking than action
Nah man very easy scenario it was just like come on we have to finish
The actor for Isaac is always getting merc'd in most of what he does from the 100 to this.
All, but Teen Wolf.
THAT'S IT??
EZ should killed Packer long before pops was killed. 🤨
Too fast! Why?
2 weeks ago 😢
I didn’t like the ending but anybody can get caught. When they get the drop, a rookie can take out a vet.
For Coco.
He didn't belive in heaven
Isaac's death should've dragged SAMCRO into the war. Agree or disagree with the war but SAMCRO (and the other SOA chapters) can't just sit back and let SB just get wiped off the face of the map and not retaliate. That's a horrible look. Show had a lot of potential.
Siento que mayans mc podia dar mucho mas 😢
Isn't Isaac running out on his brothers an act of cowardice & betrayal? Punishable by meeting Mr. Mayhem?
Isaac Packer died a coward
That dont even look like the same actor 4th time watching
1:13
I don't believe the rest of the Sons' charters would retaliate for Isaac's death and dissolving of SAMDINO. SAMCRO and probably all the other charters hated that junkie piece of shit. They let the Mayans and their allies destroy SAMDINO for the sole purpose of getting rid of Isaac, it wasn't just a win for the Mayans it was also a win for the Sons of Anarchy as a whole because they've finally ridden themselves of the cancer that was Isaac Packer. Plus, losing SAMDINO doesn't hurt the Sons' presence in Southern California, they still have charters in Long Beach, Chino and San Gabriel; the Sons will be alright. I just can't say the same for the Mayans though, they lost Santo Padre and their entire presence in Southern California. Their Oakland charters' President and VP are dead, so they'll either vote in a new leadership or dissolve the Oakland charter and the remaining members patch over to the Stockton charter.
As much as i like this show this death was very underwhelming