You are just absolutely amazing! We recently lost our church sound engineer, and because of all your helpful and extremely professional tutorials, I've been able to step up and assist the sound team. THANK YOU BRUNO!
You're welcome, glad the videos have been helpful. Don't be afraid to engage a local pro sound engineer in your area to train your team - they can do much more in person than I can through the internet ;)
As an amateur musicien, i have to deal mixers and in/out equipment. Siince his beginning, I regularly come back to Bruno’s video to refresh my knowledge. No one explain like him. Merci Bruno❤ hope that all these views on CZcams pay you.
Your videos are pristine. And EXTREMELY informative. I cannot thank you enough for being so detailed yet basic. Just remember, someone in Canada is always looking forward to your next instructional video. Regards,
+FluteHypnosia Thanks very much for getting in touch, glad the videos have been helpful. Feel free to get in touch directly if you have any questions :)
I attended a fairly well-known audio school known as Metalworks Institute (offshoot of Metalworks Studios) for Audio Production & Engineering. While they employ industry professionals, this video taught me *WAY* more than that program could've. Very non-intuitive and non-engaging "hands on" lessons with multi-million SSL consoles. I applaud you sir for your in-depth and well explained tutorial. *Bravo!*
Great to hear from you, glad the video was helpful. It's unfortunate that a lot of people in our industry are technically very proficient but have little ability to impart those skills to others in a systematic and pedagogically sound way.
What an absolutely amazing and informative video this, is just what I was looking for. I have to setup a six piece band using the 2x Behringer xenyx 1002b battery operated mixers feeding 2 x AHA battery operated powered speakers. As you guessed there are no mains. This video has given me the confidence to purchase those mixers so I can do the gig! Thank you so much!
Thank you for this video - you have confirmed what I have been thinking and you have saved me some time pondering. I am going to use this to free up some channels in my mixing desk for recording......... the sketch track instruments in live room into summing mixer > summing mixer out into 2 inputs on recording desk which will be recording the drum tracks. The summing mixer can be placed with the drummer where he can use it for a head phone mix where he can control the levels. This just uses 2 channel on the recording mixer compared to 4 (Bass, guitar 1, guitar 2 and vocals) best wishes
Dude thank you so much for this video. Im helping a church that has 2 Digital consoles and they are running out of channels. They have a Midas M32 and a Behringer x32. Unfortunately this consoles can not be hook up to add more channels digitally. So I had to go back to basics and refresh my memory. Your video was the best one. IM glad you never took it off. Thanks so much.
GLB Productions they almost running out. And the bad part is that the X32 doesn't allow to add another mixer for additional channels. You can only do a slave mixer for monitoring.So I'm going to do a sub mix and send it thru the auxes.
One of the clearest explanations out there. And such bright articulation ! Not a single "You know", "I mean", "Uummm", "And aaaaaa" not a single time !! Thanks a thousand times for sharing crystal clear infos !
I own a small sound company. I often use older analog gear, when specific gear is not being requested, or Im not meeting the requirements of a technical rider in a contract, and I can basically take whatever I want. I have a Peavey SRC 2400 24 channel console. I also have a Peavey MD 12 channel mixer. Peavey really anticipated the linking of consoles, and generally had really good patching facilities to make that possible. There are numerous times where I have used the 24 channel as the main console, and the MD is linked to it for additional channels...maybe for an opening act, etc... Peavey even allowed for the PFL/Solo feature to be linked via a single TRS 1/4" cable. So from the smaller MD mixer I take the Main L/R out into the Main Left/Right Aux In on the 2400. That simply sends the main signal from the MD to the Main bus on the 2400. This way you are not wasting input channels on the main mixer. The same feature applies to auxiliaries, and sub groups. This also makes calibration between mixers a bit easier , by removing the preamps that you are using on the input channels. This allows things like main graphic eqs, monitor eqs, and effects to benefit both mixers. The Peavey mixer you have there, features two stereo return busses...which route directly to your main outs. You could simply use two 1/4" cables coming out of the Mackie main outs, to the Peavey stereo return in #1. That would give you back your #1 & 2 input channels on the Peavey. Linking to busses directly together tends to give a better sound quality...using input channels can color the sound, depending on the quality of the preamps you're going through.
Yes I remember those old Peavey consoles, they had some truly unique and innovative features like the one you describe. It's great that you are keeping this older gear in the field - show us young guys how it used to be done 😅
Hi Bruno. Having been thrust into the position of leading a band a number of years ago, following the passing of my brother, I have found your videos to be an absolutely invaluable source of information regarding mixer settings, use of DI boxes etc etc. Not only useful but extremely easy to follow. Keep up the great work Bruno, Cheers, Stuart
This video is helpful. Thank you Bruno. Can you make a video, how to run a separate mixer and amps for monitors. i do not know that how i can mix/control the stage monitors when we have more instruments on stage but the main foh console has only 3 aux sends. Thanks again Bro.
I'm so glad I found this as resolve to an on stage solution to my problem. I'm doing 5 piece band on A&H 22FX via 30 metre snake... now they tell me they have hired a line dance team that wants own full contol of their music and wireless mic! So fast came to the conclusion I need to put my mini 8 channel Beringher at their on stage position... so the last topic of this video requiring ground lift via a two channel DI will do tbe trick The Beringher has balanced TRS out etc. Setting tbe gains using a spotify test tone is most helpful. Another interesting thing was using another desk for its effects coming in on the inserts. It's the lead singer that was'nt happy with the effects on the 22FX but thats probably me that needs more practise but hello I can use tbe desk tbe lead singer likes and simply plug in... awsome value gained tbrough this video. Many thanks
Thanks that was a massive help. I doing a school reunion and putting together a band with old class mates. Started off quite low key but the drummer now says he is fully micing up his kit and has a mixer. So this will surely help!! Thanks a million
Thank you for your explanations. I'd like to know how to connect a crossover a compressor an equaliser to the same mixer and what are their effect over the sound
When I had to "buddy up" two mixers I made Passive Mixing adaptors with resistors inside the jacks and XLRs. I wanted the foldback and FX sends to be parralled as well as just the main outs. The resistor values will vary depending on the mixers being used, but unbalanced mixing is often done with 20k (or even 10k) for each hot line with a 10k from hot to ground. Balanced passive mixing uses a resistor for each input hot and cold with another resistor across the hot cold line (roughly 1k for a 600R line). Sounds complicated but really it's just connecting up Y adapters with resistors in them. One some mixers, usually larger old-school types. you may have the luxury of Bus Inputs. These are desighned specifically for marrying consoles and make the job Sooo much easier. 😉
@@GLBProductions I'm talking spilcing the outputs together (main out outs And sends) rather than feeding into channel strips. Saved on channels, plus enabled full use of sends on both mixers. But yes this was around 2002. I've done it with Soundcraft Studio 16-8-2 (Sends modded Pre-Fade for live), Behringer Euro32 32-8-2 and Studiomaster Gold 16-4-2
Oh I get it you were combining the mixer outputs - good to hear that you used a resistive network rather than simply hard-wiring the outputs together. I've seen that a lot and it can cause some really noisy problems!
And I keep on learning... I have been submixing before, I never considered the 3 points you raised at the beginning; never knew about the 3 options of connecting the 2 mixers. I have learned about the 2 clicks for a balanced and unbalanced jack. You are the best! Thank you. this is the 4th video I have watched consecutively, just for the sake of learning.
Bruno, my compliments and thanks. I inherited the defacto "sound guy" role in my current band even though I'm the drummer. Normally our set ups are small but we have a gig up coming up out doors with added musicians and huge space, so I've had to engineer our set up and have latched on to your series. We normally can get away with a 1200W Mackie 808S but for this gig need to sent 2 sub mixers through it for Drums and additional inputs. Have it all mapped out but the Leader and creative driver of our group doesn't get the engineering problem. Your tutorials, particularly this one are a terrific resource (My biggest fear is incorrect gain stucture between the submixers and main mixer) and I thank you for sharing your knowledge. I've got plenty of cable, adaptors, mics etc- but am picking upo a "swiss Army" knife today :-) Bless you. Regards, CO
You're welcome Chris, great to hear from you! Connecting TWO sub mixers is quite exceptional, even in professional situations - you'll definitely find that the signal generator comes in handy for setting levels! Be very sure that the mixers are all on the same power circuit and you should be fine. In cases where the tester is not with you, any pink noise or test tone app can be used instead.
Always an admirer or AC Clarke. Great quote. One last question- Re the Tone Generator which non mic (line Level) should it be set to- +4 or -10? Assuming Pro Plus 4 but want to be clear. Thanks again.
Great video, thanks! I did this a few weeks before watching your video with a Phonic MU200XP and a Phonic MU1202, I used RCA to 6.35mm cables and took the Record Output of the first mixer and then plugged it into one of the stereo input channels on the second mixer. I was doing this because the main mixer we have a school, a Soundcraft Signature 16 blew up a few weeks ago and we had a load of shows to do so using this bodge setup was the only option really.
I spent probably 8 hours scouring the internet and youtube looking for an answer to my question that no one seemed to be able to do, or make clear. In one video you have answered everything, SO clearly and concise. Actually learning new things, and finding answers to questions I didn't even know how to ask. Mad respect, thank you for how knowledgable you are.
Bruno, These videos are such a big help. Even though I normally set sound for our band, I sometimes always run into certain situations were I need help....and you are that link and professional advice found. So easily understood, and no time wasted. Thank You!
Great! What a great explanation of this application. I’ve been making music for a long time and seem to be addicted to purchasing and using older 80’s mixers for my personal use but I’ve found that I’ve run out of channels. I’ve always done pretty much exactly as you’ve demonstrated but this is a great conformation with the knowledge to back it up. I really appreciate this video. Thank you.
Excellent explanation! I think it's the only video that explains this. I have two mixers . One small and one larger. But even so , when I want miking drums, the channels are not enough. So I thought in miking drums with small mixer and send that mixture to the largest mixer ; but did not know if that if he could do without running risks of damage. Your video is excellent and I think you're the only one that has explained . Greetings and thanks!
This is one of the best tutorials (generally speaking) very clear, very informative. Thank you very much, I was looking for exactly these informations.
great video, thank you, I have learned new things - I already performed some concerts in the past where I had to connect another little mixer to my main powered mixer - in my case I used the THE MAIN OUT channels from the little mixer to the input on THE TAPE channels on my main mixer and I had no problems - they were near each other on the same table and I have used a special cable for this kind of connection , directly made from the factory ... probably it is not the best solution, for sure - and your video made more clear all these ! ... :) thank you very much once again , be bleseed ! ... :)
on occasion, i come up short on mic. inputs. to remedy this i grab one or more of my shure m-67. they are relatively cheap on e-bay. a short xlr cableis all thats needed .you lose only 1 mic input on your main mixer, set to mic level. the shure mixer has a built-in tone generator for setting levels. the shure has 4 inputs. if this is not sufficient. add a 2nd or 3rd m-67. they can be banked with a short rca cable. some of the old stuff works good, unless you need stereo on the sub mix. then all bets are off.
Great points - certainly can't complain for the price! Besides the stereo issue, another thing to bear in mind about the M67s is that they don't have phantom power.
to start out, we are small potatoes. I've had to do this at home when we have had 8 musicians in our basement. small mixer into a Peavey mixer/amp. I used mt cell phone with a noise generator and had my tablet with a signal strength meter (db) I referenced all mics at the same DB level. we had one person that talks and sings very softly, we had to increase her mic, but everything worked great. We also connected 4 guitars, and a keyboard to it. We had a separate base head/ bottom. All and all we had a great time. Our jam sessions will start about 2PM and go to 11 or 12 at night. Some go and some came late. My wife plays Keyboard, Guitar, Base, accordion and learning the Mandolin. Check out Vickieskeys on FB. Thank you for you help. I always learn something and here I learned a lot.
You're welcome 😊 Yes the cable tester in the video has finally been discontinued. That Behringer unit is an unlicensed copy - buy at your own risk! Remember that any test tone/pink noise generator can be used - you can even use an app on your phone.
CLEAR, CONCISE INSTRUCTION. I AM GLAD i HAVE FOUND YOUR VIDEOS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE SHARING SAVING ALL OF US HOURS OF SEARCHING FOR LESSER INFORMATION. TECHNICAL BUT GENERAL ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT PROFESSIONAL SOUND PRODUCTS AND SETUPS.
I've been using a sub mixer and a passive di box with ground lift in place of an active di box in order to connect a bass that doesn't have an active preamp. I no longer have to worry about those 9volt batteries running out and the bassist plugged his headphones into it, eliminating that stage rumble the bass caused. I'm not smelling smoke so, I think I did it all right..
Yes this approach has been used with keyboard rigs for a long time, the only disadvantage being that you need to run additional AC power on stage. The solution to dead batteries in active DI boxes is to run them off phantom power and just take the batteries out.
GLB Productions Okay, good to know that I'm not doing this in a dangerous manner. I tried running the active di box without the battery with phantom power but was never able to get a decent volume with out some humming. plus the bass player was rattling the entire stage with his huge amp speaker. So I call myself killing two birds with one sub mixer. Thanks for the confirmation that it should be fine.
The reason I use a sub mixer is, my Yamaha MG16 has no effects loops on each channel, so I use my Samson MDR1064 for any channels that need to be processed.
Your video is very informative..applied your instructions as I connected two mixers together for the first time..a big thank you coming all the way from Fiji..
"Now if you are truly desperate you can route to the the tape inputs." That caught me off guard and made me laugh. As musicians and sound guys, we are always desperate to patch things together with duct tape, bubble gum, zip ties, etc. Whatever it takes to make things work.
Well, I wouldn't say we are *always* desperate... as a professional I try to plan carefully and anticipate as many problems as possible by carrying lots of spares, tools etc. There will be moments of desperation but that shouldn't' be the norm. Thanks for watching! 😊
Hi, in terms of the two-click method for recognising balanced and unballanced input, I am not sure if that is always the case. On my Yamaha MG10XUF, I experience the double click on all plugs including the unballanced - I think the manufacturer just used same input connectors throughout the device and probably just used 2 out of the 3 conductor contacts where specified unbalanced channels........I would therefore only use the rule for confirming that the input is unbalanced in case there is only one click. Otherwise I am blown by the quality of the tutorials, wow. All the best ;-)
Yes I think you are correct Tomas - I have only encountered TS sockets on Peavey mixers, other manufacturers seem to use all TRS sockets, presumably to simplify the logistics chain. Fortunately Yamaha does a good job of labelling BAL or UNBAL to remind you how the socket is wired!
Very educational. Very well explained with a clear tone, direct thus avoiding any confusion what so ever. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I Have watched a few of your other videos and I like the way you explain things. Best regards from Tustin, California.
A massive thank you, your videos are so informative, and explained things clearly and concisely, also excellent lighting and camera work with no awkward shadows. I have inherited an older Soundcraft EFX8 to mix for a banjolele play-out group, CV19 permitting..
You're welcome, thanks for watching. If you would like to support the channel please consider signing up to become a patron at www.patreon.com/glbproductions Every little bit helps!
Hi Bruno, The short video on the Facebook was recorded with my smartphone, I forgot to mention this. About the Bose L1 System. last night it was the first time I worked with this system. It sounds really great, but it needs a different approach because the boxes are behind the musicians. There was no feedback but it requires a very accurate adjustment. For example, if you give the violin a bit more volume for a solo piece to accentuate, you have to be very careful about feedback, normally there must be 6 meters between the two boxes to neutralize interference and I did not have that room. I am very inexperienced with this system (it is not mine) and it takes time to learn how to work with it. For now, I prefer the classic system because it gives you more room to work with, especially in small spaces. Nevertheless, I want to say that Bose has made something superior again with this system and it certainly deserves a worthy evaluation by engineers who have more experience than I do. The only downside is definitely the price! My LD system costs a third as much and is just as good for gigs of that size, about 250 to 300 people. That is my opinion for what it is worth. See you later. Frank
Yes the L1 approach is a very interesting one - the concept of placing the speakers behind the musicians is not new (the Grateful Dead used it in their wall of sound way back in 1974) but the L1s allow you to use standard microphones and still not have much in the way of feedback issues. One thing you can try next time - because the coverage from each L1 is almost 180 degrees, try placing them directly behind the band (not behind and to the side as in the video) facing straight ahead towards the audience. Then, try splitting the band in half down the middle, and just send half of the band to each L1. So, based on the picture on the website, you'd send piano, violin, left guitar and all the left side vocals to the left L1 and bass, drums, right acoustic guitar and banjo to the right L1. This will prevent interference between the two systems because each one has its own set of inputs and nothing is going to both systems. Try it and let me know how it sounds :)
Man, you are the best! No kidding, your tutorials are the best one in this area on yt, its like school teaching..you are so good, and thank you very much!!!
+Vladislav Roza Thank you, glad the videos have been helpful! I was a school teacher before I became a sound engineer so that probably explains the feel of the videos ;)
BEST Audio Tutorials on CZcams, thanks for your time and dedication. Is it possible to do this the other way round, send additional main mixer signal to sub mixer? To my understanding you would need a signal splitter so that you can connect specific signal/channels selected to the mixer and then send out from the sub mixer to earphone and monitor setup. Finances are an issue so the correct way would be buy a new mixer, but cannot afford that right now...
I am trying to get a In-Ear monitor set up. What I have tried is to send voice via AUX 1 and Instruments via AUX 2 as so I can control volume of both. Was not to successful on that, volume stays the same unfortunately (will trouble shoot later why this is so..) Anyway I was thinking if it is possible to take the channels that I want to a mixer, this would split the channels to earphones for the people that play instruments (via a Behringer HA8000 V2), and also to a on stage monitor just for the vocals. The sub mixer would be in place of the splitter, giving me more control, and eliminating the splitter. By the way this is for a church.
Yes you could do that, but in-ear monitors really require a specialist setup with the correct stereo sends for each musician. It is better to use an all-wedge setup than to have some on in-ears and some on wedges.
Thank you for your informative session. You said the subwoofer sits between the mixer and the amplifier but when you have a combination mixer amp how is it best to connect your powered sub?
You're welcome - I think you're referring to the active subwoofer video yes? With mixer-amplifiers aka powered mixers you need to find a line level output to connect to the sub, for example an aux send, main output or record out.
the 6+ db is what its called "pan law" when 2 channels are summed together and at panned left and right(which whats doing the console on stereo channel) there its a 6 db lost but if you leave them at center position those 6bd are summed.
Thanks for bringing this up - it also depends on the design of the mixer - some have what is termed a 'constant loudness' pan control which compensates for this by attenuating each signal by 3dB at the centre position in order to keep the volume of stereo channels consistent across the sound stage.
brilliant video! You clearly know your stuff and take great pains not to rush the viewer. I have learning issues and enjoyed it immensely. Unlike many 'pros' you don't ASSUME any superior knowledge level. Subscribed to your wonderful channel & 11/10 & 5*s. More please!
Many moons ago I was put in the position to run sound for my church and Bruno was my very first Virtual Sound Instructor. For that I thank you. I have an outdoor event coming up in which I manage to run out of all 16 XLR channels from a Mackie CFX20 MKII. I have another CFX16. My question is instead of daisy chaining the mixers can I not feed the main outputs of the 2 mixers into the 4 available inputs of my amp (Crown CE4000)? Thanks Bruno, keep up the good work!
+GLB Productions My bad. It looks that way but I have never use them all. 2 connections using either XLR or 1/4 TRS and 2 connections fastened by phillips screws. Our QSC RMX2450 actually has 4 but again I am not sure all 4 are available or you can use either set only. Thanks for the quick reply.
I just buy xlr and trs jacks and solder cables for setups on site. Always couple yars of plugs and buy one 20m cable, cut the cable and add jacks as you need.
+Scott Rader You're most welcome. If you would like to support the channel please consider signing up to become a patron at www.patreon.com/glbproductions?ty=h Every little bit helps!
Esta fue una extraordinaria y catedrática explicación. Mi agradecimiento y mi respeto. This was an extraordinary and professorial explanation. My thanks and my respect.
I'm glad I found this another video about 2 mixer connected to each other. I plan to use our yamaha mg16xu as sub mixer for my drum mics and connect it to main board alto live 2404 with a distance around 40ft using snake wires with xlr input/output, because our senior pastor wants to have more vocal microphones for the future. I will put the yamaha mixer beside to the drum kit so that I can mix on my own preference. Question, is it okay to plug an auxiliary send from the main board ALTO to sub mixer YAMAHA for IEM system (for me as the drummer) knowingly I'll use the sub mix for my drum mics? Or I'll just use another mixer intentionally for my own IEM system? I am a volunteer in our church and we don't have a sound engineer available. I just learn from my experiences for 12yrs (I started serving thru music since 12 yrs. old). And I'm the one who is also responsible for the mixing and taking care of all the instruments and sound system equipment. Hope you'll recognize my concern. Thank you GLB and God Bless!
Hi Emlit 😀 You can do this, but you have to make sure that you do not create a feedback loop between the two mixers: the channel that the Alto mixer connects to on the Yamaha must NOT be routed back to the Alto.
how if i use snake cable to connect both mixer because i put the sub mixer on the stage, and the main mixer on FOH. should i use di box to connect them? but i dont have one
nicely done Bruno, thank you so much but im kinda confused on 1 thing. I was taught by a very experienced live sound engineer to never "stack masters" when sub mixing. He said you always wanna use your booth or session out from your sub mixer to your main mixer. Never use your main outs from your sub mixer to your main mixer because it might cause a discoloration in your sound..
I can understand how having more than one master volume can affect the gain structure, but how would it affect the tone? Perhaps you could ask him for a more complete explanation the next time you see him :)
You are just absolutely amazing! We recently lost our church sound engineer, and because of all your helpful and extremely professional tutorials, I've been able to step up and assist the sound team. THANK YOU BRUNO!
You're welcome, glad the videos have been helpful. Don't be afraid to engage a local pro sound engineer in your area to train your team - they can do much more in person than I can through the internet ;)
church sound engineer?😆
don’t you mean sound room boy?
Good morning Mr Bruno, how would I connect two mixers; The main mixer for house boxes and the sub-mixer for monitor boxes
As an amateur musicien, i have to deal mixers and in/out equipment. Siince his beginning, I regularly come back to Bruno’s video to refresh my knowledge. No one explain like him. Merci Bruno❤ hope that all these views on CZcams pay you.
You're welcome Michel, and thank you for watching and supporting the channel 😊
This is what makes CZcams so powerful! Guys like you Bruno!
Your videos are pristine. And EXTREMELY informative. I cannot thank you enough for being so detailed yet basic. Just remember, someone in Canada is always looking forward to your next instructional video.
Regards,
+FluteHypnosia Thanks very much for getting in touch, glad the videos have been helpful. Feel free to get in touch directly if you have any questions :)
You're a genius. Thorough explenations, simple english, perfect video. Thanks for the knowledge
You're welcome, thanks very much for watching!
I attended a fairly well-known audio school known as Metalworks Institute (offshoot of Metalworks Studios) for Audio Production & Engineering. While they employ industry professionals, this video taught me *WAY* more than that program could've. Very non-intuitive and non-engaging "hands on" lessons with multi-million SSL consoles.
I applaud you sir for your in-depth and well explained tutorial. *Bravo!*
Great to hear from you, glad the video was helpful. It's unfortunate that a lot of people in our industry are technically very proficient but have little ability to impart those skills to others in a systematic and pedagogically sound way.
What an absolutely amazing and informative video this, is just what I was looking for. I have to setup a six piece band using the 2x Behringer xenyx 1002b battery operated mixers feeding 2 x AHA battery operated powered speakers. As you guessed there are no mains. This video has given me the confidence to purchase those mixers so I can do the gig! Thank you so much!
That's great Dusky, all the best with your gig!
Thank you for this video - you have confirmed what I have been thinking and you have saved me some time pondering. I am going to use this to free up some channels in my mixing desk for recording......... the sketch track instruments in live room into summing mixer > summing mixer out into 2 inputs on recording desk which will be recording the drum tracks. The summing mixer can be placed with the drummer where he can use it for a head phone mix where he can control the levels. This just uses 2 channel on the recording mixer compared to 4 (Bass, guitar 1, guitar 2 and vocals) best wishes
Just bear in mind that if you do this you will not be able to re-balance the levels of the drumkit during mixdown. All the best with your recording!
@@GLBProductions drums will go in to main desk to Daw, the sketch guitars will be in the note pad mixer just for reference. :) thank you
Astonishing video! You actually managed to string out 2 whole minutes of information to over half-an-hour!
The devil is in the details my friend 😅
@ 26:13 was the best tip most people dont cover. was nice to see you add it in
Thanks for watching right to the end 😄
One of the best mixing videos I have seen. You are a gifted teacher!
Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful.
Dude thank you so much for this video. Im helping a church that has 2 Digital consoles and they are running out of channels. They have a Midas M32 and a Behringer x32. Unfortunately this consoles can not be hook up to add more channels digitally. So I had to go back to basics and refresh my memory. Your video was the best one. IM glad you never took it off. Thanks so much.
Glad to hear that - they must have a LOT of inputs!
GLB Productions they almost running out. And the bad part is that the X32 doesn't allow to add another mixer for additional channels. You can only do a slave mixer for monitoring.So I'm going to do a sub mix and send it thru the auxes.
Simply awesome information and explained so that there is no doubt as to the message being relayed. Thank you GLB PRODUCTIONS.
You're welcome, Tommy!
One of the clearest explanations out there. And such bright articulation ! Not a single "You know", "I mean", "Uummm", "And aaaaaa" not a single time !! Thanks a thousand times for sharing crystal clear infos !
You're welcome! thanks for watching and supporting the channel :)
I really really really love this ... so educative and clear... Sir I am greatful, I salute.
I own a small sound company. I often use older analog gear, when specific gear is not being requested, or Im not meeting the requirements of a technical rider in a contract, and I can basically take whatever I want.
I have a Peavey SRC 2400 24 channel console. I also have a Peavey MD 12 channel mixer. Peavey really anticipated the linking of consoles, and generally had really good patching facilities to make that possible. There are numerous times where I have used the 24 channel as the main console, and the MD is linked to it for additional channels...maybe for an opening act, etc... Peavey even allowed for the PFL/Solo feature to be linked via a single TRS 1/4" cable.
So from the smaller MD mixer I take the Main L/R out into the Main Left/Right Aux In on the 2400. That simply sends the main signal from the MD to the Main bus on the 2400. This way you are not wasting input channels on the main mixer. The same feature applies to auxiliaries, and sub groups. This also makes calibration between mixers a bit easier , by removing the preamps that you are using on the input channels. This allows things like main graphic eqs, monitor eqs, and effects to benefit both mixers.
The Peavey mixer you have there, features two stereo return busses...which route directly to your main outs. You could simply use two 1/4" cables coming out of the Mackie main outs, to the Peavey stereo return in #1. That would give you back your #1 & 2 input channels on the Peavey.
Linking to busses directly together tends to give a better sound quality...using input channels can color the sound, depending on the quality of the preamps you're going through.
Yes I remember those old Peavey consoles, they had some truly unique and innovative features like the one you describe. It's great that you are keeping this older gear in the field - show us young guys how it used to be done 😅
Thank you Bruno! I wish I had been watching your series years ago!
Hi Bruno. Having been thrust into the position of leading a band a number of years ago, following the passing of my brother, I have found your videos to be an absolutely invaluable source of information regarding mixer settings, use of DI boxes etc etc.
Not only useful but extremely easy to follow.
Keep up the great work Bruno,
Cheers,
Stuart
That's great news Stuart, glad to hear that you've been able to step in to your brother's role. All the best with your music!
This video is helpful. Thank you Bruno. Can you make a video, how to run a separate mixer and amps for monitors. i do not know that how i can mix/control the stage monitors when we have more instruments on stage but the main foh console has only 3 aux sends. Thanks again Bro.
I'm so glad I found this as resolve to an on stage solution to my problem. I'm doing 5 piece band on A&H 22FX via 30 metre snake... now they tell me they have hired a line dance team that wants own full contol of their music and wireless mic! So fast came to the conclusion I need to put my mini 8 channel Beringher at their on stage position... so the last topic of this video requiring ground lift via a two channel DI will do tbe trick The Beringher has balanced TRS out etc. Setting tbe gains using a spotify test tone is most helpful.
Another interesting thing was using another desk for its effects coming in on the inserts. It's the lead singer that was'nt happy with the effects on the 22FX but thats probably me that needs more practise but hello I can use tbe desk tbe lead singer likes and simply plug in... awsome value gained tbrough this video. Many thanks
Your welcome, hope your events go well!
thank you very much Sir...a very brilliant video to watch.
Thanks that was a massive help.
I doing a school reunion and putting together a band with old class mates. Started off quite low key but the drummer now says he is fully micing up his kit and has a mixer. So this will surely help!!
Thanks a million
You're welcome! Just be sure that the mix the drummer sends you is balanced for the room and not for his headphones and you should be fine ;)
this was so educational. thanks for you hard work.
Thank you for your explanations. I'd like to know how to connect a crossover a compressor an equaliser to the same mixer and what are their effect over the sound
When I had to "buddy up" two mixers I made Passive Mixing adaptors with resistors inside the jacks and XLRs.
I wanted the foldback and FX sends to be parralled as well as just the main outs.
The resistor values will vary depending on the mixers being used, but unbalanced mixing is often done with 20k (or even 10k) for each hot line with a 10k from hot to ground.
Balanced passive mixing uses a resistor for each input hot and cold with another resistor across the hot cold line (roughly 1k for a 600R line).
Sounds complicated but really it's just connecting up Y adapters with resistors in them.
One some mixers, usually larger old-school types. you may have the luxury of Bus Inputs.
These are desighned specifically for marrying consoles and make the job Sooo much easier. 😉
Were those really old consoles? Modern mixers no longer have this impedance matching issue, thank goodness!
@@GLBProductions I'm talking spilcing the outputs together (main out outs And sends) rather than feeding into channel strips. Saved on channels, plus enabled full use of sends on both mixers.
But yes this was around 2002. I've done it with Soundcraft Studio 16-8-2 (Sends modded Pre-Fade for live), Behringer Euro32 32-8-2 and Studiomaster Gold 16-4-2
Oh I get it you were combining the mixer outputs - good to hear that you used a resistive network rather than simply hard-wiring the outputs together. I've seen that a lot and it can cause some really noisy problems!
Ja ja ja... "uneexpected string quartet mariachi band .... jaja ja Saludos desde México.
Greetings back from Singapore!
it is WONDERFUL to listen to someone who REALLY knows what he is talking about. ... SUBCRIBED!
Thanks Mark, welcome to the channel! 😊
Thank You Very Detailed Video .
And I keep on learning... I have been submixing before, I never considered the 3 points you raised at the beginning; never knew about the 3 options of connecting the 2 mixers. I have learned about the 2 clicks for a balanced and unbalanced jack. You are the best! Thank you. this is the 4th video I have watched consecutively, just for the sake of learning.
Thanks for watching Renes!
Bruno, my compliments and thanks. I inherited the defacto "sound guy" role in my current band even though I'm the drummer. Normally our set ups are small but we have a gig up coming up out doors with added musicians and huge space, so I've had to engineer our set up and have latched on to your series. We normally can get away with a 1200W Mackie 808S but for this gig need to sent 2 sub mixers through it for Drums and additional inputs. Have it all mapped out but the Leader and creative driver of our group doesn't get the engineering problem. Your tutorials, particularly this one are a terrific resource (My biggest fear is incorrect gain stucture between the submixers and main mixer) and I thank you for sharing your knowledge. I've got plenty of cable, adaptors, mics etc- but am picking upo a "swiss Army" knife today :-) Bless you. Regards, CO
You're welcome Chris, great to hear from you! Connecting TWO sub mixers is quite exceptional, even in professional situations - you'll definitely find that the signal generator comes in handy for setting levels! Be very sure that the mixers are all on the same power circuit and you should be fine. In cases where the tester is not with you, any pink noise or test tone app can be used instead.
Thanks. Great explanation on ground loops as well. will get in front of that as well. These musicians.....they think this stuff is magic :-)
Well, a wise man once said: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C. Clarke ;)
Always an admirer or AC Clarke. Great quote. One last question- Re the Tone Generator which non mic (line Level) should it be set to- +4 or -10? Assuming Pro Plus 4 but want to be clear. Thanks again.
You can use either level because you are using the mixer's gain control to achieve unity gain, but I normally use +4 :)
As simple as this concept seems, this video is very thorough and explains very well the differences in connecting mains and sub boards. Nicely done!
Allan Reinike Thanks for watching, appreciate the comment :)
Mackie VLZ 1202 made in the 90's - my first mixer. Still rocking.
Very well explained! You're doing a great service to people by sharing your knowledge and expertise in live sound reinforcement.
Thank you Jess, I appreciate that!
Great video, thanks! I did this a few weeks before watching your video with a Phonic MU200XP and a Phonic MU1202, I used RCA to 6.35mm cables and took the Record Output of the first mixer and then plugged it into one of the stereo input channels on the second mixer. I was doing this because the main mixer we have a school, a Soundcraft Signature 16 blew up a few weeks ago and we had a load of shows to do so using this bodge setup was the only option really.
Yes sometimes you just gotta do what ya gotta do 😂
Which RCA Cable did you use: male to male or male to female? Please advise.
@@TheBosstrainers I used 6.35mm jack to male RCA
Just what I was looking for ... and I don't think I could have had a better more patient and thorough demonstration! Thank you!! Well done!
You're most welcome Rudolf, glad the video was helpful :)
I spent probably 8 hours scouring the internet and youtube looking for an answer to my question that no one seemed to be able to do, or make clear. In one video you have answered everything, SO clearly and concise. Actually learning new things, and finding answers to questions I didn't even know how to ask. Mad respect, thank you for how knowledgable you are.
That's great, this is exactly why I set up the channel in the first place!
Bruno,
These videos are such a big help. Even though I normally set sound for our band, I sometimes always run into certain situations were I need help....and you are that link and professional advice found. So easily understood, and no time wasted. Thank You!
You're most welcome, this channel is all about helping people out. Let me know if you have any questions in future.
Loved your explanation and the best part was, you were not rushing into it. A good steady pace with the correct vid. Thank you.
You're welcome Ninad, thanks for watching.
Great! What a great explanation of this application. I’ve been making music for a long time and seem to be addicted to purchasing and using older 80’s mixers for my personal use but I’ve found that I’ve run out of channels. I’ve always done pretty much exactly as you’ve demonstrated but this is a great conformation with the knowledge to back it up. I really appreciate this video. Thank you.
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Excellent explanation! I think it's the only video that explains this. I have two mixers . One small and one larger. But even so , when I want miking drums, the channels are not enough. So I thought in miking drums with small mixer and send that mixture to the largest mixer ; but did not know if that if he could do without running risks of damage. Your video is excellent and I think you're the only one that has explained . Greetings and thanks!
+Diego Staltari You're welcome, glad the video was helpful. Feel free to get in touch if you ever have questions about your particular setup.
And EXTREMELY informative. I cannot thank you enough for being so detailed yet basic.
You're most welcome, glad the video was helpful!
Ugh... you don't even know how many times an unexpected Mariachi band or String Quartet sneak in my home studio to jump on a mix 🤣
Oh dear... 😂
my sound has realy improved when i started watching your videos
That's great, my videos are all about getting better sound for everyone!
This is one of the best tutorials (generally speaking) very clear, very informative. Thank you very much, I was looking for exactly these informations.
You're welcome Simon :)
you are the best teacher on CZcams period. thanks for all you do.
Glad the video was helpful, thank you for watching!
I thought this video would be too basic but there is some really useful information in here. Thank you!
great video, thank you, I have learned new things - I already performed some concerts in the past where I had to connect another little mixer to my main powered mixer - in my case I used the THE MAIN OUT channels from the little mixer to the input on THE TAPE channels on my main mixer and I had no problems - they were near each other on the same table and I have used a special cable for this kind of connection , directly made from the factory ... probably it is not the best solution, for sure - and your video made more clear all these ! ... :) thank you very much once again , be bleseed ! ... :)
on occasion, i come up short on mic. inputs. to remedy this i grab one or more of my shure m-67. they are relatively cheap on e-bay. a short xlr cableis all thats needed .you lose only 1 mic input on your main mixer, set to mic level. the shure mixer has a built-in tone generator for setting levels. the shure has 4 inputs. if this is not sufficient. add a 2nd or 3rd m-67. they can be banked with a short rca cable. some of the old stuff works good, unless you need stereo on the sub mix. then all bets are off.
Great points - certainly can't complain for the price! Besides the stereo issue, another thing to bear in mind about the M67s is that they don't have phantom power.
to start out, we are small potatoes. I've had to do this at home when we have had 8 musicians in our basement. small mixer into a Peavey mixer/amp. I used mt cell phone with a noise generator and had my tablet with a signal strength meter (db) I referenced all mics at the same DB level. we had one person that talks and sings very softly, we had to increase her mic, but everything worked great. We also connected 4 guitars, and a keyboard to it. We had a separate base head/ bottom. All and all we had a great time. Our jam sessions will start about 2PM and go to 11 or 12 at night. Some go and some came late. My wife plays Keyboard, Guitar, Base, accordion and learning the Mandolin.
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Thank you for you help. I always learn something and here I learned a lot.
Glad the video was helpful :)
Indeed you are the MixMaster. Excellent tutorial. Well done and thank you!
You're welcome, thanks for watching Rozcel!
I thought i attended a seminar pro audio.great! Many thanks.
Very thorough and very informative you put it into plain English which is great that should help anyone looking to mixers together enjoy your videos
+jeremiah french Thanks for watching!
Great video. Very informative. I just ordered the cable tester on Amazon. The make was Behringer. Maybe they got bought out.
You're welcome 😊 Yes the cable tester in the video has finally been discontinued. That Behringer unit is an unlicensed copy - buy at your own risk! Remember that any test tone/pink noise generator can be used - you can even use an app on your phone.
CLEAR, CONCISE INSTRUCTION. I AM GLAD i HAVE FOUND YOUR VIDEOS. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR KNOWLEDGE SHARING SAVING ALL OF US HOURS OF SEARCHING FOR LESSER INFORMATION. TECHNICAL BUT GENERAL ENOUGH FOR EVERYONE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT PROFESSIONAL SOUND PRODUCTS AND SETUPS.
Very well explained. Hats off to your knowledge which explains with very clear technical details n slow vocals expression is appreciated. Thanks dear.
You're welcome Hemantha, glad the video was helpful!
Thanks glb production. My pleasure.
wow this has been so instructive and so patient!!! no flashy content, cut-to-point and very very useful!!! thanks you!
You're most welcome.
WOW !!! big thank you for the tip regarding the two clips to know if we have balanced or unbalanced connectors!
You're welcome :)
Forever....excellent and always thorough..... World Class..Tutorials .............Thanks Bruno...
+William Earney You're welcome, thanks for watching!
I've been using a sub mixer and a passive di box with ground lift in place of an active di box in order to connect a bass that doesn't have an active preamp. I no longer have to worry about those 9volt batteries running out and the bassist plugged his headphones into it, eliminating that stage rumble the bass caused. I'm not smelling smoke so, I think I did it all right..
Yes this approach has been used with keyboard rigs for a long time, the only disadvantage being that you need to run additional AC power on stage. The solution to dead batteries in active DI boxes is to run them off phantom power and just take the batteries out.
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Okay, good to know that I'm not doing this in a dangerous manner. I tried running the active di box without the battery with phantom power but was never able to get a decent volume with out some humming. plus the bass player was rattling the entire stage with his huge amp speaker. So I call myself killing two birds with one sub mixer. Thanks for the confirmation that it should be fine.
You must have a very gracious bass player if you managed to get him to go from a huge amp to a pair of headphones!
The reason I use a sub mixer is, my Yamaha MG16 has no effects loops on each channel, so I use my Samson MDR1064 for any channels that need to be processed.
Your video is very informative..applied your instructions as I connected two mixers together for the first time..a big thank you coming all the way from Fiji..
You're welcome Aisea, thanks for watching!
The fog has lifted. Thanks. Great Video and Narrative.
You're welcome Richard :)
"Now if you are truly desperate you can route to the the tape inputs." That caught me off guard and made me laugh. As musicians and sound guys, we are always desperate to patch things together with duct tape, bubble gum, zip ties, etc. Whatever it takes to make things work.
Well, I wouldn't say we are *always* desperate... as a professional I try to plan carefully and anticipate as many problems as possible by carrying lots of spares, tools etc. There will be moments of desperation but that shouldn't' be the norm. Thanks for watching! 😊
Hi, in terms of the two-click method for recognising balanced and unballanced input, I am not sure if that is always the case. On my Yamaha MG10XUF, I experience the double click on all plugs including the unballanced - I think the manufacturer just used same input connectors throughout the device and probably just used 2 out of the 3 conductor contacts where specified unbalanced channels........I would therefore only use the rule for confirming that the input is unbalanced in case there is only one click.
Otherwise I am blown by the quality of the tutorials, wow. All the best ;-)
Yes I think you are correct Tomas - I have only encountered TS sockets on Peavey mixers, other manufacturers seem to use all TRS sockets, presumably to simplify the logistics chain. Fortunately Yamaha does a good job of labelling BAL or UNBAL to remind you how the socket is wired!
Right on the money bruno well done for begin ers as well as advanced tecks
Thanks for watching Russell!
The is one of the best educational video that I have seen on youtube. Great job and many thanks.
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Got a lot out of your instructions. Thanks very much for all the options and the good reminders to remember.
You're welcome, thanks for watching and supporting the channel :)
Very very professional and informative.Thanks Phil.
Very educational. Very well explained with a clear tone, direct thus avoiding any confusion what so ever. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I Have watched a few of your other videos and I like the way you explain things. Best regards from Tustin, California.
Thanks for watching Leo, appreciate your support for the channel!
Beautifully explained. Cleared doubts regarding connections. Very very informative. Thanks a lot for valuable information.
You're most welcome.
You are the first one hou explained very well how to cone t two mixer, thank you, (excuse my anglish)
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You're welcome Jean, thank you for watching :)
World class. Thank you so much for a elaborate explanation and covering several cases. I would rate this video in my top 5 useful videos on youtube.
Thanks for watching my friend, very glad the video was useful!
A massive thank you, your videos are so informative, and explained things clearly and concisely, also excellent lighting and camera work with no awkward shadows. I have inherited an older Soundcraft EFX8 to mix for a banjolele play-out group, CV19 permitting..
You're very welcome, all the best for your music!
You sir, a true lifesaver! Subscribed.
The best teacher anybody could ask for.
Thank you again boss!
You're welcome, thanks for watching. If you would like to support the channel please consider signing up to become a patron at www.patreon.com/glbproductions Every little bit helps!
You're a very good teacher.
Thanks for watching!
Once again - millions of thanks, Bruno! Most useful video as usual! Thanks and regards from Russia!
You're welcome Alex, happy new year and have a great 2021!
Hi, I'm from Romania! I'm very pleased of you video! it's well understanding video! congratulations! good luck!🙏
Thanks for watching, Florin!
Great video, very thorough and broken down correctly without all the BS. Thanks :)
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Hi Bruno, The short video on the Facebook was recorded with my smartphone, I forgot to mention this.
About the Bose L1 System. last night it was the first time I worked with this system.
It sounds really great, but it needs a different approach because the boxes are behind the musicians. There was no feedback but it requires a very accurate adjustment. For example, if you give the violin a bit more volume for a solo piece to accentuate, you have to be very careful about feedback, normally there must be 6 meters between the two boxes to neutralize interference and I did not have that room. I am very inexperienced with this system (it is not mine) and it takes time to learn how to work with it.
For now, I prefer the classic system because it gives you more room to work with, especially in small spaces.
Nevertheless, I want to say that Bose has made something superior again with this system and it certainly deserves a worthy evaluation by engineers who have more experience than I do. The only downside is definitely the price!
My LD system costs a third as much and is just as good for gigs of that size, about 250 to 300 people.
That is my opinion for what it is worth.
See you later.
Frank
Yes the L1 approach is a very interesting one - the concept of placing the speakers behind the musicians is not new (the Grateful Dead used it in their wall of sound way back in 1974) but the L1s allow you to use standard microphones and still not have much in the way of feedback issues.
One thing you can try next time - because the coverage from each L1 is almost 180 degrees, try placing them directly behind the band (not behind and to the side as in the video) facing straight ahead towards the audience. Then, try splitting the band in half down the middle, and just send half of the band to each L1. So, based on the picture on the website, you'd send piano, violin, left guitar and all the left side vocals to the left L1 and bass, drums, right acoustic guitar and banjo to the right L1. This will prevent interference between the two systems because each one has its own set of inputs and nothing is going to both systems. Try it and let me know how it sounds :)
Man, you are the best!
No kidding, your tutorials are the best one in this area on yt, its like school teaching..you are so good, and thank you very much!!!
+Vladislav Roza Thank you, glad the videos have been helpful! I was a school teacher before I became a sound engineer so that probably explains the feel of the videos ;)
+GLB Productions excuse for deleyed reply.. wonderful, no kidding your videos are awesome! Al the best!! :)
Thank you very much for this video, even got the Ebtech 6in1 tester.
Great I'm sure it'll serve you well - remember to change the batteries at least once a year!
I really need more of your video..
Feel free to watch all of them 😄
BEST Audio Tutorials on CZcams, thanks for your time and dedication. Is it possible to do this the other way round, send additional main mixer signal to sub mixer? To my understanding you would need a signal splitter so that you can connect specific signal/channels selected to the mixer and then send out from the sub mixer to earphone and monitor setup. Finances are an issue so the correct way would be buy a new mixer, but cannot afford that right now...
What are you trying to achieve?
I am trying to get a In-Ear monitor set up. What I have tried is to send voice via AUX 1 and Instruments via AUX 2 as so I can control volume
of both. Was not to successful on that, volume stays the same unfortunately (will trouble shoot later why this is so..) Anyway I was thinking if it is
possible to take the channels that I want to a mixer, this would split the channels to earphones for the people that play instruments
(via a Behringer HA8000 V2), and also to a on stage monitor just for the vocals. The sub mixer would be in place of the splitter, giving me more control, and eliminating the splitter.
By the way this is for a church.
Yes you could do that, but in-ear monitors really require a specialist setup with the correct stereo sends for each musician. It is better to use an all-wedge setup than to have some on in-ears and some on wedges.
Thank you for your informative session.
You said the subwoofer sits between the mixer and the amplifier but when you have a combination mixer amp how is it best to connect your powered sub?
You're welcome - I think you're referring to the active subwoofer video yes? With mixer-amplifiers aka powered mixers you need to find a line level output to connect to the sub, for example an aux send, main output or record out.
the 6+ db is what its called "pan law" when 2 channels are summed together and at panned left and right(which whats doing the console on stereo channel) there its a 6 db lost but if you leave them at center position those 6bd are summed.
Thanks for bringing this up - it also depends on the design of the mixer - some have what is termed a 'constant loudness' pan control which compensates for this by attenuating each signal by 3dB at the centre position in order to keep the volume of stereo channels consistent across the sound stage.
brilliant video! You clearly know your stuff and take great pains not to rush the viewer. I have learning issues and enjoyed it immensely. Unlike many 'pros' you don't ASSUME any superior knowledge level. Subscribed to your wonderful channel & 11/10 & 5*s. More please!
Thanks for watching Tony :)
Many moons ago I was put in the position to run sound for my church and Bruno was my very first Virtual Sound Instructor. For that I thank you. I have an outdoor event coming up in which I manage to run out of all 16 XLR channels from a Mackie CFX20 MKII. I have another CFX16. My question is instead of daisy chaining the mixers can I not feed the main outputs of the 2 mixers into the 4 available inputs of my amp (Crown CE4000)? Thanks Bruno, keep up the good work!
+geraldthai Hello Gerald! The CE4000 that I know has only two inputs - yours has four?
+GLB Productions My bad. It looks that way but I have never use them all. 2 connections using either XLR or 1/4 TRS and 2 connections fastened by phillips screws. Our QSC RMX2450 actually has 4 but again I am not sure all 4 are available or you can use either set only. Thanks for the quick reply.
Thank you very much for your video. This is exceptional work there, detailed and easy to understand guidelines. Bravo sir!
You're welcome, glad the videos have been helpful :)
I just buy xlr and trs jacks and solder cables for setups on site. Always couple yars of plugs and buy one 20m cable, cut the cable and add jacks as you need.
This was fantastic. Thank you so much. Please keep making these kinds of videos. You are very good at it.
Very thorough and useful. Great depth and focus in your explanations. Thank you for taking time and helping out.
You're welcome Tom, thanks for watching!
Your videos are great. Very useful, easy to understand, and relevant. Thank you for taking the time to do these videos.
+Scott Rader You're most welcome. If you would like to support the channel please consider signing up to become a patron at www.patreon.com/glbproductions?ty=h Every little bit helps!
Will I have to hook a dj mixer to the main mixer the same way thru channel one and channel 2
Esta fue una extraordinaria y catedrática explicación. Mi agradecimiento y mi respeto. This was an extraordinary and professorial explanation. My thanks and my respect.
You're most welcome Jose, thanks for watching 😊
I'm glad I found this another video about 2 mixer connected to each other. I plan to use our yamaha mg16xu as sub mixer for my drum mics and connect it to main board alto live 2404 with a distance around 40ft using snake wires with xlr input/output, because our senior pastor wants to have more vocal microphones for the future. I will put the yamaha mixer beside to the drum kit so that I can mix on my own preference.
Question, is it okay to plug an auxiliary send from the main board ALTO to sub mixer YAMAHA for IEM system (for me as the drummer) knowingly I'll use the sub mix for my drum mics? Or I'll just use another mixer intentionally for my own IEM system?
I am a volunteer in our church and we don't have a sound engineer available. I just learn from my experiences for 12yrs (I started serving thru music since 12 yrs. old). And I'm the one who is also responsible for the mixing and taking care of all the instruments and sound system equipment. Hope you'll recognize my concern. Thank you GLB and God Bless!
Hi Emlit 😀 You can do this, but you have to make sure that you do not create a feedback loop between the two mixers: the channel that the Alto mixer connects to on the Yamaha must NOT be routed back to the Alto.
I am watching this again! This is so helpful! Thank you Bruno so much for your support.
Projector It's good to revise and revisit things. You're welcome Leda :)
how if i use snake cable to connect both mixer because i put the sub mixer on the stage, and the main mixer on FOH. should i use di box to connect them? but i dont have one
I have a video that shows this type of setup: czcams.com/video/rNwIo0DtwJk/video.html
So comprehensive and thorough. Love it !
Thanks for watching!
Wow, great video. This is the 1st i saw and much more to come.
Nice Swizz Army 6-in-1 cable tester.
Thanks, Billy
+PMR1WRT You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Glb productions, when I need your always there great job and rock on
I can't thank you enough.
nicely done Bruno, thank you so much but im kinda confused on 1 thing. I was taught by a very experienced live sound engineer to never "stack masters" when sub mixing. He said you always wanna use your booth or session out from your sub mixer to your main mixer. Never use your main outs from your sub mixer to your main mixer because it might cause a discoloration in your sound..
Very interesting! Did he explain why?
he said because you are only supposed to have ONE master volume in your system.... thank's Bruno!
I can understand how having more than one master volume can affect the gain structure, but how would it affect the tone? Perhaps you could ask him for a more complete explanation the next time you see him :)