Here we talk about the pros and cons of the Timberline HDZ shingle from GAF and how our experience has been with the product over the last year. northfaceconst...
You heard that just because more people install them than other brands. And that equates to more people not realizing a lot of their warranty coverage requires the use of a GAF Master Installer, or not installing 3-4 other additional GAF roofing products that are required to qualify for a particular class of GAF warranty.
I have a 10 year old HD Timberline roof and I was told that it's bad and time to replace. That they only last 10 to 15 years? I have some black mold on mine.
They're different, from my understanding. UHD has more dimension and shadow lines with stainguard plus, but HDZ has different tech like layerLock, a wider nail zone, and is lighter.
20% more weight/less prone to blow off. Being that they're thicker they create a more architectural appealing shadow contrast than HDZ. 10% more copper and zinc for longer algae/moss protection.
GAF HDZ is still inferior to Owens Corning Duration. Look at that "nail zone" on GAF and it's asphalt overlap. It's a joke. You still have to nail low in that zone to hit 2 layers. Otherwise you're blowing through that single layer.
All Stores Please Lower the price of all Military and Local for all Brands of Shingle Products and Accessories and Production Cost Now Thats too much $$ The Whole World Now 🙏🙏🙏
I wanted architectural shingles installed and my contractor installed GAP timberline HDZ and I am disappointed. They look flat with no dimension that my previous roof displayed. Bi difference
I prefer IKO DYNASTY. GAF is just a marketing company. They should apend their money on RND.... but we know GAF paid you guys, no need to deny it. GAF nailing zone is a scamm.. your "white nailing line" is the same thing on the old shingle. All they did was add a white line , it is not that they made it better. If you are a roofer you would know. But you are an office guy. GAF paid these guys. OC is way better too
Nah, you haven’t used them so you are speculating. I know this because If you have used them, you would agree. A nail zone can’t be a scam. It’s literally over 1” wide. How could that be a scam? OC does not have unlimited wind and 25 year stain warranty do they? Or a 1”+ nail zone… i respect your opinion but needed to call you out
@@marcusthompson666 is HDZ's nailing zone over BOTH layers of the shingle? I've seen the larger nailing zone but the bottom layer is still small as before. Would you mind explaining a bit better about that if you can?
@@giogarcia4747 GAF patented a bonding method where the two layers are fastened together. It looks like hot punch marks across the back. This makes the bond actually stronger than normal tar drips holding them together without needing huge overlap in addition to a nail through both layers. This allows a large nail zone without the need to also nail through 2 layers.
@@marcusthompson666 thanks for the reply! I'm not a roofer, simply a homeowner... isn't the nailing area stronger when the nails penetrate 2 layers instead of just one though? I ask that since there's a zone for nailing, whether that's 1" to 4" or whatever the size of the nailing area is... if it doesn't matter if there is only 1 layer or 2 layers where the nail goes through, why is there are nailing area at all? Wouldn't that mean that you could theoretically nail anywhere above the line on the shingle? I'm just wondering if it's better performance when the common bond extends to the WHOLE nailing area, giving you 2 layers of material when nailed. Thoughts?
@@giogarcia4747 It matters in other traditional shingles if it goes through both layers because a lot are only tacked together with spots of tar adhesive. Its required. With that HDZ layerlock technology the actual shingle layer substrates are fused together which is much sturdier than glue spots. You can see the dotted seam across the back. The nail zone is also made of special finer granules so the duragrip adhesive helps them stick harder as well and allows them to provide the unlimited wind warranty. I think they did a roof with no nails and blasted it with wind or something on an old ad.
@@giogarcia4747 had our roof replaced with OC Duration shingles last year and couldn't be happier. The roof looks amazing and was done by a certified OC platinum installer .. they are very high quality shingles with the sure nail technology and have great reviews. Many colors to choose from
@@TADDs101 thanks for the reply!!!! I appreciate that... do you happen to know what underlayment was used? Also, what type of fasteners were used.. Thanks again!
@@giogarcia4747 yes, the roofing company i used is a Owens Corning platinum installer and they use all Owens Corning products. I just went back and looked at my paperwork .. - Owens Corning IceGuard WeatherLock mat - Owens Corning synthetic Rhino underlayment
are you in partnership with GAF or was this a completely non sponsored video?
Will the GAF warranty be void if it is not installed by GAF certified contractors?
Is there a difference in the quality of the shingles if I buy Gaf Timberline HDZ from Home Depot vs from a roof supply store?
How do GAF Timberline HDZ compare to the Landmarks? I heard GAF is difficult to deal with in regard to warranty work
You heard that just because more people install them than other brands. And that equates to more people not realizing a lot of their warranty coverage requires the use of a GAF Master Installer, or not installing 3-4 other additional GAF roofing products that are required to qualify for a particular class of GAF warranty.
I still nail with 6 close to the bottom line. Never have any problems 👌
Well done explaining bro
are they better than malarkey
I have a 10 year old HD Timberline roof and I was told that it's bad and time to replace. That they only last 10 to 15 years? I have some black mold on mine.
You replace it when you begin to see it leaking. Otherwise it is fine. One sheet of plywood costs you only about $85.
gonna ask one more question. What does the GAF Timberline UHD bring to the table that the HDZ doesn't? Is it worth the upgrade to go up to the UHD?
They're different, from my understanding. UHD has more dimension and shadow lines with stainguard plus, but HDZ has different tech like layerLock, a wider nail zone, and is lighter.
20% more weight/less prone to blow off. Being that they're thicker they create a more architectural appealing shadow contrast than HDZ. 10% more copper and zinc for longer algae/moss protection.
GAF HDZ is still inferior to Owens Corning Duration. Look at that "nail zone" on GAF and it's asphalt overlap. It's a joke. You still have to nail low in that zone to hit 2 layers. Otherwise you're blowing through that single layer.
All Stores Please Lower the price of all Military and Local for all Brands of Shingle Products and Accessories and Production Cost Now Thats too much $$ The Whole World Now 🙏🙏🙏
Not sure what your talking about regarding HD vs HDZ. Gaf only has HDZ on their website.
They had 2 lines, hd and hdz hdz was better
DO NOT buy GAF shingles! They will not honor their warranty!!!!!
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Hundreds of roofs in 2020? This was definitely a sponsored video.
I wanted architectural shingles installed and my contractor installed GAP timberline HDZ and I am disappointed. They look flat with no dimension that my previous roof displayed. Bi difference
Wait until they delaminate and fly off in 15 yrs. They suck and so does GAF customer service.
I prefer IKO DYNASTY. GAF is just a marketing company. They should apend their money on RND.... but we know GAF paid you guys, no need to deny it. GAF nailing zone is a scamm.. your "white nailing line" is the same thing on the old shingle. All they did was add a white line , it is not that they made it better. If you are a roofer you would know. But you are an office guy. GAF paid these guys. OC is way better too
Nah, you haven’t used them so you are speculating. I know this because If you have used them, you would agree. A nail zone can’t be a scam. It’s literally over 1” wide. How could that be a scam? OC does not have unlimited wind and 25 year stain warranty do they? Or a 1”+ nail zone… i respect your opinion but needed to call you out
@@marcusthompson666 is HDZ's nailing zone over BOTH layers of the shingle?
I've seen the larger nailing zone but the bottom layer is still small as before.
Would you mind explaining a bit better about that if you can?
@@giogarcia4747 GAF patented a bonding method where the two layers are fastened together. It looks like hot punch marks across the back. This makes the bond actually stronger than normal tar drips holding them together without needing huge overlap in addition to a nail through both layers. This allows a large nail zone without the need to also nail through 2 layers.
@@marcusthompson666 thanks for the reply! I'm not a roofer, simply a homeowner... isn't the nailing area stronger when the nails penetrate 2 layers instead of just one though? I ask that since there's a zone for nailing, whether that's 1" to 4" or whatever the size of the nailing area is...
if it doesn't matter if there is only 1 layer or 2 layers where the nail goes through, why is there are nailing area at all? Wouldn't that mean that you could theoretically nail anywhere above the line on the shingle?
I'm just wondering if it's better performance when the common bond extends to the WHOLE nailing area, giving you 2 layers of material when nailed.
Thoughts?
@@giogarcia4747 It matters in other traditional shingles if it goes through both layers because a lot are only tacked together with spots of tar adhesive. Its required.
With that HDZ layerlock technology the actual shingle layer substrates are fused together which is much sturdier than glue spots. You can see the dotted seam across the back. The nail zone is also made of special finer granules so the duragrip adhesive helps them stick harder as well and allows them to provide the unlimited wind warranty. I think they did a roof with no nails and blasted it with wind or something on an old ad.
GAF WILL NOT HONOR THEIR WARRANTY! CHOOSE ANOTHER BRAND!
News flash - nobody honors their warranties.
BS. There are 2 sides to this story.
@@user-ls3dd7pi9k Cool! Fuck GAF and their shit products.
OC Duration 👍 need not say more
Actually yes, plz. Do. I'm in the process of deciding...
@@giogarcia4747 had our roof replaced with OC Duration shingles last year and couldn't be happier. The roof looks amazing and was done by a certified OC platinum installer .. they are very high quality shingles with the sure nail technology and have great reviews. Many colors to choose from
@@TADDs101 thanks for the reply!!!! I appreciate that... do you happen to know what underlayment was used? Also, what type of fasteners were used..
Thanks again!
@@giogarcia4747 yes, the roofing company i used is a Owens Corning platinum installer and they use all Owens Corning products. I just went back and looked at my paperwork ..
- Owens Corning IceGuard WeatherLock mat
- Owens Corning synthetic Rhino underlayment
@@TADDs101 awesome thanks for the info... that helps tremendously!