Enough Of This Nonsense - This Is The Most Invalid Complaint - TKG 185
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- čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
- Complaining about the quality of the box is stupid. Fight me.
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ONE DAY WE SHOULD SHOW OUR BOX COLLECTION, I KNOW MINE IS INSANE NOW EVEN INCLUDING THE POUCHES
I've got a whole closet full of boxes lol
I have a box for all my boxes. I call it the ‘box box’ 😂
Lol I do have a lot of boxes. I save the boxes in case I ever want to sell a knife. At one point I sold maybe 10 knives on Arizona Custom knives. It was great having all the boxes for the folders.
Yeah I have all my boxes haphazardly stacked on top of the kitchen cupboard lol amidst cans of beans and spaghetti
Andy Hayward I have to have multiple places because I have entirely to many 😆 I also keep an entire bag of pouches mostly for mailing knives to people
Well... Beauty (and value) is in the eyes of the beholder, and when collectibles are involved presentation matters a lot, especially in the secondary market.
That's why knives I know I'll never sell get their boxes chucked as soon as I've checked them for defects, and knives I don't love are stored in their boxes. I started that habit when I threw out the box of a knife that turned into a collectible (Benchmade 771B prototype if anyone cares) and my untouched knife ended up being worth a fraction of a used knife with a box.
You know you want a box made of gold witch opens up with interior lighting and plays AC-DC Thunder Struck as you open up the box!
Noted, if I ever begin making high end custom knives I'll just ship them in a sock I wore in the shop on the day I finished the knife
You hit the nail on the head, packaging cost more money why not put towards the knife keep up the great work
Exactly. If we want to get into "worthwhile" inclusions, let's see some extra hardware, tool if it's an unusual screw head type and of course the ubiquitous cloth. These add value. I mean I love my Civivi knives but I could definitely do without the pouch. Especially if they included some of those awesome t8 screws that still have a small enough head to work as body screws.
I think Apple really started this trend in mainstream society (very high end objects for the uber wealthy have always made much ado about the packaging).
But even for really spendy knives it doesn't make sense to sink money into packaging when it's likely someone already has storage arrangements, particularly for expensive kit.
Ahh crap…I’ve been keeping the boxes and tossing out the knives😮
I completely agree. I think I’d prefer no box every time. I’m not gonna use the pouch and I only have so much storage space
Gushing over “fancy” packaging is equally as annoying as complaining about “simple” packaging. Thanks MC!
MC, you've stated this better (and more emphatically) than I could have ever done! I agree completely, though in general, I don't put much thought into the packaging, what I vehemently DON'T like, is the "blister pack" packaging that some knives (and lots of other stuff) comes in! I find that I need an Obsidian-sharp, .25" thick, robust/stout frame/Axis/Atlas/XR/compression locked, Rockwell Hardness 80 knife just to get INTO those darn things! The plastic ziplocked baggie is much preferred!
I think you should watch how thrilled you were reviewing a 52100 manix 2 on a loaner to really see how far you’ve come.
Like you said, the only reason I save the boxes is for the secondary market.
Giving a nice box and packing is all about a sales tactic called "perceived value". They are definitely trying to give the buy the impression that the knife is worth more than is maybe is with flashy presentation.
I’ve had packaging elaborate enough to leave me thinking they could’ve put more into the knife!
Boxes matter when it comes to collector of toys...
MC if you bought a nice new knife with mokuTi or Timascus scales, and it arrived in a zip lock baggie all scratched up due to how transport companies treat packages. Wouldn't you be more than a little bummed out?
I actually like extra hardware (screws, clips, and whatnot) with a knife pouch to be included, just so you know where to find the extra hardware.
The only reason for packaging for me is when/if I resell the knife. People like to have everything that comes with the knife and that's the only reason I keep them. Some of the hard case packaging is cool though.
Think it was the Shamwari custom that would come in a ziplock bag. Packaging perfection!
As a collector, I actually want minimal packaging in a disposable form.
I have been slowly throwing away knife pouches because I literally have 200+.
I mean I don't care that much about packaging BUT. It's nice when a maker takes the extra little time on the presentation as well. The presentation doesn't have to be fancy, it just feels better to know your $800+ knife is secure during transport and not just in a zip lock baggie thrown in a bubble wrap envelope that's getting shipped across the world in some cases. Similar to an Apple product, you will never use the packaging, but they always have great packaging and presentation. Every small detail helps with the Complete experience of getting a new expensive product. Take the $700 Hog House Knives Model-T as an example, it just comes in a nice little wooden box. Nothing fancy, just a plain small wood box with some foam in it, and that little extra step cost the maker maybe $1 extra. So for me the packaging is more about being protected during shipping since I live in Norway, so pretty much all expensive knives are being bought outside the country and I know how the postal/shipping services treat packages. And many retailers just ship in soft plastic envelopes, so I can't rely on what packaging the shop decides to use in shipping.
Separated from my baby mama almost as soon as our twins were born because I live by this exact same sentiment. Once you get the goods, throw away the box. 😎
Hi, MC...you make a good point, and I can certainly see your point of view. However, as a former retail jeweler, I can tell you that presentation absolutely matters. The guy who lives on ramen noodles and PB&J for six months so he can scrape up $499.95 for an engagement ring for the love of his life wants to feel as good about his purchase as the High Roller who doesn't even blink at the $10K price tag for his. That means both rings need to be delivered in a box that looks and feels expensive. Yes, both women (if they say "YES!") will put the ring on their finger and the presentation box in a drawer.
Knife companies have no way to know if the piece they just sold is going to an end user or if it is going to be a gift. I just took delivery of a Civivi Mini Praxis, a very respectable knife for a measly $29.75. It came in the typical Civivi package: a clean, crisp white sealed box with a nice pouch inside. I even got the typical Civivi stickers and branded microfiber cloth just as if I had spent more than a hundred bucks for one of their products. I felt good opening it. I also feel good knowing that if I gift a Mini Praxis this Christmas to someone who is not really a knife person, they will hopefully feel special receiving it in all its packaging.
Yeah, I tossed my clean, crisp white box in the recycling bin and put the never-to-be-used pouch in a drawer. But those things served their intended purpose, and that pretty much needs to happen no matter what. The custom knife maker who delivers his expensive piece of work in a Ziplock baggie ought feel more proud of his work than that.
Just my two cents. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy your content!
I pretty much remember what all the boxes/pouches are that all my knives came in........but I dont want to remember and I hate that I keep them
I don’t have enough room in my dresser drawers for knives. They’re completely full of knife boxes.
The packaging is there to protect items for shipping to customers, period. It adds nothing to the quality of knives. In fact, most hand forged knives come in padded material or bubble wrap. Once you get the knife and decide to keep it, you throw the box away.
Idk if that was a Hank Hill impression but if so it was the best I've ever heard lol
Packaging is an issue where generally I do not care but if the knife cost more than 300 it should come with a CoA.
I find it hilarious how passionate you are about packaging 😂.
TRUTH! I DON'T GIVE A 💩! about the packaging!
Thank you for this video!
Exactly. Means nothing and is wasteful. Eliminate the added expense, cut the price, put it into the knife, or raise the worker wages.
Psychologically the box provides a sense of “taken care of” or something. That’s why we all keep our boxes other wise they are bs. IMHO.
No packaging > Boxes. Precious metal > Timascus.
I appreciate nice packaging, and am more apt to keep it if it is nice, but it’s certainly not what I’m after. Typically it receives a “ohh fancy…” from me, before I set it aside in a closet. Never to gaze upon its visage until it’s time to move. It’s mainly my ocd that keeps me from getting rid of them. I have no valid excuse. 😂
Great topic. I came in ready to argue 😂! But by the halfway point I was convinced of your argument 🤦♂️. I will admit I will continue to keep the box for knives I may sell on the secondary just in case. But will give up complaining about it 😂
Boxes are transport vehicles, then go to the recycling bin. They're used as a bargaining chip on the secondary market, because toys in their original packaging fetch so much more money. But toys in original packaging show that they were never played with. Boxes provide no evidence of carry or cutting use. They're pointless in the knife world.
I actually dislike having a lot of high quality packaging for a new knife. I will either carry said knife in my pocket or place it in a knife roll or case. The fancy boxes and pouches they come in are wasted. And I don’t have the room to keep them all.
I agree about the certificate of authenticity argument when you're paying that much for a knife when there are people that do regrinds that don't have maker marks and you think it is something special
I swear civivi knives would be 10% cheaper without all that packaging lol
I am in the military and I move a lot. I don’t keep boxes because it’s space I don’t have during PCS season. I have had people interested in a trade or sale just completely back out because of the box. Crazy that to some people that’s what’s important.
The guy said… “I am a collector, without the box it has almost no value.”
I like what Strider does. I’m not so fond of pouches because of their bulk. I collect knives and have limited space. So many of the cardboard boxes are flimsy as heck. Cold Steel comes to mind. I’ve bought lots of knives over the past four years and my favorite packaging came from Tactile Knife. They come in a box made of hard material just big enough for the knife. Pretty space efficient.
"That looks like a gas station knife box!"
Dude! 10/10 Hank Hill impression 😂. "With that much money I could buy a gun"
Packaging means absolutely nothing to me...STRAIGHT TO THE TRASH.
22:24 I sleep on a bed made of boxes and packaging!
Cold Steel packaging is designed to survive the entire container load falling off the ship, and a box washing up on shore with a greasy knife floating in bubble wrap.
Storage of stock supplied to retailers, vs a thing sent TO YOU from the hands that made it.
My stuff is often sent to customers wrapped in an oiled blue shop towel in a Priority Mail™ envelope...
Proud and cons, my friend...
I wish they all came in a small plastic bag. Then I wouldn't feel compelled to save the boxes. They take up too much room, but I feel like I shouldn't throw away the box because it devalues the knife.
I thought when i opened my first $1000.00 flipper . Music would start playing . lights would start flashing !! Im still waiting for that to happen
I'll admit I've complained about spending 1300 on a shirogorov and it came in a flimsy box but your right it makes no difference
Do the “for that much money it should come in nicer packaging” people get mad when a less expensive production knife comes in a mini pelican case with cut-out foam and a bunchof stickers? Or is that where the expectation comes from?
I don't care about the boxes once I receive the knife, but nice, sturdy boxes help protect the knife during shipment. This is especially important for import knives which may see dubious handling during the long journey from manufacturer to consumer. I think you glossed over this point during your 26 minute energy drink rant! 😀
I think there needs to be a happy medium between Hinderer throwing his knives in ziplock bags and Herman putting them in custom fit wooden crates.
At Christmas, I played with the box before the toy...
Tbh, I really don't care for the packages that come with knives, expensive or not. They either sit in my shed forever or my cat tears them asunder.
The MKM pouches with belt loops COULD be used for something. I prefer not to receive them. I'll take a plan brown box from Giantmouse with just the knife inside anyday
I like when they don’t come with a box bc I too feel obligated to keep and they take up so much space. Ironically enough about Strider you will get more money if you keep the oem tactical bubble wrap and baggy 😅
As a graphic designer and a lover of nice packaging I have to disagree. Personally i get the same kick out of nice packaging as i do from a nice knife.
My strider .75 at came absolutely beat up because strider is too cool for boxes. That’s a very valid complaint on a 600 dollar knife imo lol
Ngl I do like Benchmade pouches and good taco cases - the boxes not so much. I carry an extra knife, SAK, and flashlight in my sling bag, and have gone out of my way to get an extra Curtiss taco pouch to carry this extra stuff in. I really like extra hardware and tools though if the screws are not standard torques bits. In the car, I have a Benchmade Contego and emergency flashlight that are both in a Benchmade pouch in the glove compartment. The boxes are not very environmentally friendly though. Some designers, like Jens Anso, ship with cool hand embroidered and sewn felt pouches, which is nice.
1:11 I’ll call out knife center for not offering a box, zipper pouch and a Velcro shark lock patch. Instead they put my ad 20.5 knife center exclusive in a cheap frosted clear plastic tooling box 3:57 !!
I hate the boxes for the exact reasons you brought up. If you ever decide to sell your knive, not having the box, paperwork inside said box and if included the COA. What a pain in the ass. I've got way over 100 boxes that I must save and keep in pristine condition. I love that my Striders don't have stuff I need to save. I have a $5000 Strider XL Custom that came in a plastic bag. I'm savings the bag, lol, because it has a label.
Wow, I think it’s a sickness related to hoarding. I say this because my son is a hoarder and I think maybe I am. I have a closet and attic filled with boxes/packaging. Only recently I’ve started eliminating and it is so freeing to get rid of them. Still difficult but there you go.
I save all my boxes even though space is at a premium. All 850 of them.
It’s no more irrational than about a hundred other things we obsess about as knife nuts. Boxes aren’t something that cross my mind when buying a knife, but I get why it may be important to some people.
I want the original packaging. If the original packaging is NO packaging… no problem.
its a shame ur strider tip is broken
Pocket, nightstand, desk drawer, enough for me. I don't store my knife in its packaging. Give me the Strider zip lock and knock a few bucks off, I'm good.
I keep all my knife box's in a big somewhat shallow box. LOL. It's getting full though, but seriously if you ever plan on selling some of your knives people will pay more if they have the box and paperwork and whatever else the knives come with. At least I would.
Packaging obsession is the decline of our civilization and an insult to the knife maker. We are valuing 5 seconds of entertainment (the opening experience) over a lifetime of utility (actually using the knife). It is self indulgent, wasteful and environmentally unfriendly because (as long as the knife arrives undamaged) it’s purpose is to make the buyer “feel good.” Not from the makers effort in designing and crafting the knife, but in their decision purchase certain cardboard Packaging, not made in USA. Pretty soon we will be complaining about the unboxing experience when purchasing cars, trucks, houses and puppies. We demand that we be delighted.
I prefer to pay more for packaging I'll never use (unless I sell it).
No I don't that's dumb.
BUT it is a nice touch when something you buy comes with a nice package (that's what she said)
Like some of the fitted boxes (not just a foam cut out) are super cool (like the herman box)
I know you saved that plastic bag!
The only knife I've ever griped about the packaging is my Deadlock Model C. Not because I care about the box, but because it was $1,500 worth of aluminum, and I don't trust the shipping companies not to beat the ever living shit out of it.
😂 I don’t EDC the pouch! Great response! Much love MC ☮️ positivety prosperity and progression
That orange monster drink looks like a gas station drink. Or my favorite: You'd think AN AMERICAN could drink a damn CUP of COFFEE!!!
"But man ,you could have bought a gun for that much. " ... is the number 1 thing my friends say to me.. I have all the guns I needs. I can't Cary them or display the. They have to stay locked in a safe..knives don't!
I don’t care much what kind of packaging the knife comes in, the big reason I keep all the boxes is in case I sell them. I’ve seen enough Pawn Stars episodes to know that the box can be VERY important when it comes to collectables resale value.
If I had more money, and never planned on selling anything I would absolutely buy a nice Pelican case like you have MC, but for now, the boxes do help keep everything in good condition.
boxes only matter if you are planning to resell.... now i need to consider if i want another f5.5 or 100 tacos...
A pocket knife belongs in a pocket. Not a box.
for that much money - you most likely already have a pelican case and or display to set it in when you don't carry!
100% agree. Demko is a perfect example. The box is about as cheap and flimsy as you can get, I don’t care, the knife inside quickly gets all my attention, the box gets tossed in a cabinet.
Hinderer’s another good example… most plain Jane box I’ve ever seen for a knife, but I didn’t buy the knife for the box I bought the knife for the knife
A man should only care about one box in his life, and not the one that comes with his knife! Folks will find anything to complain about when they feel like they are spending money on things they don’t want to.
Packaging costs money, nothing is free. My thought process is that since I don't want to pay for packaging or keep packaging for resale purposes, why should I make other people deal with that as well. When I get a nice box I'm not going to use I just think "how much of the price of the knife was this stupid box"
Send it in a used sock, idgaf. Then pass the savings onto me, the purchaser.
Great episode but sorry you didnt get my full attention. I basically stared at the center left knife (Oil Slick?) for 25 minutes.
I laughed when my OKC Strike Fighter came without a box. Some people get bent for nothing. You open a protech auto and it's a fancy magnetic double hinged box and the knife is in a fancy little sleeve. I know I paid for that, I'd rather just buy a damn knife 🤣
Burning all knife boxes can set you free
Ironically, the only real reason the founder of The James Brand gave for their inflated pricing on the BladeHQ interview was how nice thier packaging is. So hilariously dumb.
Nice rant within a rant...the gas station knife thing right in the middle of the packaging rant.
Dunno...neon green skulls ALWAYS means gas station knife if you ask me.
Does a Rolex come in a sandwich bag ?
I agree, I have a closet full of knife boxes. On a related note, I recently picked up a We Knives Reiver and the packing was beautiful.
It’s all about what’s in the package not the package itself.
Honestly it kinda makes me feel better about the authenticity of the knife. If enough effort is put into the packaging. What are the chances some Chinese clone makers are going to perfectly recreate both the knife and the packaging, and the COA. Personally after I have the knife, I don't care anymore and it can go in the garbage. But it does make me feel better having the box and everything that goes with it.
I never cared about boxes/packaging but I love that pouch from null knives the sentry I think it’s called lol I carry everything else except a knife in it 🤣 I think I my be addicted to the gear factor now 😮
If you paid $3k for a knife, it should come with a signed affidavit that the maker will name his first born after you- even if it's a girl!
I’m just happy scott the hardware store doesn’t have to send packaging anymore 😂
Brad said it best….“What’s in the box??? What’s in the box??!!” 😂 Great argument, what is in the box is far more important than the box.
I honestly wish they would do away with boxes, it’s true, you need to keep the stupid boxes because some knucklehead will act like if there is no box, the knife is worth half now
For me the issue is striders have notoriously poor fit and finish when compared to other high end American makers, are outrageously priced compared to other high end American makers AND don't come with anything resembling decent packaging.
TKG is some of my favorite content. Good stuff!
Does this mean lanyard people are not public enemy #1?
I never cared about the box, I don't want the cost of my knife to go up because of the box. Knives are meant to be used, like I do care about a nice sheath if it's a fixed blade.