One of you just beat me to liking my own video, whoever you are… you are the MVP (first time that’s happened)! Let me know what you think of the look of the Evotech tail tidy and what other modifications you’re thinking about for your own bike.
That was a good video. When I installed my Evotech tail-tidy Because I’m not electronically inclined I had to scour the Internet to find any pictures or written directions explaining which color Evotech wires plugged into which stock break light colored wires. I finally found a picture which was less than ideal, but had the information needed. Do have a slight problem though. I put a set of LEDs (sicass brand) they work, meaning they blink but after two seconds an error code covers the display. This goes away as soon as the signaling is done. Although really don’t mind it because I never forget to turn my signals off😂 OK the real problem came when trying to install the same brand of LED signals upfront, they didn’t work they just stayed on. No flashing. Apparently the flasher is written in the ECU. The only way LEDs work on both front and back is if you buy KTM‘s then plug it into a shop computer telling it to recognize them. At least that’s what the dealership was telling me. What I was hoping is someone smarter than me could figure out how to take a brand I like and have them output the same as KTM brand. Then I suppose take it back to a dealer and have them recognized (pay the extortion cash to have them turned on) I know, a bit long-winded.
To switch from incandescent bulbs to LED's you need resistors in line with each signal to match the factory wattage. Since LED's use less power than incandescent bulbs, the bike thinks something is wrong, it can also mess with the blink rate of the turn signals. I think what your dealership is talking about is ordering OEM KTM LED turn signals and switching the bike into LED mode. (This is how they come standard in Europe). But you can absolutely install LED's on the US spec bike and get it to work with just some resistors.
I completely understand your plight, I’ve been reading about LED mode and the extra resistance necessary to get aftermarket’s to function properly. I will certainly keep everyone in the loop with what direction I go. Also, @Dukie, reach out on IG (Alejandro_EngineeredLifestyle) I have an idea you could help me with!
Thanks for the clarification, I really appreciate when we can collectively answer a question on these videos as I am also in the learning process! Cheers!
@@v4Mark Yes you are most definitely right. I had asked if they, the dealer, could order me some and strangely they couldn’t. When first looking into this I did heard about resistors on some forms and the dealer had mentioned it as well, again they couldn’t help execute it. In my day you could go to a local Radio Shack and sort something like this out. Alas no more!
Yes. You need the resistors. You can do one 21 ohm resistor on each side R/L, or 10 ohm resistor on each LED. I went with the 10 ohm resistor to minimize heat. I have not heard of any issues with heat using the 21 ohm resistors, but they do have fins for cooling. So I went with the 10 ohm to be on the safer side of that issue. There is a lot of information on the KTM 790 Duke Forum, just do a search. :)
Alejandro, I just installed this on my 2022 Duke 890 with an American license plate. I used a drill and a centerpunch to drill two holes for the upper two license plate mounting bolts in the mount. This is accomplished by centering the plate in its mounting location and carefully marking where the holes should be for the two upper bolts. Centerpunch the marked spots so the drill doesn't walk off the correct position when you get started. I used a new tungsten step-bit, stopping when the holes were 1/4" in diameter. I mounted with stainless steel 1/4"-20 bolts with nylon lock nuts. If you drill correctly, the holes will be at the outer edge of the current bolt slot. Bolting up will be easy. You can get away from the zip ties and complete your installation with a professional look.
That is quite the DIY write up friend, that’s awesome. Thank you! I am actually planning a 3D printed solution for mine given my background in it. Your solution sounds extremely robust though. If I can’t get the strength of the print right I may go ahead and replicate it. Thanks again 🔥
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Several others have written about the shorter turn signal wires making installation difficult. Mine are like that too. The slip connectors reside inside of the clamshell halves of the Evotech assembly. There is just enough room for all three wires to exist in the space available. But, it led to a few panicky moments until it was proven to work.
Had to say.that you have a very cool dog - got mine a few years back from a shelter in SW Georgia and he looks just like yours! And thanks so much for showing the tail light differences side by side, made me realize that I want to keep the stock one.
Thanks! I have an 890 (non R) and the turn signal clip connectors are SIGNIFICANTLY shorter than the ones you had. Made it a little tricky, but ended up looking great
I’ve heard that from multiple people now, how interesting! I’m glad you got it connected still. Isn’t it such a great aesthetic improvement? Really if I was to only change two things about the bike it’d be the slip on and a tail tidy!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle must be on all the non R’s. And I agree, those are the two things I’ve done. I went with the IXIL exhaust, I couldn’t wait for the fabrication time from SC, or Austin Racing (which is MONTHS). But the IXIL sounds pretty dang good.
@@JellyBeak I’ll have to look it up and check out the sound again, I know which one you’re talking about! Do you plan on doing a mid pipe at all? I’ve actually got a mid-pipe comparison video in the works but as you said fab times have really become drawn out!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle the IXIL has two baffles, one easily removable, and another one tack welded (easy to remove if you brake the racks). I just removed the East DB killer and it’s pretty loud. I think a cat delete would be too brutal for me. Apparently it makes it MUCH louder.
Yeah, I’ve got two types coming that I’m going to test out with the stock slip on and the S1 baffle in and baffle out. I suspect you’re right, baffle out and mid pipe will be deafening!
I have the Evotech. All in all, I'm very pleased. I opted not to shorten the license plate bracket. I was going to draw one up and blow it out with my CNC plasma.....ended up selling the machine and press break and never got to making one...lol Only thing different I did was shorten the Evo brake light harness to the same length as the signals (cut, splice, solder and shrink tube). My next hit is going to be the Euro OEM LED turn signals for the 890 and 690. Plug-n-play on the 690. The 890 must have LED mode enabled in the ECM by a competent dealer and then good to go (in case you are considering the same). You have great taste! I watched your rad guard vid too. I am very happy with my Evotech rad guard. Fits perfectly! I dig these mod vids. Very well done as always. Ride safe, brother! You have some tasty roads out there in my home land 😀
I often dream of having my own means of production, it’s funny you bring that up because it is certainly a long term goal of mine. I have implemented 3D printing where I previously worked and am now leading a VR effort and part of me dreams combining them to rapid prototype my own mods. I really appreciate your continued support! Shortening would certainly clean the rear bay up a bit. I am in fact considering the same and I know the LED’s are a hot issue so I will document thoroughly!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle you are on a different level than I am with the 3d printing. My equipment used 2d (Draftsight). I tried Fusion 360 for some 3d sheet metal drawings and it hurt my brain. I have no doubt with your skillset, you will be making parts in the near future.
Alejandro. I'm sorry to say I've been remiss in not subscribing to your channel sooner. I'm WishIWasFaster on the KTM 790 Duke Forum. Thank you for the shoutout on one of your earlier videos. You will also see my posts on Facebook. As many of us are that ride. I'm technical. Software development background. Currently working as a Sr. SRE. Keep up the good work here. I enjoy your thoughtful heart felt commentary. :)
I’m so glad you’ve finally joined us, I have certainly already benefitted from your knowledge and know the rest of the channel will now as well! On that note please be completely free in your criticism, technical or otherwise, and I will look to improve continuously. I really appreciate your feedback, it’s been a second job for me turning out these videos but I am so happy to be doing it.
Has anyone installed one of these over in the UK, with an Akrapovic slip on exhaust? With the Akra being longer than the SC1 it looks as though it could cause some melting themed issues. There's a few out there that include heat shields. Quality videos btw, being relatively new to the biking world I used your oil change video to guide me through my first DIY oil change.
Thanks for the compliment and I am glad to hear they’re helping guide you. From what I’ve read on the forums your concern is definitely valid and melting has been seen with the Akra’s. Hopefully someone here should comment with firsthand experience! Let me know if there is any other videos you’d like to see and I’ll do my best to shoot them, cheers!
Bought a used one with a short plate holder, original exhaust, melted right indicator😮💨 had some hard work melting back the indicator to original shape and give it a decent look. Now it has some small metal rizomas and seem ok.
WIth the Evotech tail tidy, any issue with the exhaust on the stock right signal indicator? Understand you have the SC1 Project slip on which is farther from the signals than the stock one. I have an Arrow Pro Race which is comparable in length to SC1 Project.
Hey, thanks for the comment. I’m happy to report there is absolutely no adverse effect on my right rear light even after hours worth of riding at once. The S1 actually stays quite cool to the touch (even post 3 hour ride) and doesn’t direct a substantial amount of heat to the back of the light. I also really like the look of the arrow!
Thanks for the comment! Should definitely be an easy one for you if you reuse the turn signals. I will certainly update everyone with my solution when I go LED!
Unfortunately I bought mine used and the guy forgot to include it after he put the pegs on. I like the idea of a little protection from the pegs if I drop it until I get my protective cage on.
i have an issue with yoshimura tail tidy and exhaust.......it sits right smack up against the turn signal, looks like it will burn the crap out of it if i ride......good exhaust recommendations that wont interfere?.....am sure most tail tidys have this issue with stock exhaust.......really dont want to buy an exhaust but now i have too....a slip on anyway
Hey Kirk, thanks for the comment. I definitely recommend the SC Project S1 for its size and sound but I admit that’s all I have first hand experience with. From what I read and hear everything with the same profile as stock will run into melting issues. That’s fine by me though as I prefer a smaller profile. I’d definitely look into SC Project’s other offerings as well as Arrow or LeoVince for their lesser overall length.
Besides a little coolant leak that I sorted I’ve been ripping it around commuting and for fun without a problem! I just did an oil check though and noticed metal shavings on the catch magnets but that seems fairly common. How about you?
@@rolan2drConcern is understandable but the 890R certainly doesn’t have a reputation of premature failure. This is far from the first LC8 (Liquid Cooled 8 Valve) that KTM has done and though there are nuances to the bike there are really no major concerns with drivetrain or otherwise. I really do love the naked bike genre as well, it’s the perfect blend of practical and sporty. The 890R is crazy capable and I am only barely tapping into its potential, I still consider it a great choice 😁
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Mine a 2021 bought it brand new, The cables were just long enough to reach, but the connectors just fit between the two sandwich pieces. Just made it a bit tricky to install
@@siksniper1996 Yeah, everything is pretty tight. My turn signals probably got fed no more than three inches into the housing. Are you happy with it overall?
sry but this rear end is one of the ugliest after market parts you can buy for the 890 duke (imop). I ordered the BSO REAR with the breaklight integrated into the flashers. best
Very strong opinion haha, it’s not for everyone. I am not a fan of the exposed wires and tiny surface area of the BSO lights. Are they quite bright? Seems like a light delete if they’re not at least three times brighter than stock given their size.
Yeah, had I not found it on the forum already modified for such a good price it would’ve been a major sticking point for me. What other options have you been looking into?
@@-Cold-World I know, neither was I ☹️ I was even debating 3D printing my own lol. It’s surprising there’s not a more integrated look like some of the RC390 tidy’s.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Right, it's never been this complicated on any of the other bikes I've had. The NRC kit looks cheap and cluttered, MNNTHBX is expensive and uses the turn signals as break lights which I don't like. I was going to settle on the Evotech but realized it's not made for a US plate. I'm picking up my 890 R tomorrow and the stock fender has to go ASAP!
@@-Cold-World yeah it does, it’s so UGLY. The two best mods so far have been the tidy and the SC Project S1. It made the back go from dirt bike-esque to property sporty!
One of you just beat me to liking my own video, whoever you are… you are the MVP (first time that’s happened)! Let me know what you think of the look of the Evotech tail tidy and what other modifications you’re thinking about for your own bike.
Hahaha! I got the same thing on my bike and the matching swingarm spools.
Alejandro, what's your MPG?
That was a good video. When I installed my Evotech tail-tidy Because I’m not electronically inclined I had to scour the Internet to find any pictures or written directions explaining which color Evotech wires plugged into which stock break light colored wires. I finally found a picture which was less than ideal, but had the information needed. Do have a slight problem though. I put a set of LEDs (sicass brand) they work, meaning they blink but after two seconds an error code covers the display. This goes away as soon as the signaling is done. Although really don’t mind it because I never forget to turn my signals off😂 OK the real problem came when trying to install the same brand of LED signals upfront, they didn’t work they just stayed on. No flashing. Apparently the flasher is written in the ECU. The only way LEDs work on both front and back is if you buy KTM‘s then plug it into a shop computer telling it to recognize them. At least that’s what the dealership was telling me. What I was hoping is someone smarter than me could figure out how to take a brand I like and have them output the same as KTM brand. Then I suppose take it back to a dealer and have them recognized (pay the extortion cash to have them turned on) I know, a bit long-winded.
To switch from incandescent bulbs to LED's you need resistors in line with each signal to match the factory wattage. Since LED's use less power than incandescent bulbs, the bike thinks something is wrong, it can also mess with the blink rate of the turn signals.
I think what your dealership is talking about is ordering OEM KTM LED turn signals and switching the bike into LED mode. (This is how they come standard in Europe). But you can absolutely install LED's on the US spec bike and get it to work with just some resistors.
I completely understand your plight, I’ve been reading about LED mode and the extra resistance necessary to get aftermarket’s to function properly. I will certainly keep everyone in the loop with what direction I go. Also, @Dukie, reach out on IG (Alejandro_EngineeredLifestyle) I have an idea you could help me with!
Thanks for the clarification, I really appreciate when we can collectively answer a question on these videos as I am also in the learning process! Cheers!
@@v4Mark Yes you are most definitely right. I had asked if they, the dealer, could order me some and strangely they couldn’t. When first looking into this I did heard about resistors on some forms and the dealer had mentioned it as well, again they couldn’t help execute it. In my day you could go to a local Radio Shack and sort something like this out. Alas no more!
Yes. You need the resistors. You can do one 21 ohm resistor on each side R/L, or 10 ohm resistor on each LED. I went with the 10 ohm resistor to minimize heat. I have not heard of any issues with heat using the 21 ohm resistors, but they do have fins for cooling. So I went with the 10 ohm to be on the safer side of that issue. There is a lot of information on the KTM 790 Duke Forum, just do a search. :)
Alejandro, I just installed this on my 2022 Duke 890 with an American license plate. I used a drill and a centerpunch to drill two holes for the upper two license plate mounting bolts in the mount. This is accomplished by centering the plate in its mounting location and carefully marking where the holes should be for the two upper bolts. Centerpunch the marked spots so the drill doesn't walk off the correct position when you get started. I used a new tungsten step-bit, stopping when the holes were 1/4" in diameter. I mounted with stainless steel 1/4"-20 bolts with nylon lock nuts. If you drill correctly, the holes will be at the outer edge of the current bolt slot. Bolting up will be easy. You can get away from the zip ties and complete your installation with a professional look.
That is quite the DIY write up friend, that’s awesome. Thank you! I am actually planning a 3D printed solution for mine given my background in it. Your solution sounds extremely robust though. If I can’t get the strength of the print right I may go ahead and replicate it. Thanks again 🔥
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Several others have written about the shorter turn signal wires making installation difficult. Mine are like that too. The slip connectors reside inside of the clamshell halves of the Evotech assembly. There is just enough room for all three wires to exist in the space available. But, it led to a few panicky moments until it was proven to work.
Had to say.that you have a very cool dog - got mine a few years back from a shelter in SW Georgia and he looks just like yours!
And thanks so much for showing the tail light differences side by side, made me realize that I want to keep the stock one.
Thanks! I have an 890 (non R) and the turn signal clip connectors are SIGNIFICANTLY shorter than the ones you had. Made it a little tricky, but ended up looking great
I’ve heard that from multiple people now, how interesting! I’m glad you got it connected still. Isn’t it such a great aesthetic improvement? Really if I was to only change two things about the bike it’d be the slip on and a tail tidy!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle must be on all the non R’s. And I agree, those are the two things I’ve done. I went with the IXIL exhaust, I couldn’t wait for the fabrication time from SC, or Austin Racing (which is MONTHS). But the IXIL sounds pretty dang good.
@@JellyBeak I’ll have to look it up and check out the sound again, I know which one you’re talking about! Do you plan on doing a mid pipe at all? I’ve actually got a mid-pipe comparison video in the works but as you said fab times have really become drawn out!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle the IXIL has two baffles, one easily removable, and another one tack welded (easy to remove if you brake the racks). I just removed the East DB killer and it’s pretty loud. I think a cat delete would be too brutal for me. Apparently it makes it MUCH louder.
Yeah, I’ve got two types coming that I’m going to test out with the stock slip on and the S1 baffle in and baffle out. I suspect you’re right, baffle out and mid pipe will be deafening!
I have the Evotech. All in all, I'm very pleased. I opted not to shorten the license plate bracket. I was going to draw one up and blow it out with my CNC plasma.....ended up selling the machine and press break and never got to making one...lol
Only thing different I did was shorten the Evo brake light harness to the same length as the signals (cut, splice, solder and shrink tube). My next hit is going to be the Euro OEM LED turn signals for the 890 and 690. Plug-n-play on the 690. The 890 must have LED mode enabled in the ECM by a competent dealer and then good to go (in case you are considering the same).
You have great taste! I watched your rad guard vid too. I am very happy with my Evotech rad guard. Fits perfectly!
I dig these mod vids. Very well done as always. Ride safe, brother! You have some tasty roads out there in my home land 😀
I often dream of having my own means of production, it’s funny you bring that up because it is certainly a long term goal of mine. I have implemented 3D printing where I previously worked and am now leading a VR effort and part of me dreams combining them to rapid prototype my own mods. I really appreciate your continued support! Shortening would certainly clean the rear bay up a bit. I am in fact considering the same and I know the LED’s are a hot issue so I will document thoroughly!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle you are on a different level than I am with the 3d printing. My equipment used 2d (Draftsight). I tried Fusion 360 for some 3d sheet metal drawings and it hurt my brain. I have no doubt with your skillset, you will be making parts in the near future.
Just about to fit mine after watching this 🙏🏻🙏🏻🇦🇺
What do you think brother? I’m loving the look myself. How was the install?
Mine is on the way and I'll be using the vid to guide me through the install 👍👍👍
Awesome! Let me know if you have any questions or recommendations 👌🏽🔥
How’d the install go?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle hoping to get time to mess with it this weekend 🤞
@@chrisfurby8241 Awesome, well reach out if you have any questions and enjoy! Once you get it installed you’ll love the look 🔥
Alejandro. I'm sorry to say I've been remiss in not subscribing to your channel sooner. I'm WishIWasFaster on the KTM 790 Duke Forum. Thank you for the shoutout on one of your earlier videos. You will also see my posts on Facebook. As many of us are that ride. I'm technical. Software development background. Currently working as a Sr. SRE. Keep up the good work here. I enjoy your thoughtful heart felt commentary. :)
I’m so glad you’ve finally joined us, I have certainly already benefitted from your knowledge and know the rest of the channel will now as well! On that note please be completely free in your criticism, technical or otherwise, and I will look to improve continuously. I really appreciate your feedback, it’s been a second job for me turning out these videos but I am so happy to be doing it.
Install small LED turn signals, the OEM looks huge and are spoiling the looks.
I know right… thanks US Market BS! I am definitely looking at options
Has anyone installed one of these over in the UK, with an Akrapovic slip on exhaust? With the Akra being longer than the SC1 it looks as though it could cause some melting themed issues. There's a few out there that include heat shields. Quality videos btw, being relatively new to the biking world I used your oil change video to guide me through my first DIY oil change.
Thanks for the compliment and I am glad to hear they’re helping guide you. From what I’ve read on the forums your concern is definitely valid and melting has been seen with the Akra’s. Hopefully someone here should comment with firsthand experience! Let me know if there is any other videos you’d like to see and I’ll do my best to shoot them, cheers!
Check out Campbell zero one channel he fitted one with a akra 👍🏻
@@lomate1963 thanks man, I’ll check it out!
Bought a used one with a short plate holder, original exhaust, melted right indicator😮💨 had some hard work melting back the indicator to original shape and give it a decent look. Now it has some small metal rizomas and seem ok.
I've got one with the akra and no problems at all
WIth the Evotech tail tidy, any issue with the exhaust on the stock right signal indicator? Understand you have the SC1 Project slip on which is farther from the signals than the stock one. I have an Arrow Pro Race which is comparable in length to SC1 Project.
Hey, thanks for the comment. I’m happy to report there is absolutely no adverse effect on my right rear light even after hours worth of riding at once. The S1 actually stays quite cool to the touch (even post 3 hour ride) and doesn’t direct a substantial amount of heat to the back of the light. I also really like the look of the arrow!
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Thanks. Evotech tail tidy in the mail. Will see how it goes when installed.
Thanks for this video, i was wondering to do the same on my 790 with evotech
Thanks for the comment! Should definitely be an easy one for you if you reuse the turn signals. I will certainly update everyone with my solution when I go LED!
No exhaust hanger? 😮
Unfortunately I bought mine used and the guy forgot to include it after he put the pegs on. I like the idea of a little protection from the pegs if I drop it until I get my protective cage on.
i have an issue with yoshimura tail tidy and exhaust.......it sits right smack up against the turn signal, looks like it will burn the crap out of it if i ride......good exhaust recommendations that wont interfere?.....am sure most tail tidys have this issue with stock exhaust.......really dont want to buy an exhaust but now i have too....a slip on anyway
Hey Kirk, thanks for the comment. I definitely recommend the SC Project S1 for its size and sound but I admit that’s all I have first hand experience with. From what I read and hear everything with the same profile as stock will run into melting issues. That’s fine by me though as I prefer a smaller profile. I’d definitely look into SC Project’s other offerings as well as Arrow or LeoVince for their lesser overall length.
I had evotech tail tidy on my UK 390 duke. How reliable has your 890 R been?
Besides a little coolant leak that I sorted I’ve been ripping it around commuting and for fun without a problem! I just did an oil check though and noticed metal shavings on the catch magnets but that seems fairly common. How about you?
I’m considering getting one but a bit concern. I currently have a 390 Adventure. I miss having a naked bike, much more riding fun.
@@rolan2drConcern is understandable but the 890R certainly doesn’t have a reputation of premature failure. This is far from the first LC8 (Liquid Cooled 8 Valve) that KTM has done and though there are nuances to the bike there are really no major concerns with drivetrain or otherwise. I really do love the naked bike genre as well, it’s the perfect blend of practical and sporty. The 890R is crazy capable and I am only barely tapping into its potential, I still consider it a great choice 😁
Interesting, my turn signal harnesses appear to be much shorter
That is bizarre.. too short to be routed up into the rear housing?? What year is it/did you buy it new or used?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Mine a 2021 bought it brand new, The cables were just long enough to reach, but the connectors just fit between the two sandwich pieces. Just made it a bit tricky to install
@@siksniper1996 Yeah, everything is pretty tight. My turn signals probably got fed no more than three inches into the housing. Are you happy with it overall?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Yes very! it makes the tail end look so much cleaner.
@@siksniper1996 I agree completely, even with the stock turn signals I’ve got on it now I much prefer the look 👌🏽
sry but this rear end is one of the ugliest after market parts you can buy for the 890 duke (imop). I ordered the BSO REAR with the breaklight integrated into the flashers. best
Very strong opinion haha, it’s not for everyone. I am not a fan of the exposed wires and tiny surface area of the BSO lights. Are they quite bright? Seems like a light delete if they’re not at least three times brighter than stock given their size.
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Too bad it needs to be modified to work with a US plate. Nice kit for the EU guys.
Yeah, had I not found it on the forum already modified for such a good price it would’ve been a major sticking point for me. What other options have you been looking into?
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Gotcha, makes sense. I'm looking at the NRC or the MNNTHBX. I'm not really happy with any of the options.
@@-Cold-World I know, neither was I ☹️ I was even debating 3D printing my own lol. It’s surprising there’s not a more integrated look like some of the RC390 tidy’s.
@@AlejandrosEngineeredLifestyle Right, it's never been this complicated on any of the other bikes I've had. The NRC kit looks cheap and cluttered, MNNTHBX is expensive and uses the turn signals as break lights which I don't like. I was going to settle on the Evotech but realized it's not made for a US plate. I'm picking up my 890 R tomorrow and the stock fender has to go ASAP!
@@-Cold-World yeah it does, it’s so UGLY. The two best mods so far have been the tidy and the SC Project S1. It made the back go from dirt bike-esque to property sporty!