DBFZ- SSJ Vegeta Is The NEW Vegito? (BROKEN)
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- SSJ Vegeta Received Some Insane Buffs that Me and some other really strong players believe makes him SUPER Top Tier. So In this video we will look at why.
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To be fair, most of the topics talked about here was already stuff he had before the patch. He already had all of these good qualities. What he lacked was a good neutral game. Something Vegito, Gogeta, SS4 and Lab Coat still has over him, even after patch.
What brings him over the edge right now is his Consecutive Energy Blasts (236S) buff. He's essentially a zoner now and certainly one of the most effective alongside Frieza.
I don't think he's a top5-7 character contender, but I do think he finally deserves some respect on his name. He's been considered the worst character for far too long.
Community: "Vegeta's 236S should be cancellable into SD and 214X!"
Also community: "Noooo, why did you give us what we asked for? He's so broken now, trash devs"
The best depiction of dbfz's community ive ever heard
I think the only thing he lacks really is big esports buttons and a safe on block lariat...but even then those can be solved like you said by playing him point with the right assists
Even if his normals aren’t that great. 236 s is basically a giant esport button. You super dash chances are unless he’s asleep you’re gonna become a combo route. Dear god sir. We left double fusion meta and stepped right into Vegeta meta.
@@thedevilsleutice people about to get Top 8s with a Vegeta/Vegeta/Vegeta team, then people will say the fusion meta wasn't that bad lmao
What does lariat mean?
@@idontwant2beasoldiermama241 basically a fast move that propels the character forward horizontally, like @8:29 for example, hope it helps.
I hate that I dive kick by accident with this character way too often that I’d like to admit
You've definitely sold him to me! He defo looks pretty damn strong this patch around. Seriously worth keeping him as point now!
Hook is gonna be such a menace 😭
Nice video, well presented. I also appreciate your use of the word "perspicacious".
I get what your saying and I know that the fusions and 21 where running the game but I think the state of the game also needs to come in to context cause the things that the top tiers did were the best and came in many and the other characters had besides some had very little they could do to it but now almost everything has changed so there may be a dark horse character.
Ah Typical bandai. You take the problem and PUSH it onto someone else.
ArcSys not Bandai
Legit, i'm so done with this game
Bruh I’ll fit him over vegito any day , at least his normals are lowkey ass
@@wedoaliltrollin1580 bro hes even more cancer in neutral than vegito
@@justaguy6415 id agree if he’s on point but u think so in anchor position?
Vegito has j236S but at least he can't cancel it (besides lvl3 which now effectively costs him 6 bars cus he builds no meter). He has EX legs as movement but that's not as good as SSJ Vegeta Rocket Kick. Has doesn't have any frame 1 invincible options besides lvl3. The only thing Vegito is better at than SSJ Vegeta is having big buttons which ain't really even an issue this patch cus just full screen beam into a full combo. They really screwed the fusions and made other characters even more busted lol.
I definitely believed you when you said bluegeta is the second coming of gogeta blue because they fight very similar. But SSJ vegeta being the new vegito? No, vegito has very long reaching normals, SSJ does not and vegito still has the most broken assist in the game, SSJ does not. SSJ is still busted tho, just in his own way
The thing about this character tho that won’t make him as annoying is one word, EASE you actuslly have to have skill at the game to use his kit. His lariat isn’t safe, you have to be woke enough to DP super dash, you have to have rejumps and actual combo routes to do dmg, his buttons aren’t ENORMOUS and they aren’t ALL ANTI REFLECT so you can’t just spam buttons and not check for reflect. Like you have to be a legitimately good player to be good at him so on the higher level of play he’ll be absolutely busted, but if some scrub that got carried by Vegito just goes and picks him up and tries to do the same thing, he’s gonna have a MUCH tougher time. Which I’m super happy about. Ion think anyone was mad about how good Vegito was, it was just that I could literally let a 3 year old use him and he’d hit you and that hit would do 80% with a BNB. You have to actually play the game now. It’s lit.
Seeing a lot of people neglect to emphasize how amazing 236s is on point for additional meter gain with special tag DR/combo ender.
This video is so insightful. Love it
Thanks for the info bro, hes hella good i love it!!
true but as a vegeta main his combos are harder to pull off than 90% of other characters. Especially in matched which has laggggg.
that follow was probably me
Ssj vegeta is playable again we love to see it
playable? More like top tier again
Mix works with ssj goku A. Love to see it
That thumbnail is wild!
Bring back his og assist😈😈 NOW 🌩
You might be spittin just without the might
vegeta is a mix of vegito and season 2 gt goku now
Double it and give it to the next person
his assists aren‘t too overly obnoxious imo but this guy is viable for days now
Truly an inspiration lil bruh train me!!
Its kinda funny bc my team has frieza slow orb and broly barrier which beat all his ki blasts, so im hella lucky but yall have fun dealing with him lmao
He can still just jump in the air and beat the orb
Great vid. 👍🏾
I need to see this against Z Broly.
he loses. Broly's ki blasts are higher priority, probably one of the only ways to effectively break through (j)236S without going into RPS. Vegeta's best hopes are vanishing on reaction, or SD'ing Broly's ki blasts, effectively inviting himself into Broly's own RPS and praying he doesn't get 2H'd
Also do gotenks next, he’s cracked the fuck out
he was always a decent character but now he’s insane
He was pretty terrible last patch, I think he was literally bottom 5 for the last like 2-3 years
@@superfarful in my opinion, he was never terrible. people kept downplaying when in reality he had good neutral and decent mix in the corner already
@@kennypar he was pretty bad. his neutral was not strong, 236H was his only saviour, 5S/j.S didn't hold enough of a threat to challenge, and old 236S rolled out the read carpet for an SD / ki invul lariat to put you in a 2 touch scenario, his combo variation was horrifically limited and it affected his damage, his 236L mix had a very slim set of characters that could make it jail for him, and SD 50/50 was (and still is) corner only thanks to how stubby his normals are, which in itself is another barrier against his neutral and footsies when the main meta revolves around huge e-sports buttons.
236S being cancellable into basically everything honestly fixed a lot of these. his neutral is now super strong because its Cooler's anti-meta neutral on steroids, his damage is high both thanks to new 236S routes as well as being able to convert off of practically anything now, 236L changes mean a new strong mix that he can do midscreen with around half the cast, his only real drawback now is how stubby his normals are and the fact his only *really* strong assist is C assist (A is still good, but a worse Janemba A)
@@platinum2263 even if jS/5S didn’t hold much of a threat, he still had the ability to keep opponents fullscreen because if they challenge they risk getting 214L into a TOD. and of course he still had the amazing 236H. people also sleep on the dive kick as a movement tool since it covers a pretty niche angle. i personally don’t think his neutral was bad in 1.31 and also don’t really think the 236s changes made his neutral a lot better. (it did help)
236s wasn’t ever meant to be used in neutral and served as a niche for active tag (usually into dragon rush). the changes they made to it were pretty amazing but it served a purpose before 1.32
combo wise, he was definitely towards the bottom but an optimized vegeta could still two touch pretty off of most scenarios. his 5MMM routes midscreen were still there and his corner routes weren’t terrible (especially if you could do the 5H rejump). damage is definitely his most improved tool this patch tho
before the 1.32 patch, he had a corner mix with 236L that used float properties to give you a high or a low and worked with ~28f blockstun assists. he was also able to get a midscreen high low without niche assists by doing TK 236L and getting a high low with once again 28f of blockstun. there was also the classic j2H mixup but we know it requires blockstun assists. his mix ups are clearly a lot better midscreen but i don’t his mix in general was ever poor.
his A assist remains as one of the best assists in the game but C was the better overall assist (cooldown made it unviable at the time)
putting all this together, the only thing that stood out to me as bad was his damage and solo mix (still an issue) in my opinion
@@kennypar @kennypar how has 236S not changed his neutral, it literally means without a higher priority blast's that challenges the same angle (basically only Broly) you can't challenge him without going into RPS, and if you don't, you're taking massive chip, and if you challenge and get hit your either die or take 4-5k depending on the hit. That is absolutely *insane* for a neutral game, very few characters have that kind of fullscreen oppression 💀
His A assist is not one of the best in the game. it's still good, but serves a rather specific purpose. It's one of the best combo tools, I can agree on that, but that's not often super valuable, and in neutral and on block it holds inherent RPS. Janemba A is Vegeta A but tracking, and even it isn't one of the best in the game for the same reasons of basically having 0 value on block for most characters.
That thumbnail is funny af 💀
If his 214M/H couldn't be low profiled and B assist had more range, he's perfect
what assist do you pick
If characters like this exist get rid of the ki nerfs for the fusions and lab coat and give them actual changes and then make the rest of the cast better
Not just fusions and lab coat but for hit, zam and Janemba as well.
He needed it
What teams are good for him
BRO CANCEL ON WHIFF?? Thats broken fr
Am I the only one that really doesn't think any dp/reversal should be able to lead into a ToD? It seems so unbalanced.
I don't think it's too broken when punishing superdash, but DP'ing in the corner and getting a TOD is really broken.
214L isn't a DP. It's just an anti-air.
All the "DP"s you're talking about that lead into TOD are anti airs, not true DPs. Gogeta blue, Tohan, SSJgeta, and A.Gohan all have the light version of their DP which is a frame 1 anti air, not frame 1 invulnaerable.
They just brough back ssj vegeta season 1!!!😮😶
Base Vegeta now being the weakest Vegeta is fucking bullshit tbh
No because it’s his base form so it makes sense. It made 0 sense to have base vegeta be way better then freaking ss blue smh. Also base vegeta is still S tier so who cares
@@hatchell18 Fella BaseGeta is no S Tier
@@wildrussiansnake8978 yes he is just not top tier
@@wildrussiansnake8978 still has great mix, neutral and damage plus good assists
@@hatchell18 Yeah, still no S tier, Goku Blue does absolutely everything BaseGeta does better
As a SSJ player all i can say is that this video will age like milk.
Comparing this character with Vegito is one of the most delusional topics i've ever seen.
Dude he literally SHOWED you why he’s comparable to him. Are you blind or were you just not paying attention
@@hatchell18 Saying something and proving something are two completly different things.
Comparing EX Rocket Kick with Vegito EX legs just because "they're lariets but vegeta's is faster" is the type of content that low level player are drawn to believe in. Comparing Vegeta's ki blast to Vegito's 236S is one of the most nonsensical things that i've ever heard.
Comparing Vegito's 50/50 (that he can do solo and choose which side it'll end up) to Vegeta's 50/50 that needs specific assists and wasting half a bar to convert and without the option to choose a side... Those are just silly and shallow comparisons to create a hot topic to bait views from people that don't understand the game.
@@kelvinspencer9265 dude vegito only gets that mix off a level 3 and then also needs to waste a 4th bar vanishing to get the mix, plus he has no low 2l. Also vegitas same side/crossup mix is the exact same and doesn’t require assists or bar at all. His other mix doesn’t require any bar just an assist but it’s extremely good 50/50 mix. Combine this with his low 2l and his same side/crossup mix and he’s got way more and way better mix then vegito.
Also his lariat goes full screen just like vegitos and is faster plus has less recovery so it’s true that it’s better. Hi ki blasts aren’t the same but they’re definitely better due to being way faster, him being able to convert off them from full screen without needing to vanish and get hella damage of them, them covering way more angles then vegitos and the fact the van special cancel them into anything he wants including a super fast dp that he can tod you off of.
You sound like a low level player if you don’t understand how and why he’s better now or how and why these tools are better. They aren’t silly or shallow comparisons at all. You’re just ignorant and blindly ignoring why and how they’re better smh. Keep spouting nonsense though. You completely ignored everything he showed and said. The only thing better about vegito now is his 5m, 5L and assist that’s it.
@@hatchell18 Vegito EX legs needs vanish to combo? What game are you playing?
vegito has true 50/50 midscreen with assist and with sparking.
You simply just repeated what was said in the video without checking any data on the moves or understanding what makes Vegito strong.
The point isn't that "Vegeta isn't better now" what i'm saying is that Vegeta and Vegito aren't REMOTELY comparable.
There's no reasoning in discussing something with a nobody.
You don't understand this game, you don't understand Vegito, you don't understand Vegeta and you don't understand this game's meta, you're just blindly repeating something you saw in a youtube video without checking.
@@kelvinspencer9265 dude the same shit you’re saying is worse about vegeta you just mentioned about vegito smh. Vegito ONLY gets midscreen mix off a level 4, OR with an assist/spark. Vegeta gets way more mix solo without needing any of that shit. And he actually gets corner and midscreen mix with only needing an assist that’s it. And he gets 4 way mix not just left right due to him having a low 2l.
And I was talking about his ki blasts needing to waste meter to convert. Also vegito ex legs are slower and have more recovery. His ki blastss while hood only go one way, he can’t special cancel them, he can’t convert full screen without vanishing, he can’t spam them in multiple ways at different angles and dp into a tod from them etc. Vegito is worse now end of story.
And no I’m not just repeating shit and i do understand the game and both characters. You clearly don’t if you can’t understand the similarities and point of this video. Also If you watched this video and actually payed attention, while still saying vegito is better then you’re flat out in denial and full of it. I’m done replying to you. It’s pointless talking to a delusional person peace out
No one understands that 214L IS NOT A DP. It's an anti-air.
It is an air inv frame one dumbass, it is an anti air dp.
is he point
Broken doesnt even mean anything anymore
What's the counterplay to his consecutive ki blast sht?
Reflect and pray lmao
Super dash probably
@@davidelepera2465 yeah just to eat a dp lol
You can use a projectile with higher priority if you have the option to
ki blast of a higher priority (Broly, Trunks or Jiren for example) beam if you have one will win but you have to guess because it will be slower, or try and move closer to make SD less reactable.
Thank you for this