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I was the Director of Instruction at Mission Hills CC in Palm Springs and I’d been E Mailing back and forth with Martin for a while and he said he was coming to California so I invited him to come out,There was a few members who were outside the box thinkers and I’d told them about him and they watched his videos and were really into it,He came out and played golf with a couple of those members early and then put on a small clinic for 5 of us and In the evening my wife and took him out to dinner,I’m English and him being an Aussie we got on great he’s a great bloke and he absolutely flushes the ball,It was a very good day for all concerned and when it comes to the golf swing yes he’s definitely outside the box but I would say he has a beautiful mind….
Yes he does have beautiful mind !!
This is definitely one of the most interesting guests you've had on Be Better Golf.
Yes
Have been watching BBG for years. By FAR this guy is to over the top for me!!
No he’s from the inside, he never advocates for over the top
Martin is the King of understanding of Golf. Because in Golf there is NO understanding, his words are difficult to understand. BUT, if you simply do as he says, you will have the LIGHTBULB go on. There is no better instruction than Martin Ayers. I have been his student for more than a decade, and my game keeps getting better, instead of all my previous famous teachers in which I always regressed
If your still taking golf swing lessons from Martin Ayres a decade later I’d then ask have you ever heard the term “playing the fool”?
Great great content Brendon as always. It’s crazy how Martin analyzes the swing.. Super brilliant really makes it simple going to start focusing on a lot of these concepts. Truly Appreciate what you’re doing.
I have spent the past week working on Martin’s ideas and once you get it and the correct feels from steering wheel and how it controls your body and when you begin to let the club take over and how your body maneuvers into preparing for impact it’s very eye-opening.
I have never hit better in my life!
What’s your predominant thought or God forbid thoughts
@@cdunne1620 the takeaway from the ball. Staying in motion by waggling the club, then your feet shuffling and not staying static
@@Irisda1st Ok, thanks
@@cdunne1620 watch Martin’s playlist on his channel specifically the ones with a gentleman named “JH.”It’s long and drawn out but there are some key pieces that aren’t conveyed perfectly but are important.
I had to sit and concentrate through them but it’s all there.
@@Irisda1st ……You’ve got to be kidding. But, then again, it’s no secret that desperate naive amateur golfers are nothing but walking-talking morons.
Martin didn’t exactly say it when alluding to Snead , Jones etc… but if you try to swing a sledgehammer from static you either need a ton of reverse lag ( see 14:56 both hands on hammer ) or a bit of forward press then handle drag to start the process.
Modern golf equipment is so light compared to pre 60s gear that quite often we can’t feel the clubhead.
Really enjoying this series, Martin Ayers stuff has always been intriguing and like Pete Cowen… a bit mystifying .
You must interview Greg from Overhand Golf… his take on the swing and instruction is very left field, but actually is based on sound physics and like Martin uses the orbital forces of a weighted object to produce a repeatable result without any manipulation.
I always thought this watching a young Rory wield a heavy club in relation to his body…
This couldve been part 1. But that edit on the last vid was unexpectedly hilarious.😂
My own view from my own experience is that when you finally get it, it was like nothing you thought it would feel like, and it feels like nothing, but how is it possible for something to feel like nothing, you walk to the door and open it and you hardly did anything.
It feels so alien in that it feels so easy, and you want it to be hard, but it's just the opposite.
Beautiful Stuff!
Phenomenal job! This is great!
The metronome drill was one of the first drills I learned to brush the grass back and forth, I’ll be doing it again!!
That Faldo swing, wow. What a thing of beauty. And the sound...
Very Manuel De La Torre like in Martins teaching “Swing the club over your right shoulder on the back swing, then swing the club over your left shoulder on the forward swing, the body will do what it must to allow this to happen”
Thanks great tube!
Martin's passion is palpable and his knowledge profound!
Excellent as always.
Brilliant guy. Ties into visualization well.
Outstanding thx
This guy is one of the best ball strikers. Amazingly intelligent. I have followed him since his early days.
Always enjoy listening to Martin. Back in the day I think all us followers of his teachings went a bit ott with applying more complications to what is actually quite a simple concept once you ‘get it’. Maybe he was guilty of adding more to it than was necessary at the time also, as he was still somewhat figuring out how to explain it I think.
But all these years on and I still see his core idea pinging out at me in the writings and teaching of the greats. You start to see things through the vision of a swinging club and one motion, and can easily see what’s gold and what bullshit. Just reading John Jacobs book atm and you can honestly see the same ‘free swinging club vibe’ in the teachings. I think that’s somewhat been lost in modern times. Let’s hope it makes a come back.
for what’s it’s worth, the Dr Kwon’s rope drill, in my opinion, fits nicely into this concept also.
Wishing you well with it all and hi Mart if you happen to read this. 😊
I saw the other video with these two and it changed my life
Totally with this approach 100% .
Some people speak so clearly that the average person can't understand. That's Martin Ayres.
The problem really is that virtually everyone has "superficial understanding" of how the golf club works. They can't truly learn how it works because they think they already know.
Well said Sir.
This is why you see people jump immediately to compare it to something else. It helps them decide they already know this.
A good way to tell if you know is to do the drill. If you do it perfectly, then you’ll know you know.
@@MartinAyersGolf.. well a good teacher will find the words or the analogy or the metaphor, if you can’t find the words you are an island in the pacific with no direct flights 😢
@@cdunne1620 That’s why the conversation is the best medium . It will take some time but Brendon and I will find plenty of solid ground.
Tips won’t suffice, nor is it linear from baseline to understanding.
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In the past few months I’ve been on a quest to move better, I mean in general as I’m 51 and creaky lol 😂. I’ve followed u for years and been convinced the swing is one thing performed one time. I’ve felt it but never grasped it. In learning more about how we move I’ve stumbled upon pain free movement, almost. I started applying these principles to golf. I’d love to share with u what I believe allows one continuous motion and see if u agree but will b quite lengthy.
Thanks
@@MartinAyersGolf .. good stuff, looking forward to that 👏
Brilliant questions and answers 👍
Thanks Martin, I think that 'free swinging of the tool' as opposed to the obsession with positions and body focus is what the late Jim Flick also emphasized.
I got some laughs years ago comparing the golf swing to how we swing on a playground swing set. I laughed at myself as well. What starts our motion on a swing set from a still position? I think, as Martin suggests with the golf swing, that it starts with tension. Thanks for bringing Martin on to your show.
The golf swing is a double pendulum. Once you start it that way it creates automaticity. Great to see Martin and happy to see he's still on his walkabout.
..ah yes, that’s a good choice of words to capture the concept. The language is the main problem conveying all of this. There are very few people who have the teaching skills necessary. Verbal as well as analogy, metaphor etc. The language is the main obstacle in my opinion 😢
Brendon, I’m a long time follower of your content on BBG. I have always admired your ability to communicate the golf instruction you have received from a multitude of various golf instructors. Unfortunately, this is not the case with the golf swing philosophy of Mr. Ayers. Could you please do a video where YOU demonstrate how Mr. Ayers golf swing suggestions are different than what you have been previously doing? In your own language, not Mr. Ayers language. I think that would be a very helpful video for me. To suggest that Mr. Ayers is a genius makes me feel stupid since I still don’t understand his concept despite having watched 3 of your video featuring him.
I think Brendon is one of the best students I have encountered . He doesn’t understand it yet, but I believe he will.
Great video thanks
I used to swing nunchaks and even though there are apparent changes in direction, the motion is continuous. There are different types of ratios through which the direction appears to change (1:1, 1:2, 1:3, and 2:3), though the change of direction is the way to gain momentum / power while keeping the motion going.
Everyone needs to find their own trigger. As Martin said it's Over from the Start. Once you learn the symbiotic relation between you and the club you then need to find your way to get it into motion. For me it happens prior to the last measure. As the club make it way out to the ball I am responding in the opposite direction. That removes any slack in the system and away we go! You will find you way Brendon.. Good Show!
Thanks! And thx for spell my name right!
@@BEBETTERGOLFin Ireland it’s spelled Brendan, the ‘on’ is unusual
Martin’s old videos with Elkington, Maves, and the late Jackie Burke from Secret in the Dirt explain a lot of this..the “twirl” was the key back then as it is today..
.. don’t forget the claw at the top, the twirl for me experimenting is not as important as the claw with the right hand at the top of the swing. Any time I use the claw I get an explosive impact. Is it possible that the twirl just naturally occurs if you get the claw correct at the top?
Also when you say the twirl are you referring to Steve Elkington’s description of it in the video he did with that NFL player, Elk was teaching him the method
@@cdunne1620 ...do you know where I can find the video on the CLAW? Thanks
This insight from Martin has changed my golf swing and how I view everything that I’ve been doing my whole life and Golf it’s absolutely amazing
What’s your handicap?
@@swisstrader im a 2 handicap
@@dannyc8008 What have you been before the "insight"? It is interesting to see so many year-long fans of the guy in the comments here, I am struggling to see a congruent picture. Not sure whether the guys that found it helpful "just" had bad lessons before. And some of the game improvement seems a little overstated, I mean, don't get me wrong, when those ideas help somebody, then great, go on and use it, but to put handicap jumps in there (not that you did, don't get me wrong) like some commentators, it is weird as the handicap is at least as much effected by short game technique, where I don't see the tips from the last 3 videos be of any help.
Great video!😀😀
I am realy impressed of YOUR way to figure out the secrests of the golfsving + thank u ^professor^for this interesting video. U never give up
Martin for sure is on to something. He's basically trying to teach how to naturally swing a club which if u started golfing as an adult seems nearly impossible. Gonna check out more of his content.
This is great!
Thank you for asking the right questions in areas of ambiguity. Hopefully you can help decipher his riddles.
Where is this ‘Join’ button you speak of? I don’t see it anywhere.
Here's a question about the "baton drill". As it does when Mike Malaska performs a similar movement, as Martin Ayres is in what we'd call the "downswing phase" of the drill, as the club begins to pass his trail leg (right), the handle of the club appears to be tilting backwards as the head of the club moves forward. When I do the drill myself, it feels exactly as it looks. In my thinking, this look and feel are polar opposites to what goes on in my head when considering "shaft lean". It seems like the exact opposite to the DST clubs' intent.
In comparing the "baton drill" to the DST approach, are these two very different ways of describing the same thing, or are these two very different methods for hitting a golf ball?
Started following him and JH back in 2007-2008. Martin is a wonderful person in his communication and his CZcams channels. The guy used to come to Houston all the time and it was great to get exposure to him. His work with Cameron Beckman should be talked about a lot more but he’s not a game seeker from what I know of him. Brilliant mind
Hey Juan 👍🏻
I follow Martin for several years. One sentence that always made me uncertain has been....."the only thing that goes forward is the ball". Martin mentioned this in a vid a few years ago. Watching the vid-series with JH, especially the one where he explained the "motion end to end in opposing directions" and a few dry exercices enlightend me! Turning (screwing) the feet clockwise into the ground brings the pressure on to your left side (foot) "at the end of the backswing". Now continuing further to the right with the feet makes the left hip rotate backwards while keeping the right hip back. Rotation takes place automatically! The rest is Hand-Arm coordination.
Bring him to US please!! This is my third vdo watched on your channel and this guy is the most imparatively super hard to be understood indeed. Let's see him in action please!!
Thank you.
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This reminds me of the old Robin matthew Williams stuff. Good stuff
SUPERB!!
Excellent stuff! Almost the same as Manuel de la Torre concept. Use your hands to just swing over right shoulder then over the left. Stay centered and let the body follow the club movement.
Almost is doing a ton of work here. There’s a little bit more to it , and there’s a lot to gain from that little bit.
I watched Martin's videos on his channel 1-30. Very philosophical til you get to 12 - The End Game.
Game changer.
Thank you, Martin.
You’re welcome. More coming soon that will make it clear and concrete why the philosophy is what it is.
We want to see you both in practice!
Love the idea and thought pattern of the baton drill. Question; I’m a strong arm forward golfer, ie extremely left handed but play right handed. How would I implement this drill with lead arm? Or would one practice both arms individually, then together?
Thanks! Great video and instruction!
I'm a mirror of your swing! Right hand dominant but swing golf club left handed. Good question!
You could bypass the one arm, as it’s merely the simple version. It’s much easier to sequence one side than to coordinate both.
As a lead arm dominant golfer maybe try it with that arm and let me know what you think.
I have a lead arm only drill that’s a little more technical
I came across a random on this channel with Martin Ayers where he’s talking about a bicycle action it was like someone had hit light switch and I’ve played in the open . This guy is possibly golf’s holy grail!
Wow, u played in the open? What video was the bike thing in?
So what does the baton drill actually do for your swing?
The baton drill is very similar to Mike Malaska's concept of pivoting the club. He also talks about the swing being a continuous athletic motion and your body offsetting the forces of the club. It's a very useful feeling
Whats the difference in what he expouses and what ernest jones did,?
at 14: 24 should not the feet,preferably, the ball of the left foot be felt to engage first to provide resistance,and to facilitate a stretch?
I'm going with that Faldo swing. That's the best swing I've seen on this channel (wow ie)
The club swings YOU! Been saying this for years.... Only a few teachers get it, Marty is one of them and not to mention a stand up guy.
The teeter totter illustration is the one that gave me the aha moment and the concept when I tried it out swinging a club. Once the club head is at the top, the club head has the power not the player. If you visualize the backswing as starting from in front of the ball the club is twirling end over end held at your arms length at the bottom. So the club head end is leading all the way in the backswing then gains the power at the top to swing down and lead all the way on the downswing. If you twirl the club up to the top and just memorize that position at the top then you can just start at the position at the top and let the head twirl down and thru. The club head side of the club is doing everything from the top the player slight bump forward to his left side just changes the location of the swings bottom point. Also the change in spine angle can change the angle of attack of the swinging clubhead but the clubhead is powering the swing not the player. Its important to have the end over end twirling concept vs any moving of the club or swing the whole club back wide or in one piece. At no time is the club swinging back in one piece with your arms, its always twirling end over end at arms length away from you.
Read Ernest Jones golf book, ‘Swing the Clubhead’ originally published in 1952 and basically saying the same thing. Manual Del Torre ‘understanding the golf swing’ published similar dates, along the same principle! You’re welcome
I came here to say this but you already got that base covered. 🙂
hi brendon. It's my birthday on may 10th. I'm looking to get a golf lesson to try and cure some of my scooping/flipping impact. Any suggestions on who to see? I live in Whittier willing to travel.
I had it then lost it and then shanked a jumbo bucket of balls. After saying the hell with it the next day I starting saying hit and go and I started nailing the ball and I felt the end over end. It’s like I was pressing the club in the ground and doing a whole body press. I have no clue why that was working. Best range session I’ve ever had.
The Alan Watts of golf!
I have followed Martin for years. Difficult to understand but so simple once you get it. Basically, the club is in constant motion. If you combine Martin 's golf swing philosophy with David Weck's "Royal Coil" body propulsion method, you'll better understand "motion without movement" and bring that to the ball for every shot.
i can get that freewheeling action and it will work for a while like a day or a week but then it breaks down and i'm off to something else. thnx for the info.
To start the backswing I feel like I am pulling the grip off the shaft. After I start, I can't stop the swing.
He is obviously super genuine. Hard to follow his thinking though) But in a live lesson that would probably change quickly.
Came back to watch again. To me this is still the same as many instructors of the past and a few of the present have taught. Based on the same mechanics as a pendulum. Nothing bad about it. Whether or not it produces the best results as far as distance and shot shaping goes is much more than this. And for some just hitting the ball solid can be a problem using these type methods. I learned the pendulum free swing style method when I started and did well. I just wanted more than being able to hit the ball decently after a while. Tbh, I still feel it in my swing today, which may be the reason I tend to have some conflict with learning the swing most instruction use
I’m so intrigued that I’ve watched the video several times and while Martin’s philosophy can be hard to follow at times I’m drawn to the conclusion that it’s very much in line with many of the mainstream observations that BBG has brought to our attention over the years. When you break it down I really don’t think that what he is saying is all that different to what Lee is saying in the knuckle drill or Dr K is doing with the rope drills or the shurn drill or how Drew is in such incredible control by managing the forces that he produces by keeping his body one step ahead of the club. The baton drill is just a variation of all of the above so far from being ground breaking its very much mainstream. It’s marching on the spot. You have obviously spent several hours with him so I’m curious to know is there really anything fundamentally different to what all the other greats have been saying. Superb video - Tx.
11:00 is the most clear thing I’m picking up. Set the club in motion with force and direction, one direction, and your body will react in the downswing.
True. The player gives energy to the club. The club gets the energy and that club energy is so huge that it gives back influence to the players. When the players pushes the club, the club pushes the players back. The players cannot ignore the club forces and energy. The baton drill is a golf club version of Dr Kwon's rope drill. The gold clubs are designed to function automatically when they are given the correct force. The position based teach method is one way but never solves all the problems.
Only thing I got out of this is that we should all try the baton drill and I’m a bit unsure as to why
Although twirl the arms is one of my go to practice drills,MA end over end is to wristy/floppy for me,its what pros did 100 yrs ago! whith twisty hickory shafts.
When steel shafts were invented that could handle forces generated by athletic motion pro swings changed
Still a good drill for beginners
But just realised i credit my no 1 practice drill that got me down to 5 hcp at an old age is swinging a yard of thick rope,which is prob virtually the same thing so im probably talking c++p!
Martín is not the only one who have this philosophy…. Mike Malaska saying exactly the same how force’s works in the golf swing
3 videos and I still have a hard time grasping what Martin is trying to explain about the golf swing. It's supposed to simplify the swing but I find it a bit vague and pretentious at times....I guess it's ok if I don't get it at all...I'll just start my own channel that really reflects my game...BE BITTER GOLF
The only thing that can simplify the swing for anyone is to understand how it works and what to do to create it. The explanation is the most complicated thing about it. Necessarily so.
Don't get me wrong Martin, love the info and content you put out. Flexing my brain really hard to see the swing from your system's perspectuve. Just having a difficult time doing so. The way you describe the swing is a bit tangent to the traditional way of instruction, which isn't bad at all...just a bit harder to grasp...then again Golf is never easy anyway.
@@methroostersinc.1082 I want nothing more than to reach people like you that are reaching out to understand , believe me!
Just like Hogan said it cuts me up to watch people go about it in a way that can never bear fruit.
I’ve been there myself!
If you have to think that much abt it, find a different instructor
Correct or not.. it reminds me of when Malaska was basically catapulting your club into your backswing. All you had to do was regain control and drive it through the ball. I’ve seen a similar idea with the putter on 1 video where someone brought it back not in a line but back and forth and then gathered in to bring it forward. It’s odd looking but man I had some success doing it this way
This swing method is the same as Brian Sparks, “Easiest Swing”. Don’t worry about club positions & let the club do the work, less stress on the body.
I like the look of the baton drill but I can guarantee just like every other drill , I can do it perfectly until you put a ball in front of me
If you practice this with foam golf balls it will keep you from locking up and allow you to freely swing. I've been using foam balls to practice at home for last month and I'm hitting the best shots in the last 10-15 years.
Get on your lawn and get the feeling of throwing the club over your fence , take this further by observing ( not manipulating but observing ) where the club strikes the ground , take this further by observing what happens to that point when you open or close your stance slightly , then you can find the point where you feel the most powerful through that point , bingo .
Always start and carry the feeling of throwing the club , this will give you low point , tempo , path and face to path .
Just dont get caught up in mechanics , its a swing not a puzzle and if it doesnt fit in your swing then it doesnt belong there .
To me, this is very similar to David Lee's gravity golf.He calls it the heave or first release.And after that the club basically is in the state of freefall throughout the swing and the counter fall just clears the swing on the turn. Martin is right with him, just different vernacular and methodology .
Ok. Now I get it!
True
Super interesting. I think he comes across as someone who has "seen it", but is struggling with how to communicate it. It's especially difficult to describe a 'whole' idea to a community obsessed with breaking everything into partitioned minutiae.
This "baton twirl" is the same movement Malaska uses with his casual one-handed swing which reveals the pivot point he's always talking about (which is also similar to where Dan Alton does his "fold over" move).
Good point. I always find it interesting, that so many coaches, some with some more exotic approaches, still often use the same golfers to "show" that they are doing, what the specific coach has "found". I guess, this is proof, that you see what you want to see and that cognitive dissonance really is a thing. And that isn't meant to be as critical - at the end of the day, obviously you look at the best players in the world to see how they are so good.
Seem like the same principles Dan Martin teaches. Direct the momentum and body follows
Hey boss! I joined and paid how do I get to the content?
I wonder does Martin still consider the ’claw’ position of the right hand at the top of the swing important. In my experiments I find it leads to an explosive impact on the ball with less effort. It’s a work in progress 🤔
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Marcus Edblad.
I finally think I understand his philosophy. Let the swing happen and the body react to the golf club (head) swinging. Sounds easy, but hard to do.
Stay tuned, there is an order that you have no choice but to adhere to.
The most basic aspect of that is that sometimes you must lead, and sometimes you must follow.
I feel the same thing with the Orange Whip.
The orange whip is a fantastic training aid. The added weight at the butt end helps people feel the balanced motion of the club end over end.
Would love to see Martin and Malaska together when Martin comes to the USA. They speak the same eternal golf force language. Throw in a sprinkle of Dr Scott Lynn and maybe Mr Elk for fun …
Interesting guy
The key to understanding Martin, is to not try and do anything to intentionally swing the golf club, or strike the ball.
The backswing, must consist of a 3/4 hip and shoulder turn, with no attempt to lift either the arms or club off the ground, as the club will automatically follow the swing path , without any manipulation from the hands and arms.
Whats the swing thought at transition ?
Well , there isnt one !!!!
The only thing we must master, is to switch the analytical brain off and stop, with no intention , to hunt the ball.
The club takes over just like Martin says and is like a runaway train, just like Hogan said and cannot be successfully controlled by manipulation 😊
But just realised i credit my no 1 practice drill that got me down to 5 hcp at an old age is swinging a yard of thick rope,which is prob virtually the same thing so im probably talking c++p!
I really want to understand him ,
Great! One question. At the top of the swing (second crossroad) Martin has said that the body moves 'away from the club', but also says that the club should 'lead the swing at this point'. If the body is moving away, surely it is in effect 'leading' the motion at this point. This is something I am really struggling to understand. My interpretation of what Martin is saying translates to 'pressuring' the side of the shaft facing the target in the takeaway and then feeling the pressure on the back of the shaft after passing the 'second crossroad' (after transition). Any thoughts!
The club begins leading you in sequence, but as you can easily observe in any decent golfer, the club transitions by moving away from the ball not toward it. So it leads you away from the ball as you rotate away from it. I'm sorry to anyone that is confused by that message, but simply put it is precisely what is happening and you can see that happening. You don't need any high tech device to tell you.
Lee Comeaux was one who said Martin Ayers nailed it. Lee absolutely smashes the ball. I got on the Marty bandwagon 14years ago. He always said to play the target the course not the swing. Marty incorporated many ideas from Abe Mithell..Jackie Burke Jr. It has evolve to a tonne more drills..he has put alot of thought into the swing crossbow concept days. Which is an evolution not a revolution to his philosophy. I still use his stork drill which i think is the same as left axis to target drill on the range and various others to tune up before a game. Pure genius.
The beautiful thing is learning to be Totally Free swinging...thats the Goal. I REITERATE FREE SWINGING. you'll get it once you own it.
Funny you mention Lee, I don’t know which one of these guys is harder to understand 😂
@maeu59 I know what you are saying about Lee. I know he can send it..but I can't quite decipher what he says which has he added sound effects too. 🤔 I wish a could smash it like he does..
@@TheJeffatan This may sound like it has a submessage or something but it actually is a genuine question: how has your golf game developed after following Martin? Have you tried other instruction as well?
@mattdaniels6430 I'll try and keep this short as possible. Marty can seem way too cerebral initially. But let him explain and it becomes clear his ideas on containment etc.. which even he sfmits he didnt invent. ABE Mtchell was the brain child for instance
Back to the journey. I started playing golf with conventional instruction..you know the Leadbetters..Harman ...Haney. something still seemed missing. I couldn't play acceptable golf unless I practiced alot. It was intuitive. Tried Moe Norman single plane , Shaun Clement. Then I came across Marty when he was working with Steve Elkington and Mike Maves. What I loved about Marty's philosophy is. It's about managing forces and playing the target not the swing. So now I don't need to practice as hard..because it's not able angle and positions. It's about free swing the tool. The only other guy I listen to is Marcus Bell from Zen Golf.. or GRF golf.
Playing golf is like throwing darts...hitting a baseball. ..I love the teacherman on CZcams..re baseball. We just make it overly complicated for ourselves.
This is a same concept with dr kwon and the rope.
This is actually how every sport works.. this is how i coach as well, i figured it out from studying touring pros tho haha
Big difference in the intent here from Dr Kwon’s rope drill.
He wants you to throw the clubhead both ways on plane.
I don’t want you to care about any plane. I want you to focus on the balance of the club as the two ends twirl around that balance. The club now in motion in balance is enhanced by the body motion.
This second part is directly in keeping with Dr Kwon rope swing concepts. I only became aware of his drill from the comments here.
I believe my “baton” concept is superior to throwing the rope as some players load slower (Cam Young, Gary Woodland, Collin Morikawa) etc.
@MartinAyersGolf what I was saying is that both concepts work similar in a way they sort themselves out.. don't really need to focus on too much positions.
@@ToraxReborn You used the word same, I just pointed out some differences. I think you’ll agree that these distinctions are important. I’m just looking for clarity and many are comparing these two things.
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I think he's saying let the momentum of the club lead the body into a synchronous movement and the clubhead will find it's way back to the ball in the correct position for the intended target. But as soon as you put both hands onto the grip it changes the motion. You can see when he does this with the mallet. Am awaiting more illumination from him.
Same here... Sounds to me that the key concept here is a good rhythm and a good rhythm will obviously be of very much help to many amateurs. Same as getting rid of bad instructions or wrong concepts that where in the minds of those players. I really wonder though, if some of that is mere the product of either bad instruction or somebody who simply "didn't get it" when having those lessons.
I am always a bit suspicious when you have a golfer who has been a very good player before later in life "discovers" simple truths. I mean, I guess some if not most of those guys, really have incredible foundations, year long practice and depending on how good they were, their fundamentals are fantastic. Obviously the "simple thing" they discovered is simple for them and gives great results because they aren't even aware anymore of what they are "doing correctly" along the way with them even being conscious about. And I guess, that is why those "simple truths" sometimes really hit home for some people but do absolutely nothing to others.
There is another guy on youtube, tropicana golf, really like the guy, so laid back and relaxed, he must be an awesome playing partner. He promotes "doing less"... "just turn and turn back". Sounds awesome but I guess it is what we all are trying to do. Then you find out, he was a baseball player (not sure but either professional or at a pretty good level below professional) and finally it makes sense - if you have amazing hand eye coordination, a very good idea of small movements of your hands and knowledge to lever your body to create swing speed with your body, then you are probably able to "do less" in golf...
Long story short, I think, this channel makes a great job introducing ideas Golfers had over time to other golfers. Because every golfer is individual, has different background in terms of athletic experience, different body type, flexibility and strength, it really can be benefitial to hear and think about different approaches. Maybe it resonates with you and you are better off and sometimes it just feels off and then you decline it.
@@mattdaniels6430 The problem is that there is so much instruction available now and too many people giving advice that shouldn't. Occasionally you get someone like this guy who at least isn't parroting the usual 'rotation, rotation, rotation' stuff which is way too popular and often misguided. I'll watch a few more of his videos to see if they lead anywhere. I believe he is somewhat in cahoots with Steve Elkington who was a very good golfer but off with the pixies in terms of teaching.
Does faldo swing the driver the same way?
Brendon, I sense you are having almost as much difficulty understanding Martin's descriptions as most of us. It would be so helpful if an excellent communicator who understood and believed what Martin is trying to convey would break this down for us! Milo? Malaska? Dana Dahlquist?
The baton drill is Dr Kwan's rope swing