【Memories from the Far Future】 Fulgrim Falls
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The point of no return. Fulgrim falls. In his final moment of sanity after he strikes down his brother, Ferrus Manus, he realizes what he has done before finally damning himself to oblivion. A very powerful moment.
This book, and this art from Disharmonia inspired me when I wrote the tune for Fulgrim, so it was an obvious choice for a memories episode.
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The quote is taken from the audiobook: Fulgrim - The Horus Heresy, Book 5.
Written by Graham McNeill
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Price of perfection is one of my favorite pieces ever thank you so much for composing it. I can’t even begin to tell you what it makes me feel I don’t think there are words for it. It’s exceptional thank you
Thank You so much!
I both pity Fulgrim and despise him.
I only despised him too, before reading the book.
Why do you despise Fulgrim?
Pity Fulgrim, Despise the Daemon that possessed him.
@@Bellephus HE KILLED FERRUS MANUS!
Fulgrim was wasted truly. He should have stayed in the painting until modern 40k. Coming out to see the demon that has taken his identity and his legion fallen. Returning to guiliman begging for a chance at redemption and making it his goal to purge his sons. Eventually gaining trust as he becomes a zealot in purging all of his former legion and the demon that destroyed him. All in the name of the brother he killed
There is a possibility of redamation in 40k. His uncorrupted clone. There are some theories that Fulgrim's soul took the clone as a vassal.
Loyalist Fulgrim returning and see current Guiliman...god dammit, that's a brilliant idea man, there is more drama and tension then Lion returning in the current timeline.
For me, his fall was very ...forced... I would not dare to say is a bad writing, maybe rushed? idk, it wasn't plausible for me.
I honestly imagined this. Say ,with more competent writing, with the generation of the great rift the painting simply breaks down due to warp surges and releases Fulgrim from the painting while a daemon doppelganger like you mentioned takes his name and form and utterly perverts his legion beyond redemption, we would see a Fulgrim utterly shamed and broken to the point of not seeking redemption, but vengeance. One who accepted his fate that he is irredeemable and instead shunning everything that made him, shaving his head and wearing the blackest of black armors with no markings in shame of what he did from killing his closest brother Ferrus and betraying his Father due to his weak will. A Manus that is so single minded and fatalistic at destroying his legion that would make the dark angels in their pursuit to hunt every member of the unfallen look petty compared to him. Imagine how a mistrustful Guilliman and an indifferent, even uncaring Fulgrim would interact with each other. Fulgrim knows that he can never gain back the trust or even acceptance of anyone he betrayed so he doesn't even bother, especially the Iron Hands, which he would be more than happy to submit himself to them and asking them to either end him or having him seek and destroy every one of his own children as pennance.
Clone Fulgrim was already stated to be just as bad as the original. Fabius Bile recognized the same selfishness and vanity in him, he was alive for no more than a month and he had already betrayed his creator's wishes. I say good riddance, better for him to collect dust in the necron museum.
@@adelkheir I would pay to read your version of the story, really
Retcons have happened before. They could say that the "real fulgrim" was just another daemon or fragments of Fulgrim's mind. Split into pieces by the Daemons who torment him with his insecurities, fears, desires, etc. His return, his true return, could be him fighting his way out of the torturous realm he was trapped in. Similar to the knight that made his way through Slannesh's realm.
How is this so criminally underrated?
Deep down Fulgrim was a kid desperate for attention and status, and she who thirsts exploited that
Perfection. Something Fulgrim never understood.
Fulgrim is the epitome of perfection.
@@Bellephus Was. He was.
@@Bellephus In his own twisted mind he believes he has achieved perfection but the reality is that he never did
Fulgrim came closer to perfection than any other primarch. You seem to forget everything the man did before his fall. He was the literal Renaissance man of the primarchs. An artist, a diplomat, a warrior a general, he conqured world's without having to use force or the threat of force. He turned his home planet from a factory world into a place of art and culture. He played a big role in teaching curze not to be such a demented waste of space and inspired not only his legion but the emperor so much that he gave the right to use his PERSONAL symbol to the third legion and only the third legion. So yeah fulgrim definitely understood perfection and the path to it.
@@cripsmafia Yes, he understood perfection, to a degree. His issue was understanding the pursuit of perfection is not an end unto itself.
Timson is awesome. If you're looking for ideas, my favourite moment in Angel Exterminatus is his narration of Peturabo and Fulgrim's dialogue towards the end:
"I worship _nothing._ I believe in _nothing."_
Yes yes and yes.
"The point of no return. Fulgrim falls." Which time?
"In his final moment of sanity after he strikes down his brother-" Which brother?
"-Ferrus Manus." Ah, then.
This novel is in my Top 3.
Fulgrims legion are like cod players. They're loud, they think they're perfect, and they always teabag you.
They once were, perfect
I like to think that Fulgrim escaped the corners of his mind, discovered the clone body when in the warp, and inhabited it as soon as he could, hence why the clone was perfect, and why the clones of the other Primarchs failed, they were either still alive, or hadn’t been cloned yet, obviously Horus had no soul to return to a body, Angron has no reason to want to leave, nor has he been cloned as far as I’m aware, same with most the daemon Primarchs except Magnus, and his soul is shattered
Sanguinius is said to still reside in the warp, so a clone of him made from his stolen DNA could reintroduce him into the series
As for Manus, the status of his soul is likely the same as Sanguinius, only either he wasn’t able to return when his clones were being made, or that WAS Ferrus who Fulgrim kept repeatedly killing and reviving to try to turn to chaos, and Ferrus being Ferrus, he never did turn, and therefore the “clones” were considered “failures”
I think in the end times we’ll get roughly an even number of Primarchs on both sides, but we won’t see the end times for another few decades yet minimum
Yet, you fail to thank the one true bringer of such possibilities.
It doesn't matter, he cares not for accolades.
The influence of the Warp, plain and simple. Its a subtle thing, too subtle. Something even Primarchs fall to... and why those who witness it need to be "processed". The tragic truth of the 41st millenium.
Fulgrim in this scene is more engaging and notable than he is now.
The writers had set up a potentially great redemption arc for fulgrim in 40k but black Library said ‘fuck that gay shite’ with one short story.
Rylanor: hey fulgrim
(Fulgrim looks)
(Shows virus bomb)
Rylanor: bitch
You should have destroyed that Temple and you would’ve never claimed that possessed sword. One tragedy after another. You killed your brother and later Rylanor would take a piece of your pride.
Holy shit just like ANGRON who I thought was angry boy and CURZE who was edgy boy, I thought Fulgrim was just like the pretty boy whose self entitled to the enth degree and that he didn’t give a shit about killing Ferrus
This is...Gorgeous! Amazing Work OfficioAudiorum
Thank You!
Poor fulgrim poor poor fulgrim
Fulgrim simultaneously makes you feel bad about him and utterly disgusted by him
Damn, i had never heard or read that before.
Thank you.
Fulgrim, your character was truly wasted in the lore. He fell to Choas far too easily and suddenly.
If I could travel back in time, I would copy this in my literature class (They made us write stories in 4th grade)
My teacher would've shit himself and died on the spot.
Community college too
as clone fulgrim is taken in chains by the ultramarines,to guilaman, guilaman sees the clone. a man of androgenous beauty, but one of unbelievable sorrow,what guilaman would normaly recognize as glee,snark or even narcisim,was a broken and somber man,with literally no will to live.
"my lord,what shall we do with him?"
guilaman thought but then spoke
"leave us."
the ultramarines nod leaving guilaman and clonegrim there. clonegrim is on his knees,no weapons or even really good armor. clonegrim was at guilamans mercy. before guilaman got up,the clone spoke
"if you mean to kill me,i welcome it over what i now live with...what i still live with regarding ferrus. i cant even fight back anyway..."
the clone was on the verge of tears. guilaman knew fulgrim was a traitor. but for his clone? no. this clone was the true fulgrim,not the creature in his likeness. guilaman offered fulgrim a hand
"you have no idea what it means for you to come back,Brother. rylanor would be overjoyed to see you were he here."
fulgrim was surprised. but he was still slumped on the ground,he wouldn't accept it. he couldn't accept someone could truely be that level of merciful
"i know thats a lie roboute. and you know it. save the gloating and end it already with fathers blade."
guilaman grabbed the emperors blade,and set it down
"if you truely dont believe me,then ask the emperor yourself."
the sword of the emperor glowed bright in fulgrims presence,and then....a legion of the dammed appeared to him. one in mastercrafted armor,with hands of silverish iron. with a helmet. fulgrim looked horrified
"ferrus...? how..."
"fathers power. he now writhes in pain as guilaman is the only one here. if you can not live with yourself,then at least allow vengeance for the creature in your likeness. the ancient awaits... brother."
the lord of the iron hands embraced the somber pheonix,feeling warmth and mercy wash over the primarch clone. ferrus disipeared....and clonegrim rose
"thank you....ferrus..."
at last the pheonixs emotions welled out. tears overflowed as his sorrow was as clear as a cloudless sky.....
to be continued
fuuuug such a good naration
What I want for Clonegrim's (GW please do this) eventual return to the main setting is that he saves Guilliman from his Daemon self, telling DaemonGrim "I reject you now and always!" quoting Rylanor as DaemonGrim flinches for a second. A second is all Clonegrim needs as he banishes DaemonGrim, watching as DaemonGrim walllows in pain and frustration as he fades away back into the clutches of the Warp. Guilliman is in utter disbelief of what transpired in mere moments, Fulgrim does not know what to say, should he say "I am sorry..." or "It has been too long brother..." ? Tears begin to form in Fulgrim's face as he sees Roboute Guilliman's face that showed his old but present hatred from his treachery thousands of years ago, a face that does not acknowledge a brother but a foe. Fulgrim decides to walk away, hiding again but Guilliman also in tears hugs Fulgrim. Saying "Oh my dear brother, how could you have left us?", leaving Fulgrim bursting in tears as he hugs Guilliman tightly, then BAM! Some Ultramarines spot Guilliman in tears and the plot goes on.
I know a bit too cheesy but cmon man, Guilliman needs a damn hug
I don’t think that would have the same emotional impact if it was the real fulgrim battling against the Demon that ruined him, because the clone objectively didn’t do anything wrong and is a completely separate person from the real fulgrim.
@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 true, but Fulgrim quoting Rylanor against DaemonGrim would be dope ey?
...and then Fulgrim after spending time inside of his own body as a prisoner decided to go Chaos anyway. WTF
That could be just the daemon bs everyone. After all, they tried to torture him to get him to confess (the last thing you do to an slaaneshi) and then he claim that he just magically got himself out of the painting and into his own body while kicking the daemon out and torturing it.
Fulgrim, who had no idea that the Warp even existed.
Yeah no, that bs makes no sense. Fulgrim is still in the painting, DP Fulgrim just thinks he is the og one.
@@Artemisarrowzz the real fulgrim is in clonegrim
@@j.r.c.58 I know. But the how is never explained and for all we know, the soul inside clonegrim was in the painting until recently
@@Artemisarrowzz true, GW still needs to fully explain/make clear clonegrim's storyline quite a bit more(as well as continue it after Clonegrim became Trazyn's pokemon, but thats a whole other thing)
@@j.r.c.58 Yeah. They are going to need a pretty good writter if they ever wish to, but Clonegrim could end up being a truly badass character, a literal phoenix rising back from the ashes now stronger and more mature from what he was before.
He could finally understad he was alwas chasing came from inner strength. And honestly? He would end up being pretty close to the Roboutian AU heresy Fulgrim, which I liked, with elements from other stories like the Eric de Melniboné stereotype (y'know, the albino dude who goes around hunting bad guys, like Dante, Geralt, Celegorm, etc?)
But to be ABSOLUTELY HONEST I don't think GW can pull something like this right now because their writters honestly suck at "keeping it together" most of the time.
Uff this is so good
Didn’t they sorta retcon this , like The Demon of blade was cast out and Fulgrim is actually Fulgrim …. and fully in thrall of Slaneesh . They really don’t like any type of redemption stories with Primarchs.
They can "retcon" all they want... I don't consider any of their newer stuff as canon anyways. The story was written. The old books are there for us to enjoy:)
@@OfficioAudiorum I love that attitude
The thing to remember about EVERYTHING 40k is that whilst everything is canon, not everything is true
So ultimately either take on what happened could be what happened, it’s up to the reader to determine what they think happened based on the biased information we’re given from whichever narrator we follow
The Ciaphus Cain series makes a joke of this, but in reality how Cain’s perspective is written, and how Amberly (iirc I think that’s her name) calls out his exaggeration, is how ALL of 40k is supposed to be read
@@3adgamd3r Yeah, many of the authors (including both Abnett&ADB) have said that 40k doesn't really have a canon. And it would be foolish to try and enforce one. Some stories are just more important than other, yet all are just stories.
@@Gigasius that such a silly thing to say both from you and those two two authors obviously 40k has canon otherwise the metaplot and all the stories connected to it would lack any cohesion or sense.
Edit
This is true for any fictional setting not just 40k.
Amazing 🤩
I agree, it's truly amazing how he killed him.
The video was amazing to.
Im new to the 40k lore.
Is Fulgrim *space Griffith?*
What's a Griffith
@@OfficioAudiorum apparently a man that did nothing wrong 😏
@MR G short story, no.
He is a tragic anti-hero as well and that's all. They had different characters, motivations, context and a different story how they fall.
@@bucur3608 so...no pact with eldritch abominations and no big boy nemesis to defeat?
@@SIGNOR-G as far as I know Griffith wasn't corrupted by a chaotic artefact. And he was a selfish man from the beginning.
Fulgrim was a good man, his thoughts were corrupted and pushed to that path, he was manipulated trough the path and fooled in one moment. Griffith was just fooled in one moment after he did it by himself.
eldritch abominations...yes, kind of
big boy nemesis...no, (no longer at least) everybody hates him
but this is 40k, everybody hates everybody and try to kill each other.
The Reflection Cracked novel absolutely ruined his character
brilliantly done. although it probably would have worked just as well with the narration removed like the other scenes.
Jaghatai Khan vs Mortarion on Prospero next?
Thank You but I must ask what do You mean? I wrote the music separately, it's available on the channel.
I mean the dialogue without the author narration. Same you did with the Mournival and Pestilent Champion ones.
@@Jokerfaic Ah! I understand now! Thanks:)
perhaps clonegrim can redeem him?
There was a little spark of hope that was flashed in the Fabius Bile books. But I will not spoil it...not in a comment anyway:)
@@OfficioAudiorum BEGUN THE CLONEGRIM WARS HAVE!
@@JeanLucCaptain What You did there, I see
Yay🐻
Heh the Horus heresy would not have been the same without lootlust.
Oh you silly, pretty fool.
Amazing, I could've cut fulgrim a better deal
No Dislikes! As it should be!
40K Fulgrim is FF9 Kujja.
Not trying to be a butt, but I feel
OfficioAuditorum fits you WAY better
Cause auditorium is a thing lol
Yeah I haven't picked that specifically cause that's more of a lecture hall. In any case I know the name's a bit weird, supposed to be high gothic, and kinda ryhmed with assasinorum lol, so I went with it. There may come a time of rebranding, but that's a huge work.
@@OfficioAudiorum You know what that's BIG fair!
Is this ripped from the audiobook? Or is it your voice?
Have you read the description?
Don't really like that backtracking vilain thing. If you write a vilain, write a vilain filled with rage and anger, not by guilt and sorrow, really don't make those characters justice.
Star wars did it well with Darth Vader, you know what brought him down his path, he is spiteful and ugly, in the end only his son got him remorceful.
Especially in the universe of warhammer, to make immortal demi godd cry like little girls is weird to me
I don't like that you find any wrong in this.
@@PlayNiceFolks His reasoning is ignorant, Fulgrim joined the traitors because of his own pride egged on by his demon sword. So when he killed Ferrus a person who was both his best friend and brother he realized the grave mistake he had made and went into despair. Falling to chaos to escape the agony of sorrow he dug for himself. To say characters can’t have complex emotions and cry because “Demi god don’t cry” is silly and really one demential. God we already have Angron as the pissed one.