Northern Ireland's Troubles - Walls of Shame
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- The modern history of Northern Ireland has been dominated by one thing, 'The Troubles' - a violent, bitter conflict, both political and religious, between those claiming to represent the predominantly Catholic nationalists and those claiming to represent the mainly Protestant unionists.
But what Northern Ireland has now is not so much 'peace' as 'an absence of conflict' after the Good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998. Far from disappearing, the walls have grown. Instead of reconciliation, there is partition - an ill-tempered stalemate of separate identities and separated lives.
Broadly speaking, the nationalists - also called 'Republicans' - want Northern Ireland to be unified with the Republic of Ireland while the unionists want it to remain part of the United Kingdom, along with England, Wales and Scotland.
This episode of the Walls of Shame series looks at life on both sides of the barriers between the warring communities.
Update: Al Jazeera returned to Belfast, almost a decade after this film first aired in 2007, to touch base with Catholic muralist Danny Devenny. As the walls of separation - or 'protection' as some view the barriers - start to come down, much of Danny and his muralist friends' work is also being destroyed, with calls to 'reimagine' their art.
The government has vowed to destroy the walls but the community is reluctant, scared and not appreciative of attempts to gloss over a difficult past.
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Hats off to those two muralists who being from the opposite sides left behind their differences and draw murals for the next generation in a creative manner.
its the same guys,... they work together sometimes
I on’t wear a hat.
More books, more thought, less online , no murals.
The biggest mistake is thinking this is only a 30 year conflict. This is a 400 year conflict.
1914-18 and 1939-45 were a lot shorter conflicts but far more lethal. I think it depends a lot on the resources and weapons used by warring sides.
@@rabsmiffmy old man who's Ulster Protestant born 1936 told me this 1969 onwards conflict was simmering & brewing in the 40's and 50's.
@user-zb6tb6ur4p Eh, closer to 400, due to the plantation of Ulaidh.
Hate how this conflict is summarized up by religion. its simply the Irish having what is rightfully theirs. Protestants and Catholics where on both sides its just easier for the British government to blame religion than to take responsibly for their evil colanisation.
I agree, just BBC propaganda at it again to pull the blanket over the British people's faces. Some people are so gullible to watch BBC.
PREACH.
i disagree god has a say in every thing that is my faith maybe the brits where meant to come here maybe we were the only ones in the world to expose there evil to the rest of the world and of course defeated them but i dont speak for god and you dont either god has a plan and i know god is smiling on my people
No surrender to the IRA
i disagree but only time will tell, dia duit.
It’s not Protestant Vs Catholic, it’s British Vs Irish, they just happen to have different religions and different cultures. It’s nonsense to call it “The troubles” it was a war between the planted British population and the native Irish who were beaten into submission and treated as second class citizens in the north of Ireland after the imposed partition of Ireland in 1921.
pure ignorance & small mindedness of that protestant woman like. as though nationalists had been the oppressors throughout the centuries when we just wanted civil rights and now the freedom to express our identity and culture (how unionists can) without people like her's unnecessary paranoia
eim . I agree with you 100%. she completely biased to the subject
Bitter old hag and everything that's wrong with this country. The sooner her generation and the older generations die out the better for our own sake
Ohhh she sounds a real beauty, "they take the British money" lol I'll bet she never paid a penny of rent in her life ffs, or tax, her or her fat mate.
Your true core identity is your self, the self, not a mural.
Spilled blood creates bias
And you dared to call me a terrorist while you looked down your gun
When I think of all the deeds that you had done
You had plundered many nations, divided many lands
You had terrorized their peoples, you ruled with an iron hand
And you brought this reign of terror to my land
For the British terrorists..a terrorist is anyone who does not want to bow his head before their genocide, and recognize the genocide of his people for their (British)cultural reach...The same British stole the land of KOSOVO from the Serbs and gave it to the Albanian extremists, even though the Serbs were allies and died for a free Europe in the battles against the Turks, in the first and second world wars in greater numbers than the British, French and Americans TOGETHER! Kosovo is Serbia Belfast is Ireland.WE WILL RISE AGAIN! ✊
The only way forward is to move on, or be stuck in bitterness.
@@a81758said the unperturbed resting tea and crumpet filled boi
Great Song, Thank You for posting the lyrics!
tf she moved there for the troubles
Mark and Danny...God bless them both. They have the vision this place needs. Big love guys.
Eventually the old generations will pass and with each new generation the conflict becomes farther removed. Plus religion is passing away in the modern world, even in Catholic Ireland. Who would have thought that possible?
@matthewgabbard6415 You can still have beliefs and live peacefully.
If the British protestants love being British so much would they consider going back to Britain?
@@HerewardWake Doesn't have much to do with religion. The protestants though are the people born on the island of Ireland but they have British heritage so they are genetically different to the Catholics who are the native people of the island. Britain is an island next to Ireland with genetically different people so I just find it confusing why they say they're from a foreign country when they're actually in Ireland (a completely different country to Britain)
Karl91 They’re already in Britain.
Karl91 So people with Irish DNA should be kicked out of the USA?
No they're not. Northern Ireland is in Ireland. Britain is an island next to Ireland with different people. Calling themselves British in Ireland they may as well call themselves French, German, Russian etc. Britain is a foreign country
Karl91 *Great Britain is an island next door to Ireland (aka Little Britain). We’re all British.
As a ex serving soldier who is from wales and served in the province I say give Northern Ireland back to the people of Ireland and stop all the troubles x
As a Brit. I'm for a fully Irish state.
As a Chinese living in New Zealand, I agree. There will be no more "TROUBLE" if north and south united. And the map just will look a lot nicer!
@@stevenxia2944 There would be no more trouble? You are joking, if we united it would be far worse than it ever was in Ireland. People like you who are not from here and have no idea about it should just stay quiet.
@@Marc-kr8pc Oliver Cromwell shall F&%% himself in the graveyard.
@@Marc-kr8pc
I'm Irish and I want nothing more than a United Ireland. Blood is inevitable so let it be for the right reasons.
The loyalist of Ulster are crown kissers and love England more than their own country
The Catholic family at 15:11 seem quite nice and down to earth. The Protestant residents on the other side of the wall seem very narrow minded and bigoted. A lot of Ulster Scots I’ve met in England seem very hard-nosed a lot like White Afrikaners, maybe it’s a siege mentality or an ingrained chip on their shoulders?
Obviously I can't speak for all of them but I've found that true also for the people I've met from both sides . The mid set of the protestants there is backwards and nasty.
@@devanman7920 it's true what you say .the republican side are also very one sided in their view for a united ireland...and can't see the other side's grievances or point of view at all either. The loyalists are demonised but the republicans while being more amicable , are just as strigent in their single mindedness.
I'd say a chip on the shoulder. I'm Southern RC and in Australia 34 year's, and the handful that I've met here don't hold back from telling you who they think they are......and who they think you are. Sadly Spite could be their favourite flavour.
Interesting.
Possibly the most infected european conflict ever.
And yes, it is Europe.
Went to Northern Ireland two years ago, and everything is very hardcore.
I hope young people will see things with new bright eyes.
Still I recognise that history and tradition hang heavily..
Love and hope.
No one denies its Europe . I assume you mean brexit but you clearly seem to think that leaving an economic union is the same as leaving a continent shows your intelligence
There’s catholic’s and Protestants on one side of the wall,
There’s only Protestants on the other..
what’s that tell you about each others side??
Agenda 30 will sort it - North & South will be crushed by Marxism and the New World Order ...
@@davideddy2672 😳
Huh?
Religion is a smoke screen within this conflict. The catholic/Protestant are an easy segregation for the republican/unionists lines.
The basis of this conflict is the fallout of colonialism and the desire of self-determination. The religious narrative is a useful way to prevent people from realising people wanted to rid themselves of being governed by country that gave them no other choice. Moreover, it’s easier to demonise those fighting against this oppression.
When Russia invaded Crimea- the world reviled.
The British invaded Ireland. There were some of the inhabitants that felt strongly against it.
Would any Loyalist admit that the Ulster plantation was wrong?
Nathan Jessup - if a Loyalist was to admit it was wrong and a failure would he cease to be a Loyalist then? Or how could he justify his Loyalty?
It wasn't wrong because of one historical fact...the Kingdom of Dal Riata. Genetically the planters were identical to those in Ulster. The difference was political not cultural or genetic. Many of the Galloglass planters had the same last names as the Galloglasses already in Ulster. Compare the genetics of those in the north to those in say Co Cork and you will find their is NO similarity between the two groups of people.
In modern times, no one would care, it would just be immigration. which everyone loves to the fullest extent. hense why we have so much immigration everywhere
+amyhuk Loyalists are generally the descendants of Lowland Scots and English. You have nothing to do with Dal Riata. Highlanders do. Stop twisting history to defend the indefensible. You steal everything. The red hand of Ulster is ours, Setanta/ Cu Chulainn is ours and Ulster is ours, always has been and always will be, no matter how many imaginary lines you try and draw on a map.
amyhuk
shes calling the tricolour a forner flag and its the flag of our island chuckie ar la
Northern Ireland is Irish
you spelled British wrong. GSTQ NS
True that but in the future it could depending how bigoted the Protestant Ulster Scots still are.
Robert Kelly haha the republicans are just as hateful stop pretending
fergy mack I know but the Ulster Scots are more vicious they are bitter over the United Irishmen failing and Easter Rising mainly Irish Catholic rebellion and Independence succeeding.
@amyhuk ewwww
For a few years now I've doing research on The Troubles. Me, a black Dutchman of African American and Caribbean descent, I've always been interested in European history, sub-cultures and social debates. Like hooliganism, neo-nazism, biker gangs, crusaders, but mostly The Troubles.
I still cant fathom why the Northern-Irish people turned on eachother over a queen they'll never meet, a god they cant see or an old man in Rome who poses as a deity. You have the same skincolor, speak the same language and been kin for ages, stretching back to the Tuatha Dé Danann.
And now that the war is over, there is still so much hatred, just look at the comments. 3600 souls have died in the war, and for what? I know I'm an outsider, and I'll pbb never understand, but to me it seems as waste of Irish lives and a step back for such a beautiful country , with such an amazing history.
Yes, I know, racial slurs will follow...
Nope, you're absolutely right. There's lots here that at best is petty, ridiculous and just plain stupid, or at worst pure evil and barbaric. There's a load of causes for the problems and why they continue - having the same skin colour, language and heritage doesn't stop people causing problems for each other (Yakuza in Japan, Triad in China, Italian Mafia, number gangs in South Africa, MS-13 in South America/ California, Crips and Bloods in the States). Some of the problems here come from this "safety segregation", where no one gets to know the others as people but are always the dangerous "others", another is that many people in the North are actually descendants of Scottish and English who came over during the Ulster plantation and Catholics were either slaughtered or were basically enslaved during this time, so Catholics living there today are understandably uneasy. On top of that, many feel it is hugely disrespectful and disgusting that the legacy of the men and women who fought for Irish independence in 1916 and 1922 is only a partial victory (hence the Republic and the North) and because members of the domineering group decided they want to stay they get to, regardless of what those that fought for freedom wanted. Nowadays, it's very much an "us vs them", "Catholic vs Protestant" fight and every time someone gets injured or dies because of the others, their family and loved ones are going to stir up more hate. It's like a spiral of violence, which is incredibly stupid because one of the most important and basic aspects of Christianity is don't kill and do unto others as you would do unto yourself. There's plenty of other reasons too but it would take too long to write them out. Also, you seem to know your stuff and actually researched it, so your colour and background are irrelevant. Personally I think it's stupid to limit oneself to the problems within their own community, especially when we have the internet that can give you info about things half-way around the planet in seconds.
or maybe you could go back to your country thats like me going to England and going here i dont want to be a part of England so change it you took or land there a difference if your people lived here before us i would agree with you but they didnt you took or land placed a flag on it and said its yours may god have mercy on your souls
Gary Owens we’ve been here for Hundreds of years, this is our country. My family only know Northern Ireland as our home. Would you say that to immigrants? “Go home”, would you say that to the catholic Irish in Glasgow? “just go home”... or just us? Just Protestants who have been here hundreds of years and compromised by staying in a designated part of the island that would be recognised as ours. The Irish have a country they could move to, they choose to stay, which is fine but then respect us and the land you are on, instead of bombing our homes and killing our children. And by your logic they better ship all the Irish from Australia, Canada, USA, New Zealand and South Africa too then.
no you twist my words im saying if you go to a country dont take it from the rightful people the natives our blood has been on this island since before romen times before protestant was even a thing we were here first thats a fact we build this land we surived on this land you can share with us but never take our land its ours its that simple come with peace but dont come with tanks and guns and place a flag on the land thats not yours do your history mate
Gary Owens you know that ethnically they’re essentially the same right? 400 years of intermarriages, you genealogy test the Northern Irish people the results will be the exact same for both catholic and Protestants. And the Irish went to Australia, Canada and The US and we’re VERY happy to take native land so don’t come at me with this hypocrisy. Societies aren’t the same as they were 1000s of years ago, get over it. Better move all the normans off Britain because before 1066 it wasn’t theirs, ridiculous “logic”
Irish Protestants are crazy. Why wouldn't Irish people raise the Irish flag ?! Strange !
Indian Skeptic because the ROI flag is foreign
Indian Skeptic because the ROI flag is foreign
Indian Skeptic Ireland is foreign country different why they flying a different country flag in that country! the Catholics wanted them be just Ireland but protestants sayed they want stay then catholics started war 'battle of boyne' and protestant won and they keep going why is there going be united Ireland its going make more trouble
@Pro Mc or both (laughs in two passports)
They dont belive they are Irish, the retards think they are British
well 2023 been and gone stil all the walls are up
Ireland is not United Kingdom
You're correct, Northern Ireland however is.
Bimo Adhi ROI isn't, NI is
northern Ireland is !!!
Ireland is Ireland
@@sxrahgxlloway689 no,it's UK. Please educate yourself
IRELAND FOR THE IRISH! SELF DETERMINATION AND SELF DEFENCE!
It's funny how they claim the Battle of Boyne was a victory over the Catholic Church considering that the Papel Guard fought with William of Orange.
Jonathan MacGiollaC the other side was mainly catholic. That's why it's celebrated as them beating the Catholics.
I understand that. It is an overly simplistic interpretation of events. It was a battle for rather, rather than being a religious struggle.
@@augustopinochet7587 yea but not Irish Catholics... we seen that it as two English kings(one Protestant and one Catholic) fighting for England... we didn't care.
Didn't the pope of the time even fund William of orange army.
These lovely people are all the same, I wish they could see that. The violence and pride aren't worth it. Look forward and press on together! Leave the troubles in the past. Love conquers all.
This won’t be solved with a hug and a kiss. Free Ireland, end of story, let Britain go back to their little island and sulk about not having an empire anymore.
@@HerewardWake what are you on about
@@HerewardWake 😂 since 1921, what was the civil rights march about before the troubles, anything to do with catholic irish and voting, tell me when was the last unity poll. Actully dont bother replying.
@@HerewardWake did i say the marches was about independance, civil rights = the right to vote, among other things. So dont talk to me about unionists and polls since 1921. When we have the next poll now that brexit has happened and the english are sick of moaning unionists that cost 10 billion a year, the same unionists who backed brexit which is a disaster for the north. 100 years of a partitioned statelet and it has failed totally long before the troubles and after the gfa. United ireland makes every sense. The pul community just wont let go of britains apron strings
@@HerewardWake ok you keep lying to yourself, since the 1920s 😂
Any chance we can see hatred towards each other gets us nowhere? Who really wants a loved one to die? Who wants to have to go about our city in fear because you're born into a certain religion or tradition? Come on people. We overcome evil with good. Let's be good to each other and extinguish the darkness that robs us all of peace and safety and good will. Our war is not against flesh and blood. We all win when we love each other. Our children win. Our families win. Screw the things that divide us. Bitterness is too heavy to carry. Let us forgive each other and free ourselves from the burden of hatred.
Until they stop persecuting Catholics,then it would end.Till then,don't even think about peace
peace an unity for the Irish people, long live united Ireland.
TheDicamillo thanks for ur miss understanding, the whole Island is Irish, no one is talking about British.
Hassan Caruud 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
says the Brit who's royal family and parliament protected a paedophile ring jay.
parodygaming21 either the whole Irish island will unite with the kingdom or give back the nothern-ireland, there is no spliting of the Island.
Mr Scott B please speak like an adult.
and as for Palestine its a matter of time as it is in this case of northern Ireland.
As an American seeing how our civil war is seen by some people in parts of northern Ireland as the war of northern aggression is highly disturbing
That's because there was quite a few Confederate general's Of Ulster Scots heritage, so they see those people as distant relatives that were representing Ulster in a way.
does ireland need democracy?
@@Dom-fx4kt Ulster Scots Scotch Irish need learn lay down accept democratic vote.
@Dom indeed. Battle flag is St Andrews cross
It was very much a war of northern aggression and that is a fact.
The Northern Irish Prods/Loyalists were planted in the 1600's from Scotland, so they are are not really Irish and not even liked by the English.
Ireland re-united , Our Day will come :-)
A Od the first Scottish kingdom came from Ireland. Many Scots are ethnically related to the Irish (and Welsh). So what's your point?
Augusto Pinochet
True most DNA tests can’t differentiate the Scots and Irish and only poorly differentiate English and Celtics. Y’all need to put aside your differences and stop fighting.
Ulster-scot or scots-irish
so all of the people living in the USA (which was where much of the funds for your terrorist buddies came from) should leave as well I assume, as they are a planted population dating back to the 1600s.
It won’t
Meanwhile both Irish and British capitalists enjoy a divided working class. While workers fight over religion, the capitalists get richer at their expense. This is why Britain and Ireland need a workers party to combat the forces of exploitation and sectarianism.
Typical socialists trying to get involved when nobody wants them. We are not Cuba or Venezuela. We are Ireland and we are not slaves to the British, the EU or to any government.
Irish people is honesty and best of people ilove very much
irish people are THE BEST
This program taught me advanced course of HATE, my narrow definition of it has ended today. Wishing you Peace from Somalia
As a person who has lived in Ireland all my life. I'm ashamed to live in these islands. The British and the Irish Governments are equally to blame for the troubles by not stopping this.
SO STOP THIS RUBBISH AND SHAKE HANDS AND STOP PARADING ABOUT A BATTLE THAT HAPPENED 400 years ago. IRELAND Will always be divided until we Shake hands and Move on together for the future.
Pauls Channel you took the words right out of my mouth.
Technically the british government is more to blame. Ok the Irish one did nothing. On the other hand, the british government were financing the protestants terrorist and did many bombings
Tell that to the Unionist scum.
@@JohnDouille Its okay to hate a countries government. But why do you all hate the English people? Not every English man and woman is a member of the government.
@@dominickroberts4653 who said that I hate english men?
Northern Ireland belongs to Ireland
TheRealLieutenant does ireland not belong to its people? so therefore Northern Ireland belongs to its people also thats why we have the freedom to choose either British nationality or irish quite simple really
TheRealLieutenant it really doesn't
Right. And some day soon the Catholics will outnumber the loyalists in the North and take a vote to rejoin Ireland, finally overriding the blatant gerrymandering lines the British government erected in order to maintain the North - and the violence there- for decades.
+Kenny Luke. You're right. Its belongs to its people. The native Irish people. Not loyalist British colonists.
And Oliver Cromwell can f&^* k himself in the graveyard.
It's such a shame this is still happening today... I pray this kind of thing will stop..... especially a lovely young woman, Lyra mckee has just lost her life recently because of this on going conflict. people are still losing their lives .... when will this stop
It will stop when the border is removed and Ireland becomes a nation again rather than a province.....or maybe not unfortunately
It's a shame when the living are caught up in the politics of those long dead.
That’s how Europe is man I’m from Bosnia it’s sad when you see people who have more in common then not who hate each other with a passion
Listening to the 2 artists from both communities come together for the greater cause was such a breath of fresh air & then that woman who can only be described as a thing comes on screen with her sentiments buried firmly in the past advocating for the wall to stay really brought a cloud of depression over everything!
There’s good & bad on both sides but that thing is so one sided with more faces than Big Ben.
I'd like to think her mentality is becoming less common. I hope so.
No wonder why Ireland supports Palestine so much , they literally go through the same thing from the resistance to the labeling of terrorist instead of freedom fighters
I love the murals here they've inspired my whole life.
Sad !- inspiration?! Read more, see or produce some real Art.
Sad! Read more , go and see real true Art & produce your own.
The planet belongs to all of us.
my father had been living in the same disctrict on the same street within the same courtyard within the same building for 47 years so far... I also do some graffiti, because I have spilt much blood in order to protect my neighbourhood. The point is blood in and blood out. It was never meant to be differently...
14:43 it's a mural as well, it might be.
Those two woman are the attitude that keeps this going
Celebrating your liberty? like in France with Bastille day. the thing is they do it in their own country.
They are.
To see Ian Paisley Junior say it’s just pure hatred against his community. It was about civil rights the Irish nationalist, and if you want to say, Catholics could not vote did not have jobs or opportunity for housing. It was about civil rights and the union not wanting to give the Catholic nationalist civil rights.
a foreign flag? lol makes no sense the union jack is foreign. if anything the woman is also foreign because she isnt from ireland lmao.
Shouldn't the Irish identity be more important than Protestant identity ?
Indian Skeptic we’re British not Irish.
No their ancestors were british
@@infinityspace6890 Their ancestors were Irish. Ulster colonized Scotland in the 4th century, and it became a Gaelic region. By 1000 AD it was an independent kingdom. It remained an kingdom until union with England around 1700. At some point fundamentalist religion took hold in the Scottish lowlands, many on the Lowlands had originally come from the more Gaelic Highlands. The Lowland Scots planted Ulster long before the union. And their ancestry is Irish. Why do you think so many of them have red hair?
Paul Duffy
Scotland, Wales, and all of Ireland was well of most of England have a very high percentage of red hair. It’s in the Celtic and Northern Germanic genes.
Infinity Space
During the Empire the Scots Presbyterians in Ireland couldn’t hold high political office and they died on mass in famine. British isn’t and was never a real ethnicity, it’s a trick by the English to divide their neighbors so they can rule.
The loyalist woman is so entrenched in the past and totally resistant to peaceful progress , she’s a dinosaur.
Ulster Scots Unionists Loyalists a good chuck live in the 17th century still.
As a History student I am curious to know that When Unionists are NOT even Irish then why do they insist on Northern Ireland be part of the UK.
Unionists are mostly Protestant and most Protestants in Northern Ireland are mostly descended from Lowland Scots and Northern English.
Also they probably discriminate pretty heavily against Catholics across the society and joining Ireland may cause legislation to stop that.
unionists are Irish moron but they have historical ties to other parts of the united kingdom which they find important to their identity and culture, you cant have ties to an island dating back 400 years and not be irish, maybe learn something else as history isnt for you
thank god for those two artists, thank you
_Those two loyalist women are the ultimate parody of working class loyalist communities._
They look and act exactly like a parody of white southerners in America.
And they aysmake sure to pick the right ones to make unionist look bad do you think all unionist are like that or is that what you want people to believe? The power of the media.
@@amysands8925 All unionists are like that.
And it was not a victory over Irish Catholics it was a victory over the Stewart dynasty there was French soldiers Spanish solders and even Scottish Jacobites and English Jacobites fighting for James Stewart
Paisly jr saying the battle of the boyne and marching is the same as american independance 😂. When the americans ran his people from america to be their own country, whats the diffrence in the irish war of independance and american independance, both fought the british. That small minded women talking about the IRISH flag being flown in northern IRELAND being foreign while she has SCOTTISH flags up, complaining the republican have a way of getting their own way for the last TEN years, while the british force their law for the last EIGHT HUNDRED years
And George Washington was in the British army that carried out mutiny....was once called a terrorist himself...now a patriot and founding father of the country
Great work by Danny Divenny and Mark Ervine...shame about that woman tho!
Qui a la flemme de voir la vidéo en entier ?
Tg
The parliament building is beautiful .
I agree
Built by Unionists.
Stop the marches of hate celebrating a 300 year old battle.
Ulster Scots to arrogant admit they being sectarian.
the North needs to reunite with the republic
Travis Walsh no, it really doesn't. Proud to be British
Mike Hunt. respect lad
No problem, as long as they all unite under the UK
Look at the size of America and the success that followed their unification, Ireland and Britain are so small yet we can't all get along, many people from both sides have heritage from the other, surely Ireland should be one and join the UK so that Britain can repay for the problems caused by spreading the influence and money evenly like is done in the states.
Regarding Brexit if my hypothetical situation was to happen, Ireland could stay or we could do a revote as a whole
Thanks so much for posting.
The woman talking about the last 10 years obviously doesn't know about internment and gerrymandering...
This video isn't accurate in the sense the reporter repeats protestants and catholics-it is two traditions but more importantly two identities. One can be a protestant and republican or nationalist and Catholic wanting to keep the union. Its unionism and republicanism not Catholic or protestant.
well said
Yep people try to make it out as a religious conflict when it’s not that. So many people overseas hear “Protestant” and “Catholic” then try to blame religion for what goes on in the North
Pretty sure Scotland's a foreign country lv
Eugene Rogers That has to be the dumbest thing i have ever, Scotland is part of the uk...
The north of ireland is a part of Ireland, so iits hardly foriegn
The Island of Ireland has two nations on it. The island of Great Britain has three nations on it.
It is now thanks to Brexit. RULE BRITANIA BRITANIA RULES THE WAVES Britons never never never shall be slaves.
amyhuk cringe
for gods sake just get along
The violence won't stop until there is a United Ireland.
The british governmnet will never let the union fail while people still want the union. If the people of NI wanted to join the republic, they would vote for it.
and what do you think would happen if they did vote for it, Joshua?
A peaceful transition or another war?
Now with Brexit and the future of the economy of NI things may change.
Ireland remaining in the EU and NI voters having expressed their desire to stay in the EU may force a change nothing else could.
yea cause the unionists would just accept the reunification, wouldn't they?
It's not that easy. My family is Irish American (Roman Catholic) whose family left Ireland because of British destruction of the potato crop, and even I grew up being told a biased version of this story.
There is no Northern Ireland its only the North of IRELAND ! TAL 32
JAMES RYAN GRANT Dumb comment. And the only time the Celts of our isles have been united was under the United Kingdom.
Nunquam Non Paratus Nothing wrong with saying that.
Nunquam Non Paratus Haha, no mate.
How can you live on Irish soil and call yourself British
How can you live on Irish soil, but take British money?
@@IKB28513 If you have earned it, why not? Or do you recommend barter?
Does a Serb who lives in Bosnia refer to themself as Bosnian?
Does a Russian who lives in eastern Ukraine refer to themself as Ukrainian?
Ethnic identity doesn't just suddenly change right on the borders, there's usually a bit of overspill.
There's Protestants in border counties - Donegal, Monaghan & Cavan who still identify as British.
@@IKB28513Are you referring to people who don't work?
Can we just take this moment to listen to how she says tri colour
Haha
bottom line, you lost, now there are gaelic street signs in belfast, and staunch loyalists are getting Irish passports, haha
micky mac hardly lost were still part of the uk and free state is part of europe we have the pound free state has the euro , when did you win 😂😂😂 oh you mean because you got irish street signs hahahahaha , can you read them
hi Kenny, yes i can read them , you too could read them.. have you ever said .....craic, whiskey, ballymena, shankill, hooligan, antrim, slogan, armagh, banshee, and lots of other everyday words..then you too have spoke Gaelic, .... easy isnit.
you can even choose to to fill in your Irish passport application in Gaelic, if you wish, but dont worry too much, english is also an option
+Kenny Luke why do you look like a thumb
never speak so soon we haven't won yet we dont have the north
Beano
I think the Scots-Irish have become quite inbred over the years.
If I was a Protestant/Unionist I would welcome a United Ireland, because in a UI they would represent over 20% of the voting population, whereas in Britain they represent a tiny minority of the overall demographic.
Protestant Unionists hold great power when they are needed to prop up a Tory government.
Teresa May handed over £1.3 billion when she needed Ulster Unionist help in forming a majority.
Ulster Unionists are seen as a tool for the Conservative party for when a few more seats are needed to get them over the threshold.
Scotland has nothing to do with NI . Scotland is a celtic nation NI isn't
Northern Ireland is Celtic wtf.
NI is Celtic nation whole island of Ireland is Celtic😂
@@claretblue2509 Even Ulster Scots Presbyterians Unionists and Loyalists think they are Anglo Saxon 😂
@@RobertK1993 🤦♂️😂😂
@@RobertK1993 They think they are British (which they are not) however, rarely see themselves specifically as Anglo Saxons however yes they are definitely Celts, even some people in England have Celtic backgrounds.
Why do the Loyalists think unification with the Republic means having to convert to Catholicism or suddenly have their houses or land taken away and forced to become a Gaeltacht or something? Christ, you can be who you are, but understand that if the Nationalists outnumber you at some point down the line you -will- be subsumed into the Irish Republic. I also have NO sympathy for that woman who blatantly stated she moved to that area on purpose knowing the risks. "Oh yeah, I knew this was just a terrible flashpoint in our inter-generational grievance, yet look how badly they treat us! They flew the tricolor!" Please.
15:49 I always laughed at the way she says that 😂😂😂
She then mentions Scottish flags, and proceeds to say..."not foreign flags", I think she has stood too close to many a bonfire in her time 🔥. ☘️
thank you Irish people (Catholic) for helping us Mexicans fight against the usa. LONG LIVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. 💒💒💒
I guess you're refferring to the Saint Patricks Bataillon, whose members also comprised many non-Irish. It was not the "Irish people" that helped you. Btw. many more Irish fought WITH the US.
Saint Patrick's Batallion is proof that fenians can't be trusted. Disgusting traitorous scum. Now you know why Protestant Americans discriminated against you. The IRA terrorists also helped fund the ANC (black South Africans) and help them take power against the British-Dutch Protestants living there.
I was specifically referring to the Irish traitors that helped the Mexicoons.
Protestants are mostly Scottish not Irish (look up Ulster Scots) and identify as Scottish/British not as Irish. Protestants and Catholics are divided by ethnicity as well rather than just religion.
Northern Irish is just a geographical term for Protestants, not an ethnic one, which is why some will call themselves Irish but virtually none will call themselves Irish.
They are divided along ETHNICITY in addition to religion, not only religion. Nobody is talking about blood. Ethnicity is defined by culture/identity not by genetics/DNA. Many British nationalists were also Catholic.
The utter ignoring of Loyalist massacres and killing is astounding by Protestants. Those in the video act like they never killed anyone, never had the help of the British in killing or death squads. Talk about playing the victim, its disgusting.
"There are people who are living in those areas that have been murdered by loyalist paramilitaries." How can you have been murdered, but still be living?
+Jeremy Ostinelli Yeah, but she didn't say that.
What about those were killed by the SFIRA,
Why should we in the Republic of Ireland care about the north of Ireland. Not our problem. Never was our problem
you say we as in everyone from the republic, lmaoooooo no its YOU, YOU want nothing to do with the north, thats why your not irish. all irish welcome other irish and yes it will be sinn feins problem thats why theyre in irish parliment in the repeblic. and its also why they are fighting for a united ireland !
There are way too many similarities between race in the US and the Northern Ireland conflict.
The Irish better put this in the past and start worrying about Islam. That is the only "Troubles" I saw when I visited in April 2024.
We’re doing alright in that respect, Catholicism and Islam are very viciously vilified and often attacked by the Protestant minority but they stand strong together with the wider population in opposing sectarianism and bigotry from the British
The battle of the fenians and unionists rages below this, just a heads up
Belfast is just a beautiful city…hopefully peace will arrive and man can live with man…
Very aggresive loyalist woman....
She isn’t being aggressive.
@@Valencetheshireman927
Wow!
Then it would be interesting to see her aggressive....
@@johanakermyr1437 She was raised during the Troubles so it would be very interesting to see her aggressive but all we see here is her expressing her opinion.
Good luck!
@@Valencetheshireman927 She's rough, intolerant, ignorant and poorly educated. And yes aggressive.
If you’re still celebrating a victory in one battle from back in 1690, 😂 I think it’s time to celebrate something done recently for a change! European countries and Ireland love to celebrate things that happened 500 years ago, celebrate something that happened this century
The day will come when the North will join the South, and when that happens, it just takes a glance at the comments of this video to see how loyalism and unionism in Ireland will be remembered.
@@ProfileP246 you loyalists are delusional. The uk wastes billions of pounds on the north. It’s a liability. As a southerner I don’t even even want the poverty stricken north , waste of time energy money and space the lot of yous
No walls of shame here.
These murals are representation of our communal histories, and have a huge degree of respect from our people.
Notice how none of them are vandalised?
It takes real moral fortitude to forgive our neighbours, and seek their forgiveness, yet we have achieved exactly that, despite living often just streets apart.
Only the naive and uneducated would all then shameful.
1:30 The IRAs conflict in northeast Ireland was never a sectarian one. The IRA fought the British army and their loyalist allies, the RUC. The British created an artificial majority in the six most northern counties and based it loosely along religious lines. The primary aim of the IRA was what it had always been, to remove British rule from Ireland completely.
we don't keep part of Ireland because we are imperialist. We keep part of Ireland because he majority of people living there want us too. Northern Ireland is an economic sinkhole where much more money goes in then comes back in taxes, and if it wasn't for the people there who wanted us to remain, we would gladly leave.
If that was the case why did the Ra bomb innocent civilians in the mainland 🇬🇧. Don't play the victims Mick
The problem with Irish thought on this is lack of political imagination. I believe I have an idea which could offer a solution. So far there have only been two irreconcilable positions. A completely unified Ireland (with a resentful Protestant minority) or continuation of the status quo in Northern Ireland (with a resentful Catholic minority). But what if Ireland became a confederation of its five historical Gaelic kingdoms, each one having its own semi-autonomous parliament (rather like Canada)? What could be more Irish? Ulster would then assume its historical size taking in a county or two that are now in the Republic. Ulster (with its ancient Gaelic identity) would then be more demographically balanced between the two religious communities but its parliament would have a high degree of autonomy and could even have a native Earl acting as a constitutional bridge between its historically Gaelic populations and the British crown (satisfying the Protestants) while Irish Catholics (and Protestants) in Ulster could enjoy some form of federal representation in Dublin. Both communities could find satisfaction in a more politically "organic" arrangement that could be the lynchpin of future co-operation between Ireland and the UK. There are no other workable solutions.
Tony blair withdrew troops from northern Ireland, but couldn't do the same in Iraq.
Difference was iraqs couldn't get close enough to bomb London were the pig lives.
Tony Blair was a useless fool
He did withdraw Iraq Cameron did it for him.
@@Valencetheshireman927 Made Ulster Unionists and Loyalists wise up accept own bigotry and sectarianism in 1998😂
@@RobertK1993 He had no impact on “bigotry” in NI both unionist and nationalist
It has been a few years since i was in northern Ireland , this spring I will be returning with my missus and my dogs , I miss the place and the people.i shall walk the streets, drink in the pubs , talk to the locals , visit the murals and remember . God bless northern Ireland.
I think every American should be forced to watch this video and learn the history around it.
Why? They wouldn't learn anything more than they already know. This is on such a pro-British slant if it were a street you'd best not forget the parking brake.
@@stephenwright8824 seems you dont know many Americans.
@@badda_boom8017 true dat......when I lived in usa I had a native American friend and thought it was funny in the political circumstances when he said, " when the white man came to my country he killed Many of my people, but we killed even more by teaching them how to smoke tobacco" lol thought it was very funny in light of the circumstances
Americans definitely should, as it seems many misinformed Americans think that Northern Ireland is being occupied. Despite what any republican will tell you, the facts are that Northern Ireland has voted to remain, and that should be respected
Why is it called Walls of Shame.
I see walls of heros
"scottish flags, not from a foreign country" looooooool
Claddagh Róisín Scotland and Northern Ireland are part of the same country
they are the same sovereign state, but in the political sphere of the north they are considered to be a separate country in the same way that the republic of ireland is- because of the principle of consent and recognition that was laid out in the good friday agreement.
aye you keep telling yourself that mate Britain owns you and i am ashamed at scotland i want to help you take back whats yours but eire comes first
Claddagh Róisín 4 nations 1 country.
Gary Owens Scotland is as much Britain as England is. It was a union that SCOTLAND decided to have. The Northern Irish are more Scottish than they are English, Scotland cannot be “free” of a place it created.
These prods are weird
i thought they all were hahah
bobby eat nothing
Northmen , Southmen , comrades all !
Dublin, Belfast, Cork, and Donegal!
Does anyone know the name of the background music playing from 16:50?
19:52 In case you couldn't tell who the bad guys were in this conflict
that is because this totally biased film made by the Qatari government (who only support the republicans because the republicans support Palestine) have handpicked the murals to vilify the protestants. the Catholics have murals glorifying their terrorist buddies the IRA. I think both sides are the bad guys
You are all people , you are all human beings , if you can’t live in peace and tolerance tell me the alternative ?
for god and Ulster
God Bless Éireann.☘
If USSR could tear down the wall why can't jolly old england tear down its walls and let the Irish be free
a united Ireland and United Palestine wil come
A United Ireland is great. What do you mean by United Palestine?
Paulie Walnuts A Free Palestine
@@Craig-gq4gb Does that include a free Israel? I'm asking Skippy up there, not you.
United under the Union Jack and the Israeli flag. Long live Judea and Samaria!
Paulie Walnuts A Free Palestine doesn’t necessarily mean there can’t be an Israeli state aswell
26+6=1 united Ireland
this is painful to watch. just get along ffs
How many Catholics invited into the orange order?
None but hopefully that should change it should be an order for all unionists 🇬🇧
@@Valencetheshireman927 is it not a policy that no rc can join?
@@jackietreehorn5561 The Orange order is specifically for Protestants just as the order of Malta for example is only for Catholics.
None Orange Order hate them don't let them join that simple they hate any other group blacks Muslim/Arabs or Jews be chastises by the media .
love when the loyalist woman said 'give give give' but does she not realise her side took took took?the real shame is lives having been lost in this disgusting needless conflict,if only people got over their prejudices and diplomatically engagez-vous much pain would have been prevented
Would you say the same thing about the Israelis and arabs? It is about identity, and both sides see themselves as british and Irish respectively. The Irish republican side are just as nationalistic as the unionist side, and are very dismissive of the protestant british identity when many have been in Ireland for 300 years!!
@@graduke1 you're 100% on all counts. Can't comment on the Israeli,Palestinian situation as not informed enough but you're totally right about nationalists and unionists.
Scottish planters were far more advanced in their agricultural knowhow right from the start of the plantation.
The native Irish were very primitive at the time.
@@ep1929 and this justifies the plantation of these colonisers? The irish were backward because of British colonisation and as anyone with any intelligence should know,that was illegal and truly immoral. Ever since there's trouble.
@@oliver69cork46 I'm only stating facts from the history books, no offence meant.
I hate those walls of "art" that show guns and bombs and hate. Get rid of them all for street art for god's sake. I want to look at something nice as I drive through the city