Proportional Representation System
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I live in Germany and here is also semi proportional representative system... you cast 2 votes for example for german parliament (Bundestag), 1st vote is for the local candidate, and the second one is for the party... the local candidates who gets the most number of 1st votes get elected directly into parliament (50% seats are reserved for them)... 2nd votes are for the parties (50% seats are reserved for them)... a Party has to get atleast 5% of the Total of second vote to be able to get into the parliament... it is also to clarify that the proportional representation is according to the percentage of casted votes and not the total registered votes...
It heavily supports Christian democrats and west Germany as whole
@Syedbakeruddin Bekar we have a council of states- our senate to protect the rights of individual provinces for that. And it's seats are proportioned with the seats allocated to smallest province as the base.
Interesting. It combines both systems. I think this is the best.
@@mohammadharisfahim6614 gg bilkul sai farmaya apne. kash humne political science parhi hoti toh apki bat sahi lgti.
I thought promotional representation and first past the post system would be too much a troubling topic to understand but you made it so simple. thanks for existing man 🖤
Please make a playlist for political science subject. It would be a great favour for Pol Science students. You are an amazing teacher, indeed.
yup u r right
Proportional Representation System is far better than the current First Past the post system. It will reduce the monopoly of the bigger parties... As for example the NDM of Waziristan or the HAQ DHO GWADAR KO Tahreek of southern Baluchistan can also have representation in the parliament, to execute their output for the betterment of their respective underdeveloped regions. ❤️❤️❤️
totally agree. PR system will also oblige MNA's or MPA's to work for overall progress of constituency, not just focus on their party workers. it will reduce polarization in society
Very nice PRS system! it should be try in Pakistan
Great explaination
Sir keep sharing your knowledge thank you.
I would think that this would also reduce the impact of "electables". Parties would be less likely to cut deals with local feudals because they may not care about the 5 or 10% additional vote bank of a local electable. The disadvantage would be that there would be no local representation. So if a party wins 35% of the vote and none of the top 35% candidates are from Sindh they would get no local representation even if the party got votes from Sindh
wow this is the first time i have heard about proportional representative system and it looks consistent with true democracy. Thankyou Dr.Taimur for sharing this knowledge with us 🙂
True democracy is idealistic and can't be achieved
It seems that no vote is wasted in this type of electoral system. A great concept indeed. I think that there should be a midterm performance review process in place for the elected reps as well. We can't just let a incompetent member hang in there for the full 5 years term.
I m agree with u in mid term performance review system...
Proportional representation is a fruitful step in real Democracy.
And the candidates who are runner up in election must treated as representatives of meaningful population.
Vote kabhi Zaya Nahin Hota, vote aik gawahi hey, apka candidate jeetay ya harey, apka kam eman dari se gawahi dena hey
Ooooo wow nice progress in animations and also face beauty is glowing.
اور میرے خیال میں جو نظام ہے یہی شفاف ہونا چاہیے۔
متناسب نمائندگی بہتر سسٹم ہے۔ اس میں خرابی یہ آ جاتی ہے کہ اگر کسی ملک میں ایک خاص علاقے یا نسل کی آبادی زیادہ ہو تو اس کے زیادہ لوگ اسمبلی میں چلے جاتے ہیں۔ جیسے کہ پاکستان میں پنجاب کی آبادی بہت زیادہ ہے تو آدھی اسمبلی تو پنجاب کے ارکان سے بھر جائے گی۔ یہ ٹھیک ہے اوپر سینیٹ موجود ہے جہاں ہر صوبہ برابر ہے، لیکن نچلے ہاؤس میں ایک یونٹ کو برتری مل جاتی ہے۔
A few points I want to highlight here:
1) as you mentioned, implementation of the PR systrm would be the major stumbling block. Histotically, we, as a nation, donor enjoy a good repute of proper policy implementation.
2) I think in a society like Pakistan, PR system will lead to the rise of populist leader, which will further polarize the already raptured society.
Sir...... What a explanation, hatss off... Today, i believe that we are living in dark ages in Pakistan, intellectuals like you are the torch of enlightenment, sir plz do keep sharing these knowledge with us....... Once again Sir Thanks you
تیمور جی یقیناََ آپ پاکستانی سماج میں عوامی شعور اُجاگر کرنے میں واقعی استاد کا درجہ رکھتے ہیں ۔۔۔ بینکوں کی لوٹ کھسوٹ پر تسلسل کے ساتھ اپنی تحقیق کو آگے بڑھاتے ہوئے سماج کے ضمیر کو جھنجھوڑنے میں آپنا کردار ادا کریں ۔۔۔۔ شکریہ
آپکا فریکشنل ریزرو بینکنگ پر لیکچرز نے پہلے ہی زبردست عوامی وسماجی آگاہی میں واضح طور پر شعور دیا
Sir ….. Ap se hum ne bhot kuch seekha ha video lectures k through….. To asa ha k hum ne apko apna Murshad maan liya ha to jis sysytem ko ap sahi kahen gay wo hamaray liye sahi ha jis ko ap ghalat kahen gay wo hamary liye ghalat…….. ❤❤❤
مجھے تو بہترین لگا اور اس کا ایک فاعدہ یہ بھی ہوگا عوامی سطح سے لیڈرز اٹھیں گے عوام میں زمہ داری اور شعور پیدا ہوگا ۔
I live in Austria since last 30 years with proptional system. That is the Best system
اس نظام کے تحت لوٹا کریسی بھی کنٹرول ہوتی ہے اور electibales کی بلیک میلنگ ختم ہوتی ہے۔
سپین میں بھی یہی سسٹم ہے۔ اور پاکستان میں اس نظام کا شدید حامی ہوں۔
اس طرح ہر طبقے کی موثر آواز سنی جائے گی۔
زبردست پروگرام۔
Good governance has in fact eight essential characteristics and 'participation' is one of them.Participation of what?the answer is simple and luring that is of men,women,minorities,the most depressed and vulnerable section of society.So,in order to represent all shades of opinion PR system is,however the best system.It should be promoted by our political elite so all classes may be adroitly represented in decision making process.
ماشاءاللہ ماشاءاللہ بہت زبردست جزاکم اللہ خیر
Proportional vote system m phr votes direct Parties k liy dalny chahiye naa k individuals k liy
The underlying assumption is that society and people have the right skill set to judge a political party or its policies and vision. Political parties will try or pushed or forced to play subservient in the hands of majority to achieve higher percentage of votes.
Thank you sir. It was always confusing to me but you made it easier for me. God bless ❤
Yes, we should adopt proportional representation system
Proportional representation system is ‘the democratic system’ and answer to ills of our ‘electables’ politics. And more importantly a way to bring forward our educated middle classes into politics.
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پاکستان میں متناسب نمائندگی proportional representationکا سسٹم رائج ہونا چاہیے یہی سب مسائل کا حل ہے اس سے عوام کے ہر طبقے سے اسمبلیوں میں نمائندگی ہوتی ہے
Proportional representation system will be helpful .......
I think Jamaat e islami also demands the propotional representation system... small parties should take collective efforts atleast on this single point
I just want to thank you sir for giving us knowledge that no one give us freely.
Sir ❤
These concepts were difficult to understand but now it’s very easy to tell others on these concept. Plz sir carry on the lectures ❤
Cant thank you enough sir ❤
Seeing the present state of affairs it is definitely time to try out an alternative & the PRS should be looked into with all seriousness. In order to overcome any initial apprehensions/trepidity it could be introduced on a limited scale [pilot project] so that the people get an idea as to how it works & its advantages/ fairness.
Sir it was good to hear from you.
I have a few questions to ask regarding this lecture.
1. How is coalition system viable for Pakistan seeing post 2008 and PDM politics in 🇵🇰.
2. How this PRS would adjust opposition benches - or there will be an opposition based on those who secured less than 5% votes?
Thanks in anticipation.
like your Philosophy. I wish you get lot of success. IK is good but we need you and your party in Pakistan to be strong for the betterment of Country!
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learning new concepts, an excellent source of knowledge.
PR System is better than the current outdated system.
Your videos are of great help sir.Kindly make a video on the role of political parties in Pakistan(if you can mention them separately as well).
مناسب نمائندگی سسٹم بہتر ہے اور زیادہ منصفانہ اور پاکستان عوامی تحریک بھی یہی سسٹم چاہتی ہیں
In my opinion, Proportional Representation system is most suited in democratic countries where voter turnout is high compared to Pakistan, having low voter turnout.If implemented in letter and spirit, it can yield prosperous results for our country and move us close to democracy.
Thanks for explaining the proportional representation system. It sounds very fair and people centric. My fear is that the parties in power and establishment both will not let it ever be adopted in Pakistan. It is easier to control two or three parties that want to win even if it means to disenfranchise a very large minority.
Should be Proportional Representation System in this country
Agreed it could be beneficial option or you can say better option keeping in view situation of Pakistan...
Very Good Information Sir!
This system should be implemented here in Pakistan.
Sir Mera ek sawal hai. Agr hum PR system raaij krtay Hain or jis banday ne apni constituency se election Jeet Liya use wo seat milni e milni hai, same Pakistan k NA Mai sare winner bethy Hain, to hum hare hue candidate k votes ko agregate kare or us hisab se unko represention ka moqa den, mgr Kahan se seats to occupied Hain already winners bethay Hain inn ki jaga Kahan banti hai National Assembly m...? Kindly answer karen
Proportional Representation System ...yes it can be workable
Sounds great.Smaller parties should have a voice.
Democracy is a type of government in which the people are counted not weighed. There should be given respect to every voter because respect for an individual voter is highly crucial. It will be better to go for the proportional representative system rather than an old system of the first past the post system. Lastly thank you for being made such a knowledgeable video.
this system is better for following reasons
it promotes parties over electables
and end the monoply of of electroal politics
it gives political parties a fair share in assembly representsion and enables them select a good pool of members
it will also help strong local governance as same as turkey
In our assembly ,representative of certain parties argue with each others.
Dominate party doesn't collate ideas or perspectives of other regional parties rather they think their idea will only benefits them .
Proportional representation system is best.❤❤❤
I think proportional representation is a good system because in this system every person's vote and opinion can't reject or miss.
Thank you dr sahab!
I see the following limitations in the proportional representation system:
1. A person becoming the representative of a specific constituency may not be the one whom people voted for. (as he might be at the 100th position of the political party's list while the party has the choice of only putting first 35 representatives in parliament)
2. There will be a greater chance of small parties blackmailing the large parties which will ultimately hamper smooth functioning of the government.
जब नई तहरीक या पार्टी शुरु होती है तो एक छोटे इलाके से शुरु होती है जहां जनसंख्या कम होगी। कुल डाली गई वोटों में उनका हिस्सा एक-दो फीसद ही होगा तो पीआर में उसको सीट नहीं मिलेगी जबकि अपने छोटे इलाके की सीट वो जीत सकती है।
बस एक विचार है।
Thank you murshid
No doubt proportional representation system, is an excellent, equitable, fair and accurate. However there are 2 drawbacks of this system, 1) There are chances of uneven representation in Parliament e.i some districts of country may not have any member in Parliament at one hand. On other some districts may have over representation. 2) Those political parties which have their major vote share in backwards areas like Balochistan, Ex FATA Kohistan may suffer more because of low turnout in these areas....Taimor Bhai agar waqt milay tu in dono masaail pe Zaroor Roshni daliye ga....🙏thanks Dr.Aliraza from District Sanghar Sindh.
Dr qadri also always spoke for this system in Pakistan and think this system is much better than existing system
یہ سسٹم بہتر لگتا ہے.بہت اچھا بتایا ہے
I'm glad that you are talking about it, I'm always in favor of proportional representative system, few days ago me and my friend have a little debate on it. I think Pakistan's system should be update to this
Very very rational academic issue
True CZcamsr taimoor sir👍
Thanks... For a Good informative video....
In local body election there should be proportional representative system. It could be applied on metropolitan and there should be no restriction of education for voting and being candidate for local body election.
very good sir.
Ty from Canada ❤
Very interesting !
Dr. Taimoor Bhai, Salam from Stockholm Sweden. Thanks for your informative channel.
Great
Sar, I think that both systems of representation will give the same result in the presence of monopolies. Without economic freedom of the public no reform will give any result in the favour of public. Without basic change the reforms always strengthen the prevalent system and force running this system.
Iss mein ye hoga k Pakistan k politics hamesha ek turmoil se dochar rahy gee, kyun k koi b party iss nizam k zarye majority to legi nahein, to issi tarah pakistan mein political instability rahy gee.....
Sir bht acha system hy ya me jb bi apny dosto se es ki bat larta ho ya logo se wo mazak oraty hy
Proportional Representation System is quite better than the old system applied in our country. At least the votes will not be wasted and seems to be a hope for new comers as well. I request you to further describe its pros and cons as well what troubles get in our path to implement such system.
European countries mostly follow the Keynesian economics others follow the classical economics. Political landscape of a country is shaped thus by economics. British ideals are so heavily instilled in the sub continent that reformation of elections in Pakistan is a dream.
These systems are very useful for subcontinent with huge population constitutes
ووٹ کا حق فقط اہل علم کو ہونا چاہیے جن کو سیاست، مذہب، معیشت، تاریخ، فلسفہ، قانون وغیرہ جیسے علوم کا گھیرا علم ہو اور عام عوام کو ان علوم کی سمجھ دینی چاہیے اور جب وہ اس قابل ہو جائیں تو پھر انہیں وّوٹ کا حق دینا چاہیے۔
کون اہل علم ہے اور کون نہیں، یہ کس معیار کے تحت پرکھا جائے گا؟ کیا ڈگری لینے والا ہی اہل علم تصور ہوگا؟ ایم فل کرنے والے کے ووٹ کو کو ماسٹر کرنے والے کے ووٹ پر فوقیت دی جائے گی ؟ کیا ڈگری سیاسی شعور کا پیمانہ ہو سکتی ہے؟ جنہیں پڑھا لکھا جاہل کہا جاتا ہے، کیا انہیں علم کی بنیاد پر ووٹ ڈالنے کا حق دیا جائے گا؟ ان ان پڑھ لوگوں کا کیا جو سیاسی شعور رکھتے ہیں؟ کیا ہر سال الیکشن سے قبل پرچہ منعقد کیا جائے گا؟ اس بات کو یقینی کیسے بنایا جائے گا کہ پڑھے لکھے ان پڑھوں کے مفاد مخالف کام نہ کریں گے؟ جب تک عوام پڑھ لکھ نہیں جاتی تب تک حق حکمرانی کس کے حوالے کیا جائے گا؟ ملوکیت؟ قرعہ نکالا جائے گا؟ استخارہ کیا جائے گا؟
Love your new look, sir.
Ap kamal ho sir g, salute to you.
Sir, you have narrated Bright side of this system. Please explain the other side too. What are the disadvantages of this system. As we have discussed this system in Newspapers a lot during 1980,s,,, .
let's apply it in our neighbour India, if put a cut off of 5% then there will be only two parties in their parliament and no Independent MPs, this example is not to discourage this type of thinking but to think even more before making some bold statements like one is out of date and another is better version, yes still I think Proportional representation can be used in cases where the area of representation is small or there is already a ground level homogeneity in basic rights and everyone agrees and adheres to that. it worked in Israel and other western european because of this reason, In current system if left freely to function would yield results in long term as people of different groups will first start voting tactically, then work with different communities to become larger voting block. You might say that this system gives rise to dictatorial leaders like Hitler and Putin but you are forgetting there can be similar Problem in this system also a small glimpse can be seen by the Greens in Germany how they twisted the Narrative of Nuclear waste disposal to whole Nuclear energy being bad to destroying the whole nuclear infrastructure to ruble. was it not a baseless propaganda narrative that destroyed the energy security of Germany and actually set us back in the war against climate change.
Sir I have few questions regarding this system:
1) As it depends on how much percentage of the votes a party have acquired to get the charge of government, won't it make all parties concentrate on the province with majority of population? (In our case Punjab that makes 56% of population).
2) As a continuation to the above question, won't it create or rather increase the current bias what relatively less populated are complaining about currently?
3) Sir you sketch a positive aspect of coalition government. As per the political history of Pakistan, the small parties having less but critical number of seats to ensure majority of certain party have used their presence as instrument for their vestige interests (which were not of public benefit). Do you think that aspect will be positive?
For your points 1&2 their is specific weightage of each vote of every provincial assembly. Although, I am not sure whether it is required in formation of senate(I think it is required) but it is required in vote of confidence.
It is calculated as :total no of seats of smallest provincial assembly/ total no. of seats of that provincial assembly.
So Balochistan mpa vote would have highest weightage that is 65/65=1(one vote counts as 1) and Punjab mpa vote will have smallest 65/371=0.175.
‘The vote of MNA is counted as one.’
Since, a constituency is made on basis of population and provinces have equal representation under 18th amendment I see unequal representation to be impossible.
simple solution
1) give more powers to provincial governments
2) give more powers to senate
Yes 2.0 (proportional) with direct selection of PM like in USA.
I see a flaw in PSR for our society where horse trading would keep minority parties together to form a government. PRS is good for societies where education level is high and obviously when next election comes, it refined and defined again.
good idea
If the proportional system comes in Pakistan, we will definitely witness the DANCE OF DEMOCRACY. It requires intra-party democracy that can render party leaders irrelevant, how is it possible in PAK that these political families would let this system thrive at the expense of their own hegemony.
AoA, respected Sir,
PR system admirable Political system
Thank you so much Prof Dr Comrade Taimur Rehman . you are adorable. Thank you for making it so easy. Greetings from Socialist China
the party that comes to mind in reference to proportional representation system is TLP.
Of course this is the best system. I saw this system in Germany at close quarters, and heard very interesting debates in their parliament (Bundestag).
This system will be the first step towards the eradication of feudalism, capitalist monopoly in Pakistan.
Outstanding system 👍
Also your teaching method
Sir aaj to ap twenties main chale geye hainz, Young boy😍
Thank you sir!
Assalamoalykum Sir.first I want to say thank you for your work,really deep and clear to understand.
Then,I want you to reflect upon every governance system in the Islamic world especially from our past,their ways of election and the bases of their main achievements in economy and arm.
I want you to compare and contrast everyone of those.
Show us some statistics which will be more interesting
And keep on this nice and neutral commentary about politics.
Again nice and neutral
Yes .the pr system is the best system to have maximum participation . And in this system u can have either president or prime Minister duly elected by parliament. Also here there is no need of any bielection. In south africa it is successfully working for the last 4 elections. Nasim choudhry. Durban
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Propotional representative system is best for our state
Respected Taimur Sir, i have few reservations regarding proportionate representation system. 1. As stated using this system, it will benefit smaller parties and govt will always be built with collation partners, but in our kind of society and how it has evolved to corruption in past few decades, instead of getting benefit for public/nation the benefits will be for personal interest. 2. Who will finance the party or election campaign, why would a member of the party share his/her financial assets if he has lower priority in the list of parliamentary membership? 3. In our kind of society people vote to their cast/community and in return want favor in terms of regional development so how will this be dealt with in this system ?
Here we have in New Zealand MMP voting system. That's why since its inception, all governments are colation. this makes sure every vote is counted, and parties are benefited.
The women members go the NA comprising different parties according to the proportional representation system
As I see it, there are 2 types of people in Pakistani now (excluding the older generation which was more honest). So, between the ages of 30-50 of today there are 2 types of people in Pakistan of today:
1. people who work in a field or position that allows them to embezzle money (example in the form of contracts, etc.) and they succumb to materialistic desires
2. people who never got a chance to be in that position and, thus, are considered honest. But if these same people were put in the place of (1) they would do the exact same thing.
The idea is good