Best Water Powered Back Up Sump Pump - Basepump Installation Video
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2011
- Basepump manufactured by the Base Products Corp is the best solution for those that have water issues in their home. Due to electrical outages and other issues many sump pumps fail. Up until now the only back up was battery operated pumps that sat in the sump with the primary pump and in theory would activate when the primary pump fails. The problem with a battery back up is that requires electricity to operate as well. A battery charger charges a marine battery which in turn powers the back up pump. Unfortunately the failure rate of these systems and the cost is quite high.
Now there is an alternative that does not require electricity or batteries and works using the home owners own cold water supply. The Basebump is activated when the primary pump fails and turns on pulling cold water from the tap. The water creates a vacuum as it passes through the Basepump and for each gallon of tap water it draws it pulls two gallons of sump water.
Remember, this is an emergency situation and the pump will operate only when necessary. Now a homeowner can leave their homes and never have to worry about a flood in their basement that can cause many thousands of dollars in damage.
Homeowners can call a local plumber for installation of this unit because it requires a tie into your mail cold water supply line. This should only be attempted by those that know exactly how to do this. Base does sell a pressure fitted water line installation kit for those comfortable with plumbing, but don't want to have to sweat the components.
The installation can be done by a good DIY individual that is comfortable with this type of project. Although I am a DIY guy, I called on the A.J. Perri company in Tinton Falls, NJ to do the install and I was very glad I did. This would have been difficult for me to do myself and might have ended up with a disaster as I attempted to hook up my water supply.
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The AVB will prevent water back flow into the potable water. The problem is that, if the discharge line is not self draining, water can come back up to the AVB and it will leak on the floor through the unit. Basepump makes a pretty big deal about this when you call them up and ask. I just installed the 1000 gph model and it works great. The plumber was really surprised at how well it worked. Thanks for the video. It played a big part in making me order this pump.
Water powered back up is the way to go. This video was very helpful in my decision making process. While my install is not as clean and professional as this one it works fine.
I guess the way mine was installed might have had enough of a drop in the 4-5' run that there has not been any issues at all. I can't imagine it backing up unless there was a blockage and even 1" drop on that line would be sufficient to have gravity empty the water out. This was our first install with a expert plumber and if I had to do it again, I would have made the loose connection outside the house.
Glad you found the video informative, I know it helped many make the same smart decision.
@MrJspro Now I recall why we did ours this way. There was no way for the water to back up since our discharge is a closed system and the water goes out of the house down the discharge pipe you see in our video and out the 4" pipe to our towns system. In an open system where the water drains to the outside of the home and onto the ground, that danger exists. This is why Base told us to do ours this way. Glad you pointed this out to help others understand.
this concept has been used for years in the aquarium trade and is by far superior to any battery operated pump. Leonard is correct by saying it is well worth it for the piece of mind to be high and dry. Any pump or motor or anything mechanical will eventually fail; just when is unknown. The choice is yours...
I have now had mine installed since I published this video and review on our website. I can tell you I can travel, go away from my house for weeks and never give a thought to my basement flooding again. For that once in a year or two when we have a brutal storm and the electric goes out, this is the only solution I found in the 44 years dealing with water in my basement that actually works. Listen I don't get paid by this company, I am a user and I love it. Nothing to break either.
Yes, it uses the venturi pump system which creates a vacuum when the tap water flows out of the unit. This tap water creates a suction and pulls up the water from the sump.
We read the instructions and saw that is said we should install 6" above downstream outlets and was told we could install it this way. I will double check with Base and let you know. We went over the instructions very carefully before the video was made to make sure it was correct.
Ty
The unit is only around $300 and you can do your own install or contact a local plumber to do some of the work that you can't do or have someone do it all. I would check with Basepump as they have some recommended installers around the country and in New Jersey we know the people at AJ Perri. Cost of install depends on what you need done and what you want to do yourself and of course who you hire.
@lenrapp The reason for the downhill run has nothing to do with whether the pipe is flexible or rigid. It is about the remaining water in the discharge pipe after the pump shuts off. If it slopes back toward the pump, that water will flow back to the Basepump by gravity and spill out of the AVB valve onto the floor. Instead, you want that remaining water to flow outside by gravity.
Actually, to clear up the confusion, the models with the AVB must discharge downhill and away from the Basepump and open to atmosphere on the exterior. Even when the discharge goes into a larger underground drain pipe, the connection between the smaller pipe from Basepump to the larger pipe in the ground should not be a sealed connection, but have an air gap, as any sump pump discharge should have, including the main electric one.
It's only a problem if the water spills back into the house when you run the pump and it turns off. If there is no spill, there is no problem. If I remember correctly, the pipe from the pump went approximately straight out and then down to the drain. This should be fine unless you experience a spill. Let me know after you run it. Check the connection where the smaller pipe meets the larger one in the ground. It should be loosely fitted there, not glued and sealed.
The only error we made was making a solid connection outside. As you can see on the Basepump video they have it going out to a larger black corrugated pipe that the leads to the main discharge pipe. Remember, if there is a stoppage outside the home, the cap on the Basepump discharge is not glued in and will pop out. There is no need to have a 6" difference from the pump to the discharge line. The AVB will prevent any back flow into the potable drinking line.
Here are the answers from the Base Company to this question...hope this helps. I will check my installation to be sure we didn't glue the discharge pipe to the main and if so will make the correction so the connection is not a glued one. Hope this helps others in their installation.
Leonard, I'm in NJ, Morris County. Can you recommend an installer? Did you purchase directly from Basepump?
I see by your name you are involved in water conservation and applaud you for this. However, your advice is not right for everyone. I for one, as you can see in the video have spent years trying to find an effective method to prevent flooding in my basement and have had to redo my basement a number of times due to electrical or battery failures on traditional battery or electric pumps.
This water based pump is only going to work or use water in an extreme case when electricity is out.
Leonard just a little addition. we have a aquafure (sp) that feeds our home. when the well was dug, installed to the house, we were told we had a 20 gallon a minute flow rate. would that make any difference?
No point in using this with a well, because your well pump requires electricity.
For some reason where i live we been getting alot of heavy rainfall my sump runs atleast every 20 seconds for days on end. If i lose power im screwed besides using my generator but if im not home..hhmmm. so I ordered one of these in hopes it will alleviate my fears of my finished basement flooding.
If you are getting that much water in your sump you might want to call in a company that can access the situation. This is not a normal situation and you might have a cracked foundation or other issue.
@@LeonardRapoport something is going on cause it sounds like a river flowing into my sump hole been that way since i bought my home
How did it pass the code inspection? You could have a broken water pipe, did you check your water bill to see if it was high? Find out if you have a high water table in your area and see if your neighbors are having a similar issue. Check with your towns code office to see if there were any violations or reports. I assume you hired a house inspector prior to closing on the house. He should have caught this problem.
I can tell you that we had a group of homes built behind my home and they are in a lower area than my community. So they had terrible water issues that actually cracked the basement walls. They have to have a contractor come in and excavate the perimeter of the house, repair any damage to the foundation and waterproof it and put in drainage to prevent it from happening again. Check around, see if you are the only one with the problem. I had a break in the waste pipe in my kitchen and was getting a lot of water in the basement. I was cleaning a white paintbrush in the sink and saw white water coming into my sump. I realized what the problem was.
The waste pipes in our community were cast iron, mine has rusted out and all the sink water was going through the soil and into my basement. My house is a ranch, most on a slab where that pipe was, we have a half basement under the living room and dining room.
Insurance paid $35,000 to rip up the concrete floor to find the break, than to correct it, they jackhammered all of my floor in that area, through my garage, excavated my driveway, 8 feet down so they could run new PVC pipe that connected to the sewer system. Thank god for the insurance...big job.
Let me know how you make out...you can email me lenrap43@gmail.com
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@@LeonardRapoport yea no broken pipe when we have dry weather it doesnt run but weve been getting alot of run so it runs quite ofte
@@Mmetz1281 , we have the same problem. It just sounds like a water fall in our basement 24/7! We have poor drainage around our house but the past couple of years it has gotten worse. A lot more rain than ever before. At worst, the pump kicks on every 10 seconds! I'm considering one of these backup pumps now. Eventually we have to have proper drain tile put in...
aw cool smart ideah
I'm not sure that this was installed correctly. Since you have the AVB model, the pump needs to be at least 6" above the discharge line. My kit came with a flexible line for this, but yours goes straight out. I think the unit needs to be high, then the flex hose goes immediately down to make sure the unit drains and does not leak from any back flow. I could be wrong.
I would contact Base Company, unless it was in operation during a power outage and wasn't in use it should not effect your water supply. Are you sure you set it up properly? The AVB prevents that water from entering your system, but unless it is in use, I can't understand how it would get into your water supply. Check with Base and see what they have to say and let me know.
dose it worck by ventury or something?
9 years later. how is it holding up? any issues since install?
researching battery back up units and found water powered.
thanks for your video!
Still works great. Only issue I have is that I have a orange muck that comes into the sump and I have to take the pump out every 6 months to clean it and the PVC pipe.
Can this be installed or mounted in a sump pit outside the house? If so, how do you mount it as there is no joist to hold it?
Contact Base Company for the answer, I wouldn't know much about that.
what's the total cost of one of these including installation?
I am not an expert on this and would direct you to the Base Products for a proper answer.
Visit our web site and click on the reviews. We updated the article to include more information on the install of the discharge pipe. Hope this helps.
The smart thing to do is have a charged battery for the backup in case the 1 at battery dies
Sure what do you do if you are away from home when it goes down or if you are out of power for days during a storm. We were in Florida during a hurricane in New Jersey for a week and came home to a dry basement.
Its a great way to go but against code where we live...
how many years will it last?
Forever...It only goes on when you lose your power on your main pump,which I hope is not that often. There are not many parts here, it is cold water from your tap that creates a vacuum and pulls out 2 gallons from the sump for every one gallon of cold water it uses. During one of the hurricanes we were out of town and when we got home we were dry. I thought my water bill would be huge, but it was only $11 more than usual. Couldn't live without this back up pump.
What about water back flow Into the water system line?
Can't back up, the system has a mechanism that won't allow it.
How much did this cost?
What if u have a well
If you had a well, the water powered sump pump won’t work without water flow.
Leonard why wont this work with a well?
Lorrie52 it will work with a well ....but if the power goes out you will be shit out of luck
This device comes on when the electricity doesn't work. Your well uses electricity doesn't it? That's why its not made for well water. Needs municipal water pressure.
Vacuum breaker not legal in New Jersey. You need a asse 1013 backflow preventer. Check your code book a. J. Perri.
Funny, if you watched the video you would see that A.J. Perry did the install.
I did
No, does not work with a well.
and your moped won't run on water either, duh !
One other thing...I have not had one problem since the install and it had kicked on twice during some bad weather and an electrical outage. Everything works perfectly and there was no need for me to scoop water out of the sump or worry about a battery backup failure. As I said, I would just make a loose connection as it exits the home so in the event of a stoppage, the water will flow out of that loose connection, but will not come back into the home.
Why not pump the water into the homes drain or sewer Lin That’s the way my primary sump pump works
Thats illegal in a lot of areas...add: and if the sewers ever backup then you have extra flooding in your basement.
These things are a nightmare. Even putting aside the cross connection risk imposed by them, the money you'll end up losing by just one single event where the float gets stuck in the "on" position can run you hundreds to even thousands of dollars. If you're fine with coming back home from your vacation to a water bill that's over $3,500, then you're good. I'd personally dump that same cash into a whole-house generator that runs off of natural gas and keep a brand new spare electric sump pump along with a submersible trash pump on hand. Makes a lot more sense to me.
Chad, I have mine installed for years now and never had an issue. The reason for not having any issues is if it is installed properly the float would never get "stuck". Second reason this beats the others...How often would you guess that your main pump would go out? If it burns out and you are home, well you would probably know that because you would hear the Basepump in operation. The second issue, you have a blackout and the electricity is out for a few hours, days to weeks. As I mentioned we were in Florida when the hurricane hit us in New Jersey. I got home and all was dry the Basepump kicked in when the power went out. I thought I would get a huge water bill...well the difference in the cost was $11 more for the water used by the Basepump. Listen I don't get paid by Basepump and I don't make any money promoting it in my video....but as you can see from my previous issues with battery powered backup pumps, I am so happy I got the Basepump.
@@LeonardRapoport I've heard stories from a few people regarding hurricanes and water powered sump pumps. From the sound of the stories I've heard, a water operated sump pump (or any pump for that matter) would only be useful when a tidal surge from a hurricane is powerful enough to flood your home yet, not enough to knock your house off of the basement. That sounds fairly lucky to me. Cheers to that! In either case, I'd like to go over a couple of things in your reply. First, how does one go about hearing when your Basepump is working? Second, you speak to only paying $11 more on your bill. Is that the cost of water alone in the billing period you're referencing or were sewerage costs also incurred and you just left that part out?
@@chadwalker8457 You can hear the water going on if you are in the house. However, if you have a power outage you would probably go to the basement and see it in operation. Not sure what the question is on this point. The difference in my water bill from the previous billing a month before was an $11 difference. So it was not a major issue. Remember, it might have been working only for the days that the hurricane was at its worse and not the entire week. Either way, I am not paid by Basepump, I was thrilled to have the opportunity to have this installed and was able to get A.J. Perri to come in and do it for me because I was shooting the video.
It is now years since the installation and thankfully we have not had any hurricanes or major blackouts, but I test the system every once and a while to make sure everything is clean and in working order. Prior to redoing my entire basement to make it waterproof, which meant tearing out all the walls and putting up water resistant pink foam wall covering, steel beams, raising the floor and adding waterproof sheeting, then waterproof carpeting and an entire new PVC drainage system with 4 cleanouts, my basement is not dry and secure. Cost my insurance company $10,000 for all the repairs and adding Basepump was the final item needed. Hope this helps.
Great the basement won't flood instead you will have a 8000 dollar water bill
I was out of town with my wife during a Hurricane in Jersey. We thought when we returned home our house and basement would be flooded. It wasn't, the Basepump did its job. I thought I would get a huge water bill as well. When the bill came in it was $11 more than usual. I was amazed. It only uses a couple of gallons of water if that much to empty the sump. Check your water bill and see what you pay per gallon, it is only pennies.
You would need a month long rain while in a month long power outage to hit $8000.
I use it to save the Furnace and washer and drying if the power goes out in the basement.
Dennis Taylor 3 My family was away in Florida during A hurricane in New Jersey we got back a week later and everything was dry I thought we would have a huge water bill It turned out to only be $11 more than the previous months bill. Again it pulls out 2 gallons of water for every 1 gallon of tapwater that you use so you can do the math imagine the damage that would’ve been done to my basement would’ve been in the thousands of dollars. We had three floods in the basement the insurance company kept paying us But told us that we needed to fix the problem or they would not pay out in the future
Do the math... let's say you didn't have this backup and you ended up with 60 gallons of water in your basement. With this pump, you would have used 30 gallons of cold water to get rid of the 60 gallons. I just pulled my water bill for the month of Feb where I used 4,000 Gallons of water at a cost of $21.20 + a Service Charge of $16.85 my total bill was $38.05.
Check your water bills and see what you pay, I am in New Jersey using American Water Company. Now if your pump fails and you have a battery back-up which I had it will pump for a few hours and it is dead. I don't work or get paid by Base, but after owning this system for years, I swear by it.