Tyler Perry Vs Spike Lee: The Black Film Feud Which Divided Two Cultural Icons (Documentary)
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
- Spike Lee and Tyler Perry have achieved great success in Hollywood and over the decades have entertained their loyal fans with Films and TV shows that showcase Black culture. Nobody would have expected them to be involved in a long running beef that would last for over a decade. This documentary covers this infamous feud, which was a debate over class and authenticity, and how black stories should be represented on screen.
Produced & Edited By: Jason Boothe
Narrated by: Rell (Sav-B)
Music Prod By: MetzMusic, Rama Low, Yuzzy
This feud wasn't in vain, it sparked an important conversation.
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Spike's movies will stand the test of time. His body of work Speaks VOLUMES over Tyler Perrys.
There's space for both. Folks always need division.
@@brother-dreexactly. Martin scorese isn’t talking shit about Michael bay, or how mike is making white people look bad. Two different lanes.
@MrShaiya96 right? I never liked the angry little man who needs to lash out. Spike has made some muddled shitty films but has been a millionaire since 25
Tyler makes warm films which appeal to family and kinship. No reason for Lee to attack the man who portrays the black family in a real and affectionate way
Screw spike lee
Ryte he is the goat of the culture films Tyler is cheap spike lee got top names on his films all very seasoned actors Tyler get people reuse them but some u can’t recall they name jus they faces
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Spike helped so many rise in Hollywood; Tyler helped himself rise in Hollywood...
True facts💯
tell me how many actors that have worked with TP has gone on to do great things, I'll wait!
@@franciswise1183 He gives them the opportunity. It's up to them to take that and run with it.
@@brother-dre it may also be once they have worker with him they could be stereotyped! it's just my opinion!
@@franciswise1183Denzel Washington, Samuel L jackson, the wayans brothers, jada pinkett smith, are the most obvious answers. Did you even think before you asked that question? lol
Tyler was in his feelings when asked about Spike. Spike gave his opinion saying that he thinks Tyler’s movies are having a negative impact on American culture. All Tyler had to say was I’m not worried about him. He just sounded like a hater in the interview. Spike remained positive.
"TYLER PERRY DON'T YOU CALL ME!" - Denzel Washington at The Academy Awards
There is room for both representations. Sometimes people just want levity and to laugh at themselves and each other. Other times people desire introspection and gravity. There’s a time for everything. The debate was, is, and always will be welcome. The best truce between these two will be for the (now) billionaire Tyler Perry to fund Spike Lee’s films.
Not if he has any sense.he'd do better with Ryan coogler or Antoine fuqua or create his own new "it" person.or just invest in a motley Crue.thats what the others do.its never one person sometimes it's three or more directors.
Ryte but spike lee I’m sure don’t need Tyler to fund his films he has bill Cosby Janet Jackson Micheal Jordan magic johnson on his speed dail he says it on the making Malcom x film documentary then I’m sure others like jay z he from Brooklyn he got a team of financial people he probably could get some of those young rappers to dig in they pocket out of respect to fund him he retired now u think he not straight or can’t jump back in the film game and get funding please
Spike was right about black images on film and how they have been used to harm black people ie "Birth of a nation" 1915. it is very important maybe most important to be careful about the images we allow to represent us.
Like it or not Tyler Perry's images has harmed us and disgraced us. His negative images are having a more lasting impact than all the positive images going back to Paul Robeson to Lena Horn up to Denzel and Spike.
Please provide specific examples.
God walk away from black Americans. Blacks in Canada love Tyler Perry. Why do you bring so much Division amongst your race
Now i understand why Tyler is more promoted than spike Lee, cause spike message will be disturbing for the élites. I run for Spike Lee now more than ever.
Your take is interesting. Especially after other so-called elites (in the comment section) seem to support spike.
Tyler Perry was letting Weinstein and Diddy do whatever they wanted to him. You melanin folks will sell your soul for a pack of Newports and a 3 piece from Popeyes 🤦♂️
Numerous times throughout my adult life, I've heard white & non-black people tell me "I just love those Tyler Perry movies" as a means to "connect" with me. Apart from being enraged about this, I realized how DAMAGING Tyler Perry is to the African-American community. Tyler Perry is NOT making stuff for the Black Community. He is making fodder and stereotypes for the world to make fun of. Every Spike Lee film I have watched was a masterpiece and made me think on a deeper level.
Think about it like this: How many Black Celebrities have kept their dignity are successful?
Who the hell would want to "connect" with black people?? Stay tf away from me 😂
Tyler Perry's films are for the segment of the black community that is more simple-minded and church-going. While Spike Lee's films tend to be geared toward the more college-educated sophisticated segment of the community.
Spike Lee films are for people who thought going to college was gonna change them for the better and forgot who they were on their path to a degree.
@@stevewinwood9645 nah I think you are just projecting
@@eddycarpenter8989 Hmmmm very interesting point ; Got my college diploma (business accounting) I mean BARELY-3 year course took me 4 (Reseat)-But I got it!!
I can tell you for a fact ; I got 'lost' a lot in the partying and I sure picked up a lot of lifelong bad habits(Drinking,Weed smoking(Bong only),Tony Montana,E(before they were rebranded molly),Womanizing,Bar hopping etc
ALL ON THE WAY TO THAT DEGREE 😎😎......I got lost lots 😁
One focuses on being drag the other on not being dragged. 😙🧐
no he speaks to your house hold , your family gatherings and your july 4 bbqs , the black family , Spike speaks to black and brown issues speaks to people with artistic background like u said BUT NONE OF US IS SIMPLE MINDED
Tyler Perry is complexly wrong about Italians and Jews not being critical of work about them. I have many Italian friends who hate what the Godfather represented. As a Jew, Seinfeld has Jewish culture in it, but did not have Jews all looking like rabbi's eating corn beef. How a black person feels about it is subjective. Jews and Italians also have many similarities.
No tf they don't. Only similarities are they're both insufferable to be around 😂
So from Tyler Perry's perspective, anybody else that doesn't like his movies can go straight to hell. That's a messed up attitude.
😂😂😂the madia show up. Love Tyler he makes me wheeze from laughter.
Spike Lee created stars like Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson amongst others! Tyler Perry crickets
Yea tyler Jews and Italians don’t exploit their kind in Seinfeld and the sopranos. Those shows bring confidence and a sense of power and privilege, no real black man wants to be madea . Plus I’m sorry but making bread off of exploiting doesn’t make u a genius. To me spike lee journey was more important to our culture, but that doesn’t make Tyler perry less important. Tyler is very talented and I respect him also and they both definitely deserve flowers 💐 but wrong is wrong . The same with rap/trap/drill music . We love it but it’s very detrimental for us🤷🏾♂️💯
I am in agreement with Spike Lee’s side of the argument. Having said that, I don’t begrudge Mr Perry’s success, I just never found the humor in his work just embarrassment. It wasn’t for me.
Y’all need more likes for this video. Loved every second!! Very tastefully done, very impactful …. ❤
Respect to them both hands down
Also... as a complete outsider who has had a similar experience. .. this kind of reminds me of the infighting in feminism between very hardcore feminists and women who embrace motherhood and stereotypically "feminine" roles (I am one). I caught a lot of flack for "embracing the oppression"... but I actually ENJOY being a wife and a mother, and while I fully support women being able to choose their path in life, I actually WANT this. I kinda see Tyler's struggle with Spike like that. Spike is going "You're representing all Black people poorly" and Tyler's going "Dude, can't I just represent MYSELF?" Tyler's not saying "this is EVERY black experience" he's saying "this is A black experience".... although when he points out that white cultures don't police ourselves the way black people do when it comes to representation in the media.... he's kind of glossing over the fact that black people have only gotten control over how they are represented within the past 50 years,so of course a there's going to be a certain expectation of responsibility some people are going to weigh on those who have that platform.
must say as someone who is very much on Spike's side of the debate you make a very good point with that analogy.
Spike makes films that electrify'em
Tyler makes films that pacifie'em
Spike is an artist. He views film as something more than a product to make money. He understands the unique circumstances that African-Americans face which is not comparable to other groups. Lee's mentor, Scorsese, holds similar views about film as an art form.
There’s no feud nor competition. Lee is an Auteur. Tyler Perry isn’t.
Watching from Granada in the Caribbean
Thanks for locking in from the islands!
When Hattie McDaniels played in gone with the wind they accused her of setting us back by playing a maid she politly told them she would rather make 200 dollars in a.day than 200 a month as a maid lol the only people that will set us back is our own people who try to think and speak for us
Spike Lee wins hands down. Better writing. Better acting. Better scores. Better cinematography. Spike Lee is a bonafide auteur.
I’m honestly unsure if Perry’s dramas are intended to be satire. The over the top dialogue and acting make me wonder if it’s intentionally bad.
Why do we choose? We all know what we like and at some point in time will end up watching both their movies. Both men have their own style. Simple. We all gravitate to what we like. Simple. These 2 are prime examples: beautiful, creative, blessed black men pitted against each other over no sensible. We aught to be better and show better. I pray this friendship continues and I pray TRUST is leading this friendship and grow into partnership and support for each other. 2 men coming together for 1 largely creative mind
I am not a fan of spike lee as a person but, I can respect him for his filmography. The man is a legned till, the end. Tyler perry is a legned in his own way but at what direction service to white Supremecy.
Spike lee sold out too.them weak ass movies.its parts of the hood he can't go to because of those wack ass movies.people started hating him for all the fake outs.
Oh yes, Tyler has definitely signed some "contracts" to be where he is.
I think that Spike does not articulate himself well because he comments with emotion. This subject is serious & personal to him. I think that "in a nutshell ", what he is trying to say that any comedian or comedic actor could have made or come close to making the money Tyler Perry has off of the Madea character & franchise. Any African American would have no problem getting all of those type projects "greenlit". Whether it was Nutty Proffesor, Big Mamma's house or any other role with a man dressed as a woman, the creator's of the aforementioned could continue to make content under those franchises but made a conscious decision to stop. That is the difference.
Hands down spike lee was better in directing and producing
One brother preaches strength and black excellence. The other one sells a stereotype of black people
Spike Creates art. I’ve never watched a Tyler Perry movie.
You’re not missing anything
As I’ve said before and I’ll say it again, Tyler Perry is no Chaplin(1889-1977), Murphy, Lawrence, MJ(1958-2009) or Peele. His work has not United people or talked about issues that effect all humans not just some.
Why not make your own movie to bring your black race together
Bring the black race together?? You have a better chance of Biden not 💩 himself than that ever happening 😂
Seems to me like spike never said Tyler directly. But they say a hit dog gonna holla.
We can have both. Both brothers create jobs and opportunities for many other black people. They have different views. Tyler played the part and is now in a position to win on a different level.
It’s all type of black people we love them both 👌🏽 but I likes spikes movies better
Great documentary!
I respect both men and cherish both of their work. 💯🎉❤
Agreed 💯!!
The two should make a "dramedy" together about the Black Migration - an urban Brooklyn family attends a family reunion in the South from where grandparents emigrated. Spike sorta touched on this theme in Crooklyn.
Crookyn was shit.
How can that happen when all Perry does is disrespect black man, and wanna dress up like women
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SPIKE LEE IS THE MASTER MAN WHO SEES THE PLAN
I love them both..... please come together and start something bigger than ever for blacks film wise!!!!
That is to much like right.
Not gone happen to much egos that like saying faith Evans vs Mary j Blige undisputed queen of hip hop soul
@@damongipson-dg8pcnot even close of a comparison. It’s not the same.
Tyler’s work is pure stagnation.
There is place for every honest and talented person. I like them both 🤷♀️
Jews people did complain about Seinfeld, and Italians did complain about the Godfather, so Tyler Perry is wrong about that.
Im team Spike Lee ✊🏾❤️
Thank you. This was well out together. Lee and Perry are trailblazers. I understand Lee's criticisms. Both directors have made great films.
THIS IS INCREDIBLE... THANK U FOR YOUR BRILLIANT WORK KING... ALSO THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE GREAT MIGRATION
They're both gifted and help manyyyyy black actors. Its $1B of talent you don't get $1B by mistake that's hard work & not giving up on there endeavors
The fact white people back Tyler Perry and Oprah I know it’s bad for us. If Tyler can get Denzel in a movie I’ll listen to his side
I like the "Air Jordan 4" sneaker/kick enthusiast, Mars Blackmon (aka NY-bred legendary filmmaker, Spike Lee). It's the Shoes ! Tyler Perry, like Oprah (Winfrey), has created an ATL media (tv show/film) studio empire. Different Strokes (with characters like a "Madea") for Different Folks: it is like a Menu at a Restaurant. 31 Flavors (of Ice Cream) for everybody; it depends on what you like (preferences). To each his/her own. There is room on the dinner table for both of these cats. Spike Lee's "Bamboozled" (2000) and/or Robert Townsend's "Hollywood Shuffle (1987)" both comes to my mind; on the latter, I was thinking about the realistic "Black Acting School" skit.
SPIKE lee produced and directed Malcolm X.. end of story no comparison
I’m Mexican and loved Tyler Perry growing up cuz I saw the issues and ignorance in my family as well. It was something to laugh at through experience and relating to these characters and seeing my family in them . Respectfully I think Tyler Perry pokes fun at the ignorance of HUMANITY but still makes his point thru talking about real shit. Given I’m talking about his early 2000s era of creativity
THIS IS IN NO WAY DISRESPECT TO SPIKE LEEi love him so much but for a completely different reason
Let me be clear, we all possesse 'FREE ... WILL 😮 IT is 'UP' to each of US❤❣️💔💰⌚
I’d like to see them work together.
I'm For Spike... Do the Right Thing T.P.
Love this !
Spike provided positive characteristics of negativity and Perry pushed the negativity and sold his ppl out with constant negative views and out comes of black people.
Naw man, you’re lying Tyler Perry. There has been some Italians that have complained about being portrayed as being part of the mafia
Shout out to Spike! 💯💪🏾 #brooklyn
Tyler Perry is great. He gets shit for making warm feel good films which uplift
Lee is an angry little man who has been a millionaire sitting courtside at Knicks games but still pretends to be an outsider
God Bless Tyler
A good man who knows how to make you feel good
Let me state this, I have a lot of respect for Spike Lee.
Most of his movies have a message. Even though Tyler Perry might be bad mouthing Black Men & I hate it. It's Realistic about us & don't like it. Not all the time is black men are getting a bad name.
Tyler is an industry plant
There is room for both because they have very different approaches to film and writing. Tyler has a souther. POV and Spike Lee definitely has a northern black experience Brooklyn point of view. Two very different black experiences.
Spike Lee movies are progressive whilst Tyler is just comedy that is outdated
I wonder what Spike thoughts on Pootie Tang if he d seen it
Collab would be absolutely brilliant
I enjoy them all equally.
dope vid..
Grateful for single one
Madea is no different than Martin Lawrence's Big Mama or Eddie Murphy's Clumps (Nutty Professor). This was not a worthy criticism on Spikes part. But, he is entitled to his opinion.
I think that Spike does not articulate himself well because he comments with emotion. This subject is serious & personal to him. I think that "in a nutshell ", what he is trying to say that any comedian or comedic actor could have made or come close to making the money Tyler Perry has off of the Madea character & franchise. Any African American would have no problem getting all of those type projects "greenlit". Whether it was Nutty Proffesor, Big Mamma's house or any other role with a man dressed as a woman, the creator's of the aforementioned could continue to make content under those franchises but made a conscious decision to stop. That is the difference.
That is coonery, isn't it. But instead of a male blackface they are doing a female blackface( jeezabel, mammy etc) without the paint.
Now get this. Tyler Perry has made because he degrades his people. As long as he degrade his people with all the drag dressing and homosexuality of our men, and the clowning of black Wombmen he will always be on top. Hollyweird will make sure Perry will be on top.
This is what so many don’t see. Hollyweird doesn’t want the positivity of my people aka black people. That’s will my people. As long as my people degrade each other in film and music, the matrix industry will make sure their successful and what’s working.
Tyler tells spike he can go to hell🔥☄️ well I’d like to to ask him Does he think our Divine Almighty MostHigh Yah is pleased with his work and pleased with what he does when the cameras 🎥 and mics🎤 aren’t on him?
Spike isn’t no perfect individual however, he is about the truth of our people and his doesn’t put out garbage 🗑
Spike puts out nothing but garbage and his movies promotes Hellenistic/African matriarchy concepts and has vast gay undertones.also he always has the black man in America holding hands and joining forces with heathens and down on their luck slave traders.please stop it.
Totally agree with this statement
Both of these black male film makers pretty much started out the same way, WITH NOTHING!!! There are differences, yes, but they started out from the floor/ground UP!!!
Now, black men have waged war against Tyler Perry movies (films) because they say they "DON'T LIKE how they're portrayed in his movies (films)!!!!!" And I don't know why???? Black men are probably 10 times worse than how Tyler Perry portrays them in his films!!!!!! The TRUTH is the TRUTH!!! Today, the black man is TOTALLY UNRECOGNIZABLE!!!! He has NO RESPECT for women!!! I have LITTLE RESPECT for the (my) black man!!! I did 600 years AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I feel this way towards the black man TODAY because of his ACTIONS TOWARDS ME AS A BLACK WOMAN!!!
I’ve always admired spike Lee for his brilliant work but Tyler Perry, well you know where I’m going with that.
Did Tyler perry compare his content to Seinfeld and the soprano’s? 🤦🏾
Does Tyler ever help anyone make it?
He doesn’t even have writers.
Spike made Malcom X Tyler made Madea goes to jail I'm born and raised in Brooklyn and l idolize Spike l currently live in South Carolina where my wife was born and raised she perfers Tyler Perry what she finds funny about his movies doesn't really appeal to me but we both understand the importance of them both l dont particularly like the way Tyler films where preferred in Hollywood because the stories are less complex and characters are cartoonish but it got Tyler to a place where he can write his own ticket and put people of color in a position of power in Hollywood that can use his studio and his power to get things done
Why is this surprising? Seems like a Kendrick Drake beef. (In craft only. I think Tyler Perry is much a better person than Aubrey.)
They need to do another take on a definitive Muhammad Ali biopic with Spike Ali at the helm. Because that 2001 film was a mess.
Alas; U R The Dark & The Light: In troubled times the image matters. They will either use yr image to destroy or exhort u. 4 looks can deceive. But yr culture must b the definite underlining defining characteristic of yr art works. 4 yr past, present & future will manifest of it. stand strong. stand obedient. stay tuned. love. learn. evolve. peace&goodwill. TT".
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Tyler Perry is an embarrassment, but the biggest embarrassment is that blacks support him.
Well for me, Tyler Perry never or maybe stopped doing it for me when i considered whether I'm laughing at black people or with?
Whether yiu like Spike's films or not, you can't say he added to the negative perceptions of black people, even when he showed the ugly side.
Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M. Get the money. Dolla, Dolla bill y’all.
Tavastock Institute!! Not sure about the spelling..
Spike never wore a dress.
At least Spike Lee didn't have to put a dress and make up on to become famous.
This is silly! Society always pits blacks against each other. As if we can only have one "hot" black at a time. When is the last time they pitted two white men against each other? Johnny Depp beefing with Matt Damon? Never, because Hollywood can have 83 hot white actors. That's fine.
they want to put a man in a dress they will give you anything to put a Man down
I've said it before. Spike is all about Blackness. His artistic abilities are hindered by that. Don't get me wrong, he has done fantastic works. But, as a director, his concentrating ingredient is black. The art is the challenge and the beauty. Perry? Outside of the Madea, he has hurt black america. Madea was just stupid fun with an honest message. "Why did I get married," says it all, and did so much bad. It confused the already confused...which is us. Spike never confused us.
6:33 Tyler perry is lying Italians did protest against the sopranos and The Godfather
The Colombo crime gamily ensured the word "Mafia" wouldn't be used in the Godfather.
Sopranos had many Italian American detractors. Recall that Russ Fegilo episode where Carmela accused her mother of hating her own heritage. Well written and acted.
@@currypablo exactly
Typical BS. Shouldn't be a feud, they both legends, & both necessary. Spike was a part of the blueprint, owning his own production company, perry is the next faze, owning his own production company, production studio & working on a channel. True 💯 percent control of his content, & don't need a white man budget or what a white man to green light his movie. It's no need to put them against each other. I don't hear white folks making a beef out of Stephen King & speilburg. It's nothing wrong with having different content, nobody is in the same mood all day. It's a time to laugh & a time to be serious
I always hated Tyler Perry’s movies
Spike was right on this one BUT never tare a BLACK MAN DOWN TO A yt
I'm with Spike. TP is full of 💩
I’ve related to John singleton movies never those fairy tales Tyler makes
It's nice to think Tyler will go down as a legend like Spike Lee but.... I dont know. If you've been paying attention to the way he moves, I feel like he's going to be on the chopping block soon. Same chopping block Diddy is on currently.
also tyler is the meaning of getting it out the mud , he did do everything himself SPIKE went to a pw and got put on by a white its all good though justdont tare your own people down yo
I never thought Tyler Perry stuff was funny or lessons within it. It's stereotypical. Spikes stuff is like The Cosby's , Different World, classy and hits upon real issues... only Spike needs to be mad at black folks, not Tyler. This is America, it's about the mighty $.I could never finish watching a Tyler Perry movie... it's obnoxious! Go figure!
Tyler is 🗑️
The greatest Black film I've ever seen is "King George" so powerful they had to cancel Will Smith!
Tyler Perry made better movies than Spike Lee.
Tyler Perry was known for acting like a woman, Spike Lee was known for exposing Rosie Perez breasts.
Spike Lee is known for more than that.
@@IkennaKonkwo2-lz8lj True. I'm not knocking Spike.
Don't compare tyler shit to Epic movies like Spike