Train of Thought COMPILATION - Extreme and Exceptional Engines
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2023
- A binge compilation of some unique designs and otherwise strange engines that worked for you to study, sleep or otherwise enjoy yourself to
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"steam locomotives however do not care what science tells us" i love this guy
This guy makes some of the best train content on CZcams and uses some of the best background music as well.
Indeed
And he's not a toxic shithole. Like Jim Von Ruff and Amethyst. A lot of "online railfans/ CZcamsrs" Are very nasty people. A lot of them, are disrespectful little bratty teens. Also, a lot of the UK railfans, (not all of them, so keep your pitchforks in the shed) are sleazy assholes. But yeah Jim and Amethyst and Victor are shitty people. Not only that, I think a lot of the memelords in the community, have put a honest stain on themselves. Note, I don't hate all memes, just all of the racist ones and ones making fun of peoples disorders, and folks with autism. Oh right! Fucking MohawkNotMountain, that little fucker... ohhhh....he's a real piece of work... But yeah, I love being a railfan. But, a lot of the community is pretty shitty.
He also makes a lot of elementary mistakes, so there's that aspect of his prolific output as well.
@@eltlawHe's still pretty good though. I think he would be ideal to do a video on steam loco scrapping.
@@PreservationEnthusiast His stuff is very entertaining.
I love the fact that engine 4014 recently got to flex the power of steam by helping a stalled freight train up a hill in Nebraska.
the Q1's had one majour issue. They were "light on their feet" or in other words. They were too light for the sheer amount of power they had. This meant that drivers had to be EXTREMELY gentle on the accelorator, or the wheels would spin.
After the war, the first thing they did was "throw weight at them" I.e. they added a whole bunch of metal to them in order to make them heavier so they would have more grip. This meant that there was a fair amount of veriety in their looks post war. However, the one in preservation has been preserved in a much more original condition.
Yep. Although they were otherwise fantastic engines. The Schools were also a little ballerina like, and they were also great!
These engines are the perfect examples of "just because I look weird, doesn't mean I'm useless"
Alright, here’s timeline for y’all again
0:00 Snowdon Mountain Railway
3:50 BR 9F “Evening Star”
6:00 Camelbacks
8:58 Shay Locomotives
12:12 SR Q1 Class
15:12 UP “Big Boys”
19:30 Cab Forward Locomotives
26:02 Crane Tank Engines
Fun fact about the Big Boys: Big Boy actually refers to their type, or their wheel arrangement. Union Pacific officially classed them as 4884-1 (#4000 - 4019) and 4884-2 (#4020 - 4024). Original, I know. They did something similar with the Challengers. They were classed as CSA-1 and CSA-2 (The light Challengers) and 4664-3, 4664-4, and 4664-5. (The heavy Challengers.)
For more originality points, they have the FEF classes (UP 844 is an FEF-3.) in which the FEF stands for Four Eight Four.
Bravo, Union Pacific.
My fave is the TTT because I like alliteration.
It's telling that UP didn't even want the second batch of 4000's, they really wanted FT's however the warboard determined UP's needs didn't warrant their use at that time
It's not all that different to the LNER, who used a letter for each wheel arrangement. For example the A3 and A4 classes were 4-6-2s, the B1, B2, etc. classes were 4-6-0s, and so on.
@nyeti7759 fyi the Pennsylvania railroad used a letter for a specific wheel arrangement D for 4-4-0, G for 4-6-0 etc. Hence the nomenclature for a GG1 which of course was a 2-C-C-2 (4-6-6-4) or the DD1 (2-B-B-2)
My favourites have to be hybrid-rack-and-pinion trains. They use conventional wheels on rails for most of their travel but have a cog that can use the rack on steeper inclines. So fall all I have seen were electric, so I have no idea whether steam versions exist
I was quite disappointed when 3 years ago I went to Mount Snowdon and hiked up it. The mountain railway was operating but only with Diesel traction sadly. And portions of the track near the summit were in quite serious disrepair, as such the railway only operated to the half way mark at Clogwyn station. I hope its since been repaired.
I saw one working a Swiss railway once. It had an extra pair of cylinders just for gear.
South Africa had (has) a specific steam locomotive class called the Class 25. This was a locomotive built by the North British Locomotive Company and had a 4-8-4 Northern Type layout. What’s unique about the Class 25 is that it had a Condensing Tender patented by Henchel & Sohn. The condenser basically did what it says it does. It condensed spent steam to be reused, virtually decreasing water consumption by 90%. This condenser in turn made the engine sound unlike any steam train, making it sound more like a diesel whine than anything else.
Yes, there was non-condensing Class 25s called 25NCs. Most were original, but some were condensing types turned into 25NCs. You can tell a converted one compared to an Original 25NC by looking at the serial plate. On top of that, there was a Class 25NC restored into a one and only Class 26 nicknamed “The Red Devil” for its outlandishly bright cherry red paint coat.
Did I forget to mention that one Class 25NC had Dual Lempor Chimneys, and this engine just happens to be one of the Condensing types converted into a non condensing type.
I need more long-form train content!
Same, but preferably with fewer mistakes and more facts.
I think the Q1 is a sheer tank of a machine, and is my personal favourite locomotive.
It's definitely my favorite British engine.
One of my favourites too. A proper workhorse.
@@bitterdrinker No frills, no needless aesthetics. There is a subtle beauty to simplicity, much like a Kalashnikov.
York has a replica of Rocket and the original that used to be at the Science Museum in London (now only the cutaway model is there).
Cass Scenic Railroad No.5 will always be my all time favourite childhood locomotive. I used to watch countless videos on the rail road when I was a child and No.5 stuck out.
Interesting fact about the Snowdon section, both L.A.D.A.S. derailing, and the engine helping the girl who had an asthma attack were directly adapted into stories for the Railway Series, the books from which Thomas the Tank Engine is from
Good compilation, chap!
Shays! Coolest locos ever, followed closely by the Southern Pacific cab forward , IMHO. Great compilation BTW! The UK still takes the cake for unusual locomotive design, though
"Steam locomotives don't care..."
There are diesel rack-and-pinion locomotives such as the ZL 200.
It handles inclines up to 2.5 degrees greater than the steam locomotives found on the Snowden Railway.
The entire Gornergrat Railway railway runs electric rack-and-pinion locomotives.
So it sounds like... locomotives don't care.
Yeah there are but they don’t often go up the mountain and there not originally from that railway so it is STEAM locos don’t care
Evening Star is the most unique 9F I think I’ve ever heard of.
It’s called evening star to represent a ending the evening being the end of the day a stars afterwards meaning the end but it will live on
very informative
Thanks ToT! Great compilation video cobber. Cheers.
Great work ToT, love these compilation vids.
i knew it just knew youd metion SMR! thank you man, finally getting some pr for the place!
I was expecting you to mention the Leader class of locomotive, built by Bullied. It looked like a modern day Diesel locomotive, but was steam, and had a driver's cab at both ends, and the Fireman's cab in the middle.
The Leader was to late to be a factor in modern railroading.
Electrical and diesel engine technology evolved so fast that Steam became obsolete.
Steam power has one big advantage above internal combustion engines.
every stroke is a power stroke.
In electrical power generation today, steamturbines are still the norm.
The SJ (Swedish stare railways) had the most succesfull steam turbine engines.
the entire class of steamturbine locomotives is preserved!
In Britain the diesel didn’t advance as quickly as you think it was a rushed process by British rail to withdraw steam the early BR diesels were often not a success most often to call a steam engine to take so its duty and mostly the diesels were underpowered compared to steam engines they were meant to replace it wasn’t till the early 70s that successful diesels became more common that’s 2 years after the ending of uk steam on the 3rd of August 1968
This really needs a sequel
Very interesting video.
Nice
Interesting & beautifuly presented!
While I love articulated locomotives, the Shays are definitely my favorites on this list. Slow, powerful, unique locomotives that can handle anything. You could do like the Mann’s Creek Railroad did in the New River Gorge and slap a haphazard railroad on the side of a river gorge, and the Shay can handle the steep and uneven grade hauling logs or coal. The Heisler and Climax locomotives are cool too, but the Shay is a much better design.
Very good!
Fun fact the Big Boy is not the longest, that title belongs to the Pennsylvania S-1 which is 8 feet longer than the Big Boy.
The talks of the Big Boy always interest me because of how slightly misconstrued everything is. The S-1 was longer. The Virginian class AE 2-10-10-2s were wider with larger boilers, front pistons, and were arguably more powerful (the VGN never measured their full potential). The C&O H-8 Allegheny was taller, heavier and had higher horsepower. The N&W Y-6b put out more tractive effort in both simple and compound mode. Yet somehow people class the Big Boy over all of these, while it only truly wins the title of “longest articulated locomotive”, because the S-1 was a rigid frame duplex. The VGN AE had physically longer locomotives, but since locomotive length absolutely always includes the tender, they’re the shortest of the “big 4” articulated locos because the VGN had to downside the tender significantly to fit on existing turntables.
@Engine33Truck an FYI as well, although the S1 was at 140', the M1 was 154' and even the 3'6" gauge GMA exceeded the Big Boy length of 132' 3/4" with 137' 8 4/5"
And the Yellowstones have a higher tractive effort
One correction: it's pronounce L-eye-ma like the bean and not Lee-ma like the capital of Peru. Other than that nice video.
Interesting with great content.
Wish Thomas and Edward were in the museum
More of these please
29:08 That crane loco is a New South Wales example, built by Beyer Peacock in 1909, and still in use in 1965 at Newcastle. I think (although can't fully confirm) that they lasted into the 1970s.
As for the Shays, four Standard Gauge Shays were built for the Wolgan Valley Oil Shale Railway at Newnes in the Blue Mountains of NSW (it was a private line) in 1907/1910. They worked well most of the time on the line which had 1 in 25 gradients on sharp curves in several places. Problem was that Standard Gauge Shays are rather heavy, and old second hand ex-NSW government railways bullhead rail was used instead of girder rail, making the locos occasionally spreading the tracks and derailing. Sadly, none were preserved.
The Q1s are gorgeous.
My opinion on Big Boy: There's no replacement for displacement! :3
An engineering museum is not a museum, it’s a mausoleum.
DLM in Switserland even builds brandnew rack and pinion steam locomotives.
They look old but they are actual very high tech and are fueled by bio/natural gas or renewable plant based light fuel oil
Also the 100+ years old paddlewheelers on lake Geneva are reconverted to steampower by DLM
Modern industrial computer monitor cabinets stand in the engine room. f.e. the exhaust gasses and cooling water for the condensors are constantly monitored and adjusted.
Those steampowered trains/ships are much enviromentaly cleaner then Diesel powerd version.
I knew I recognized Steamtown from the Big Boy slide. Beautiful loco, and at one point they had stairs leading into it so you could sit in it and mess with some of the controls
Geared locomotives can climb hills, Shay Heisler, and Climax.
Also price, Johnson, and God knows how many other manufacturers
I've been on the Snowdon railway. It's great
In the Railway series there is a Crane tank that works at he docks but I can remember his name though
Harvey
There wasn’t it was only in the tv show
FYI ToT, regarding geared locomotives, Johnson 16 wheelers had a 2 speed gearbox, very small wheels being excessively restrictive when running light. Although with the exposed gearbox, and running in bush with sticks and rocks etc they did have a tendency to jump out of gear.
The price 16 wheelers had a more normal layout. Both johnson and prices 8 wheelers were more akin to the normal heisler and climax products
I can't hear the music from the Evening Star segment without thinking of... certain online videos...
2:42 so ladas is godred
Yes
Yup
I always thought it would be interesting to have a steam locomotive that had a small nuclear reactor in place of the firebox. It could run for months without needing to be re fuelled and if it was designed right, could be safe and reliable, with no emissions other than steam and spent fuel rods 😊.
Interesting musings perciate the video prime cut hombre. Big Boy hahaha 👑 King of the Steam loco's believe that Pilgrims
Like and scribed excellent info.
The Steam Engine Looks Amazing
Was that Eastward or east wood. East ward makes sense since that's the old transcontinental route. If it's Eastwood, yea that stretch of track ai t called that
25:59 why not just make the smoke stack bend over the boiler and go to the back way past the crew? and you could put fans on the smoke stack to help pull the smoke out
2:45 how did it lost grip when it's geared with the rack rail?
I don't have an answer, but I can speculate at a couple of possibilities: Maybe it derailed (before everything else derailed), or maybe the cog or rack broke. Or -- depending upon how the connection from the cylinders to the cog was done -- maybe the crankshaft connecting the cylinders to the cog broke.
The gear teeth got caught on a stone
The racks on the bottom of the engines don’t have there own brakes there only there to support the engine going up or down the wheels have the brakes
The big boy is not the longest steam locomotive ever built. The big boy, at 133 feet in length, is 7 feet shorter than the PRR S1, which was just over 140 feet in length.
Bigboy 4017 oil burner the horn is something else used it as a mobile phone ring tone woke me up no worrys xd :) luv to see this train thunder pass me but in oz . . .
Gotta get jimme from the cog to explain the cog railways more
While some may question the aesthetic beauty of the Q1’s, their lack of normal fittings, railings, and running boards made their appearance very modern and streamlined…albeit, boxy.
More important was the saving of materials was deemed vital for the war effort as aluminium, steel and other metals were typically reserved for aviation production or other munition work. The majority of the railway and car workshops and factories respectively turned their output to the war effort.
28:46 harvey in real life lol😂
Wil LAMB ette! Where I live! And 4014 is coming here next year! Can't wait!
Some many dad jokes there at the end
That steam locomotive hot air balloon is impossible as an actual steam engine design, at least it looks like it
I think the Allegheny was heavier, coming in at 1,750,000 pounds tender and all
Seems to be so. There's some who speculate the Lima exaggerated the Allegheny's weight (although seemingly oblivious to the obvious question: "why?" Excessive weight isn't necessarily a virtue), however more scholarly research has it that the locomotives were a bit overweight and Lima fudged numbers to make them acceptable for delivery. Railroad civil engineers still have to look after their permanent way.
@@muir8009 and then they got a fat lawsuit that nearly bankrupted them
No, it’s not. Their weight is very close to the Big Boys, albeit slightly smaller.
@@muir8009 no the undersold the weight
@@Train_Tok_Man I think you'll find that they are shorter than the big boy but not smaller.
They're the heaviest reciprocating steam locomotives ever built
9:13 that background song is from The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks. A Nintendo game where you drive a steam locomotive all over the place saving the world from evil.
Google "The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks Music - Town" and it should show up.
I honestly feel like this is a little easter egg for the rare viewer that has played that game.
What is asthmer and replicer?
Big Boy is Not actully the longest engine. The prr S1 was a Bit longer.
You cant talk about cab forward steam locos and not mention the Southern railways 'Leader'.
Can you talk about new zealends railways it also holds the testmint of railways will be built anywhere
Can you have a rewrite of your comment? It's hard to comprehend what you're actually requesting?
@@muir8009 sure, I was saying he should make a video about new zealend railways they also prove that if there's land to cross there will be rail history
Have you heard of the Indian 0-12-0
Uhm. The camel back locos. By Ross Winans. Its not pronounced (win)ans. Its pronounced more like (Y)nans
Ah yes the shay locomotives.
The CUT of their jib".
So, the big boys are the biggest steam locomotives ever built, and the yellowstones are the most powerful steam locomotives ever built?
Neither actually. The big boy is one of the heaviest, which is pretty much it for a big boy.
As far as most powerful there's variances: the most horsepower ever recorded was of course the PRR Q2. Tractive effort is a mixed bag: nominally the Virginian 800's running simple, or the erie or Virginian triplexes, but by far the highest was the Belgium quadruplex. The most as a successful class was the 800's, however they were low speed, tending to run around 6 - 10mph at full throttle.
@@muir8009 Then, the q2s are the most powerful?
Yes, but the power to weight ratio is very disappointing by European standards at less than 30 ihp per ton of locomotive weight.@@AlexThePatriot
rackrails are cheating. well actually we have a narrow gauge train with a mountain top station and no rack in sight. given it goes some circle, back and forth BUT eventually it gets to the summit, multiple times a day
But how steep is the incline?
Yeah the snowdon mountain railway is the steepest in the uk
Amalgamate music for the Frankensteins, eh?
Bro got rhe same accident like godred
Bruh it was based on that event
I know the video is old but it's pronounced E-P-rium
Hi T of T, Bulleid was asked once by another C.M.E, where do you put the key?
It was Stanier. To be fair, he said it in jest rather than mockery, as he otherwise realised that Bullied had a winner there.
Bulleid wanted to build a 2-8-2 design in the same style as the q1, but he couldn't get permission to build it by the ministry of supply. However he got his express passenger merchant navy locomotives by saying it would be a mixed traffic design.
I am sick of receiving "rail transit train trolley ads for Europe".
the Record on the Big boy is just wrong,
it is just the Longest,
the Biggest build Steam engine is held by the
Virginia AE class a 2-10-10-2 so big the had tae remove the cab and cylinders
tae deliver it tae the Virgina Railroad,
The Heaviest is held By the Lima C&O H-8 2-6-6-6 allegheny weighting roughtly about 771,300 pounds,
The strongest is the Pennsy Q-2 at 7,987 cylinder HP (at least static Dyno tested)
and overall the Big boys were mediocre considering the 2-8-8-4 (B&O , DM&I, SP)
the 2-8-8-2 Y6 of the N&W, those were more in Numbers and stronger in transported mass.
big boy was not the biggest steam locomotive built clearly a quick google search can show it’s not 🤦♂️
First 🤑
European rail now is just boring like i get they have a purpose but like us rail atleast has character, i never see anything interesting in europe but if you go on over to the us u got heritage units old scenic railways operating emd f or e units up with their steam program etc etc. europe just boring
0:14 "locomotives can't make it up up a mountain because they are too heavy" .... well there's 31 minutes of video I won't waste my time on.
I guess that also means trucks can't "make it up a mountain because they are too heavy" as well. 14 seconds earns an Early Fail award!!
Nice