Rewilding Brexit Britain: the radical shake-up of Britain’s farming
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- Farmers will get financial incentives for taking measures that protect the soil, the water and tackle climate change under plans being brought in by the government's new Agriculture Bill. (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe)
The bill is being hailed by green groups as a genuine opportunity to change how we manage our countryside, for nature as well as for food.
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Hallelujah, I’ve always preached to my friends our countryside is like a desert to which they look at me bewildered. Thank god this is in the horizon, rewilding is the answer to so many issues, not least climate change.
Absolutely right. Much of it is a complete biodiversity wasteland.
So what? We need food, don't we? Why should we reduce farmers' ability to produce? If we want to rewild, we should have wildlife reserves. The countryside shouldn't have to conform to one, uniform, bureaucratic blueprint.
@@dreamer2260 Which helps us to grow food. Stuff we need to live.
@@izdatsumcp your message contradicts itself and it sounds like you don’t really understand the issue. Confining wildlife to reserves that so far have shown to have no actual protection in law anyway hasn’t worked. Populations of all wild life and most importantly for us pollinators have plummeted. The only way to reverse that trend and to actually do something meaningful when it comes to climate change and biodiversity is doing it on a landscape scale.
This doesn’t mean you can’t grow food, it changes the way we grow that food and the way the land is managed.
@@andy199121 Sure it has worked. People pay to see animals. It's only in places in e.g. Africa where nobody owns the wild animals in a reserve that populations decline. As far as pollinators plummeting, ever head of beekeepers? It's pretty easy for farmers to pay beekeepers to come around and let their bees pollinate crops. It's pretty amazing that you would think farmers would have a problem and wouldn't solve it themselves but would rather need intervention to solve it. You understand little on the topic but are good at thumbing up your own comments so I guess you got that going for you.
A return to common sense,we need to buy more British food and go back to seasonal crops
and grow food at home.I only have a small garden but I grow Lemons,Plums,Apples,rhubarb
and Strawberries.
Why do you want us to be poorer?
@@izdatsumcp do you realise it's our government that drives prices up and makes us poorer? Not the farming in a sustainable way
@@alynziahrrar5933 I'm not for the government, i'm against localism. Localism is the same problem as government subsidising farming: it means less productive land is used for farming. Ultimately, that inefficiency makes us worse off.
@@izdatsumcp so we grow food in south America , by multi national corps , driving small farmers off their land ,send it to china for processing and shipping around the world , instead of people growing in their backyard's
@@outinthesticks1035 We grow food all over the world, crops growing in places where it is more suited for them to grow. This makes us better off.
Here in the Philippines we planted 1 million new trees in a couple of days. If we can do it...you can do it!
Andrew Palmer how many did you plant?
probably Gmelina or some other unsuitable specie and improperly planted
Planting a million trees at once sounds like an ecological disaster. How many different species were they? Were they native and did you plant over grassland? The wrong tree in the wrong place is far worse than no tree.
@@nxxynx5039 not really.
@@nxxynx5039 100% agree. I was just about to write the same. It becomes a forest dustbowl. I live in Norway. The pine forests are quiet, dead and virtually have no ground fauner.
We must have space for biodiversity in our agriculture systems.
No, we can have space for biodiversity in wildlife reserves. Leave farming alone.
We should allow for a space for agriculture systems within our biodiverse country, biodiversity first perhaps
This is fantastic. A green future full of rare butterflies, rich soils and healthy watercourses.
Lots more Birds and wild animals and rarer species, just what the doctor ordered, I am all for it.
Robert Kirk The anti Brexit ideologues are out in force. It’s amusing to watch, but muh Germany...
Yeah it's mad to believe green peace and even the green party fought for this red tape that freed them of among other things ecological independence... 🙄
But I guess that's what shills do and why they only hover around the idea of change... 🤔
Someone once said the best way to beat the opposition is to lead them
😔😔😔
Hopelly wolves and large herbibores too.
Not really. With the agricultural subsidies, you have overproduction of food. With this, you have underproduction.
knepp has shown farming and massive ecological restoration are possible restore carbon save soils and we might just survive
It is wrong to say that in the EU farmers cannot be compensated for environmental care. In Germany such compensations are paid.So this could have done in UK being in EU also.
In the UK farmers can be paid for environmental projects. The problem is under eu law subsidies can only be paid on land capable of being farmed. In England there is no subsidy on food production. Scotland continued with subsidies for beef cows and similar. Not sure what is the current situation
@wasupthere do you understand the cap
@wasupthere you sound crazy 😂
There is certainly an opportunity here to reform agricultural policy and particularly the subsidy system, and what subsidies are awarded for. The EU did introduce environmental measures such as set-aside (remember that?) and grants for creating hedgerows and wildlife corridors. This is not new. But the agricultural lobby is so powerful CAP reform proved difficult. This will be the case in post-Brexit Britain too where there are plenty of agri-Barons with a lot to lose and in general they vote Tory. Many farmers say they don't want to be countryside landscape custodians, they want to grow crops and rear animals for food. It's going to be interesting, but you are going to have to pay much more for your bread, beer and meat if we go back to more 'natural' production methods. Can't have it both ways. People say they are all for this sort of thing when asked but then they go and buy the battery chickens and eggs. Some have no choice because of poverty, others just aren't prepared to pay more.
:: I hope your not going to be another second home owner ruining our villages?
:: enjoy! Where will you be residing?
how big is your brain or did you copypaste from wikipedia?
Once we crack lab grown meat a vast amount of land used for animal grazing can be repurposed and rewilded
@@nou1438 lab grown meat dont substitute conventional meat
We should do what we can to support British farmer's and countryside management.
Yes, take the stolen land back off the greedy pricks.
So how on Earth did the European Commission prevent the Cumbrian farmer from planting trees? Completely bewildering the parallel.
The EU pays subsidies for the output and size of the farm. They bassicly subsidised the loss of sheep farming. Unfortunately sheep love baby trees, it’s a tasty little snack for them, and with farmers needing more room for sheep to earn the subsidies it leaves no room for trees. His points on it could make meat more expensive are valid I believe! So somehow we are going to have to find a balancing act on producing enough affordable food while looking after our environment. And that’s no easy task!!
I’m impartial to leave or remain, I just didn’t want you to think the farmers here are playing a political game here.
Thomas Ward the only thing is that would’ve been easier to push changes in the EU than actually leave it.
Frederick Sanna
I’m not to sure. From my limited understanding EU farming and fishing polices are to primarily to secure supply, not protect the environment. But on the same hand the UK parliament has only said there polices are going to protect the environment, so far they have just copied the EU’s. Change is hard :,(
ec.europa.eu/info/food-farming-fisheries/key-policies/common-agricultural-policy/cap-glance_en
Thank you Thomas Ward you summed it up nicely
Thomas Ward I’ll tell you why the Conservative party pushed Brexit so hard: tax evasion from EU checks. In fact is stupid that the tycoons’ party actually backed a populist initiative. There’s no real reason to leave the EU, even for the people in the eurozone that are experiencing problems with the euro currency. The thing is, not only you cannot point at the head of the EU (there isn’t one, is an hydra-ish organisation), but is much more democratic than every country in Europe, you can even push your laws to the commission through the European Citizens’ Initiative (europa.eu/citizens-initiative/home_en), so with 7 signatures of 7 people from 7 different EU country and a 1 million people of support could’ve push any reform (and it’s relatively easy with internet nowadays) 🤷🏻♂️ Bet you can’t do it in UK, Italy or wherever.
So you will see in the near future all the problem that leaving will cause without a real benefit back in our pockets.
Blames EU for failing British domestic policies.
No you don't listen or understand the cap
@@angrybrit7331 lighten up.
@Jamnittygritty free of the cap through basic global FTA,s and WTO we will have better and cheaper options this isn't difficult to understand!! America plans to make Europe suffer so the UK had to remove itself first 😉
Changing British farming is necessary but other things need to change alongside this project. Food production, food waste, education on eating less or no meat for sustainable foods and highlighting the health benefits for vegan or vegetarian diets. Growing crops to feed cattle etc is an inefficient use of land and resources. So let's reduce demand on animal products and feed ourselves with plants more.
yes. go vegan is my message.
Man can survive on meat, salt and water alone...... but not plants alone...plants are for healing, not energy. Please don't join the NWO Vegan Cult.....it is part of UN Agenda 21/30 and Codex Aliamentarius
that's very true. It is only possible to raise cattle like this because we have intensive animal farming. If we would reduce the amount of cattle to such an amount that every animal could graze like this, we would barely have any lifestock meaning the price for meat would raise so high that only the very rich could buy. That's why we need to start seeing animals as partners in rewilding and restoring the land and not just a product to be (mis)used.
You dont know what you are talking about😂
Rewilding sounds great but don't understand why we need to leave the EU to do it? It's already been done succesfuly on a small scale within the EU (as the report showed) why can't we just scale it up.... what is the EU doing to stop that happenning?
Lol they said the EU was blocking it then said farmers have been doing it for 20 years pmsl
@pinkie perky Surely we were always free to exceed EU standards? What standards do these rewilding measures not meet?
@pinkie perky ok so it seems like you're saying that you don't know the answer to my question, but you think it's because they can only do this rewilding with subsidies from the government which are prohibited by the EU as they give an unfair advantage to these farmers over other EU farmers... but other countries give such subsidies...?
@pinkie perky Well thank God we're getting out of the EU so that we can trade on a level playing field with them! And then any trade deal with the USA will doubtless involve removing that pesky labelling!
I still don't see how some farmers have already taken these rewilding steps, surely the cost would be prohibitive, there must be some other benefits!
And if these steps are necesary for flood control and wildlife preservation then why can they not be funded aside from/despite any farming? How is the EU stopping this (no guesses please!)
The book by Isabella Tree "Rewilding" is a truly inspiring story
In Australia Peter Andrews did something similar. He wrote a book but a 4corners doco (available on CZcams) covers it pretty well. Thanks for the recommendation
Sounds suspiciously like the Common Agriculture Policy first introduced by the EU ...
This is the Tory Government acting like it was them not the EU lol typical
Aspects of the CAP were once sensible - but not in the last 20 years though.
Or the complete opposite. Agricultural subsidies drove us to the wheat and butter mountains and so on, and encouraged the intensive farming that left our landscape the way it is now.
This sounds wonderful. Not only recovering biodiversity and quility of water, but giving and option to the farmers too.
Tax the imports, simple. Importing food that we can produce is unsustainable.
So, you learned nothing about the economics of trade during the last 3 years eh?
@@clowncarqingdao What? You can't just claim silly stuff and top if off with "simple"? Gosh.
Government should be paying farmers to care for new species like beavers, moose, bison and lynx etc
I’m a farmer and am very interested in beavers. The ones between womens legs
This is the very first time I hear of a genuine benefit to brexit. I never thought I would put these words in writing…
They should be encouraging regenerative and biodynamic agriculture as well.
There is one crucial flaw in this video - blaming the current state-of-play on the EU, again. Take a look at Austria, for example. It is defined by a very small scale agriculture overall, compared to the UK, with a much larger number of sustainable, organically producing farms. The result, which the agricultural lobby in the UK as well as consumers weren't willing to support, are higher prices for dairy and meat. Seems there is a lot of room for national decisions after all, if a country actually want to take advantage of it. Hence, it hasn't been "blocked" by the EU but national consumer and producers decision. 🤷♀️
I completely agree. In Austria organic produce has been available in regular supermarkets for decades - it was almost impossible to get any organic produce in South London where I lived in the late 1990s. Food quality is so much worse in the UK than in Austria or Italy, and it will get even worse when they have to allow American products into the country.
Who ever enables the rewilding I back them.
The answer is too get rid of humans! Let Nature take its course. (I am joking)
@@kitemanmusic Let's start by re-wilding urban areas like Luton or Harringay
Simply not true regarding EU restrictions. The Dutch have some wonderful re-wilding projects. However re-wilding and adopting some old farming techniques will help with re-balancing things. Environmentally and ethically speaking.
UK's fishing industry is dead, meat industry to follow. There, I cleared up the title for ya
Crop fields should have trees within them.
Grazing sheep between the trees. Best of both worlds 👍
They get in the way of tractors! Round the (h)edges is okay.
@@IDontWantAHandle101 You've clearly never seen a combine harvester at work.
@@MikeAG333 yea, each sheep makes combine puff a bit of black smoke. Don't stop them tho ,😆
And how much land do you farm? I think I can guess.
Just a question, forgetting all about the EU, how will UK agriculture survive the import of US agriculture products that are produced on massive industrial farms by whatever means. Using growth hormones and relying heavily on preventive use of antibiotics for example. Also it is well known fact that hygiene standards are much lower in the US. All of the above reasons contributing to a huge cost advantage enabling the USA to undercut any UK farmer.
It won't, that's the idea i guess.
They know that anyway UK farmers will be done and trying to justify it by this rewilding thing. Nothing wrong here, if you can import all your food cheaply, you can live surrounded by forest. Same goes to the lumber production.
probably FAR far too late. The pennines, as with most of english land, is well on the ladder toward the Easter Island scenario. It is NOT pretty. So, TREES TREES TREES please, before too late.
The guitarist for Queen (Brian May) has bought land and people have planted 101,000 trees.
@@hensmom6473 good. at least that is something in the right direction. perhaps a lot of other rich folk will follow suit!
@@hensmom6473 the guitarist Brian May might have bought land and planted trees but he doesn't have a clue on farming sustainabily or otherwise. He thinks that it's cruel for a cat to hunt mice. He has no idea on animal welfare farming or rewilding
Climate change is a hoax
@@celticfan3585 my comment is upon the destructive stupidity of humans, not agreeing that the earth crisis is environmental catastrophe due to climate change. Either way, we have left it too late to successfully repair.
Channel 4 being positive about Brexit? What kind of alternative reality is this?
Or as Prof. Patrick Minford has written - there is no place for industry or agriculture in the UK after Brexit.
#ATAD #IndyRef2
Rewild !!!!! Brilliant
so say re milk farmer... farms can produce some milk, that is easilly collected and taken to a central facility to produce in milk products.. working on a smaller scale with diversification... consumers are looking for farm to plate ..
Why have they not done it before ? It’s amazing the spin that’s put on a non existent story. Honda Swindon closing its plant after July with the loss of 3,500 direct jobs and selling the factory. Brexit spin makes out that this is a victory with a £700 million investment in Swindon. People are so gullible !
Love it! Bring it on!
Maybe Brexit could achieve something constructive. Still, I wonder how the Government is going to fund this?
@CHILLIN DILLAN I don't know what room for manoeuvre you think that the UK has got? Please will you explain?
@CHILLIN DILLAN Where is the evidence that the EU is a Nazi master plan?
Mixed farming is traditional method of agriculture that has yielded output of quality food & animal products while preserving soil fertility. Grazing pasture - grass plants - is more efficient at converting CO2 to energy than trees & consume less water. Per hectare grass fields sink more carbon than trees. Grazing animals prune & fertilise grass plants & provide diversity of food & animal products: milk (butter & cheese), meat (rich source of protein, fat & iron), wool, leather & organic fertiliser for crop plants. Creating nature parks at the expense of good arable land is regressive policy. Balance between standard of living & preservation of environment produces better policy than radical environmental extremism. The notion that you can return arable land to a 'wild' state by reintroducing cleared species is specious: there is nothing 'wild' about human intervention in landscape to create new environments.
We can rewild all the factories once they all close down.
Yeh ha ha
“I don’t know the statistics but - 70% of farmers” 😂😂😂😂
Farming is out of date, they waste so much land. Intelligent farming systems is the future. You can grow more in multi tier warehouses than multiple fields.
lol, and how much electric and gas does that use
The main problem is that 67 million humans live in that small island… not a lot of space for the wild…
June 2022 update. All of this just went out of the window as the UK government has put rewilding schemes on hold and announced a return to the policy of maximum food production regardless of environmental damage.
I'm all for re-wilding, on our small farm we have planted over 1,000 trees and reinstated hedges that were pulled out in the 1070s/80s when the government actively paid you to do such things. The thing is though we have to get the balance right, as a country we are one of the most highly populated ones in the world and we need to produce food to sustain ourselves. If we reduce growing cereals and breeding animals to such an extent, then we will have to buy cheap imports from other countries that do not have the stiff regulations we do in this country which is why we have such excellent produce. I like to know where my food has come from.
We need to connect woodland areas with hedgerows, this means animals can move about safely, we need to increase our woodlands too, make wetlands and ponds and areas round them, but we cannot turn the whole country into a nature reserve, as nice as that would be. We need to be able to support ourselves.
A lot of British farmland is marginal agriculture land. You don’t need to pay farmers anything. Economics will sort it out.
Where will our food coming from afterwards ?
We need to be doing this in Canada too. (& most other countries.) We are urban but started planting trees on our properties 7 years ago. The birds, pollinators and even coyotes came back very quickly.
As people are generally cutting down on their meat and dairy consumption, I guess we could re-wild vast areas of the UK and produce all the meat and dairy we want - no need to rely on cheap, low welfare imports?
ahh stop the lights!! How is it that in Ireland, farmers have been doing this for years? It has nothing to do with EU policy but UK policy.
Wrong 😂
More Brexit stories please. I really miss them, they were so interesting.
Sarcasm alert!?
This is very weird because the CAP does reimburse you for environmental protection and most EU country has rewilded quite successfully.
This is all just talk. Blame the EU for our destructive farming over the last 20 years. Only way things will change is when a government stops farmers from grazing sheep on our national parks. Sheep = no biodiversity.
W Holistic Land Managment practices, like the Savory Institute concept, no doubt they could increase production, heal their land AND take in profits.
V hopeful this works out and the US starts to adjust its subsidies too!
Extraordinary lack of balance in this! Has Johnson nobbled C4?!
No, just truth. This one must have slipped through C4's anti-Brexit, pro-EU policy committee!
For arable farming, positive changes (except in pesticide/herbicide changes) to biodiversity are nearly impossible. Pastoral farming is completely different though. Regardless, it's an absolute minefield of a problem and obvious solutions seem abundant until you actually give them some thought. I wish farmers the very best and am more than happy to pay a bit extra for the bread, veg and meat.
Well done that farmer it makes sense for Ennerdale
Farms in New Zealand who have move to sustainable environmentally friendly 'farm to suit the land and climate' coupled with effective herd/s management have found that their financial returns are better that previous farming practices with larger herds/stock.
However, that also implies going back to local and seasonal food and vegetables. Something that the consumerist society of the 1960's has created. I'm all for that, but people will need to adapt and I fear that they won't - it involves being skilled in basic cooking and less reliant on frozen chicken skin snacks.
@@clowncarqingdao exactly, bring in my cheap chlorine chicken
Rewilding? But how will we produce enough food?
We don't produce enough right now. Most is imported. To produce enough to support ourselves, we'd have to turn the whole country into one intensively-run farm.
That lovely stream for the Char would be badly effected if beaver got a chance.
One thing i can guarentee is that the new system will be hopelessly inefficient requiring huge numbers of civil servants. The uk system for giving every cow a trackable passport requires 300 civil servants to operate. In Australia it takes 2. Currently in England 25% of the money set aside for English farmers by the eu is spent on administrative costs
A bit skeptical of some of your figures there Chris. Your claim that 25% of CAP went in administration costs would be around half of DEFRAs entire budget. Baring in mind DEFRA is responsible for much more than just administering the agricultural subsidy policy this seems a very implausible figure. Happy to stand corrected if you have sources to back-up your claims.
Good report but some quibbles. 4:48 Larch is not a native tree, so its regeneration is not rewilding. Tree planting is freqently branded as rewilding, as if trees are impotent. Tree planting often replaces higher biodiversity of less agriculturally improved pasture with ranks of the wrong trees & plastic tubes. Many of them are overstocked or die. Unimproved grasslands are often shaded by inappropriate planted trees (not native to zone) and trees are planted where natural regeneration is already taking place. Unimproved grassland biodiversity is usually maintained by the right level of grazing, often seasonal. Meanwhile globally people elect far right governments (USA, Brasil, Australia, UK, etc.) addicted to GDP, consumption, waste and/or deforestation.
farmers can create collectives... so that they can have region wide access .. so they have more ability to diversify their farms
Good initiative but I doubt it amounts to anything other than green lip service...
I have a good harvest of cobnuts as well as wild hazels this year in the north east of Scotland . We must grow food trees as well!
Lol they years ahead in EU, so not understand what Brexit got to do with this, unless the farmers will have nothing to do?
Anyone know if this is getting done?
Why not sell low and higher quality food and let the consumer decide what to buy. As long as the products are labels so consumers know what they are buying.
Whilst I love our natural spaces, and want to support farmers, are we going to be able to feed our nation without farmland usage? We already import 40% of our food, if they want to really help the environment they would stop immigration and the mass scale house building. I have seen all the natural soaces around my small town be eaten up for housing development, we have far too many people living in this country.
It's worth noting that Chalk Downland habitat harbours some of the greatest biodiversity found in the world, often described as European rainforest. Up to 40 species of plant in a single square metre, which cascade benefits to other fauna. The UK itself has around 50% of the worlds Chalk Grasslands. Since the continuous settlement of humans in the UK, the vast swathes of Chalk Grasslands present for most of this time, were created and maintained as a man-made, waste product of people farming the land extensively with sheep. Sheep were introduced to the UK by humans and their grazing behaviours, as an alpine grazing animal, created an artificial alpine environment for species rich Chalk Downland to occur
Does anyone know the name of the news presenter?
It gives his name at the start of the vid - Alex Thomson.
Well at least when the farms go under, they'll be plenty of land for the developers!
Always thought it strange no tree in this area no wonder it's so cold,plant some apple and olive trees,damson pear anything see what happens,dont say it too cold there I know there are vineyards up there doing very well
We have a vineyard in Yorkshire producing wine!
There was a documentary on Yorkshire vineyard on TV about couple of years ago,they doing ok but not sure of the exact location,a very clever and dedicated couple
To say environmental damage to the countryside is the fault of the EU is a complete lie. Under the present system farmers get millions in environmental payments. The problem has been a light touch enforcement system in Britain.
exactly
an exit from the EU director by the name of von Westenholz - really??? von Bismarck going to be PM anytime soon?
Damn. First good story on actual policy resulting from Brexit.
A policy that could've been enabled without Brexit. FFS.
Mark Brierley exactly
You didn't need to leave the EU to implement such policy... Sorry.
Mark Brierley . Maybe. But at least it’s a positive step. By the way. I’m not a brexiteer, but gotta take the positives when you can.
@@haroon420 "Taking the positives when you can" doesn't mean you should mislead which you are by saying this is "resulting from Brexit". Even if a positive step (which as yet is not sure due to it possibly being wholly counteracted by new trade deals) there is no reason to link it with Brexit. It is a UK government decision that they could have taken whilst part of EU but chose not to. Praise Johnson if you must, but not Brexit which has nothing to do with it.
Paying farmers to be less productive? That wasn't rhetorical
New Zealand farmers stopped having Government subsidies and financial incentives and they survived. How about we do the same.
And the UK and NZ are identical in their workings and structure how??
Great project! Keep up the good work!
The opportunity to enlarge the syphon from the taxpayer to wealthy landowners is not to be missed while simultaneously increasing the profitability of the larger corporations and enabling smaller 'less efficient' operations to be swallowed up.
Why should the UK taxpayer pay farmers to do the right thing for the environment? They are already privileged enough by owning the land! The government should make policy/laws to encourage and ensure environmentally restorative practices; if farmers can't make it work for them (the farmers) financially then they need to sell up or cope with the same level of social support provided to the rest of the people who can't make a proper living. There shouldn't be extra funding available just because you happen to own land.
Ummm. The cap was started by uk.
I would give granta for replanting native trees
its not about how many sheep, its about how long you keep them grazing on the land!
I was sent here from school. I guess we're learning about this now. Huh.
Wasn’t easier push the EU Commission to change the laws instead?
Come to think of it Johnson did not attend the C4 debate on the environment and I hear that he is threatening to close C4 down.
so cheap imports are to be restricted to get the prices up to a level the british farmers can compete at.
but who is going to pay those higher prices?
having a herd of galloway bovines run semi free and making money is not hard, the premium beef will fetch great prices with the lucky few, but feeding the country in that way will prove a lot more difficult.....
I think they spoil these farmers.
All the way from Western Canada it's hard to see what's going on over there, plus too busy to watch this vid just yet. So i just wanna say I pray your farming shake up is in the direction of Regenerative Agriculture, cuz that regenerates soil looong eroded from tilling & monoculture. Plus it works with forest. Rather than mowing them down it would selection log, not highgrading but taking out smaller trees so letting light thru, in places dappled. This would take food towards nutrient density, which is good preventative medicine for humans & wildlife.
Sorry but this rewildering guy is talking nonsens
Sorry but this rewildering guy is talking nonsens
@@J5X7 indeed.
If he is, then you need to explain why. If you choose not to explain why, then you're not convincing anybody.
@@istvanglock7445 Blames EU for failing British domestic policies.
Rewilding has been criticized by animal rights scholars, such as Dale Jamieson, who argues that "most cases of rewilding or reintroducing are likely to involve conflicts between the satisfaction of human preferences and the welfare of nonhuman animals." Erica von Essen and Michael Allen, using Donaldson and Kymlicka’s "political animal categories" framework, assert that wildness standards imposed on animals are arbitrary and "inconsistent with the premise of animal sovereignty". To resolve this, they contend that rewilding needs to shift towards full alignment with mainstream conservation and welcome full sovereignty, or instead take full responsibility for the care of animals who have been reintroduced. Ole Martin Moen argues that rewilding projects should be brought to an end because they unnecessarily increase wild animal suffering and are expensive, and the funds could be better spent elsewhere.
@@oe6feg Aren't PETA the ones that put down any domesticated animals they find? So much for being for the "Ethical Treatment of Animals.
Yes lots of human words don't translate into useful solutions.
Animal reintroduction is about creating diverse complex robust self-sustaining Ecosystems or Biospheres. They're the details to the larger processes at work operating at GLOBAL SCALE.
You're arguing about the nuts and bolts and not looking at the entire house structure and it's function/purpose.
Completely useless.
@@commentarytalk1446 : "Lots of words [..] don't translate into useful solutions"
Also Commentary Talk: "diverse complex robust self-sustaining Ecosystems/Biospheres"
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@@oe6feg Environmental groups of activists are no use for constructive argument. Environmental groups of experts on panels creating policy are very useful.
so it's Blut und Boden Brexit now?
READ THIS! the solution is to nationalise all farm land and properties within national parks like Exmore, Yorkshire dales etc. to give animals there own separate territories so humans and wild animals don't have to have overlapping territories. this will stop farms illegally and legally shooting wild predators and large herbivores like wolves, bears, lynx, bison and elk etc.
Go to Russia if you like Nationalisation
Rewilding needs to be prioritised in the overdeveloped south and midlands rather than the Lakes or the Pennines. Does anyone really want to see the great open moorlands vanish?
You have it completely INVERSE.
The HIGH PRECIPITATION LOW POPULATION DENSITY LOW PRODUCTIVITY = Much higher in:
1. Ecosystem Services (Natural Capital)
2. Much closer to Wilderness RESTORATION (Engineering)
Sheep farming = dying industry based on Subsidies which will go with Brexit. This applies to all the Moorlands.
The open moorlands will RETAIN AND PECOLATE MORE WATER MORE SLOWLY OVER LONGER TIME with DECIDUOUS TEMPERATE RAINFOREST REGENERATION.
This is good for Local CLIMATE STABILIZATION over the British Isles as well.
About time
We need a way to subsidise farmers so they can compete against Australia, USA, South America, without "breaking the rules" if we pay them to help the environment it could be a win win?
Literally has nothing to do with brexit lol. Why mention brexit at all 😅😂🤣
So yet more fiddling around the margins and handing money to landowners rather than taking the serious action needed?
This is why we need a Green New Deal. Preswrving and rebuilding the natural environment should go hand in hand with creating hundreds of thousands of good jobs.
But why do that when we can throw farmers a bone and ask them to be a little nicer to the environment, pretty please?
there is nobody better than farmer to do this
Blame EU for the farming unsustainable policies is absolutely crazy. Who's to pay for all those programs? What nonsense. You are trying to calm farmers on the hard times ahead.
ArcaMarmoric ArcaMarmoric proper Brexit propaganda here
@@e.c.4875 Propaganda? Who cares if Britain leaves? Who cares if the EU disappear? The point is to promise Disneyland and buy it like fools. Wouldn't be great to recover nature paid by the state and farmers becoming the guardians of he paradise? Come on!
@@arcamarmoricarcamarmoric1477 All that will be done....but not for the benefit of the public.
Sounds like a non-admission that marginal farming isn't viable.
@pinkie perky Funny retort. Marginal farming - by definition - is marginal.
So extinct … well doesn't actually mean extinct then?!?
It’s all about the money.
The EU were basically paying British farmers not to farm
The EU dont pay farmers no one pays them we get no funding from anyone