Emirates 777 Mayday Fuel
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- Running out of fuel is always a concern with pilots while we are doing long flights so it is something we pay very close attention to, even though we have multiple backup options this is what it sounds like when you limit your options.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:18 - Minimum Fuel
06:47 - Closer Airports
09:40 - Check the Mayday
13:51 - 9 Mile Final
18:40 - Fire Trucks
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I was on this flight. We were supposed to land in Seattle and it was very stormy/windy, so had to do a go around then diverted to Vancouver without a second landing attempt at SEA (which, I thought at the time, was odd). The pilots (wisely) didn't mention the fuel situation to the passengers. We eventually got to SEA but it was a big mess. I didn't know until quite awhile later that we were almost out of fuel!
P.S. I'm super geeking out that you covered a flight I was actually on!!!
This would have been really helpful info: knowing they had already tried destination and had diverted vancouver for weather + short fuel / mayday fuel. Makes more sense than 'they might not want to admit their mistake and reluctant to call mayday'...just a reality that weather caused a go-around, and a second attempt at the same weather would be possible but would then remove any diversion possibilities away from said weather. Alternates should be within the fuel allowance before having to call mayday.
@@frollard he only said that pilots are sometimes reluctant to call out a mayday at all for that reason. These pilots clearly did call the mayday, and at the beginning he even mentioned that they had to divert from their original destination.
You ain't going know your out of gas until you hit the ground or the ocean
@@contra1124 not going to rewatch but I must have missed... Not just divert but divert after go around. Divert as a first option doesn't make sense to end up low fuel since it's back tracking... If that makes sense. 'we have to divert because short fuel' is different to 'we tried destination and diverted and are now bingo fuel'
I'm really glad you were able to watch Kelsey's video about your flight from the comforts of home and not floating around in a cold ocean because your plane ran out of fuel! Pretty cool actually!
Emirates is the largest operator of 777's in the world. I'm a retired Field Engineer for a company that made, among other things, aircraft fuel gauging systems, but not the one on the 777. The 777 uses an ultrasonic fuel gauging system, and the probes were notorious for faulting, which affects the accuracy of the system, which can cause false low fuel readings. I was working at Emirates and got to know the head of maintenance. He asked me if I knew what was causing the faults (the repair action involved grounding the aircraft, draining the wings, opening the wing up, and replacing the subject probe). I explained what was happening, the probes themselves weren't failing, it was caused by gasses absorbed by the fuel coming out of solution as the aircraft climbs, going from higher air pressure on the ground to lower air pressure at higher altitude, the same thing happens when you open a bottle of soda, and you get a
lot of bubbles, and that their was no way to prevent this. We supplied capacitive gauging systems used on large Airbus aircraft (A340-500/600, A380's and later on the A350) and they were practically problem free. He asked if we would be interested in building a system to replace the system on their 777 fleet. Marketing came back saying it would just too expensive to design and certify, so it never went anywhere. But I do know that the B787 does not have an ultrasonic system because of the 777 issues. Aside from that, the 777 is probably the best commercial aircraft ever built!!!
I like how the communication slowed down and words were clear. These guys handled "Mayday" the way I would want them to if I'm in a passenger seat. The hotter the fire, the cooler mind will win. Every time. Nice work.
Fear is the mind killer and all that jazz.
I love how calm everyone was. These folks are pros, and it shows.
I’m no pilot, but could it be that the situation was not *that* critical? On a beautiful day 30 minutes of fuel sounds like good enough margin, even if you have to go around. Of course the Mayday call is still a good thing because you don’t want to get stuck in a holding pattern and waste those 30 minutes of fuel flying in circles.
@@Mike-oz4cv Depends on the length of the final, descent rate, winds, and whether you have to go-around. If you take 20 min on final and miss the landing because of crosswinds, then you are cutting things rather short.
They better be if it's me riding in the cabin :)
I'm currently learning to fly, and while the small pkane I'm in is a far cry from these big boys, it does give me an appreciation of what the job entails; these pilots are not glorified bus drivers. I thought a lot of the work would be learning to handle the aircraft and fly it, but it turns out that is actually the easy part :)
There is personal pride that motivates pilots to sound calm on the radio. Also it’s just good practice: not being clear and calm causes extra confusion in an already busy situation.
They probably create so much artificial stress in training that when it’s really down to the wire they run on muscle memory, or at least that’s my guess. This pilot specifically struck me as a pro for clearing plan b before he even attempted plan a, but that could just be normal behavior. I’m certainly not a pilot.
I was a very nervous flyer for many, many years. Over time I learned that the thump was just the gear coming up or down, that loud noise was the reverse thrusters, going over the Rockies is always bumpy because of air currents. I watch this channel now so that I understand just that much more about what is going on when I fly. And besides, Kelsey talks in such a way to be calming with a bit of humor, very enjoyable.
Such fears develop when we don't understand things. Its the same reason people are scared of dentists or spiders. Usually people go to these fear of flying seminars, where they get taught some relaxing techniques, which is nice, but doesn't solve the issue. What fearful flyers should do, is what you did - by getting things that actually happen explained.
The more you understand something the less you fear it.
The exact opposite is also true and is why people often fear things they don’t understand or are unfamiliar with.
This channel has been very helpful to me as a nervous flyer. I haven't been on a plane since fall 2019 due to COVID, but I don't feel as rusty and wary of planes as I would be if I didn't have this channel to watch each week.
In an Airbus, you'll hear a lot of strange noises; mostly during taxiing. It's their hydraulic system, it often sounds like a dog barking, sometimes it sounds like the plane is crying, but one time, after we landed, parked at the gate and the engines were spinning down, it sounded like someone was using a giant hacksaw and sawing the cabin in half. I think it was an A319.
@@LS-Moto that’s not always true. I loved flying and made a career in aviation as a flight test engineer and avionics designer. Then I was flying a lot in the late 80’s early 90’s when a lot of accidents were happening. I understood almost all of aviation and I still got nervous. Still do
"Who brings all those cell phones across the ocean? I do!!" 😂 Kelsey is the 'grown up's' Santa! HAHA! Have a great week everyone!
Are you implying that Santa's middle name might be Kelsey? 🤔
@@reiyasombaz5056 😂
He's too skinny and small to be Santa... He could definitely pull off a pointy festive hat and matching shoes with bells on the ends though, so maybe an elf?
@@Rekuzan …OR is he SUCH the opposite that possibly Santa is playing 3D chess on us and disguising himself (holographically of course) as the least likely possibility?
if you have a 747 passenger plane than you could also have a ton of cell phones on the plane.😮
I'm not even a pilot and I love your videos. So many other industries can benefit from aviation's hard-learned lessons...
I can’t imagine how hard and exhausting it is to be a pilot and made videos every week. You are honestly doing amazing, and you are making the lives of almost a million people better. 👍👏
you do get a good 5 day weekend so that helps
As a non-English speaker I really appreciate your explanations. These videos help to understand what's going on and how to avoid possible mistakes when you're planning to become a pilot.
Thank you for your work and greetings from Ukraine :)
WOW, so many comments! Thank you, everyone!!
So true!
slava Ukraini
You're writing English better than most Americans on CZcams. 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
Your English is better than some native speakers! Stay safe!
Why do folks get all soppy when someone mentions they are from the "U word", Your corrupt leader is as big an actor as ours in the uk and murica, the people need rid of the warmongers in governments. Top marks for your writing though.
The one time I saw fire trucks outside my plane, they were there for a water salute. It was our captain's last flight before retirement and, not gonna lie, was pretty cool.
That’s awesome
Running on empty takes a whole new meaning when you're on an airplane. I'm glad it all worked out.
Even more so in a helicopter
@@BrentLobegeier You get that they don't just fall out of the air when the engine stops right?
First guess I think I'd rather be in the helicopter.
@@stusue9733 autorotation lasts a lot less than gliding and requires more skillful execution. Would still rather be in something that's designed to glide regardless.
@@BrentLobegeier yeah but, you need a lot less space. Not to many places you are going to put down a 737 that don't have airport at the end of their name.
Can we please get our man Kelsey his gold play button? He truly deserves it
he has those gold wings why would he need a gold button 😁
he needs a Collection@@1BigBen
I recently met Kelsey at MIA Marriott. It was a pleasure to meet him. Made my day.
This reminded me of Avianca 052 in 1990 which ran out of fuel and crashed on Long Island trying to land at JFK after many weather-related holds and a go-around at JFK. There was definitely poor communication in that incident, which claimed 73 lives, but 85 survived the crash.
That is why the rules are in place that required this mayday call. The flight crew was already on the approach and knew safe landing was assured, but it had to be said so everyone knows the situation. Before Avianca 052 there was no need to tell anyone.
Lamia flight 2933, that’s the one that killed the entire Brazilian soccer team. Only difference is the pilots of 2933 purposely declared a mayday too late.
Slava Urkraine
The Avianca pilots did not declare a Mayday Mayday Mayday fuel to air traffic control. They said that they were low on fuel and to make them a priority to land.
@@sharmilasoomair568 As I understand it, that was a part of the language barrier. When the pilots said "priority" their mindset was what we mean with mayday. The controller didn't use "priority" as "mayday".
Emirates is my favorite airline recently, their professionalism really shows in everything they do. I'll gladly ride with them as often as I can. I often make the DXB stop just to use Emirates airlines even if it adds a few hours to my trip, the experience is worth it IMHO.
I love Kelsey. He is the most informative captain concerning emergency situations that I have ever listened to.
So in the event of raining iPhones we all know Kelsey forgot to lock his cargo bay door.
🤣🤣🤣🛫
Yep 😂
Aged 14, my dad asked me if I'd like to fly to Helsinki and back with him for the day from London Gatwick (he was captain on a DAS Air Cargo Boeing 707 freighter)? What was on the load sheet for the return leg? Full load of Hydrochloric acid and Sulphuric Acid. It was a good trip, and we parked up next to a C5 Galaxy at Helsinki. I'm pretty sure the landing at Gatwick was extra smooth.
Or there's a hole in his plane floor.
I hope they are in LifeProof cases
The pilots and controllers both did a terrific job here. Very professional. Great video, Kelsey.
You showing us nervous flyers that there is always a plan even in the worst case scenario comforts me so much, thanks!!
You are AWESOME in educating average people like myself about air travel and emergencies. I deeply appreciate that as an infrequent but nervous flier! 🙂
My sister is a nervous flyer. She brings along a squish ball and her laptop to keep her mind off of it. She also refuses to sit at the window. I'm curious, what do you do to help you with your nerves?
@@electricheartpony I’m not a wussy who is scared of planes
@@Random_Eebs but, John is.
@@electricheartpony i use noise cancelling earphones on the flight with loud music and beforehand this channel haha
I am a non-english speaker too. Your videos are helping me understanding intentions of both parties ; I consider your walking us though the scene of (dis)stress and focusing on being pragmatic helpful in getting social karma. Kudos.
Uh your English is perfect.
Excellent video. As a GA pilot today and previous military pilot, the distinction between min fuel and emergency fuel is really important. Pride should never keep you from declaring an emergency for low fuel. Getting on the ground when your engine(s) are still running is most important. We have too many GA aircraft that crash because they run out of fuel. Sad and totally preventable.
Yes.
Unfortunately many recently rated commercial pilots don't know this interaction with the controllers.
And should prepare for unexpected higher head winds.
I used to read that as ‘Georgia pilot’ and wondered why the small plane pilots from Georgia were so chatty online.
Avianca 052 taught us the dangers of not being emphatic enough about the fuel situation.
Your terminology when describing a particular situation is great. When watching your videos with others that are not a pilot or as experienced in aviation I dont have to pause the video and explain what is that is happening. This is why your my favorite youtube creator. Thank you!
This man cures fears of flying. I used to be fine with flying as a child, but as I got older and fully understood flight risks; 9/11 in America for instance. I've been finding it unpleasant and anxiety producing at the mere thought of airports, never mind airplanes. Knowing what happens on flights and how pilots like Kelsey are trained, it helps a bit with flight anxiety. 💯
Kelsey, one of your finest videos, both in content and clarity. Thank you for your time and effort. Fly high and safe. 💕✈️❤️
Shoutout to ATX!
I was on a smaller plane - an Embraer or something - on a flight from Dulles to Toronto when the fire alarm in the cargo hold went off while we were in cruise. We were on the ground in Buffalo -- with the chase trucks -- in about 10 minutes flat. It was amazing how fast they got us down (and the descent was a little scary as a result). Turned out it wasn't a fire, it was some sort of leaking liquid in a suitcase that was evaporating, and that set off the sensor. Couldn't take off, though, because they had discharged the suppression system and the hold had to be cleaned and the suppression system recharged first. Took a cab of all things to Toronto.
The amount of things pilots must do to get safely on the ground is mind-boggling! I have a great respect for pilots. I'm a little bit nervous flying but I love it! I have traveled on many types of planes... 727...737...757...747 and A330. I love the feel of the bigger airplanes...it is always so thrilling to take off and land on planes.
is that
in planes
or on runways
Mayday got its start as an international distress call in 1923. It was made official in 1948. It was the idea of Frederick Mockford, who was a senior radio officer at Croydon Airport in London. He came up with the idea for “mayday" because it sounded like the French word m'aider, which means “help me."
any idea who came up with code brown?
@@ghostwriter720 It is similar to "Mayday". It means we are crapping our pants and this is an emergency. You're welcome.
@@tomperkins5657 I know what it means, I was curious about who came up with it and how it became a universal code that is recognized worldwide
Wow, good timing today. Found my way to the video five seconds after it was posted. This is appointment viewing for me every week! Always look forward to meeting you here, Kelsey.
I'm a frequent flyer and I love to fly. Kelsey does a great job explaining details. THANK YOU, Kelsey!!!
I live very near to London Stansted Airport and we have a regular Emirates service in and out to Dubai. It uses a 777 and it really is such a highlight seeing that beautiful graceful bird on finals over my garden. Its usually at between 2500-3000 feet unless it's gone missed then you get a really nice close up at around 1200 feet or so.
The thought of having to rush one of these great big things down onto the ground really does take some imagination for us armchair pilots.
The Triple Seven is no 747 but she's certainly a beautiful lady, that's for sure.
I've been an avionics tech in the US Navy for 8 years. Funnily enough, I'm also terrified of flying in general, to the point where I often physically shake from anxiety, especially during takeoff and landing.
That's despite knowing a lot more than the general public about how avionics systems work, particularly with each other. These videos really ease my mind. It's very reassuring to get a better idea of exactly how many failsafes are in place in civilian aircraft. I've worked in quality assurance roles, and while deployed have been told to sign off on maintenance actions that could have had extremely dangerous consequences. I'm a person that is quite conflict adverse, and have been tempted to cave in while getting yelled at by far higher ranking folks threatening to pull my qualifications (as an E-5+, you won't advance in rank if this happens to you most of the time). It's good to know that outside of the nonsense I've seen, civilian side seems to follow general common sense.
Sad to hear of the pressure and consequences.
I have a relative who now works a very similar job to Kelsey, but was previously a Navy pilot. Good to know there are support crews who value their work, even over pressures to value your job over your work.
(Hopefully that made sense.
I’m curious if you are familiar with the last flight of Lt ‘Abrek’ Zilberman?
Love how far this channel has come! Kelsey, you’re doing amazing work thank you! It’s so good to have educational content like this for free. Much appreciated!
Great video Kelsey, this could be used for refresher training with aircrews and ATC. You explain things clearly that happen on both sides of the Frequency in a way that everyone can learn from. Thanks. I wish you were around when I was an ATC Training Administrator, my job would have been much easier.
Always love seeing professional people be professionals.
Thank you for explaining everything in regular people terms. Good to know that Emirates has excellent training of their pilots.
I always enjoy Kelsey's videos every week! He makes each video so interesting and informative even for
the fact I don't know much about aviation, but learning different things!
Kudos to the controller for accepting fuel on board in hours/minutes and not asking "How many kilograms (pounds) of fuel?". Too often one hears a controller come back asking the already overtasked pilots to convert the value given: time to weight or weight to time. The time to weight is at the request of the fire department so they can determine their "pucker factor" and the later is so the controller can ascertain his or her "pucker factor". Then there are controllers who ask for fuel in liters or gallons...
Should be standardized.
Fuel in weight is relevant to tell the first responders what they might be up against if there’s a fire. Fuel in time is relevant to controllers making sure they don’t keep the plane in the sky until it runs out of fuel (especially relevant in a fuel emergency). So there’s different reasons they ask for each
@@juliusreiner5733 I believe that is what I explained...
@Zhang ShiYing The proper usage of the English language is doomed for sure. Beyond that I will not speculate....
I always give my fuel state in time. Actually minutes if I’m in a hurry. If I have 24,000 lbs of fuel, I have 240 minutes. Easy for me to figure out, and easy for the controller to understand. He can figure that it is four hours.
🤓 Another great video, Kelsey, thank you! An ADDITIONAL reason for stating the MAYDAY frequently is to alert other aircraft in the area of the ongoing situation. Very important, especially when changing frequencies. 👌
This is a great scenario based video. I was just hired on as dispatcher for a major carrier and this is great training material. Thank you very much.
I’ve had instructors always say this, “plan for the worst, hope for the best.” And in the cases of whether or not to declare an emergency, I had an old timer tell me something that always stuck with me, “better to be judged by twelve than carried by six.” Basically, so long as you are alive at the end, no matter what the judgement of your decision comes out too in the eyes of the FAA, you’re alive and kicking. I also loved how clear and console the Emirates pilots were. Super stuff!
He just got through an entire video without mentioning snacks. I’m shocked.
Now I'm worried, I hope he's not sick!
He spoke about the cell phones
🤣
@@unnamedchannel1237 Are you trying to tell us he eats cellphones?
Your comment about using precise language and a mayday call is so spot-on. Compare this to what happened on Avianca Flight 052; the 707 was running out of fuel while trying to land at JFK in poor conditions. The crew were hesitant to make a mayday call and ATC didn't grasp the gravity of their situation until it was too late. All four engines flamed out short of the airport and 73 people perished as a result.
This is so cool. I think your videos are honestly the best ones out there. I love your calm way of explaining everything and the fact that you are not trying to sell me something every 7 minutes!!
Excellent presentation. As a retired 747 pilot I am well impressed
Funfact: there are more people speaking English in China than in the US.
I want to agree with everyone else giving you compliments @74 Gear. Your presentation style and content make CZcams that positive and valuable experience. Thank you.
Thumbs up 👍 to the controller and the super calm and collaborative crew!
Thank you Kelsey, I am fascinated by all types of flying and your videos are so entertaining and educational as well, as a driving instructor I have picked up a coupke of good sayings from you that work with drivers as well, probably sounds a bit daft, but true.
Only just discovered your channel and am hooked!
Well done mate. 😎
Great analysis and explanation of this situation, Kelsey!! Thoroughly enjoy your work!! Thanks for taking the time to explain different situations and how they are handled. Bravo!! -- and kudos to ATC and the Emirates pilots!! 💕✈✈💕
love the detailed breakdown, which gives us viewers basic fundamentals and understanding of the communication between pilots and atcs.
I flew as air-medical crew on aeromedical flights in the south pacific for a number of years. Had a few pucker up moments where my patient's condition sink rate was quicker than the aircraft - I only ever instructed the pilot to declare a medical emergency once, but it sure got us onto the tarmac quick (we ran out of oxygen for the patient just as we touched down).
Fantastic video. I was a C-130 pilot. Really appreciated the explanations. I had not thought about some of the emergency actions/responses before. Thanks mate.
The pilots and controllers all seem very competent. Lovely to see.
Love your channel, thank you. Had an engine failure/turned out to be a low side governor failure at 1,200 feet AGL in South Korea in a UH1. Single pilot with a crew chief in the left seat 50 miles from the closest airfield. Went to guard, started the MayDay call and remembered thinking this is not going to help me….went back to working the problem. N1 was below 70% and falling which indicated an engine failure as opposed to low side governor failure. Landing area was small climbing tiered rice paddies. My cynical attitude probably saved me from an accident. I threw the emergency governor switch into emergency anyway….thinking If I rolled it over the accident board would at least say “the pilot tried everything”. As you know the accident board will find something you did wrong. Right in the flare the engine came screaming back…I had left the throttle in the full open position….did not expect it to be a low side governor failure. Safe power on landing…wrote up the engine and rotor overspeed and called it a good day. We had several governor failures in UH1s that year. Crash in Germany killed 6 (memory?). The Army had a new vendor that was overhauling the fuel controls. A ¼ inch brass bushing failed and blocked a port in the fuel control. The Army changed the UH1 emergency procedures to include putting the governor switch in emergency on all engine failures. I have always said “The UH1 is like your mama. She will forgive you even when you do not deserve it”.
Great job as always.
Learned something new that you add all the steady state and half the gust. We were taught (in general aviation) to add only half the gust to the approach speed.
Thanks again!
This was a really good video. I was wondering why it sounded familiar and I just realized this came through as a short on another YT page in my feed. Thanks Kelsey for going into detail about what happened!
Superbly informative as always Kelsey. Your expert explanations of everyday situations are music to the ears of folks like me who hate flying. 👏👏👏
Such a great video as usual! This one is also going to be played in ground schools all over the world Im sure! That Emirates pilot radio work was so clear and articulate and totally professional. Recall that hes in a giant tube with 300+ people in the back and 30 mins or less fuel onboard. Just reading that induces nervousness in me. Yet this guy is cool as a cucumber - hallmark of a pro! Thanks Kelsey for your awesome videos!
Best and only explanation of the difference between minimum and mayday fuel.
Thanks for sharing.
Love these demonstrations of big-team teamwork in tricky situations. 😀👍
... and Kelsey you’ll need to start planning your million subscriber celebration soon ... plan ahead!
JUST NOTICED THAT. Only 43K more…..
Having this kind of 1st hand explanation and insight is so cool thank you
Pleasure to watch you dissecting and slicing up these videos in the most professional and fun way!
I agree on Emirates being very rigorous in their training, I was lucky to have worked for them as ground staff for 5 years in the UK, and was lucky enough to tour the world with them... One of the BEST airlines out there and one of my best career chapterI had...
I'm watching Kelsey on something he brought from overseas. Thank you, Kelsey.
Thanks Kelsey. I find your videos informative and educational. Well done!
Brilliant. Excellent explanations. All the way through. Kelsey is the man.
Love listening to your assessments of these situations.
Man those Emirates pilots were really awesome. Cool to listen to.
Great walk-thru. Thank you for showing us this.
Great video as always! I have been watching your videos for the past couple of years ( more out of interest since my work is not related at all to aviation) and I really love your clear and informative style. You mention the pilots’ increased workload when they are getting ready to land and similar when they go for a go-around (and sometimes forget to put the gear up fo a while ) . I would be interested to see, if possible, some video of what the pilots need to do at these times.
ATC: “Do you need to land immediately?”
Pilot: “Nah, we can land tomorrow.”
🤣😂 ✈️
Correct me if wrong but I think the main reason they ask "souls on board" is to include the crew. If they asked how many people on board, a common interpretation of that question is "how many passengers are you carrying?" And thus wouldn't include the flight crew. But it's a good point that planes sometimes carry the deceased and that could interfere with the investigation in the event of a crash.
Souls includes lap infants as well who are not ticketed pax or crew.
Regards 777 Mayday Fuel... you broke the conversation apart so well that you scared me. One extra sentence by the controller, "And Emirates 229, are you in need of immediate landing?" and you pointed out it was unnecessary? Which it was. I thought it was5 or 6 seconds more than he needed to say, and that's a problem? But it's compounded by the need for the pilot to respond, and it just aggravates the situation when everyone is occupied. I really do respect you. When you can do this kind of dissection, on what seems to be an innocuous conversation, you get my vote.. for what it's worth.
74 Gear - Thanks for the great background on this!! Always learn something interesting from your solid explanations!!
Reminds me of the Avianca52 crash back in 1990. There was a push to blame the air traffic controllers at NY Center for not passing on his fuel status to approach control. However, when the audio tapes were replayed, not once did the flight crew say Mayday, Pan Pan or Emergency. They never even declared minimum fuel, just said they were low on fuel and couldn't hold any longer. The aircraft was handed over to NY Approach who lined them up for the approach for JFK 22L which, subsequently the flight aborted and performed a missed approach. NY Approach asked if the flight could take a vector for a 20 mile final, the flight crew responded affirmative. The flight crashed as the plane ran out of fuel as they just lined up again 20 miles out from the runway.
If it's the one that I'm thinking of, the F/O kept saying "priority" instead of Mayday. The F/O was the only who knew some English.
So while the “do you need to land immediately” question caused confusion, I can also see the logic of asking first if an info dump is needed before starting to list available alternates. Would it perhaps have been better if the question was specifically “Do you need closest airport?” rather than just “land immediately”?
The only comment I would make re the comms was the word 'Fuel' when ATC request fuel and souls on board.. I've heard this on a couple of occasions during my career and heard the pilots come back with something like 2500 kilos.. what the controller needs to ask is 'Fuel Endurance?' Time not qty is what's needed. The pilot on the radio has a British accent which would explain the Wilco.. that's what we use.. goes back a long way in time.
While operating in Afghanistan, flying into Bastion, where British controllers were in charge of ops I got to use the term 'Angels 15' or whatever.. made me feel like I was flying a Spitfire.. wonderful :>)
What a perfect video. Have always loved flying Emirates. The pilot was spot on professional.
Former UPS employee. We had a 747 go down due to lithium batteries.
From what I can tell, that crash led the FAA to restrict carrying of lithium batteries in bulk on pax flights.
So sad. The Flight Channel did a great re-creation of this a year or so ago.
I was on a plane that 'dropped out of the sky' onto the runway. We'd had a tail wind almost all the way home and were ahead of schedule. We had to hold on the runway while a couple of trucks made a tour around us before we could wander off to find a gate. They never said what had happened but announced there would be officials from the airline waiting in the terminal if anyone want to talk to them... LOL, I was tired and just want to get through customs and go home.
I like that they are talking at a regular speaking speed. unlike often when controllers speak at the speed of light!
As to Emirates, I second Kelsey's opinion of their pilots. Most of them are British, and British pilots are typically top notch.
Emirates went so far as to build an "English village" In Dubai so that their British pilots would feel more at home, and that is where most of them have their apartments. It is very well done, I've been there and if it weren't 45 degrees C out, you would swear you were in Nottingham or some place like that.
Wow, those were the nicest ATC I've ever heard at YVR; was there a new generation of staff? Very nice cooperation between the ground and the plane. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
About 25 years ago I travelled from San Francisco to Heathrow on a Virgin 777. As we approached London I noticed that communication between between cockpit and ATC was on one of the headphone channels. If a mayday had been declared I would have freaked out.
Virgin was operating the 777
25 years ago....I'm getting old.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 I don't think Virgin Atlantic did - must have been BA or AA?
@@iaexo hmm. This made me think a bit. I know I'm right with the date because it was a few weeks after the death of Diana (a big talking point over there at the time). Looking it up, it seems I may have been on one of the earlier flights of their one year lease of a 767. However, I did fly AA on that trip but I'm almost certain that was NY to SF. Could be mistaken though.
@@stegra5960 I should have looked at the rest of the comments after I saw the reply. I just checked and Virgin Atlantic has never operated the 777.
I absolutely love your channel. Please continue In some way. You are very entertaining and I never get enough aviation stories. I almost exclusively watch programs like yours and any NTSB investigation! I love aviation and have flown gaa Keep up the good work
Cool, calm and collective. Professionals at work
Hey Kelsey! Love your videos really hope you respond! I got to fly on a Lufthansa 747-400 in July of this year from Frankfurt to Mumbai ❤️❤️
Kelsey discusses Emergency procedures with the rest of the 747 crew - So everyone has their parachutes now who wants to push the life raft out ( stocked with Kelseys favorite snacks )!
Great video - I really enjoy these! Kelsey is so good at seeing everyone’s point of view, he has the ideal temperament. I love his hazmat explanation - “it can’t go over the Atlantic on a passenger plane, but we’ll put it on Kelsey’s. It doesn’t matter if we lose him.” 😂
Kelsey, thanks for sharing this clip. I had the honour to be a pax on EK229 on a much better Fall weather day in October. The sweetest crew then got back to my love note sent post flight.
I remember the UPS plane that went down due to batteries and that is one of the causes for delay when you buy something that has battery on it. It happened in UAE
That UPS crash was a miracle it did not kill anybody on the ground as it overflew the airport and then a busy residential area and crashed into a quiet military area. If it would have flown 1 minute longer it would have crashed into another residential area where I live. The pilots unfortunately had no chance to properly land and did perish. Extremely sad.
Hey kelsey, loving the atc series. I'm a private pilot from southern Brazil, and in my city theres been reports during 5 consecutive nights of strange lights at around fl400 and sometimes moving faster than the jets. All the atc has been recorded, i would love to see your take on it. I could translate it for you 🤟🏼
Caralho, que doidera… tem algum vídeo falando sobre isso?
Amazing content, Kelsey. Videos like this one are gold.
I just landed in my hometown of Victoria yesterday from Toronto so it's cool to finally see my hometown on your channel Kelsey, keep up the great work!
Hi Kelsey. I was curious to know if you guys have cameras back in the cargo areas of the plane so you (or someone) can monitor the cargo throughout the flight and landing and all that?
Can you make a vid about landing procedures like rnav, ils, vor etc.
A friend of mine is an air traffic controller for the Atlanta FIR. He loves working with Emirates because of their extremely rigorous training and clear, concise diction.
Great presentation skills. One of the most genuine and explanatory on the tube. Wouldn't surprise me to see you getting picked up by one of the production houses for an Air Crash Investigators type program
Thanks for pointing out all of those details. That was very interesting. I wonder how the pilots handled the communication with the passengers?
I'm only taking an educated guess here but I believe they would inform the cabin crew. Then the cabin crew would make the appropriate announcements to the passengers.
Gonna be interesting to see if Kelsey covers the B-17/P-63 Mid-Air.
He's never done any crash content nor any loss of life content. I don't know why he would start now.
@@johnpollard4158 well Mentour Pilot used the be that way as well but now that’s MOSTLY what he does.
The other pilot CZcamsrs I follow seem to be reluctant to talk about that accident. Even Dan Gryder said he wants to "stand down" on that until more information is released. I don't blame Kelsey for not doing a video on it.