@@225degrees Its simple. I have plenty of power available, yet I'm settling!,...why? Because I've entered the Vortex Ring State. Hence Settling "WITH" Power. "Over-pitching" isn't Settling "with" Power, because the reason you are "settling" is that you have topped out and thus have no power left! No available power, not "with" power! Now this thing you guys in Canada have where you basically apply the brakes too late and thus end up with a hard landing despite having plenty of power available and not having entered the Vortex Ring State? Well,...that's just crazy! If anything I'd call that, "failure to control speed", or,...sloppy flying!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot - VRS is an aerodynamic condition of the main rotor disc. SWP is as you correctly pointed out, often the result of poor piloting. Here's the difference between the two. VRS requires 3 things. low forward airspeed(approx 30kts or less than ETL) a high rate of descent(400-800FPM) and SOME power applied. If no power is applied you are in autorotation and the vorticies are generated above the disc not below it. The power applied when entering VRS is usually quite low. SWP can occur if you are at high altitude, high gross weight and make a steep approach to a landing site. Lots of weight and thin air means less lift, less "bite" in the air. This condition if left unchecked(that is continuing with the high angle approach) can lead to topping out on power and continuing to settle, thus SETTLING WITH POWER. Now you don't have to be using max power to experience SWP. Getting to the top of the torque band is the result of not noticing that your particular conditions are ripe for SWP and continuing the approach. Left unchecked it can result in you entering VRS if your descent rate hits the sweet spot(and you have the altitude to get there) and your airspeed is low enough. SWP can also lead to over pitching which then can lead to Rrpm decay which leads to over coning, which leads to a reduced disc which equals much reduced lift. Which results in a bad day... High altitude, hot air, high gross weight, steep approaches, fast/hot approaches, tail wind approaches, or combinations of the above can lead to SWP. Much like VRS the corrective action is to increase airpseed and fly away(or out of your vorticies ). Doing proper power checks prior to landing, being aware of the performance specs of the aircraft(and staying within them), being aware of the wind and weather(temp) conditions at the landing site and recognizing anything out of the ordinary during the power check or approach, are key to staying out of SWP.
There was a schweizer in the background - in the parking lot. Now that parts and new schweizers are being manufactured will you guys ever fly the schweizer again?
Great video! I have a question though, in which situations should you fly wearing a helmet instead of headphones and when should you go for headphones over helmet???
Great video about an important phenomenon. I have an unrelated question... What is the function of the red lever hand control that is attached to the forward aspect of the cyclic? It looks like a bicycle brake lever and I have seen them on numerous helicopter models.
Source flight training books/manuals. The one below is top notch and will give you plenty of information to chew on and digest. www.amazon.ca/Principles-Helicopter-Flight-W-J-Wagtendonk/dp/1560276495
Settling with power is essentially just losing altitude regardless of how much power you apply. It could be because you didn't do any power checks and you're trying to land at too great a density altitude; it could be because you've been flying R22s alone for a while and you come in too hot while landing a fully loaded R44 with 3 passengers and don't have the power to slow down (which has killed quite a few people); or it could be the initial stages of descending into your own downwash. Vortex ring state starts out as settling with power, but if uncorrected turns into a whole different can of worms. Do a CZcams search for "Vuichard Vortex Ring State". It's not nice even while training to pull an R22 into a hover at 4000' and deliberately induce vortex ring state. Pulling full power and seeing the VSI maxed at -2000fpm kinda makes your eyes bug out.
You said slow down “more forward cyclic, raise the collective”. Am I confused? Seems that would increase airspeed while trying to maintain altitude rather than continue decent and slow down.
Rick Kennerly ya I noticed that too. Mischa you started to explain it then didn’t finish lol. There is actually another video long ago where this is explained with the LEGO chopper
Super instructor! Always calm and communicative
Got to be one of the best places to learn to fly. Beautiful. I'm tempted to come there.
You are a great instructor.
Another great video from one of the few pilots I've seen that knows that settling with power and vortex ring state are not the same thing.
YES!!!! Rather disturbing how many pilots believe that SWP and VRS are the same thing.... THEY ARE DIFFERENT!
Funny, I'm actually fascinated by the number of people on the internet who think they are separate!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot By all means, explain how they're the same.
@@225degrees Its simple. I have plenty of power available, yet I'm settling!,...why? Because I've entered the Vortex Ring State. Hence Settling "WITH" Power.
"Over-pitching" isn't Settling "with" Power, because the reason you are "settling" is that you have topped out and thus have no power left! No available power, not "with" power!
Now this thing you guys in Canada have where you basically apply the brakes too late and thus end up with a hard landing despite having plenty of power available and not having entered the Vortex Ring State? Well,...that's just crazy! If anything I'd call that, "failure to control speed", or,...sloppy flying!
@@lookingforwookiecopilot - VRS is an aerodynamic condition of the main rotor disc. SWP is as you correctly pointed out, often the result of poor piloting. Here's the difference between the two.
VRS requires 3 things. low forward airspeed(approx 30kts or less than ETL) a high rate of descent(400-800FPM) and SOME power applied. If no power is applied you are in autorotation and the vorticies are generated above the disc not below it. The power applied when entering VRS is usually quite low.
SWP can occur if you are at high altitude, high gross weight and make a steep approach to a landing site. Lots of weight and thin air means less lift, less "bite" in the air. This condition if left unchecked(that is continuing with the high angle approach) can lead to topping out on power and continuing to settle, thus SETTLING WITH POWER.
Now you don't have to be using max power to experience SWP. Getting to the top of the torque band is the result of not noticing that your particular conditions are ripe for SWP and continuing the approach. Left unchecked it can result in you entering VRS if your descent rate hits the sweet spot(and you have the altitude to get there) and your airspeed is low enough. SWP can also lead to over pitching which then can lead to Rrpm decay which leads to over coning, which leads to a reduced disc which equals much reduced lift. Which results in a bad day...
High altitude, hot air, high gross weight, steep approaches, fast/hot approaches, tail wind approaches, or combinations of the above can lead to SWP. Much like VRS the corrective action is to increase airpseed and fly away(or out of your vorticies ).
Doing proper power checks prior to landing, being aware of the performance specs of the aircraft(and staying within them), being aware of the wind and weather(temp) conditions at the landing site and recognizing anything out of the ordinary during the power check or approach, are key to staying out of SWP.
Thor from Iceland, living in Germany? Sounds epic, should make a movie about him :D
Awesome buddy hope you are well. Brilliant flight and beautiful weather for you. You do a brilliant job buddy. Would love to learn with you phil. 🤘👍
His 2nd approach was far better! Great job guys!
Summer and winter the views are always great.
Chopper Squad Im so jealous!!!
Great video. Thank you both!
More this type of content, please
There was a schweizer in the background - in the parking lot. Now that parts and new schweizers are being manufactured will you guys ever fly the schweizer again?
Super video congratulations on all you birds and the lack of space.......hint...hint. Any Silver State Students out there?
Great video bud ✊
Cant wait till I can do my conversion!
Great
Great video! I have a question though, in which situations should you fly wearing a helmet instead of headphones and when should you go for headphones over helmet???
PD....You just have to comply with the acrobatic...🙂😎😊..then you are the perfect one at all.
"This hangar is getting a little bit full..." full of helicopters none the less. That is totally a problem I wish I had :D
Gorgeous playground. :))
Great video about an important phenomenon.
I have an unrelated question... What is the function of the red lever hand control that is attached to the forward aspect of the cyclic? It looks like a bicycle brake lever and I have seen them on numerous helicopter models.
Brian Fitzgerald it’s the mechanical cargo hook release. There is an electric button up top but the mechanical is the backup.
Thanks, Mischa!!
The Cabri G2 looks infinitely nicer than R22!
Whats the best way to start gaining knowledge before in rolling in school ???
Source flight training books/manuals. The one below is top notch and will give you plenty of information to chew on and digest.
www.amazon.ca/Principles-Helicopter-Flight-W-J-Wagtendonk/dp/1560276495
Do you personally own a helicopter? Who owns the aircraft you operate?
Im confused, we didnt talk about what settling with power meant. Cool flight, but id love to see more training because then I can learn it too.
Settling with power is essentially just losing altitude regardless of how much power you apply. It could be because you didn't do any power checks and you're trying to land at too great a density altitude; it could be because you've been flying R22s alone for a while and you come in too hot while landing a fully loaded R44 with 3 passengers and don't have the power to slow down (which has killed quite a few people); or it could be the initial stages of descending into your own downwash. Vortex ring state starts out as settling with power, but if uncorrected turns into a whole different can of worms. Do a CZcams search for "Vuichard Vortex Ring State". It's not nice even while training to pull an R22 into a hover at 4000' and deliberately induce vortex ring state. Pulling full power and seeing the VSI maxed at -2000fpm kinda makes your eyes bug out.
@@adamhammond6250 Thanks for the indepth, you gave me a ton to google
@@Mogi83 watch this
czcams.com/video/HjeRSDsy-nE/video.html
You said slow down “more forward cyclic, raise the collective”. Am I confused? Seems that would increase airspeed while trying to maintain altitude rather than continue decent and slow down.
The instruction he gave was to slow down the descent rate, but keep airspeed up. 👍
2:15 crosswind? Did you land with tailwind? :D
Did you actually demonstrate an instance of this dreaded 'settling with power'?
why not try a polarizing filter on the camera? rid the glare
TIme to get a bigger hangar?
Never settle.
We call this Vortex Ring State.
In vortex ring state you don't have any forward speed just stay and sink , when the blades will meet the stall angles, is that's little difference.
747 approach !
And remember maintain 30 kts. until less than 300"/minute.
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Watch this video! You can actually SEE the airflow thru the rotor system in vortex ring state!
czcams.com/video/HjeRSDsy-nE/video.html
Yet you never explained settling with power
Rick Kennerly ya I noticed that too. Mischa you started to explain it then didn’t finish lol. There is actually another video long ago where this is explained with the LEGO chopper