Restoring This 1800s Saw Makers Anvil!
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Props to the mill for holding up. Having that anvil on the end with the table fully run out must have been an enormous load.
Good thing Jamie stopped him and he didn’t flip and drop it there
I thought the same sir. That was alot on the end if the table.
@@jonasschindzielorz Yeah, that was a yelling at the screen moment. Both for the damage it would potentially due to his hands as well as the mill table.
RIP to the ways on that mill 🫗
Bridge ports can hold 480 lbs, roughly
Was gifted a 80 ish lb anvil and an ASO from a fellow veteran for the build out of my new to work shop. Goal is to have veterans and first responders over for hammer ins. If I can help one person win their battle with PTSD it’ll be worth it. Hats off Alec and crew for what you’re doing
As a vet and first responder, this is much appreciated
As much as I’d like to have an anvil I think your idea to send it to a school is where it belongs!
Better still if he showed how it was originally used, before giving it away, by making a saw with it.
I cant imagine schools would use it, too much health & safety
@@wadkin1973 national school of blacksmithing exists in the UK.
That "I told you so" was so satisfying.
Jamie casually absolutely saved your bridgeport table
Whilst they were probably used for large handsaws as well, these anvils were largely used for the tensioning of large circular saws and wide band saws during manufacture and maintenance by a "Saw Doctor" which sounds like a ridiculous job title but was actually a very skilled profession at one point in time. They also had their own specialist hammers, the more common ones were the "Doghead" style which were pretty much a one-sided hammer with all the weight on one side, and then you had "Twisthead" style which had opposing diagonal peins on each side of the hammer and another style was the "Crossface" which had a vertical pein on one side and a point on the other. The hammers would be used to pein and bring tension into the saw plate by expansion of the metal in certain spots where it was required which is what made the saw blade rigid and less likely to whip and warp when running at several thousand feet per minute at the rim.
We have an antique tractor show with a very large circular saw blade and there's still a few guys that know the art. Have to hammer the stresses for a certain RPM to get it to stabilize. Really cool stuff.
I'm an apprentice Saw Doctor at a steel mill in Australia. Its a dying art, but there are still a couple of us out there. We use an anvil similar to this for circular saw blades anywhere between 630mm and 2m in diameter.
@@blksrsil That's very cool! Do you have to go to a college to learn the trade also or is it purely a "on-the-job" apprenticeship? It's only something I've ever seen in the old books I have on the subject from well over 60 years ago.
I'm actually a trained sawsmith and have my own set (handed down to me by my mentor) including a dog head and others, if he ever wanted to see them/use them
Still a crictal skillset today but very hard to find even 24" vlades we run for an upcut saw can have a shimmy at full speed and hammer tensioning gets rid of that. Most of the saw mills for lumber have someone for there 3 and 4 foot dia blades
Alex, slow your RPM down on that big cutter. The tips will last longer . I’ve noticed you run it too fast on other videos . With a large diameter cutter like that you could go down to about 150-180 rpm. On softer steel like stainless or mild you can take a 2mm cut and the cutter and work piece will not over heat .
id argue that 218 rpm with half of it as feed rate was the best if he had the correct inserts for such hard steel, then he should start with 0.5 mm dept of cut and incrasing until he see that the machine isnt strong enough to that, but with such small machine i doubt he can go more than 1 mm even if such inserts can have an ap of 8 probably
regardless such inserts are not made to make sparks
only high nickel alloys should do that
I've told him so many times to consider cutting fluid, and, he just doesn't have time for that, rather eating through tools. He acknowledges that though in jest, so these are (new) old bad habits creeping in. Thank overnight tool deliveries exist.
@@stevenwest1494you shouldn’t need coolant with properly tuned feeds and speeds, the chips should take away most of the heat.
@@stevenwest1494 To be fair, for this kind of use, as in milling hardened steel with carbide inserts. You shouldn't use cooling, at least not in the amounts you could get on there with this kind of setup. The thermal shock of repeatedly heating and cooling will destroy the inserts. The only way that might work is if you can flood the whole tool with ungodly amounts of cooling emulsion, and you'll never achieve that on an old, open machine.
When the goal is video content, there needs to be sparks and some level of destruction. Tool life and surface finish are secondary.
Can you create a 2 man sawblade first? Would be an interesting topic with exhausting testing afterwards :P
I like that you don't just give it away to anyone, but try to make sure it is actually being used and will be part of lived history. Restoring old machines and equipment is my favorite content of yours. Please do more of this :)
You can hear how solid that anvil is.
Man the bottle opener video was so good! Another challenge video like that would be good fun
That anvil has a NICE deep sound. I love it.
It was nice bumping into you last night mate. You're welcome back to my petrol station any time.
Alec does his best Captain America imitation: "It appears to run on some form of electricity!"
Worked on the exact same anvil for 23 years! Loved it
Is it true thr sawyer anvils are softer
Your excitement for blacksmithing, be it the craft or the tools of the craft, is infectious. It does suck that the anvil sales never truly took off. It would've been cool to own one
Great music during the milling. Had a small rave whilst watching. Enjoyed the slowmo sparks as well👏
Hope all is well!
Have a great rest of your day (whoever is reading this).
Man that would be so awesome to see that anvil given to a subscriber. I took the leap and started learning how to forge knives about 8 months ago and it had been difficult for me to find a decent anvil anywhere near me.
Those clips of the milling were really satisfying. Probably the most satisfying I’ve seen here.
I love any and all the anvil content from you guys! love that you restored one. love that you are giving it away.
Okay but does anyone else think Alec's voice was actually really good in that "I told you so" bit?
I would absolutely love if that anvil went to a school. I don't even want to apply because I hope it goes into the continued education of future smiths! It is a craft very much worth keeping alive and beating!
I honestly knew the Bridgeport would give out. That poor 2 horsepower motor just can’t handle a very big depth of cut. Ideally you’d want too use the giant Cincinnati milling machine Jason has that he used to cut Wills anvil because it has a 50 horse power spindle.
Unfortunately that machine is 5000 miles away.
A Sturdimill has a 7.5HP spindle motor and there are plenty of those around.
This kid is an Amateur and Has No idea how to "Properly" operate Machine tools
I pray he wont get Hurt doing things that he shouldnt ...
I have one of these in my workshop and I absolutely love it! It has really great response due to the mass. I have another anvil with a round and a square horn for when I need it, but when I want to move metal I definitely prefer the sawmakers anvil. Armourers anvils were often designed in a similar way.
love this so much. Restoring it to be used as a perpetual piece of living history is absolutely the way.
Great video! Amazing idea on the giveaway! Hope a local school is the recipient!
I really like the bolt holes. Great addition.
You did a hell of a good job restoring that anvil love your videos
Really cool anvil. GJ as always
Possibly the most entering 1 min of CZcams I've seen in a while, Alec Spazzing out over a blown/ tripped fuse. Keep up the Good work!
I love the random camshaft on the shelf of the welding table 😂😂 1:55
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👀👀 something you’re not telling us? Lol.
I love the idea of gifting and regifting as the craft is learned.
That's a impressive job. From scrap metal to fully functioning and ready to work.
The BEST "I told you so!!" EVER!!
man , thats a huge efford , the precision , the finish and the finesse, all those parts wire brushed you certainly moved up a level here !
What!? No ball bearing test? Sadness.
You are a patron of the arts and a fine fellow to boot!
Jamie has saved your ass more than once !!! You know that, right ?
Love anvil restorations! Hope it goes to good use.
Not the most consistent viewer of Alec Steele, but I saw a giant anvil in the thumbnail and knew I had to watch it 👍
My great grandfather was a saw maker as well as a lumber jack. When he passed away all that knowledge and his tools never got passed on. I would have loved to have seen and used his tools and sit and listen to his wisdom filled stories.
Great video! I’m glad you’re giving it away but honestly I wish you would keep it and use it, to show people that work can be done with a simple block of steel
absolutely incredible, can we all appreciate the effortless skill here, my amoeba brain cant comprehend some of the thought processes needed to do something like this. brilliant
I was recently at a metal recycling center to get a few bucks for some junky old useless metal parts but while I was there I saw a Bridgeport Mill standing up in the junk pile and it was fairly complete from what I could see of it it. It was depressing seeing a beautiful old machine like that standing there crying out to be restored and used but actually about to be destroyed. I'm moving across several states and don't have anywhere to go with such a large tool but if I did I would have ask the main office about it.
6:45 karaoke stream when? 😂
This was a super restoration, and it's good to hear you are giving it away to somewhere that needs it. 👍
Bravo super restauration!
its awesome that you are giving that away to a good home, im sure someone will make great use of it.
Oi Alec. You need Ruwag drill bits and Harden tools. Lemme hook you up.
Thanks for filming Alec. 😁👍🏼😁👍🏼
Jamie is my new hero.
Surely it can't be legal to have this much fun.
Please Alec. With your platform and connections, find the facing tools. The grinders that draw down the spine of the saw to a few thou shy of the cutting teeth thickness. Speaking for myself and few others. No one can recreate these techniques today with modern representation of large saws I can source anywhere. God bless and stay true sir.
My grandpa & I have a long running joke… every time I get up there to him I ask for his anvil. He always says “Over my dead body”… I respond “Well keep it forever then”🖤
Alec should make one of those two-man logging saws
He should visit Thomas Flinn in Sheffield the last traditional sawmaker in the UK and the last company in the world to make two man crosscut saws
Yea, that's a great idea
Sisterhood of the traveling anvil
We need to see Will in the UK for a Steele vs Stelter.
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The use of anvils for saws was not limited to cross cut saws, in fact they were of limited use in that venue. They were more commonly used for putting the tension in the center of larger circle saws, which require a slight dishing in order to run true when they run up to speed.
I’m glad that someone made this comment. A sawyers anvil would typically be set up under a large circular saw that was set on a turntable laying in the horizontal position. The saw blade would just ride over the anvil so that the sawyer could hammer on the blade to adjust it into true. And, they typically had a slight crown to the anvil face, not truly flat. That way the sawyer could focus the energy from the hammer in one precise place on the blade.
Oh I watched the whole video only to hear the words “In the UK” 🤠
Once it’s on the boat it doesn’t matter how far it goes!
Nice anvil. Hard work for the Bridgeport!
When I built my own shop, not a professional one, just a space for tinkering, working/ hanging out etc) I expected to occasionally have to move heavy things around without any help. I put 3/4 inch eyebolts through several of the 6 inch by 12 inch overhead beams, all the way through, with a nut and a few thick washers on the topside. I also build an extra stout dolly on the strongest casters I could find. With the aid of a block and tackle hooked to the eyebolt this lets me hoist very heavy things out of my truck bed and lower them onto the dolly to be moved about. My own anvil is only 65 lb, but I've used this set up to move a huge cast iron woodstove and an appliance or two.
There is a place in Oxfordshire that is trying to maintain the old school skills easily lost in time, such as blacksmithing and I'm hoping to help them. i can't offer my full time to the cause but i think this is a strong if not the best candidate for this new anvil's new home. I'd be happy to share the story with you and hopefully you can get on board with maintaing the history of blacksmithing in the uk
Absolutely fascinating
Nice project!
Absolutely great idea.
I signed up for your classes a while ago. I haven't to date done anything. BUT! I finally got myself to a place where i will be able to build my shop again in about a year, hopefully less. I would love that anvil or one like it. It looked like you really liked that one. Plus, how great would it be to learn on a piece of history like that. I wonder what stories it would tell if it could.
I would suggest rounding the corners of the mounting plate or they will draw blood.
I like it when Alec says the words then he goes bam and hits the metal
Alec: "SFM what is that?" Lol keep up the good work guys.
Wow I'm view number 2 , wild. Long time subscriber. Love the content
What an amazing piece of English History
I've made that agreement with many anvils. I've kept two from my thirteen and don't regret it. Forklift forks and railroad track make perfect anvils. I know.
That was crackin. Good show old man!
Oh Yeah!!! Thanks Alec!!!
I could use that anvil as a leg rest under my desk! Thanks!
Nice anvil and great was to pass a part of the past to a younger generation. Stay safe.
Awesome job sir. Can't wait to see more updates an projects and many more videos soon my friend. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Forge On. Fab On. Weld On. Keep forge lit. Keep Making. God Bless.
i was given 2 crusty rusty anvils had a lot of success using a scotch bright pad on an angle grinder to clean em up. the wire wheel was taking a longggg time to do the same job
Youre the Mr Beast of anvils and Tools, just giving them out to those who needs them
I believe Ilya uses a style of sawyers anvil as his main @thatworks?
Jamie, TOP MAN for removing the anvil and flipping it over. 150kg on a max traveled out table, you could have Seriously damaged it.
The slo-mo and up close right before the bridge port broke 😮😮😮…I could watch that for hours
Oh boy! I could too! And I need the name of that song, if anyone got it!
So, that whole top is sheffield cast steel? How much do you think that anvil cost back in the day?
We need to see Alec forge a large period correct anvil
That a cool anvil!!
Jamie givin that real advice
Jamie sprayed the tool as requested... The tool using the tap. :P
ROFL I see what you did there🤣
Was that rather a lot of weight for the bridgeport?😮
I go to a training facility called derwent training in malton North Yorkshire anvils n blacksmithing tools wouldn't be much use but any other fabrication/machining tools if u are ever giving anything away I'm sure they would have them. They are a training facility as apposed to a collage so they don't make money so any tools/equipment has to be given to them or fund raised for. Just thought I'd put it out there.
Alec's singing voice, wow, that's a belter of a voice XD
My favorite project on this channel was the Damascus pear of anquish
You two crack me up. Maybe you need to have an Alex vs. Jamie challenge like you did with Will. They would be entertaining!
Sawyers‘ anvils are great for bladesmithing. I‘d keep it if I were you.
Was hoping to see you try and make a saw with it haha oh well great restoration video 👍
You should make some damascus fishing lures. I know you have Pike in England, so you could make some daredevils or something like that
Before giving it away, have a go at making a saw!
I'm not an expert, but from what I've heard it's harder than it looks. There's the shape, the thinner back and toe, cutting and seeing the teeth, and tensioning the blade. Would be fun to watch!
I recently got in to hitting steel with a hammer. Using a railroad track and chain welded to it. I can see now why a heavy anvil is preferred. You lose so much energy in to the ground with a light anvil! Let’s hope a school gets in on this.
What a great idea boys. Well done. The whole video concept, use of Squarespace, the moral usecase for the anvil ...
I kept replaying 9:41 at least 10 times till I was crying with laughter... :DDD
Mad my 1st anvil from rail iron.Drilled hardy with 1/2" drill and a good file.Wore out my angle grinder squaring face and shaping the horn.Rings loud and annoys the neighbors.Nice job on your restore job.Hopefully it finds the right home !And sees alot of hot iron and hammers! Keep up the good work Yall!
Some information about saw makers anvils. They have an ever so slight crown. Just a few thousandths in the middle. They are also used for leveling and tensioning circle saws more so than the old misery whips.