Victorinox EvoGrip 18
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- čas přidán 29. 11. 2019
- This is actually the EvoGrip 18 not the S18. My sincere apologies for my mistake. The EvoGrip 18 is a 4 layer knife from the Delmont Collection. I like almost everything about this knife. I have only one complaint.
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I know this comment is 3 years late, but what I dig about the original Wenger can opener is that it had a pointed edge that can function as a package opener (you can even sharpen the edge). Also, another drawback of the serrated scissors for me is that it prevents fast push cuts through paper. Still, I love these Wengers and EVOs, with the Wenger Traveler/EVO 14 being among my favorite SAK's. They would be perfect if they had the Vic scissors, but then again alot of Vics would be perfect for me if they'd just provide any with scissors and a nail file in the same package.
I've had the original Wenger version of this knife for about 18 years now and I greatly prefer it's serrated scissors over Victorinox's scissors. Those serrations help immensely when cutting into stuff like plastic packaging. The movement in the scissors was never noticeable in use to me and is absolutely worth not having that little spring to break.
Dude, I've been trying to pick a victorinox for last few months. I like to do a ton of research first on these kinds of things...this video is perfect! Nice detail and exactly the detail I was looking for! Many thanks
Thank you sir. You are very welcome. Hope you’ll check out some of the other videos as well.
The best SAK for everyday urban carry! Hands down my favorite of them all!
I just got my 1st victorinox 1 handed trekker. So far I am liking it. In the past its been leatherman and the Gerber center drive for me
I’ve had a wenger knife for a few decades now and the can opener is very similar to the leatherman waves can opener just shorter and missing the wire stripper. The big down fall to the scissors for me is trimming nails with the serrated edge leaves your nails very rough. But the nail file is great at smoothing out. Have to say the nail file/ cleaner is likely the second most used tool.
This model has been my edc for years.
Very well done! I like the look of the Evogrip 18.
I’m a big Victorinox fan and I’ve been looking at this one so thanks for thee detailed review Ben which has made me decide to give it a miss for the time being not because it’s a bad tool but because it doesn’t offer anything different to what I’ve already got. 👍🙂
You’re very welcome, glad I could help.
Another great review. I admire how you pick up on the finer nuances such as the scissor torsion bar and slot screwdriver lock.
Thank you sir. As always, I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment on my videos.
I just got mine. My first pocketknife despite being a former boy scout.
Thanks man! Just what I needed. Been on the fence on an S18 vs Fieldmaster. I think I'm going with Fieldmaster.
I've carried an Explorer for years, mostly because of the inline phillips. I wish Victorianox would offer that in more of the slimmer models. I'd be all over it.
I thought I found it in that Gerber Armbar you reviewed, but alas....you saved me 40 bucks there! If they come up with a decent 2.0 version, I might have to switch! Keep up the good work, friend.
Thanks for watching, glad I could help.
So glad to stumble back to this video and finally see someone call out it's only issue - the scissor movement. Still give it an A, though. I carry an SAK, literally; every minute of the day until I get into bed. Love my Explorer, my Hercules, etc., but, if I had to pick only one, I think this would be it. Just has the right tools for the most needs, and the value of a locking blade can't be understated.
Thanks for the great review. Found the info about the difference between the Wenger style scissors and Victorinox scissors very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Great review. I have the original Wenger version, and other differences are the tweezers which are plain metal without the grey plastic end, the toothpick is thinner and the awl is just a spike without the sharpened edge of the Victorinox variation. I agree with you about the scissors; the serrations are meant to be self sharpening but just make the cut more blunt.
Still a pretty good EDC knife. Thanks for watching.
with a few tweeks i was able to improve the scissors. 1. i tightened the rivet so there is no movement. 2. i removed the burr on the smooth edge.
One thing I like about the Delemont series is that you can also get the models with a locking blade. I have the Evo 16 (non grip red scales, no saw but locking blade) and its a great knife... apart from the scissors. They would be better without the serations
I went on the same victorinox journey yesterday actually lol. I settled on the same tool. Was not aware it was shorter than the tinker setup... And had those serrated scissors lol. I do wish walmart sold the super tinker instead of just the base tinker
Nice review! Great catch on the scissors. That is a problem.
Helpful review. Seems like my search for the “grail” SAK is always thwarted by wishing one tool was different. Maybe that’s part of their plan and why I have so many 😂. I wish they’d launch a “build your own” feature on their website so we can pick the tools we want.
Great review! To your point on the Evo scissors, I have heard that they are better for cutting tougher things like electrical wire than the the standard scissors as well as being self sharpening because of the micro serrations. 👍 I have a Wenger and a Victorinox, personally I don't cut paracord that often so I find that both perform the same tasks well for me. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Thanks for your review Ben. The comparison of the scissors was good, that has put me off the Evogrip 18. I do like the Evogrip S18 and S17 with a locking blade. I think I'll get a Huntsman or Fieldmaster instead.
I was in the exact same situation. I chose the Fieldmaster as I preferred the Phillips over the corkscrew. It was diezelle57's review of the 18 and his direct comparison of the Wenger and Victorinox scissors that made me go with the Fieldmaster.
Thanks for sharing this with us I've just got the fieldmaster with 4.0520.1 case it's my new edc I've used Swiss Army knives for over 20 years I love the Swiss champ but for my edc the fieldmaster is the way to go its a great all render👌 thanks again
Well thank you for watching.
The red SAK can be upgraded to plus scales! Great review !
Thank you, and thanks for the information.
I agree. So close, yet sucky scissors. Field master is the same, but includes a parcel hook. So close, but 1 feature that's not needed or bad.
I have a swiss champ and a nail clip 580. I have the same problem on the nail clip. On top of it, the scissors are way smaller and often get stuck with the little bar to the point I never use those scissors anymore. Too bad I was really looking forward to having scissors with serations on a sak.
In my opinion this is the best Victorinox pocket knife ever made. I really like those new scissors kinda "spring". It really feels more safer and stabile. The 8cm lenght of the profiled body is just perfect for my hand, and also the blade's blockade is really cool and comfortable.
Got the s18. And some other victorinox knives. But because of the siccors, it never became my edc.
If you own the S18 & the Huntsman…you own all you need.👍👍
Americans consume vast quantities of corked wine, importing from France, Australia, Israel, Chile, Italy etc. I do not drink (I am in Israel), but have always used the corkscrew to undo knots, clean boot treads, and hold the small eyeglass screwdriver.
I have the s18, and several others of that line. Also in wood, and without the lock. No safety problems--this is a light duty model.
There are Victorinox 88mm standards with that nail file.
I agree that Wenger scissors are not as good at cutting, despite appearing to be a more advance design. But fine for most purposes. Lots of torsion bar springs break. The Vic spring is easily replaceable.
That pressure lock on the Wenger driver is good. But again, being a light duty tool, I just don't worry about the Vic driver closing up.
Thanks--good review!
You're very welcome sir. Thank you for watching.
I bought this recently. I would have preferred a corkscrew as on the s17 but the color is so cool.
I had the original wenger version of the 14, and also own the victorinox version of the 14. I like that I'll probably never have to replace the spring in the scissors, but I agree, I wish it cut as well as the victorinox. I assume the serrations are the issue. Otherwise, I like the smaller length, the contoured handles, and pockets really well. It's just missing a couple of things I'd like to have on me.
10:30 I would say that the scissors are better at harder material than Victorinox style. For instance it's a lot easier for plastic and zip ties
Nice review. I was almost sold on getting an S18 until I started looking into some of the shortcomings. I actually prefer the fieldmaster since it has nearly all the same tools just the older style scissors and longer blade. I guess the non-locking blade versions are a bit better as well since the blade lock kinda sucks.
fieldmaster is better with locking the blades to ?
@@dabomb5505 what
I have the Fieldmaster and the EvoGrip S18 is like an upgraded version of the Fieldmaster! If you take out the toothpick and replace it with a Firefly ferro rod you have a great outdoors pocket knife!!
Yeah, I had originally mislabeled the title. I need to go back and get that thumbnail edited as well. Sorry for the confusion.
Great video. Thank You.
Yes sir, thanks for watching.
Couple comments.
1) Victorinox doesn't "ALWAYS" have the scales/cover tools. None of the ALOX models have them.
2) The Evo/Evo Grip knives are 85mm, not 84. The large Tinker is 91mm.
3a) The Victorinox scissor spring has an unfortunate history of breaking on the 91/"93" mm and 58mm knives.
3b) The Wenger scissors can't break the spring.
3c) The Wenger scissors might cut paracord better without the micro serration. However, you have a couple other options for cutting Paracord: (a) the knife blade. (b) You carry a Leatherman with scissors. You could use those scissors, or the plain edge or serrated edge blade on the Leatherman. Also, for cutting standard 550 and/or 750 paracord, the 85mm/91/93mm SAK scissors are a bit on the small side.
I have an Evo Grip 14 (no saw hand has the corkscrew which holds the SAK corkscrew screwdriver, or firefly kindling and tiny ferro rod. In addition to (possibly?) opening a corked adult beverage, the corkscrew works great for picking open an over tightened knot in/on a rope or shoelace.) which I've paired with a 58mm SAK Mini Champ, and a Leatherman Charge+ TTI multi tool, and usually a stockman or Loom Fixer, or other knife with a Sheepfoot or Wharncliffe blade, because I need a blade with a straight, zero belly blade for some knife tasks quite often. A spear point or clip point blade woul work, but the zero belly blade makes the kob a lot easier. 😷👍
Since my LM has a saw, I don't need to get the S17 or S18, or replace my AWOL SAK Huntsman.
Other than mentioned above, a good review. 👍
I like the yellow and black covers on yours. They might make it easier to locate if dropped (unless dropped in a field of Daisies, Buttercups, or Dandillion, of course.)
You make some excellent observations, thank you for your input.
Nice review. I just ordered the 18 yesterday and looking forward to receiving it. One complaint I hear somewhat commonly about the Vic style siccors is regarding the spring breaking or having to be replaced. It looks like the Wenger style will be beefier. It's surprising the Vic style cuts the para cord better. I would have guessed the opposite. Interesting.
I actually thought the scissors would hold up better on thicker material as well. Guess we were both wrong.
@@txtoolcrib For me probably either style would be fine though, as the scissors won't get heavy use. I just like that particular style knife. I'm sure the fieldmaster is a fine knife too.
great video. the wenger is a pretty cool tool especially with the grip but the Deluxe Tinker is my favorite! :)
Thank you sir. I like this one a lot, except for the scissors.
Hello ^^ Thank you for a good test ~! Performance of VICTORINOX scissors is better than WENGER scissors!
You’re very welcome.
@@txtoolcrib Thank you ~ ^^
Great Assessment 👍
Thank you sir.
It's the basic 18. The S18 has a locking blade
Thanks for the video. Just curious what grade do you give the super thinker. Considering that it’s missing the file, the saw, and the locking mechanism on the screwdriver.
wire stripper, use a blade to cut to unsheathe 1.5 cm of the insulation from the core. place stripper cutout into that cut out and pull off the plastic to expose the bare end for securing into the electrical connection.
Great video that multi tool is Victorinox Delemont 18 there is another one S18 with a locking blade. There’s 2 versions on this model.
Oh my goodness, you’re so right. Thank you for catching that.
I went back to correct the title and an apology in the description. Thanks again for catching my error.
Well that's a bummer about the scissors. I was thinking of getting the larger Junior model for our daughter, now I am not so sure.
Love it!
I will probably go for the EvoGrip S17 as I drink wine and use glasses. So I would prefer the corckscrew and I would add the mini screwdriver.
I love the nail file and nail cleaner... so I mod a Vic Sportsman to include 84 mm scissors so I now EDC a Small Climber (or an old Alumnus)
I do not like the oscillation of of the Wenger scissors
How difficult is it to modify SAKs?
I really liked these Wenger designs but Wengens QC and their tools weren’t very good in my experience. But now Victorinox is making these which is awesome since they have a better quality control and some of their Victorinox style of tools (ie the awl, can opener, saw, etc.)
Is it possible to file out the serations on the scissors? The belly on the knife blade is very good and will cut much sweeter that the tinker
Wenger-Delémont scissors are decent; the sole problem for me is how thin they are. Cutting harder materials or cutting repeatedly will dig into the finger badly. This is quite worse with the small Wenger scissors on the old Esquire (65 mm), for instance.
I carry this very knife every day
Does its scissors only have problem with cutting fabric? How about thin wire?
Does the rubber grips catch on the inside of the pocket?
After perusing the Victorinox website and using their filters to compare comparable models with similar tool sets, it really stood out that the Evo 18 has a great mix of implements. I might just have to get one.
Have you considered posting affiliate links? Not to sell them per se but to help folks easily support the channel?
TC1836 I’m checking into that. I’m waiting on a confirmation email from Amazon right now. Hopefully I will be able to get approved. I also considered a PayPal account to make purchases on tools and gear. Then giving away those items in giveaways to my subscribers after some initial testing and use.
Да, открывалка для консервных банок не такая, какая была у Venger, это именно Victorinox.
На мой взгляд, Victorinox стоит взять стиль рукояток от Venger, и вышло бы отлично.
Спасибо за видео👍👍👍
I have had a couple of Wengers, and I recall that the main springs were really weak. Is that better in the Evogrip? I prefer Victorinox design to Wenger for many reasons, really, but the strength of the springs has always been the deciding factor.
This is my first experience with a Wenger style knife, so unfortunately I can’t answer that question.
I have a question. I love my Evo grip s18 but I have a question about it and they can't answer it at customer service and I haven't seen one thing about it online. Is your nail file mushy or is it supposed to have the same snap as all the other tools? Man I hope you see this question cuz it's driving me crazy. Thanks man. Love your channel
Video Request:
Can you compare the Victorinox scissors with the spring against the S18 Lever lock mechanism vs the RangerGrip 71 (folding frame lock)
@3:50 you need torque with the philips as well.
I'm trying to figure out if this has a locking blade knife. I'm getting mixed information...people who have reviewed it on Amazon have commented on how they love the locking blade, however Victorinox makes no mention of it on their website, and you don't seem to show it as a locking blade in your video. Any information would be appreciated, thanks!
I don’t think I’ve ever commented on your videos , sorry about that , but I watched most of your videos. They are always in depth on what ever tool your talking about . I myself like the Wenger scissors over the SAKS. Always worried about that little spring breaking . Maybe I missed it not sure , but have you done the Leatherman Raptor, or flashlights of any kind ?
I have done a video on the Raptor but no flashlights to date. Thanks for all your views.
I’ll get to it, lol. Sorry I haven’t put it out yet.
The locking version is set up to be gifted to everyone in my family. We all should have a Swiss Army knife. As we should all have a multi tool and solidly built daily usable folding locking knife.
Victorinox certainly makes some quality products.
If tou try to cut an even harder and thicker plate, then the serrated scizzors cut it but the other does not and slides off.
I thought it had a blade loc?
It’s a good knife Ben but then you could split the difference between this and the super tinker by getting the Fieldmaster? Best of both worlds and you can have the plus scales to accommodate the pin and pen. I like it because it has all the tools you use and none you don’t! Annnnd! It fits the hand better, it doesn’t roll over in the hand and it’s very comfortable to use...in fact tbh I didn’t want to like it as I love my Alox Farmer and more recently the pioneer X but it ticks all the boxes, give it a go...
I've had a couple of people tell me I should get the Pioneer X. I'm about to pull the trigger on one I think.
You are showing an Evogrip 18, non-locking main blade.
The Evogrip S18 has the locking main blade. That is the (only) difference.
I only got the Delemont S18 model because the large blade has a lock!!, otherwise I prefer the regular Victorinox.... Now , the $ question: is it worth the extra money (probably NOT)
i dislike torsion bars just because it takes more force to use. when I need to use it for light-duty tasks, a regular spring makes it a lot easier to do so, while also lasting for at least as long as torsion bars. when I need to use it for longer time periods, the torsion bar style scissors need some break periods, as it digs into the skin a lot more than just the regular spring one.
Hadn't considered that. Good point.
Actually prefer the scissors on the evogrip knives
I think it's the fieldmaster you are comparing it with not the super tinker because the super tinker has 3 layers and the one you're using for comparison is a 4 layer. At the end you said the evo 18 was more pocket friendly than the super tinker, which prompted me to buy the evo 18. But when it arrived i couldn't understand why that was the case because the super tinker is lighter and less bulky. But i now realise it was because you were comparing it with the fieldmaster, not super tinker, which is more bulky and heavier
You can scissor through light metal lIke a can with the s18 i dont know how good that would work with the victorinox one also tHe blade sHape Is a bIt dIfferent I lIke Both
Anyone else find the screwdrivers on these with a lot of wiggle?
I’ve got the original wenger version of the Swiss champ love it not made anymore
Can opener different on original wenger
The Wenger can opener was a "Lobster" claw style. It cut going forward. The VIC cuts backwards.
wait shouldnt it be
wenger = backwards
victorinox = forwards?
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I've seen some of their stuff and have been debating on trying them out.
Where is the lock? ??? The S18 has a locking blade
You probably know by now but the knife you have there is a 18 not a s18...s18 has blade lock......great review.
I do. Not often I make those types of mistakes, but I certainly did on this video.
@@txtoolcrib
I'll be keeping a eye on you..
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Great review, ask the problems annoy me heaps so I won't by it. Thanks.
Glad to help
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That's not the s18... the s indicates a locking blade which this model does not have.
Yeah, I messed up there. Good catch.
The scissors is the reason that i don't buy Evo series.
I was a little disappointed in the scissors as well.
The micro grooves on scissors manes them self sharpening scissors dint have to sharp them ever the can opener in wenger resemble a leatherman so there’s no small screw driver in the tip
Great video! Detailed and informative - thanks very much!
Here's a good explanation/tip on how to use the wire stripper tool on the knife. Refer to the following link at about 1.22m:
czcams.com/video/LoatAfMQWOQ/video.html
Also, by way of another tip, I figure you could file down the small blade on the Super Tinker to a dull edge and point to create a nail cleaner... That's if the small cutting blade isn't used that much.
The Philips can bend over the 90° so You can acces almost every screws
Did I forget to mention that?
"Being from America?" What? You mean we prefer our wine with a screw cap? :)
Bought one of these used, gifted it to my sister. Wenger was a downgrade from Victorinox for me. Reminded me of those cheap "wood handle with your name and state park you are at" tourist knives you get as souvenirs. I did like the regressing flathead, which locked into place when you pushed the tip down.
I think on the whole this particular one is pretty good.
Nail files belong on clippers. Clean your nails with a small pen
To each their own.
what does " being from America" have to do with you using or not using the cork screw? lol.
We are not known for having a huge wine drinking population.