20 VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT… OUTSIDE YOUR COMFORT ZONE!!!
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2024
- An opinion of why some collectors avoid the most iconic cards in the hobby. A look at 20 vintage baseball issues that immediately grab my attention.
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Always educating us on the old cardboard! Thank you sir and keep talking on the tube!
Thanks William
Absolute masterclass, yet again. For the record, I saw the Tip Top bread Spahn in Strongsville. I loved it, but it’s outside of my pay grade.
Hi Craig, I thought the price on it was way high! Again, great seeing you
Dave , I have to agree with you on a few sets that get my juices flowing also. 1910 Washington Times , 1912 Vasser sweater , 1916 Fleischman , Piedmont stamps , 1914 Texas Tommy are just a few !!
Congrats on your recent pickup
@Bluejacket66 Thanks Dave , really excited about this card as the hunt has been long.
Dave,
This was epic for me to learn more in detail of each of these cards. I guess for me I just have so many classic cards I still want that I grew up seeing on magazines as a kid that my focus is for the common / iconic / most recognizable cards first. I could see myself one day chasing down some rare gold ,but for now I have so many must haves first 😂😂. Thank you for taking the time to make such a great presentation of each card and talking about your thoughts on each one and your thoughts in general about collecting the pre war cards. 🤙🤙
No question we all have our own comfort zones and niches!!
Great information and knowledge shown here as usual. I always enjoy the content.
Hi Josh
Glad the Hunters Musial made the list, sick card! I’m learning a lot of prewar from you guys and I’m really enjoying it! I’m laser focused on player collecting but knowledge is power and more of it makes the hobby more enjoyable! Thanks Dave!
Thanks Theo! Cheers to you
Awesome Vid Dave. Always informative for us!! Thank you..
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Hi Dave. I really enjoy what you talk about as your knowledge of your content is incredible. It was a pleasure meeting you in Strongsville and look forward to talking again at the National. Talk soon my friend.
Thanks, you as well!!
Thanks for the lesson Dave! I definitely plan on dipping my toe a little deeper into pre-war in the near future. Just love the history of the cards and players!
Thanks Jim, happy to help you
Great video Dave! Great to learn more about these cards and sets. Love the D304 Cobb! Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video, Dave. Made me think about what gets my attention when I’m looking through an auction… If I’m not mistaken, as far as D304 Cobb’s go, the toughest back is Martens, and I don’t believe a Weber is known to exist.
You are right, although I showed a Weber back so their must be one, lol
Ha! I almost spit out my beer. I have a rather large Cecil Cooper collection! Love the Vintage Baseball Cards book. I purchased one a few years back when you recommended it. Opened my eyes. I still can’t believe all the prewar sets. Amazing!
Haha Jeff… I just threw that name out off the top of my head
Man those George Close Candy Cobbs are so nice. I really like the Cy Young and Lajoie in that issue too. Fantastic video.
I like the cry young as well
I own zero E 94 cards
Really enjoyed this video. I am of the belief that most people’s lack of interest in pre war comes from lack of education about it.
Videos like this are great to help get the word out about many of these incredible cards/sets.
Thanks for making this and sharing. Take care
That’s my point but there are other factors too
Great video Dave. Very informative. Those are, indeed, some amazing cards. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Keith!
Great video Dave. I really appreciate the pro tips that you are sharing. Thank you
I appreciate the support!
I have learned so much just watching your videos, Dave. I may not be able to afford the great cards you show, but if I ever see any of them “out in the wild”, I’ll have some knowledge to snag a bargain…..or more likely educate someone on what they actually have so they can make more money. I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share it.
Lots of players within these great issues
Absolutely loved the video Dave!
Hello Mikeo!!!!!
Great video. Your knowledge is extraordinary. Keep up the good work.
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Really good stuff! I found out about the Texas Tommy a while ago and I’ve been wanting one but probably will never find one. I have not done any auction houses yet and obviously I’m missing out.
Ya, always look through the auction houses, great education in the descriptions
Love some of these cards. I have a negative used for that Cobb D304 General Baking card. Its from the Jim Rowe archive. Extremely rare and unique item. I love it.
A you send me a pic?
@@Bluejacket66 Sure. I can send you one tonight when I get home. Do you have an email?
@@Bluejacket66 Sure. What's your email?
@@Bluejacket66 Sure. Do you have a means of contact?
Dave, I was quite taken by the Tip Top Bread Spahn, but I talked to the dealer and it was a Pop 1 with a price tag of $10,000. That was more than I brought with me to Strongsville.
I thought the price was way high for that card too!!
Thanks for encouraging us to dig deeper. For me, I was just trying to wrap my head around modern and post war. When I read The Glory of Their Times, that really inspired me to participate in pre-war/deadball era.
I think learning about Reds HoF i previously knew nothing about also inspired me.
There's so much to learn. It's nice to see when people are open to expanding their knowledge base
That book, movie has inspired a lot of collectors
Great stuff Dave. The Musial Hunters Wieners are tough to find, some of my favorite Musials. I feel many of these players have passed me by price wise right now especially the rare Tray Piner. 😂
Tray Piner was the dyslexic brother of Pie. He was a left fielder but kept showing up in right so ultimately never made it to the big leagues
He came to a tragic end driving the wrong direction on a one way street. At least that’s my explanation
@@Bluejacket66 Sounds good to me
Learning is the key.Great stuff
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The 47 tip top bread is the only Spahn I would personally buy. Great call.
So happy you included Fleischmann Bakery cards. I know someone w/ a full his grandfather started. Wow. Amazing.
The t202 Hassan cards have been a favorite of mine since the mid-1980s.
I’m also learning about pre-war vintage.
Picked up the ‘01 standard catalog & complete run of old cardboard. They have been very helpful.
Last week, finished the run of the vintage & classic baseball collector mag.
Using the mags, net54 and especially your videos have really helped me
Thanks for the great input! Happy collecting
Great Kingdom shirt! Pre war cards is a lot of fun to learn about. It reminds me of collecting 90’s cards because the more you think you know the more you feel like you don’t know. I got my feet wet collecting a playing days card of members of the Cardinals hall of fame.
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I got from Colgans Chips hunting to the Sweet Caporal pins. I usually don’t collect pins… but I fell into starting that set.
I found an under the radar lot with nice paper backs intact, and not too much yellowing. The tiny pins look good under my “old man “ magnifying glass. 😅
I don’t collect pins either but certainly appreciate them!
@@Bluejacket66 they are one of the things that looks okay to me in a slab. Easier to handle… butI am still a graded card virgin.
Toying with the concept of sending off my Kid Elberfeld, though. Or one of the cleanest examples, just to see what they give it.🫣
Great info - thanks for sharing Dave
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Thanks for putting a spotlight on these. The Fleischmann Mathewson and Piedmont Art Stamps in particular got my attention. There's just something about Mathewson images that pull me in.
I had one long time ago…
Thank you, Dave. You’ve opened my eyes to pre war cards.
Do it Marcus!
Thanks again for sharing your knowledge. Your videos have me researching and bidding on pre-war. Won a 1916 M 101-4 Famous and Barr Mordecai Brown in the last REA auction (REA said it was M101-5 in their write-up but a few sources indicated otherwise). It was fun to do research and learn that the first 20 Famous and Barr cards are on whiter stock and usually have a reverse orientation of the Famous & Barr logo. Mordecai is # 17. Who knows I could be wrong and it could be an M101-5 but I don't think so. I now have a grand total of 5 prewar cards. I have been learning about postwar since the 80s so it is strange to know so little about it. Love your take on the '49 Leaf Paige. I absolutely love the Mascot Dog Food Berra - '50 Bowman has been on my wantlist with the illustration of that same image.
Congrats! Very cool and a great card!
Great Video Dave, thanks for the knowledge 👊
Thank you!
Very nice video. I’m glad I got into prewar the late 80’s. You could buy these cards for much less money than today.
Everything seems pricey!
Great information on these cards, thanks for educating. With the redemption on some of these cards, you wonder how many were sent in for albums, food, candy, etc...then where did the redeemed cards go, in the trash? Low pops on most of these I'm guessing, was it possible to get complete sets? Chasing card sets even back then for some. Great video Dave.
Some redemptions the cards were turned in, others got hole punched . Some just has coupon tabs you tore off. I suppose the ones that got turned in were put in trash or brought home by an employee?
Never cease to amaze me Dave.
Regards,
Big Mike
Hi Michael
Cecil Cooper! Ha great video Dave! Have the 2012 also!
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A real service here Dave. I think a big part of the reason more folks aren't into these cards is simply lack of knowledge, which you have addressed here. There are a few on my wish list. Hope we don''t compete too hard on some of these auctions!
Thanks for the great input chuck!!
i think the first barrier for most collectors is the financial cost when it comest to any "names" and pre-war.
Also, if YOU dont have the cards shown, the rest of us dont stand a chance! :)
Eric I may have blurred my point by looking at high end hofs, while each issue has tons of less expensive jewels
I believe this video needed to be done and you have presented it straight on. For way too long I have seen a fear or phobia of collectors not dipping there curiosities into the proverbial pre war waters out of fear of the unknown. There is so much history to be learned behind each pre war set and for me that is where the hunt and adventure lays. For too many years of my adult collecting journey I appreciated pre war but avoided it for the more comfortable vintage golden years of baseball cards.
I am now all in on pre war cards for the last 10 years and enjoying myself more than I ever have in my collecting journey of 50 years. Please take the time to get the proper publications and use the internet to learn the history behind the cards and players , you will not regret it.
…. minds think alike and all that
You don't know why some people don't collect Ty Cobb but they do collect Cecil Cooper (odd example by the way)? I can think of one very obvious reason. 💰💰💰
I was trying to steer toward other greats of the prewar era that are equally interesting . I get it though, I kinda misspoke
The Cobb “rainbow” is amazing
Gave a like as always - Good advice. Prewar is an adventure worth taking IMO. I enjoy the handful of semi-stars examples in my collection. Slowly adding to that part of my collection, which helps add experience and knowledge. I'm at the point in my collecting journey that I'm just comfortable enough, that I've taken the training wheels off so to speak and gone for it. I've had a blast with prewar cards. It's one of the most fun and exciting parts of my collection. Both of the big (for me) cards I targeted at Strongsville were both prewar cards. They didn't have either of them, but that will just make it more exciting when I do come across them at the National or somewhere and pick them up. Enjoyed the video!
Doesn’t have to be e the top tier Hofs. Prewar is a type collectors dream and there are a ton of cool cards out there
I agree! It really is!!
Great prewar lesson. Always learning from your awesome knowledge. Truly appreciate these types of videos.
Hi Orlando, thanks for watching. Have a good weekend
I recently got back into collecting and I’m only focusing on prewar. I’ve been watching many of your videos and following your advice. When I was a kid in the 90s all I wanted were 1950’s Topps. Now they don’t do anything for me. I still appreciate them but I’m not interested in buying anything post 1950 and most of my interest is in 1900 -1935. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Happy collecting my friend
School is in session!
Hi Don
Ive been looking at the V100 lately love that set
Me too!
"dont dwell on the past... look forward to the future"
“ Although I am no longer caught in the past, the future seems like a ridiculous thing to me.”
If you do another video or turn this into series even, I would be interested, and probably, not just myself but other collectors too, places to start...on a budget. It seems that most of the pre-war cards, that are affordable (affordable being subjective) either the minor stars or players most people don't know of. I assume, however there are a few hall of famers , not ''too expensive''' perhaps due to not having much notoriety and fanfare? This is true for the vintage cards post pre-war as well. There are great players over shadowed by other great players. Frank Robinson, Brooks Robinson, Harmon Killebrew, Reggie Jackson, Willie Stargell, we can go on and on, with that list of HOF players that won't break the bank of most collectors wallet.
It's good, though to at least be open to considering something different I suppose. The Ruth's, Gehrig's, Honus, Cobb, etc that garners most of the attention, but I try to tell myself if I never have those cards in my PC; there's always something else of quality or quality to me around the corner...but, this was a great video. Thanks, for sharing your insights, and perspective...you are so right Dave, I.E. the Satchel Paige...man, what a card. What a card.
Within each issue I showed- there are many many non Hof, or well known players that are far more affordable. The cards I showed are “ head turners” for myself and really not related for my pitch for people to look into prewar
Thanks for watching
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I think it's a combination of lack of knowledge (much easier to buy that 1960 Topps Hank Aaron than wade into the obscure issues of the teens and 1920s) and cost. A lot of the pre war stuff, in particular the bigger names (Wagner, Johnson, Cobb, Gehrig, Ruth, Mathewson, Shoeless Joe, etc.) and the scarce issues are cost prohibitive for the average collector. Heck, just look at a PSA 2 of Johnson's T206, for the price of that card, you can buy a nice PSA 5 Topps mini run of Aaron, Clemente, Mays, Ted Williams.
I’ll admit the cost of upper tier prewar HOF is high. But 99.9 %of prewar cards are not upper tier HOF and are great to collect and can be had At reasonable cost
Absolutely agree. In the past year I picked up plenty of great vintage for between $100 - $500.....207 Max Carey in a 4.5, E91-B Marquard in a 4, 31-32 4-on-1 Exhibits Cronin green variation in a 3, 1927 Exhibits Lazzeri (VG), 1929 Kashin Hafey and Manush in 4, W502 Lloyd Waner in a 3, just to name a few. Of course, these are not Ty Cobbs, but these are relatively scarce early cards of HOFers nonetheless.
I'm only here for the Cecil Coopuh cahds
Welcome
Man the orange border Honus Wagner cards are fantastic, Jesus I’d love to have one. Thanks for the video
Let me know if you ever see one come up
Hi, have over a 1000 cards new collector about 3 yrs. I have some vintage but I have what looks like a black and white photo of babe and don't have any info. Could I send a picture to you.? I was told one time it was a inset card. Was afraid to send it to be graded. Thank you joan
Send away!
Dave what is your opinion of PSA buying SGC?
No opinion other than I hope they keep the sgc brand intact
In my life at this point it's the $$. I enjoy studying players from pre war but the cards are pricey!!
….they are
Beautiful cards Dave! I think in addition to the learning curve for pre-war, I think the rarity/price (maybe not for common cards but definitely for HOFers) puts those cards out of reach for most collectors like myself.
But within each of those issues there are tons of other players. You don’t have to collect Ruth, Cobb etc. plenty of other HOF ( or non HOF) to choose from😃
@@Bluejacket66 I guess I just assumed that cards of any player would be expensive because of how rare some of the sets are. But I’m sure that some sets are harder to find than others. You just don’t think that there could be many of those cards given how old they are (with the exception of T206 and T207). But that’s where educating yourself is important.
I knew that the Leaf Paige was going to make the list 😊 I have a tee shirt with that card on it. Good stuff Dave 🤘🤘
It’s one of my Favs!!!
NOT TERRIFIED JUST ALL OVER PRICED STOPPED 3 YEARS AGO FROM PURCHASING CARDS HAVE MANY COMPLETE SETS FROM BEFORE WWI BUT PRICES ARE OUT OF CONTROL
They are super high for some players, but lots of prewar players/ issues very very “ affordable” in comparison
This is the video I have been waiting for.
I desire to collect pre-war but lack the knowledge, and i am cautious to get in.
I will get the Vintage Baseball Cards book.
Thanks 👍
That’s a great start. Also check out prewar cards.com and oldcardboard
If I ever have a question or info on something I go to google…. Type in the topic and add “ net54”- that will lead you to forum conversations by the most knowledgeable people in the hobby
Funny thing, as time goes on I have less and less interest in pre war vintage and the players of that era. Perhaps my feelings have changed because it was pre integration and the talent level is so much higher in today’s game. I’ve had many conversations with friends about how a division one high school baseball team could probably defeat a pre-integration pre-war MLB baseball team. With that said it’s all relative and the history of pre war is eloquently preserved in cards from that era.
Interesting insight to say the least
Tray Piner, gotta look him up. 😂 I like collecting pre war. So many sizes and an eclectic array of brands. There's something innocent about the era since cards weren't produced for profit in and of themselves. But rather as "gimmicks" to sell other products.
Is that what I said?😂
@@Bluejacket66 I knew who you meant. Best 3rd baseman of all time for many years.
Tray Piner bro. One of the greatest 3 basers ever 😁 never knew how much i say what i didn't mean until i started recording videos
Nice history lesson. But these cards are not for the average collector.
Maybe not the specific players. Lots of other players within the issues
You say you can’t understand why some people collect post-war but not pre-war. You point to the players being great both ways. That may be true, though pre-war is the segregationist era and that can make a difference in interest. But with a focus on the cards versus the players, I personally find very few pre-war cards of interest. I find the portraits to be poorly done versus the art and color pictures of post-war. Take for one the 1933 Ruth cards. If you look closely the detail is poor. The green Ruth is better, but with that brown baseball cap. A few Batter-Up cards are nice, the Grive and Hubbell with the actual pictures. A few others are relatively OK, the T206 green Cobb and Johnson portrait, the 1934 Gehrig portrait. But overall to me they simply aren’t worth collecting like post-war. The level of difficulty theory I think is wrong and does sound pretentious. If you want to collect the T206 Collins, one of the other mover pre-war cards, fine, but a segregationist who as Red Sox general manager made sure Jackie Robinson didn’t have a chance in his just after WW II workout. A lot of the minor “29s issues are especially silky bad and the Play Ball cards mostly have terrible black and white pictures or in distinct color pictures. Most of the T206 portraits aren’t that great - though the Wagner is nice - and don’t have the great post-war backs. But anyway, each to their own, but please give it a rest that the lesser interest in pre-war has something to do with lacking your superior knowledge. They’re not a level up in understanding, give me a break.
I disagree , pretty much in every point. To each their own I simply was/ am trying to encourage those that might want to delve into prewar to do so.
Happy collecting
I would assume at least some of what you don't disagree with include: 1.) the pre-WWII era is the segregationist era - no black competition for Ruth, Cobb, etc., and many of the players were racists. I find it fascinating how the same collector who reveres Jackie Robinson and won't collect O.J. Simpson for moral reasons have no problem collecting cards of players like those of Eddie Collins despite their efforts to keep the game segregated, 2.) that most people (rightly so) collect cards based on eye appeal, not technical knowledge, and most people have sufficient eyesight and related discretion to make the same determination you might make that way without having to consult a technical guide, 3.) that pre-War cards generally don't have the detailed statistical and informational backs of post-WWII cards, 4.) that many pre-WWII issues rely on black and white pictures and the rest rely on colorized versions. If you consider those colorized versions, like the 1933 Goudey Ruth yellow and red, to be great representations, then more power to you and happy collecting as well - it is all in the eye of the beholder. I have to say some of the '33 Goudey and T206 cards at least have nice, bright backgrounds on the front - but for me that isn't enough to really get into collecting them. Aside from the mentioned '34 Batter Up Grove and Hubbell, I have to say the '40 Play Ball Williams black and white picture is fairly good. A further technical understanding wouldn't/won't change my perspective on this, I can buy them without fear if I do select some of them, but again more power to you with collecting what you like and for the reasons you like them. P.S.: That '52 Mays really is nice, as you say, congratulations on figuring out that was one to get!
Happy collecting!
D304 Cobb and 15CJ W.J. are a couple of grails for me, with the latter being the more realistic add someday.
I love the Johnson windup. I wonder if perhaps it’s time to make a move as he could be the next og to explode
@@Bluejacket66 "Explode" may be slightly hyperbolic, but certainly an increasing appreciation of classic vintage cards like that could move the needle a little bit. Wait, never mind. Haven't you heard that "vintage" is the next big market segment to tank? Says the contingent of sports card know-nothings that own none it and feel the need to disparage it.🤪
Prewar collecting is the ultimate adrenaline rush! Holding some of these beauties in hand is like no other. Something that is 100+ years old is somehow more rewarding than something that is only 75 years old and much, much less scarce. Thanks for always bringing awareness Dave.
I just saw the production numbers of 1949 bowman cards…. 76,000,000
That’s 316,000 cards of each player
Imagine later Topps numbers
75 years is a long time to someone, that is 35. But 35, is ''old'' to someone who's only 12 or 13, but I understand your point.
You were asking why someone might be interested in modern day players or something to that effect. My answer would be because when I fell in love with the game of baseball there was a young rookie by the of Mark McGwire and my Grandpa would take me to games about once a week and we'd listen to the A's on the radio and watch when they were on TV. Mac became my hero and my Grandpa loved him too. It was easier for me to collect a player I felt like I related to and had opportunities to watch all the time. I didn't realize it at the time, but looking back I had this bond with my Grandpa through the A's and McGwire. As I got older and became a student of the game, I did read and learn about players of the past, but when you're a teenager and playing at a high level of high school ball, I didn't have the income to buy vintage cards. McGwire and other players of the 90s were attainable though.... Fast forward thirty years later and i finally have the means to buy some of the expensive low print run McGwires, so naturally I'm going to gravitate towards those cards of my childhood hero. I'll also add that I don't hate the modern game of baseball like many people do. I have always watched as many games as I possibly could. I know I take it to the extreme, but I watch baseball everyday and it's not uncommon for me to watch three or four different different games in one day, (I even watch some college baseball). I hope that answers your question, haha. Now I am very much a fan of vintage baseball cards, and I will splurge from time to time, but since McGwire takes up a majority of my budget, I don't buy as much vintage as I wish I could. Don't take this statement wrong, I love baseball cards, but I love the game of baseball even more.
What I meant to express was the reason many avoid prewar. What I failed to do is separate the upper tier HOF players from the more mundane players. I agree the allure to collecting players you watched and grew up watching is very strong. As it should be!!!
Full disclosure I’ve had little to no interest in baseball since 1985 as it’s incredibly boring and the players have no character or appeal . I did enjoy the McGwire / Sosa run and watching Pujols career. However after watching Clemente, r Jackson, Bench, Aaron etc etc… there is no reason to even try to engage todays game
@@Bluejacket66In a way I think it's kind of sad and I feel you missed out on some things. I can't remember who said this, but it was somebody that played with both Mays and Griffey, and they said watching Griffey play was like watching Mays play.
I do have a question, and it might sound silly that I don't know this. I've heard prewar both considered WW1 and WW2. What is the correct answer? If it's WW1, I have no interest in cards from the "dead ball" era. It's just a completely different boring game in my opinion. Babe Ruth made the game of baseball exciting. I'm sure many people agree.
@@bigmacfanatic25 rewarding generally considered pre ww2
@@Bluejacket66 maybe we can talk about it a bit at The National!
Something I've noticed is people are afraid of expanding to rare issues because there are no "comps" lots of times. I enjoy buying and occasionally selling original photos, and see the same thing there. People are scared to expand out of their Topps and Bowman Shells. I find it extremely boring and could never collect like that but I imagine its because they want to sell one day and want it to be easy. I really like single player collectors and "one card from every set" collectors, they both always seem to have a wide array of cards.
Good thoughts Lucas. There is something to be said for a comfort zone… buts it’s also good to get out of it
Thinking of you, and other collectors in the tornado ravaged zones. 😮
Hope everyone is safe. 👍🫣🤕
Tornados??