I first saw Siemens Taurus on the cover of my high school physics textbook. It's like love at first sight. I didn't know who manufactured or operated them, or how's the performance, but i already know it's a beautiful and marvellous piece of engineering.
Siemens = constructor and owner at the moment of the speed test IGE GmbH = operator and organizator of the test run ÖBB = customer, who the locomotive was sold to later
Looks like 221.8 MPH to me. Very impressive. Handsome locomotive. An ES 64 version (ACS-64) is coming to America in 2013 for Amtrak on the northeast corridor to replace the aging 30 year old 7000 horsepower AEM-7 toasters and reported unreliable HHP-8s. The ACS 64 is believed to have 8,600 horsepower with regenerative braking. This puts power back on the supply system (catenary).
I think thats the PZB Vmax. The Trains Vmax is at 230km/h. The PZB Vmax just means that after that speed they need to use the LZB Saftey System instead of hte PZB.
The TGV (a train set) was heavily tuned, this is just a standard locomotive. The highest untuned non maglev train set is the Siemens Velaro (chinese version) based on the ICE 3.
@gabzos: this test was done with a standard version of the "taurus" on a standard rail track, hence the record for serial production trains. the tgv that did 547kph was tuned and ran on specially prepared tracks...
You're right, of course. I don't know what I was thinking. Even my vacuum cleaner has a 2 kW motor, so 6,3 kW would probably not be enough for a locomotive. :D
Wie krank das einfach is dass Menschen nur mit dem was sie beim buddeln inna Erde gefunden haben, solche Teile gebastelt haben :D Ich mein die Lok besteht aus nen paar Erzen, vermutlich Rohölprodukten und ein paar Nichtmetallen.
Echt spannendes Video ! Die Jungs auf dem Führeerstand hatten sicher viel Spaß und waren hinterher wohl mit Recht 'Stolz wie Oskar' ! "Erst ab der Lärmschutz-Wand dürfen wir voll beschleunigen.." => Das ist sooo deutsch ;-)) Glückwunsch nachträglich an alle Beteiligten und dem Poster einen riesigen Dank fürs Einstellen; 5 Sterne - mindestens... !!!
It is 6,4MW and they raised it to 7,3MW listen from 1:20 to 1:24 they say 7,3 Mega Watt, the normal power is 6400kW. 6,4kW or 7,3 kW is not much for a motor, definetly for a locomotive. I worked with 1kW motors and they are very small. quote "ES 64 U4 = EuroSprinter, 6400 kW, multi-purpose (universal), multi-system (15kV/25kV AC + 1,5kV/3kV DC) " from railcolor.
Sorry, someone else pointed out my error regarding the units. Of course, you were correctly using MW as the unit. I don't know what I was thinking. A locomotive would be ridicuously underpowered with a 6,3 kW motor. :D
the French locomotives were modified heavily for the record attempt, this one was totally unmodified (unlike most engines/trainsets which attempt speed records), they could've grabbed another of the same class and did it if they wanted to.
@superdau No they didn't. Look closer please at 1:02. This is what they had on the locomotive: "V 3" This means they knew they were going to reach some speed in the 300km+ range, they just didn't know what speed exactly.
it is only 26 km h more than the record achieved in 1955 with two different models of french locomotives. At the time the locomotives pulling four cars. There is only one car ... it is not so extraordinary that!! France has a tendency of swapping to power bogies with larger drivers under the lok, as well as overvolting the line and changing power equipment to handle the higher line voltage. Think of it as overclocking, in a sense. This Taurus was unovervolted and unmodified when it ran, yes with less weight, but not modified at all.
Das ist wirklich erstaunlich denn die Taurus ist soweit ich weiß auf 230 km/h vmax zugelassen und der angehängte wagen auf 200. da muss der verschleiß bei dieser rekordfahrt doch ordentlich gewesen sein.
Well, maybe consider putting them on HS lines where the speed of the trains could potentially be increased to 250 or 300km/h. I think it'd do just fine on a HSL
I think thats the PZB Vmax. The Trains Vmax is at 230km/h. The PZB Vmax just means that after that speed they need to use the LZB Saftey System instead of the PZB. XD
@looneyirish This is a record for a locomotive not a multiple unit such as the TGV. OK, it.s not loaded but still fast for somrthing that pulls coal trucks or containers.
@shtzi hallo ! Einschuldigung, ich spreche nicht gut deutsch, so ich werde sprechen in Englisch. Danke schön. :-s I just wrote that for fun, the hazard made the same number in different speed units, nothing more ! ^^ don't worry, I also applause the Eurosprinter performance ! and I really prefer the comfort in the ICE trains ! for example, I prefer to take an Interregio during 7 hours instead of break my back on a tgv seat for 4 hours !
Imagine.. you are on the german Autobahn with your Lamborghini or Ferrari at 320 kmh and then you see a normal passenger train wich is faster than you.
Dear German train lovers: lCE4 pride of Germany. lCE, known as high speed train. lf siemens taurus capable 350km/h speed, Why sirmens lCE speed 300km/h. very strange
Thats not true. It has all systems to be allowed to pull freight + a universal screw coupler which freight and coaches use. Its a universal locomotive that can pull anything.
Wäre sie aerodynamisch nochmal schneller, wenn man zumindest noch zwei zusätzliche Wägen ran hängte, im Sinne von Länge läuft oder würden in diesem Fall Reibungsverluste, Lager- und Rollwiderstände schwerer zu Buche schlagen als es aerodynamischen Vorteil brächte? Oder ist es bei dem Querschnitt/Länge-Verhältnis bereits ab einer Loklänge irrelevant. Irritierend auch, dass eine solch schnelle Lok nicht aerodynamischer verkleidet ist.
Bitte nicht vergessen, das die vorteilhafte Frontgestaltung bei einer Lok dann beidseitig sein muss, weil sie in beide Richtungen fährt. Anders als bei den Triebköpfen der Triebzüge... Was man "vorne" gewinnt, verliert man dann "hinten" bei dem Übegang zum Wagenpark... RB Lokbi Z. i.R. (ehemaliger Lokf. im Versuchsdienst)
1) Dir scheint nicht klar zu sein, dass ein Sprecher keinen Einfluss auf den Inhalt des Gesprochenen hat. Der liest, was man ihm vorlegt. 2) Was ist Deiner Meinung nach so falsch an der Aussage? Es dürfte eine Tatsache sein, dass der Geräuschpegel mit zunehmender Geschwindigkeit steigt. Das Wort "analog" ist an dieser Stelle allerdings ungenau (und eigentlich überflüssig).
Not sure what you're trying to say. Regular power is 6,4 kW (not MW, that would be a bit much for a locomotive). They raised it to 7,3 kW for the world speed record.
@@jasmienkomugi9026 Hi there Jasmien, Yes it was Alstom. I think it was a V-150, but it wasn't a standard one. It was modified to run with double the power that the standard V150 had, and had larger wheels. [EDIT: Yes it was; www.cbc.ca/news/world/french-train-breaks-speed-record-1.650346 ]
@@Treviscoe Ah that record right. Im asking myself right now. As the article you sent is from 2007 and the record of the Taurus was 2006 did the Taurus actually come first or is that article just late?
@@jasmienkomugi9026 Hi again Jasmien; The Taurus record did come first, in September 2006. The French (Alstom) record was set on the 3rd April 2007. Also the Taurus train (that set the record in this video) was unmodified, the Alstom train wasn't.
Jan LP Da die Anzeige halbe km/h mutmaßlich rundet, kann man erst bei angezeigten 358 km/h (also einer tatsächlichen Geschwindigkeit von >= 357,5 km/h) davon ausgehen, dass man tatsächlich 357 km/h erreicht hat. Ansonsten könnten es bei angezeigeten 357 km/h ja auch nur tatsächliche 356,5 km/h gewesen sein. Mal unterstellt, dass die Anzeige absolut genau geht. Was eher unwahrscheinlich ist, aber egal.
Die Lok hätte auch mehr geschafft man sieht auch das sie es schafft bei 4:10 springt die Anzeige noch auf 358 km/h während die Kamera weggedreht wird naja die 357 km/h wahren halt schon so geplant
I first saw Siemens Taurus on the cover of my high school physics textbook. It's like love at first sight. I didn't know who manufactured or operated them, or how's the performance, but i already know it's a beautiful and marvellous piece of engineering.
They were made in 1999@BTRFanboy
Siemens = constructor and owner at the moment of the speed test
IGE GmbH = operator and organizator of the test run
ÖBB = customer, who the locomotive was sold to later
Öbb= Austria Train Group (not Australia)
pre-production/prototype taurus?
@@wsx2000lol Production. It was sold to ÖBB after, and is in daily use today.
@@davidexeli6433 Actually its Austrian Federal Railways. Not Austria Train Group
Looks like 221.8 MPH to me. Very impressive. Handsome locomotive. An ES 64 version (ACS-64) is coming to America in 2013 for Amtrak on the northeast corridor to replace the aging 30 year old 7000 horsepower AEM-7 toasters and reported unreliable HHP-8s. The ACS 64 is believed to have 8,600 horsepower with regenerative braking. This puts power back on the supply system (catenary).
Wow that comment is old
MPH or KPH recently doesn't matter, both loco (Taurus) and train (TGV) both went faster, in one case MUCH faster than a formula 1 racer. Remarkable!
Amazing! At 4.20, you can see a sign "Vmax 160 km/h"!!
I think thats the PZB Vmax. The Trains Vmax is at 230km/h. The PZB Vmax just means that after that speed they need to use the LZB Saftey System instead of hte PZB.
357 km/h ＝ 5.95 km/min
wooo so cool !!
Siemens Taurus : 357 km/h
Alstom TGV V150 : 574.8 km/h
These two are my favourite
The difference. The Taurus ist just 1 Locomotive. The TGV is a train set...
The TGV (a train set) was heavily tuned, this is just a standard locomotive. The highest untuned non maglev train set is the Siemens Velaro (chinese version) based on the ICE 3.
Starkes Video, Daumen hoch!
Ist schon Wahnsinn wie der Taurus abgeht
TGV = Triebwagen
1216= Lokomotive!
1216 = Lokomotive!
TGV = Triebzug!
Eurosprinter : 357 km/h
TGV : 357 Mp/h !
so cool ^^
357 kmh - Taurus Rh...
4:12 GREAT JOB! YOU PUSHED THE STICK TO THE FRONT!!!
@gabzos: this test was done with a standard version of the "taurus" on a standard rail track, hence the record for serial production trains.
the tgv that did 547kph was tuned and ran on specially prepared tracks...
This was an high speed line btw and the speed record of the tgv in 2007 world record was 574.8 km/h
You're right, of course. I don't know what I was thinking. Even my vacuum cleaner has a 2 kW motor, so 6,3 kW would probably not be enough for a locomotive. :D
Wie krank das einfach is dass Menschen nur mit dem was sie beim buddeln inna Erde gefunden haben, solche Teile gebastelt haben :D Ich mein die Lok besteht aus nen paar Erzen, vermutlich Rohölprodukten und ein paar Nichtmetallen.
Ja, und die Lok besteht noch aus etwas Engineering :)
@superdau It was designed mainly for pulling very heavy freight trains for the ÖBB. But as it is so universal it is also used for passenger trains.
TGV is a train but Taurus is a locomotive...This is the best loco in the world.
36 km/h in 51 years (1955 SNCF 331 KM/h)
Ale prawym torem jechali co u Niemców nie do pomyślenia :-)
i wanted to say the same. hahah
@bonan960623
This locomotive is also used for heavy freigth. It was planned to be universal from the beginning.
Echt spannendes Video ! Die Jungs auf dem Führeerstand hatten sicher viel Spaß und waren hinterher wohl mit Recht 'Stolz wie Oskar' !
"Erst ab der Lärmschutz-Wand dürfen wir voll beschleunigen.." => Das ist sooo deutsch ;-))
Glückwunsch nachträglich an alle Beteiligten und dem Poster einen riesigen Dank fürs Einstellen; 5 Sterne - mindestens... !!!
It is 6,4MW and they raised it to 7,3MW listen from 1:20 to 1:24 they say 7,3 Mega Watt, the normal power is 6400kW. 6,4kW or 7,3 kW is not much for a motor, definetly for a locomotive. I worked with 1kW motors and they are very small. quote "ES 64 U4 = EuroSprinter, 6400 kW, multi-purpose (universal), multi-system (15kV/25kV AC + 1,5kV/3kV DC) " from railcolor.
una locomotiva straordinaria
la più bella del mondo
saluti dall' italia!!!!!!!!
RESPECT OBB!
Um it’s actually Db mate
Das ist EINE E-Lok Taurus, die schnellste E Lok der Welt, ein TGV ist keine einzelne E Lok, der Weltrekord ist und bleibt beim Taurus
Can't believe that this non-streamlined locomotive can be this fast! and beat American Classic Streamliners.
Same for the HS2 which will go 330km/h (205mph).
Remember, the TGV has alot more engines than a taurus and it is not a locomotive.
Toll dass der Weltrekord in Deutschland geschehen ist!
Grandissimi.
I am Indian. I like very much engine. Wow what a engine. I love this.
Also, where did this take place? What line?
Super Vidoe und Super Taurus
Хорош локомотив, отлично.
Sorry, someone else pointed out my error regarding the units. Of course, you were correctly using MW as the unit. I don't know what I was thinking. A locomotive would be ridicuously underpowered with a 6,3 kW motor. :D
Ist das die Schnellfahrstrecke Frankfurt-Köln?
4:30 It's now time on Sprockets that we dance...DANCE!!!!
You're right but the french engines were designed in the 50's...
The german record is still impressive though.
Toll!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the French locomotives were modified heavily for the record attempt, this one was totally unmodified (unlike most engines/trainsets which attempt speed records), they could've grabbed another of the same class and did it if they wanted to.
Der Taurus ist auch modificiert.Der TGV kann viel schneller fahren aber die hochleitung macht da nicht mehr mit
Das gefällt mir.
@superdau No they didn't. Look closer please at 1:02.
This is what they had on the locomotive: "V 3"
This means they knew they were going to reach some speed in the 300km+ range, they just didn't know what speed exactly.
@looneyirish
Nope, 357 mph is indeed 574 kmh. And gabzos2 just made the comparison of the two record speeds. Same numbers but different units.
Actually 357 KMH was around 222 MPH
Wenn dann demnächst Inlandflüge verboten sind und man auf Autobahnen nurnoch 130 km/h fahren darf, ist das das Mittel der Wahl.
Its cool. Thanks.
super danke :)
lol en France on a fait presque pareil mais 50 ans avant Record vitesse sur rail SNCF 1955 - Part 1
it is only 26 km h more than the record achieved in 1955 with two different models of french locomotives. At the time the locomotives pulling four cars. There is only one car ... it is not so extraordinary that!!
France has a tendency of swapping to power bogies with larger drivers under the lok, as well as overvolting the line and changing power equipment to handle the higher line voltage. Think of it as overclocking, in a sense. This Taurus was unovervolted and unmodified when it ran, yes with less weight, but not modified at all.
La CC 7121 était strictement de série et les CC 7107/BB 9004 avaient de légères modifs, je ne vois pas où est l'exploit de la Taurus 😂
Die 230 km/h resultieren aus diversen Sicherheitsvorschriften und Zulassungsbedingungen. Technisch geht wesentlich mehr.
the main locomotive of the ÖBB (Austria)
Witam!!!
Super pasja, super filmik. Ciekawe kiedy u nas będą takie pociągi.
Pozdrowienia z Polski i 5/5.
mamy 200 km/h! xdd
Taurusy mamy. Ale na 3kV to nieosiągalne. 25kV albo 15kV to co innego.
już dawno są tylko trakcji brak.
@looneyirish I did think 1 mile is 1,6093 km
am I wrong ? -_-
wo war das ?
Eight in the cab?
These locs are very cool, just the same speed as a normal highspeedtrain, unfortunately we don't have them here!
5*+favourite
not as efficent at high speeds tho
Das ist wirklich erstaunlich denn die Taurus ist soweit ich weiß auf 230 km/h vmax zugelassen und der angehängte wagen auf 200. da muss der verschleiß bei dieser rekordfahrt doch ordentlich gewesen sein.
Well, maybe consider putting them on HS lines where the speed of the trains could potentially be increased to 250 or 300km/h. I think it'd do just fine on a HSL
@gabzos2
you're right. Thats quite weird !!
look good at 4:19 it says max 160 km/h wow nice!
I think thats the PZB Vmax. The Trains Vmax is at 230km/h. The PZB Vmax just means that after that speed they need to use the LZB Saftey System instead of the PZB. XD
@looneyirish This is a record for a locomotive not a multiple unit such as the TGV. OK, it.s not loaded but still fast for somrthing that pulls coal trucks or containers.
schnell... sehr schnell :D
@shtzi hallo !
Einschuldigung, ich spreche nicht gut deutsch, so ich werde sprechen in Englisch. Danke schön. :-s
I just wrote that for fun, the hazard made the same number in different speed units, nothing more ! ^^
don't worry, I also applause the Eurosprinter performance ! and I really prefer the comfort in the ICE trains ! for example, I prefer to take an Interregio during 7 hours instead of break my back on a tgv seat for 4 hours !
This is faster than Japan’s Shinkansen with 300 kph
Shinkansen E5 and E6 can go over 400kph but limited to 320kph
Imagine.. you are on the german Autobahn with your Lamborghini or Ferrari at 320 kmh and then you see a normal passenger train wich is faster than you.
That is More Faster Than Korea Train Express ver 1 and 2!!!
Pity us Americans that are "too poor" to advance our own trains to even 160 km/h in our most used corridors when Europe can do something like this!
hi, the movies is excellent, thanks ★★★★★
Germany?
Dear German train lovers:
lCE4 pride of Germany. lCE, known as high speed train. lf siemens taurus capable 350km/h speed, Why sirmens lCE speed 300km/h. very strange
@MrCagivaman
This is an express passenger locomotive, not suitable for freight trains.
Thats not true. It has all systems to be allowed to pull freight + a universal screw coupler which freight and coaches use. Its a universal locomotive that can pull anything.
OBB
@gabzos2 its a world record for a single powered unit
Correct trains such as the Shinkansen use multiple units.
Wäre sie aerodynamisch nochmal schneller, wenn man zumindest noch zwei zusätzliche Wägen ran hängte, im Sinne von Länge läuft oder würden in diesem Fall Reibungsverluste, Lager- und Rollwiderstände schwerer zu Buche schlagen als es aerodynamischen Vorteil brächte? Oder ist es bei dem Querschnitt/Länge-Verhältnis bereits ab einer Loklänge irrelevant. Irritierend auch, dass eine solch schnelle Lok nicht aerodynamischer verkleidet ist.
Bitte nicht vergessen, das die vorteilhafte Frontgestaltung bei einer Lok dann beidseitig sein muss, weil sie in beide Richtungen fährt. Anders als bei den Triebköpfen der Triebzüge... Was man "vorne" gewinnt, verliert man dann "hinten" bei dem Übegang zum Wagenpark...
RB Lokbi Z. i.R. (ehemaliger Lokf. im Versuchsdienst)
Mein "weiblicher" Nickname täuscht!!)
good
Wow and Amtrak are buying some vectron based locomotives heh
looks unreal to see a normal train go this fast
the real mvp would be that passenger car tho
Exactly I bet the suspension was pushed to the limit.
unter Ausnutzung der Lok!
liebe
@gabzos2 You are quiet right.
i Like Trains
Bitte als DB ICSE/ICTE einführen. Dann machst du selbst den schnellsten ICE Konkurrenz 😂. (ICTE = InterCityTaurusExpress/ICSE = InterCitySuperExpress)
ja toll beim tgv handelt es sich ja auch um einen komplettzug und nicht um eine lok sonden um einen triebkopf
i saw 358 o_O
4:11 358 km/h lol
Die einzige zeigt 358 einer der Herren im Führerhaus redet ich habe 360 gesehen...
Ein ICE Testzug hat auf seiner Testfahrt 368 geschafft
When she home alone
absolute genial ABER ein Shinkansen mhh egal -> Taurus + Railjet = Traumzug
1) Dir scheint nicht klar zu sein, dass ein Sprecher keinen Einfluss auf den Inhalt des Gesprochenen hat. Der liest, was man ihm vorlegt.
2) Was ist Deiner Meinung nach so falsch an der Aussage? Es dürfte eine Tatsache sein, dass der Geräuschpegel mit zunehmender Geschwindigkeit steigt. Das Wort "analog" ist an dieser Stelle allerdings ungenau (und eigentlich überflüssig).
The ÖBB was only the customer and new owner of the locomotive built by Siemens, a german company for à record established in...Germany...;)
ÖBB Lok halt....gg
Der Kollege mit dem Mikro ist aber auch nicht die hellste Kerze auf der Torte 😂
@bonan960623 I bet the day will come where it's seen standing in for something and pulling freight
Thats its main job these days. Next to pulling railjet and Regional Trains XD
e bravi
Not sure what you're trying to say.
Regular power is 6,4 kW (not MW, that would be a bit much for a locomotive). They raised it to 7,3 kW for the world speed record.
The locomotive can basically only use 7.3 MW for a short time
7,3 mega watt? wtf is wrong with them?! max power is 6,4MW and nothing more (ES64...). 64 refers to this
It was modified a tiny bit so it could run faster than 230km/h. This was one part that needed to be modifed
Whne Altom registered their new record 570 or something) they didnt even look as nervious as this guys, probably the music is playing me a trick.
Do you mean Alstom? And what train did they do this record in?
@@jasmienkomugi9026 Hi there Jasmien,
Yes it was Alstom. I think it was a V-150, but it wasn't a standard one. It was modified to run with double the power that the standard V150 had, and had larger wheels.
[EDIT: Yes it was;
www.cbc.ca/news/world/french-train-breaks-speed-record-1.650346
]
@@Treviscoe Ah that record right. Im asking myself right now. As the article you sent is from 2007 and the record of the Taurus was 2006 did the Taurus actually come first or is that article just late?
@@jasmienkomugi9026
Hi again Jasmien;
The Taurus record did come first, in September 2006. The French (Alstom) record was set on the 3rd April 2007.
Also the Taurus train (that set the record in this video) was unmodified, the Alstom train wasn't.
@@Treviscoe Ah ok. I heard there was a small modification on teh Taurus tho I think. Mostly to allow it to get past 230 I think
Serienlok? Umgabaute Serienlok!
Die Lok hatte kurz 358km/h
Jan LP Da die Anzeige halbe km/h mutmaßlich rundet, kann man erst bei angezeigten 358 km/h (also einer tatsächlichen Geschwindigkeit von >= 357,5 km/h) davon ausgehen, dass man tatsächlich 357 km/h erreicht hat. Ansonsten könnten es bei angezeigeten 357 km/h ja auch nur tatsächliche 356,5 km/h gewesen sein. Mal unterstellt, dass die Anzeige absolut genau geht. Was eher unwahrscheinlich ist, aber egal.
insane.........but cool
Die Lok hätte auch mehr geschafft
man sieht auch das sie es schafft bei 4:10 springt die Anzeige noch auf 358 km/h während die Kamera weggedreht wird
naja die 357 km/h wahren halt schon so geplant
Ja Hauptsache Rekord gebrochen.. ist ja schön und toll. Aber die man sollte besser die Pünktlichkeit der DB verbessern😂