Von Richthofen and Brown (1971)
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- Von Richthofen and Brown, also known as The Red Baron, is a 1971 war film directed by Roger Corman, and starring John Phillip Law and Don Stroud as the title characters. Although names of real people are used, the story by Joyce Hooper Corrington and John William Corrington is largely fictional.
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Back in 1990. I was on the subway in Toronto, and I had the honour of meeting a WW1 Veteran. Even then it was rare, as all of these veterans were in their 90s. I remember how small he looked as we talked. He had no issues in talking about the war, he recalled Paschendale like it was yesterday. I asked him with all sincerity, what was his strongest memory? he said the mud and how long and cold the nights were. Before we departed he stated that it was all like a dream and that he remembers being seventeen in the trenches like it was yesterday
It would be an honour to speak to this wonderful veteran.❤
WOW, wish I could’ve listened to him, I have SO much respect for those vets & WW2 is the most fascinating of our times!! Great story, thank you for sharing
REAL planes and action beats CGI anytime! 🎥 👏
Roger Corman!!!
These old movies are better then anythingHollywood put out the last 30 years.
Васильевич Доронин Иван I like older movies better
Amen.
No
You’re wrong, the German empire and the kaiser was wrongly portrayed in the movie, fitting the western liberal view in lies.
Movies from Hollywood are crap. British Indian Russian Canadian film's are the ones to watch. Don't waste your time with American. There television sucks also. So stupid.
I don't care how accurate this flaming MOVIE is, the air fights are fantastic to watch! For accuracy, one can always read a history book.
History could be inaccurate too, don't you agree? Historys are written by victors most of the times!
56:10 Notice how easily he reaches for the machine gun handle while maneuvering a loop and barrel roll? Very difficult to get that arm to do that under those G forces.
@@lalthanzualahauhnar4003 True but there are a lot of interviews with the losers that confirm some of the history books. I.E. Japanese soldiers and pilots, German soldiers, American soldiers who lost the War on Terror (haven't seen that history written by the victors, although they are spreading their stories).
Thank you very much. I'm an old aerodynamics freak. I'm just old now. 68" ww1 was awesome seat of the pants real flying.
Some years back I visited Richthofen’s burial site in Wiesbaden. I dont know why but Im glad I did. Very nice site,surrounded by his family.
Could you give me more information about the last generation/descendants of the Richthofens?
He was a great, very brave man. Probably the most well known military person around the world. He was our enemy but I have great respect for him. 👍❤️🇨🇦
@@princessmarshellaaur have you done a search on their genealogy. They are a very prominent family so I’m sure it’s out there somewhere as someone most likely has done it. has done this. I have been doing my genealogy for 35 years so was just wondering. I can help you find them if you want some help.
I would like to visit it one day. Poor guy's grave got moved around all over the place, due to the proximity to the Berlin Wall and the German East/West tensions rising and falling.
@summer45able
Actually, we (the USA) were His enemy...he was never our enemy by choice.
Germany had already defeated England and agreed to exert no punishment: just return to the way things were before England started the war.
Zionists approached the Crown and assured the U.K. that they could STILL win if the USA got involved...
USA was still approx 25% of German descent at the time and not hostile about Germany...until the Rothschild Central Bankers of the City of London assigned their Mainstream Media to produce vitriolic propaganda about evil Germans... which effectively turned US public opinion against Germany.
(Btw: As to the "sinking of the Lusitania"...it was indeed a spy & war ship...not a commercial passenger ship)
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England provoked the USA to enter the war to defeat Germany for their London Central Bankers
In exchange for the idea that gave them the new outcome, the Zionists demanded that England seize Arab land in the Middle East and establish a nonbiblical Zion : their payoff.
(For what any red pill may be worth to you - I just provided another red pill.)
I want to thank you for uploading this film. Many would complain about its quality but it seems nobody has uploaded it from a better source so far, so, we must be grateful. If I find a better version, I will come back and share it with you.
thank you so much for postimg this.
Thanks for uploading! I taped this on our betamax recorder when I was a kid. I must have watched it a lot until the tape got worn out.
:)
Love this movie!!! No CGI here folks... all of the planes and action sequences are shot on film. BRAVO ROGER CORMAN!!!
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Jim Jones the flying way better
DIESES BARON VON RICHTHOFEN FILM IST PHANTASTISCH UND WUNDERBAR ! VIELEN DANK !
For the time this was made, it had some pretty good camera work. so +100 points :D
Yes, good back projection, I wonder how they did it all.
Ok, no or little back projection, the two main actors were trained to fly planes according to wikipedia with stunt pilots doing the fight sequences.
For the time? 1971 was not exactly the dark ages. I remember it well. We had electricity and telephones. We even had horseless carriages.
@@davidzof correct
@@violinoscar And good music
8:48 that drift though
Brown was a Canadian pilot. There were many successful Canadian pilots in WWI. The most famous being Billy Bishop but the most successful Canadian and consequently Allied pilot was relatively unknown. He was Ray Collishaw who most likely shot down more Germans than any other Allied pilot. He lead an all Canadian squadron known as the Black Flight. They were incredibly successful and the mere sight of their black planes caused both fear and respect in the enemy. Collishaw was fearless and flew with uncompromising skill. He would often give a kill to a new pilot to give him confidence. He most likely had the greatest number of victories had he not willingly gave his numbers to other pilots. They shot down Richthofen’s second in command. One war story occurred in the cold of winter when the Black Flight engaged a German squadron and all of the pilots engaged in the “dance”. Not a shot was fired. Upon arriving back to base it was discovered that all of the planes suffered the same mishap. Frozen guns.
Is there an estimation of his tally? Do you think he shot down more planes than René Fonck (75)?
Except that it is well known that the Red Baron was taken down by ground fire during the low altitude aerial combat.
Meh
Don't forget Will Barker and Don MacLaren who were also outstanding canadian aces.
Collishaw, who like Richtofen also flew a triplane.
7:30 The vertical climb of the British and German aircraft in this segment are impressive.
Saw this film when it was first released during summer of '71. Loved it then. Love it now.
Wow
I remember I watched this at my local Chorlton cinema, I was 10 years old, very emotional film.
The stunt flyers in this movie ...Holy crap!
One of them is famous author Richard Bach, which he relates his experiences of in 'A Gift of Wings'
I'm still impressed that he got into a Fokker DV11 on the airfield but changed it to an albatross in mid flight. No wonder he was so famous.
von Richtofen never flew a Fokker D-VII in combat. While he promoted the design and production, he was killed before the plane was operational. During his service as a pilot, he flew the Albatross D-II, D-III, D-V and the Fokker DR-I.
@@michaeldavison274 Don't forget the Eindecker, plus in the 2-seaters as an observer on the Eastern Front.
@@GeorgeKofman64 He wasn't a pilot then, but an observer. He left the Eastern Front to become a pilot.
Not to mention that he was flying in a Phaltz converted from a Tiger Moth.
There wasnt a single albatros in the movie, it was D.VIIs Pfalz D.IIIa and the Fokker Dr. I for the germans, whole some of the aircraft were changed or painted to look the part
Thanks for posting this - I have read much about the experience of being one the movie pilots by the most eloquent of them - famous author Richard Bach. He writes about his time in the production within the anthology book 'A Gift of Wings' - and apparently did a lot of time in the Pfalz and the Se.5's.
The "Jonathon Livingston Seagull" author was a flier in this?!? Outstanding.
@@KyleCowden He lived at the end of the runway at Powerscourt in Ireland, where the collection of aircraft used in the films were stored and operated. He and the aircraft's owners were good friends
I don't know of a single Canadian who would consider themselves half-American.
Maybe a quarter 🤔 On a good day.
@@michaelhearne3289 Never, more like 0. Plus not Brit either.
Thank goodness. We’d have to degrade the quality of our beer to appease the Canuck palate.
Cheap insult. What about dual citizenship? Same goes for Brits down there.
Ive never met an American that considers himself half Canadian
I don't know whether the scene with the French farm girl and Brown really happened,but to the actors' credit and being one of the more indelible moments of the horrors of war in any film, I commend this movie for including it.Painful to watch and unforgettable.
Indelible ? It was more absurd and patronising that anything and the guy playing the Canadian was so hammy at acting !!
@@amblincork the sentiment, you wanker
@@amblincorkDon Stroud was a good actor. He was in a lot of good stuff.
top film. thanks for uploading.
When I heard a film about the Red Baron was coming out in 2008, I was very excited but it turned out to be no more accurate than Von, Richthofen and Brown from 1971. However Von Richthofen and Brown is more superior than the Red Baron if only because the later was all CGI, also the aerial camera work on Von Richthofen and Brown stands alongside that of the Blue Max. Anyway you cant beat real aircraft doing real aerial stunts against the unreal manoeuvres you get in the CGI rubbish.
I totally agree. But I think "The Red Baron" from 2008 also has a really bad screenplay.
Sure it is way more accurate to have the "Kaiser Wilhelm" say "go butcher another 40 of those Sons of bitches" the movie is absolutely hilarious painting Göring as the Bad guy and the death of Voß on the same day Richthofen was injured!! The whole "we need to start preparing vor the next war" holy shit that movie is Stupid
Visually it was fabulous. Historically it was a disaster.
One of the stunt pilots was Derek Piggott who was CFI at my gliding club
No mention of Snoopy anywhere
1:29:31 "I can't hit you, so I'll inexplicably turn so you can shoot me." But Brown couldn't hit Manfred. Took an Aussie sitting in a trench to do it.
Lies. Australian propaganda
@Cynthia Trudeau and Deserted Dave:
In all likelihood, Richthofen's DR.1 was damaged, so he landed in a field near the brickworks. At this point he may have taken a stray or deliberate machine gun round from the Australian gunners as he tried lifting himself out of the airplane. Based on the entry/exit wounds, it's safe to say that if Richthofen was shot in the air by Roy Brown, his (Richthofen's) landing would instead have been a crash, as a .303 round to the torso would have caused an instant loss of consciousness and death within a minute.
💕🍻 ...and all that other good shit from British Columbia!
He was shot down by an australian gunner ,not by Brown. This not australian propaganda.
@@vincentlefebvre9255 I'm Canadian, and I agree it is not propaganda. It is rather likely it was Popkin, or one of the other members of the Australian ground forces that fired the round that did him in.
Although, it must not be discounted that it was Brown's attacks on Richthofen, who was pursuing May, gave May enough time to keep diving away to freedom, before Richthofen could resume pursuit. By that time they were much lower, allowing the ground fire. I would call it an unintended collaborate effort.
Really, it was Richthofen who got Richthofen killed: he broke his own cardinal rules of air combat. He was obviously burnt out from constant patrols and unfocused, which led to his demise.
Maybe it was just as well Göring replaced him, as Richthofen would have been a far more formidable air strategist for the Allies to contend with in the next world war (if he had gone along with the German political power at the time).
@@oscarsalesgirl296 he was shot from the side.
That’s a mean trick - to cut it off without letting us see the end
Intentional? Yeah, probably.
@@mikewashington88 they all died happily ever after.
The butler did it.
Marlene Dietrich kills him in the courtroom after he gets off.
Love this movie. Watched hundreds of times. Largely fictional but the script is quite good
Tell us how it ends.
Geroieg is such a heel in this movie lol
My grandad acted as a soldier in this movie.😎
My grandad never saw this movie, he was a medic in WW II.
Really
He was the guy in the back dancing at 1:10:02
@@castairl9815 thanks for pointing it out, it's good movie indeed
Can’t believe that comment is 1 year old lol
I can see where they were going with this film, they tried to merge 1914-1917 altogether to try and capture the first to last events of Richtofen's career in the IGAA. It IS enjoyable to a huge extent, especially with the flying sequences, most of these planes were specially built for this movie.
I have to give it to Roger Corman, he directed this well despite the heavy inaccuracies with the Fokker D.VII's, Pfalz D.III's and the SE-5a's. Dare I say it I do like this film better than the Red Baron movie from 2008.
I can also see the aspect of putting ALL the Aces from the Imperial German Air Force together in this movie as well, again, most of these chaps who flew in WWI, especially with the likes of Hermann Goering, he didn't appear until AFTER Richtofen's death. Werner Voss was killed in a Fokker DR.I whilst flying solo over no man's land. I guess they wanted to make this movie about nearly ALL the ace pilots and their fates under one unit. Despite their deaths/survival in combat being entirely seperate from each others, they are documented quite well in this film.
I personally think that the focus on this movie was the bitter rivalry that existed between pilots on both sides, from the Gentlemanly honour givers that are the RFC to the glory grabbers and the ruthlessness of the IGAA.
You just can't enjoy the movie without a smart a** remark, could you?.............its a movie, movies are entertainment, they're to enjoy not to criticize.
Brown didn't shoot upward and from the right like Cedric P did when Cedric killed the Baron from the ground
No,just call when you can
people seem to forget he wrote a letter in the 1930's stating where he fired yet it gets ignored@@wariswrong4920
Mick Mannock had a sneering contempt for the "gentlemanly" attitude. He wanted to kill Germans and referred to his victims as "Flamerinoes". Once bounded into the mess, declaring, "Flamerinoes! Four! SIzzle, sizzle, WONK!"
Thanks for the upload. But why cut off the final part of the movie ?
Did not want Australians too steel the show!
and also cut off the start of the film. The start and end of the orginal film shown about twenty years later in the thirties when a young son of a Nazi brownshirt were put in a roundabout while his father went to the Nazi party meeting in a taravan and being looked after by a roundabout owner none other than the former comrade of the baron while waiting for his father to return.
Someone else has uploaded the end of the movie.
Thanks for great movie!
im a fan of richthofen from way back ,& saw the blue max too ,love these movies & can see nothing bad ,that,s just me ,had a book titled "the red knight" when i was quite young ,it fascinated me & i reread it many times over & cld easily recite some of the pilots ie udet
,.immellman , ,bolieki etc .great stuff
The German aircraft were originally built for "The Blue Max" and the British planes for "Darling Lili".
The British S.E.5a's are about 1:70 scale.
Some De Havilland Tiger Moths and Belgian Stampes are also used.
The actors sit in the rear seat of a Tiger Moth, actually up in the air and not in a studio.
This movie so-so, but The Blue Max is a classic !
Interesting notes, thanks
Better Stunts and special Effects than now.
Roger Corman's best film. RIP
hadnt seen this since i was a kid, thx
@43:56 The Kaiser’s left arm has miraculously healed.
From what I read on the VHS box, the plot of the story is Richthofen is an aristocrat who believes that aerial combat should be some kind of duel between gentlemen, and Brown is the opposite--he doesn't care what happens in combat just as long as he lives and the other guy dies.
Air Combat is the closest you can get in modern warfare to knights on a battlefield. Or at least it was in WWI and WWII. With technology today they can kill from miles away and never actually see who they are killing.
@@ninline2000 Interestingly/ironically enough the most successful pilots in both WWI and WWII adhered to the "minimum-effort/maximum-kill" tactic which relied on surprise, superior altitude, speed and good aiming. They wanted to avoid dogfights at all costs.
Take the most successful allied ace of WWI, René Fonck. His preferred method of downing German aircraft was the superior speed of his Spad, a surprise attack from behind and excellent marksmanship. While many considered him a tiresome braggart those who flew alongside him in a battle claimed that he was "deadly accurate" and finished off the German planes using few bullets. As such Fonck truly understood what his role as a fighter pilot is.
The German ace Erich Hartmann in WWII also considered dogfighting "a waste of time" and avoided it as much as he could. He is the all-time ace-of-aces.
Btw Medieval knights weren't so chivalrous either, unless it was a man-on-man duel for honor or "God's will" (as they believed God would make the righteous part the winner). On Medieval battlefields knights showed no pardon neither to enemy knights nor regular foot-soldiers. Downed knights were swiftly killed by thrusting a pointed dagger through the few open gaps of their armor or use some halberd to pierce the armor with brute force.
That being said one thing *is* true for WWI and WWII pilots. Since enemy planes were downed using either machine-gun or cannon fire and the pilot aimed the shots by positioning the plane the pilots had to be really good at flying and aiming - as those things were intertwined.
When air-to-air guided missiles emerged it appeared as if this skill was no longer needed since a pilot could rely on the radar looking the missile on the enemy aircraft if he got close enough. The missile then homes in on the target and it's bye-bye.
Unfortunately this turned out to be a disaster during the Vietnam War and when the pilots ran out of missiles they had difficulties fighting the enemy jets. The hard lessons learned from thinking dog fights was a thing of the past in the Vietnam War led to the establishment of United States Navy Fighter Weapons School (popular name Top Gun) in 1969.
That being said for modern jet fighters superior radar and superior missiles still is a huge advantage.
Red Baron was a gentleman in brutual war. He prob in another life was a Germanic knight fighting Muslim Raiders
Flashheart: The first thing to remember is: always treat your kite like you treat your woman!
George: Ho-how do you mean, sir? You mean, um... you mean, take her home over the weekend to meet your mother?
Flashheart: No. I mean get inside her five times a day and take her to heaven and back!
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!
@@teethadore WOOF!
Dude, I don't usually comment, but let's just say I had to like and comment this video!
What happened? Why cut the ending?!
ww1 will be remembered for the fact that vrtualy anybody could fly,even in role of rear guner,photographer,observer etc.For me the most amazing thing were two-seater aces.That was bloody tough.
The accent and talk of the flying brings to mind Kurt Wüffner from Animalympics (1980).
er, it was historically incorrect, but the aeroplanes were worth watching anyway, so many thanks for sharing it
The dogfight scenes on the end of this film were added to the movie "Revenge of the Red Baron"!!
Roger Corman wrote his book "How I made a hundred movies in Hollywood and Never Lost a Dime." He paid for one helicopter to be blown up, shooting it with about twenty cameras. He then hired editors to use this footage for at least two dozen movies. If he ever really had to spend money on a shot, you can bet he wasn't going to use it in just one movie.
Big respect to the "Red Baron" Manfred Von Reichtoffen. 👍
Werner Voss was 10 times better.
Although fictional , it is a good movie, by Corman. I love how they portrayed Captain A. Roy Brown. The only one who makes sense.
Red Baron was a German ace while Brown was a Canadian ace during First World War. British, American and French had their aces too. From our country India 7 Indian pilots were aces (5 Hindu 2 Sikh pilots). Indian soldiers won Victoria cross fighting the Krauts as well. Respects from India
One of them would be posted in Canada and met Will Barker , another famous canadian ace .
the Krauts? Oh Sam... Oh sam...
The highest U.S. ace, Rickenbacker, was a family friend of my great grandparents and grandparents.
I really liked this movie... Roger Corman made some good stuff back in the day.
Yes it was good, the Blue Max was better.
Thank you for posting this film, certainly entertaining, not history though.
It has some good and a few great flying scenes and clearly a lot of effort went into the sets and actors appearances.
A pity it does little justice to the brave men who really carried those names with a poor script and unimaginative story line.
The 'Red Baron' he was blood red and specialised in hunting easy kills, mostly slow reconnaissance planes working at low altitudes.
Brown certainly engaged Von Richthofen and is widely credited with killing him which suited the Allied news of the time.
Recent research suggests it was almost certainly Australian ground fire that did for Von Richthofen.
A grim fact : far more aircraft in all wars were lost to ground fire [flack] than to fighter combats.
No wonder I fell asleep. But I re-watched ti again.
Well thanks,maybe you can produce better?
@@M-H433the film makers have admirable skills I don't have. Where I could help is as an advisor regarding the history and insights into the characters of that period. I hope they are not discouraged, this is a learning opportunity, I'm sure their films will get better and better.
Hem! The Director , and , Producer created this Biplane Movie in 1971, which is Approximately 53 FIFTY THREE YEARS OLD.
There is at least One Other Biplane First World War Movie created at The Same Time, Possibly Two Other Similar Biplane Movie's created at the Same Time, Using The Same Biplanes, possibly using the Same Biplane Stunt Pilots,. The Blue Max. And, the Second Additional Movie Title i just cannot remember off the tip of my tongue.
But, these Biplane World War Two Movies were created and Directed + Produced in IRELAND in The 1970's, at a isolated old or former British Military Camp in Southern IRELAND.
As Flying in Biplanes takes skill, Courage + More...Many Parts Of The Flying Scenes were interesting. It was a pity that no one thought to Create a Visitors Experience with The Biplanes which remained after the Filming completed.
The Former British Camp in on the side of the Main Road, where Thousands Of Passing Vehicle's might stop for a Biplane Experience each Day, or, just for a Tea or Coffee or meal, after viewing the Remaining Biplane's.
However, Fifty Three Year's after The Film was Completed, it is just a missed opportunity.
Elsewhere around Earth such Sites draw Crowds of Visitors, which benefit's their local Economies.
Ireland has many International Film Credit's, some Directors + Producer's have even Offered the Film Sets Free to A United Community Benefit, which prevents breakup of Community, if only one person benefitted.
Such Director + Producer Offers would also Save the Film Production from the Huge Expense of deconstruction of Film Sets. Therefore Win Win Intended Community Benefit. This is mentioned because International Films are in Production in IRELAND every Year, And, A Win Win Benefit is Always Helpful to Local Communities, in 2023.
A lot to be said about this movie, including the squadrons of SE5a vs Snipes and Camels. The chronology of Voss' downing vs Richtofen's, etc. The rate of fire fr synchronized guns was another. I sat in the theater when this movie came out and thought it was the definitive history. Silly me. Still very enjoyable.
One thing I really like, having a more solid grasp of history, is that while Richtofen was an aggressive and accurate fighter, he was not a great pilot. Boelke's meeting was on a train but that they reflected his Dicta Boelke and Richtofen's "mediocre" flying was great.
Drat, the ending was cut short...
As another commenter has said the real Roy Brown wasn't like the character portrayed in this movie - at all. Brown was the exact opposite, the real Brown would probably have kicked this character out of the air force as dishonourable discharge
This was made in my home country of Ireland.
As was The Blue Max some years before
Yep, the countryside below were not of the French countryside, more like either the Irish or British countryside. Too many hedges. In France there were less hedges and more open spaces.
You have a beautiful country!
Where was ending of the red German pilot, the famous, plane in the end?
Hey, where's the rest of the movie?
got richtofened
Clickbait
Cannot do that at the end.. So what happens now (red Barron 2)
My grandad used to say "Beware of the hun in the sun" now I know why.
This movie is put together really well. Great acting and very good props.
I did not see the ending of the red German plane who was Von something? Director did poor job!
Don Stroud gives such a fine rendition.
Don Stroud is a terrible actor...no character...unemotional.
@@josephkilburn No I think he is cool
As far as I can remember this movie was made in Ireland and towards the end of filming two pilots were tragically killed. The Irish government then decided that no more movies like these would get the go ahead:The Blue Max was made in Ireland some years earlier.
Robert Townsend oh! Thank you I was terrified for them just in the opening sequence I can’t watch it now
From Wikipedia: On 15 September 1970, Charles Boddington, a veteran of both The Blue Max and Darling Lili, was killed when his S.E.5 spun in during a low-level manoeuvre over the airfield. The next day, during the last scheduled flight on the shooting schedule, Garrison and Stroud were involved in a low-level sequence across Lake Weston in a Stampe, when a jackdaw struck Garrison in the face, knocking him unconscious. The aircraft then ran through five powerlines, snap rolled and plunged into the River Liffey inverted. Garrison and Stroud were rescued from the water. Stroud was uninjured, but Garrison required 60 stitches to close a head wound. Both incidents occurring in such a short period resulted in Irish authorities grounding the production. Corman lobbied for restoration of flying and a few days later, was successful.[14]
This movie is awesome. A story about two of the greatest pilots of World War 1.
Brown was not a major ace unlike so many fantastic canadian aces.
Excellent film,with great aerial content,but why cut off the end?
Not impressed.......
The planes were cool in the movie, but they really had some things wrong. The Red Barron crashed in 1918. They no longer were using the German Maltese cross like they do today. It was the straight cross such as they used in world war 2. They had began using that type of cross that year and that is what the Red Barron had at the time, not the Maltese cross as everyone thinks of in German world war 1 planes. Also they show Captain Brown flying a SE-5. It was actually a Sopwith Camel. and finally the movie ending itself showing him being hit by bullets from Captain Brown. by now it is agreed that the Red Baron was killed by a bullet fired by gunfire from the ground, Cedric Popkin , and Australian gunner was given credit. It went right through his heart, he lost control of the plane and crashed. So he was never ever shot down. Had he still been healthy, he may have survived the fight.
The Baron was shot through the back, no way ground fire could do that.
@@mckessa17 Some more reading required.
@@davidlawrence74 No none necessary.
What then, if hypotetically thought, could have happened, if Rittmeister survived the war? German noble people kept Hitler as an street screamer ("österreichische Schlapperschwanze" = translated: a man from Austria, who painfully needs Viagra), although they too were afraid of communists.
The bullet which killed The Baron came from an Australian gunner on the ground. Whilst Brown is rightfully credited with strongly attributing to the end of The Baron he did not fire the fatal shot.
No one knows that for sure. The bullet dug out of the Baron was a standard .303 mg round. Used in aircraft and ground fired machine guns.
Answer to that question depends on whether you are Australian or Canadian!😂
Where is your evidence? Prove it? Substantiate or withdraw.
Here's an interesting theory which has been brought up lately:
While there indeed only was a single bullet wound which had entered the baron's body from the side there's a "small problem" of how von Richthofen was able to live for long enough to fly and land his triplane and still be found barely alive by the first Australian troops which reached his downed aircraft. The wound was so severe it should have killed him in 40-60 seconds. But these events took longer.
Australian gunner Cedric Popkin does indeed report of firing at the baron's plane but *only* as it was approaching him, not as it passed him exposing the side. While Popkin was indeed in the right place to have fired this lethal shot his report doesn't mention him firing into the side of the plane.
So one hypothesis is that Captain Roy Brown fired at Richthofen's plane and a bullet damaged some part of the engine forcing the baron to make an emergency landing. Brown does recall the plane flying "erratically" after he fired a burst at it. As Australian infantry spotted the baron's plane landing many of them fired on him. It's even possible some infantryman took a shot at the plane just as it had landed. This shot killed him but wasn't the reason he was brought down. Since the Australian soldiers took von Richthofen's plane apart for souvenirs the plane itself couldn't have been thoroughly examined for one or several bullet holes.
If so this explains how von Richthofen was able to land his plane and how he was still barely alive by the time the infantry had reached his downed plane.
This means that Roy Brown might have "shot down" Richthofen after all (they counted downed planes, not killed pilots) but the shot which killed him came from infantrymen on the ground as the plane came in for an emergency landing.
That is not true. Brown killed the Baron.
The Blue Max was the best WW1 movie, but I liked this one.
Best WWI flying sequences I’ve ever seen. “The Blue Max” and “Flyboys” should’ve taken a lesson from Roger Corman.
Yes someone commented on that on another YT clip.
Brown was credited with the kill but others say ground fire from 1st AIF soldiers may have killed him. Either way the commonwealth forces got him. He was given a military funeral by the Australians and there is even a short film of the actual funeral which I have seen on You Tube.
definitely ground fire by an aussie gunner named Snowy, angle of the bullet proved that & the nature of the wound....
It is now proven from forensics that Brown did not shoot down Richtofen. Richtofen was killed by a bullet from a vickers gun from the ground, likely from the gun of Australian soldier John Popkiss.
Nice to see the film uploaded, but is it possible to tack on the last 5 minutes?
Good movie. Thanks. 🙏❤️🇨🇦
It's massively in accurate from the first second, but a fair yarn l guess.
+Andrew Lewis Read the Description- 'story by Joyce Hooper Corrington and John William Corrington is largely fictional'
What the? The ending is missing. I remember seeing this when it hit the theaters and thinking it was the greatest WWI flying movie ever, mainly because of the actual aerial footage when looking back at the pilots. But I've always been a history buff and aviation freak so it struck all of the right chords. Now, watching this 49 years later, some things bother me.
1. Werner Voss did not die the same day Von Richthofen was hit in the head AND he was in a DR-1 (more precisely the F.1 evaluation model). He died Sept. 23, 1917. Von Richthofen was shot 3 1/2 months earlier on July 6. He and Richthofen were both flying triplanes at that time.
2. The machine gun fire the propeller arc was very fast as the interrupter gear would stop fire twice a revolution. Max RPM on the rotary engine was around 1200. Assuming you were holding the firing lever your max rate of fire was at most 600 shots per minute. At mid power (maneuvering power) the engine fired irregularly so 300 shots per minute or so. Not a 1000 shots per minute and certainly not in continuous fire but short bursts.
3. By October 1917, Brown's squadron was flying Sopwith Camels and not SE-5s. He was flying one when he was credited with downing Richthofen.
4. It would have been nice to see a rotary engine instead of a radial in the triplanes.
All of that OCD stuff aside, I read a comment about the siren sound when they were in a dive. I got a few minutes at the control of a PT-17 in '74 but the owner did some aerobatics with me. The cross bracing wire ropes would sing coming out of a Split S and an Immelmann he did for my entertainment. The sounded a lot like the sound in the movie with a much shorter duration. The spin he did for me would make a "Woo, woo, woo" sound every time the outside wings came around. It was awesome.
That said, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing this again and experiencing the nostalgia from seeing a movie that so deeply affected me. Thank you for posting.
I could also tell the machine rate of fire wasn't factual. The best movie for this period was The Blue Max
@@fokkerd3red618 I love it when a plan comes together
Accuracy is everything in a movie. I couldn't have picked out all of those details, like you did. But I thought something wasn't right with the rate of machine gun fire. I've always thought the Blue Max with George Peppard was and excellent movie.
It's just a movie, you can't get everything right.
@@fokkerd3red618having just re-watched "The Blue Max" it was outstanding. Still radials where rotaries would have been better, the rate of fire was accurate as was the "stepped" throttle and "blip switching". It was interesting that Peppard's character paralleled Richtofen and yet he meets him in the movie.
Unfortunately the video cut off about two minutes before the end. There is no mention of the huge number of casualties that occurred not in combat but because of the fragile nature of the aircraft.
Y'all, stop bashing this film! Corman knew the planes were inaccurate! But it was all they had! These were the SAME planes used in the movie "The Blue Max"! SE5's were picked because the Sopwith Camel is a difficult and DANGEROUS plane to fly when on the other hand, the SE5 was an airplane that was EASY to fly and Easy to handle!
True. My Grandfather was an Aeronautical Inspector for the Royal Flying Corps from 1917 onwards. He said the Sopwith Camel needed 'extreme flying skills' pulling out of a dive. He lost his leg as a 20 year old Sergeant with the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders , Ypres, June 1915...yet only 15 months later was retrained and deployed with the Royal Flying Corps!
That's why there are so few Sopwith Camels left. Simple aeronautics tells you that a short plane is less stable than a long one. It might be harder to hit because of smaller size and inherent instability, but only the newbies got them.
EOS.
Snoopy had a Sopwith Camel as a bit of a joke in Peanuts. It was his doghouse.
My Grandad also served in Argyll,s and he often told me storys about life in the trenches especially the day when he found your grandads leg ...
If this film was accurate. They would of had the red baron being killed by an Australian infantry soldier
yes, but this was before the australian infantry bullet theory became as substantiated as it has become today with the new modelling they have done on it..
The gun bursts last so long I'm surprised the barrel didn't melt.
After years of research it´s generally agreed that Brown had not shot down Von Richthofen, it was an Australian army Lewis machine gunner on the ground that fired the fatal shot.
Now I know that this film stretches the truth a bit. But Richthoven was only 5' 7". So that means Voss is only about 4' 11"?
There were two accidental crashes during the filming of this movie. One of the SE5s crashed, killing British pilot and engineer Charles Boddington. The following day, another plane crashed, injuring pilot Lynn Garrison. Actor Don Stroud (Roy Brown) was lucky enough to walk away unhurt from the second crash. I have read that director Corman was so upset by the accidents, he halted the production early, assembling the film with the footage he had (along with some un-used footage from the films 'The Blue Max' and 'Darling Lili').
No he used their crashes as footage . He was pissed at the lossnof fighters .
I have no clue, where the scenes are originally from, but theres a couple of them used in Aces High and the Blue Max (like the Mid-air crashing S.E.‘s)
An interesting film. However, Richtofen did not collide with Oswald Boelke, another pilot did. Brown reported that on the day the Red Baron came down, he observed him chasing another RFC pilot at low altitude and made one diving shot at him from high altitude above. It is generally thought Richtofen was shot and killed by an Australian Lewis gunner on the ground named Snowy Davis. After the war, Davis returned to Australia and drank himself to death.
No fake CGI nice.
Uh......wasn't there supposed to be an actual "ending" of this movie? I'm sure what there is isn't supposed to be what they intended....I feel disappointed when things just suddenly come to a stop like this did.
It ended on the dubious assertion that Brown shot him down. One gets the impression the makers of the film wanted no further argument, which is why they ended the film. From the trajectory of the killer bullet the far greater likelihood is that it was an Australian gunner on the ground who fired the shot
Why cut this at the most important point in the movie, and when Von Richtofen was first shot down in in trenches, why did they have the Germans using 2nd world war Lee Enfield rifles? Surely the Mauser would have been more accurate?
Enjoyable historical drama
If I'm correct here this was the same actor who played Charles lightoller in Cameron's 97 titanic movie!
The aircrafts in this film were all flown by military aircrew, who ironicly had flown Spitfires and Hurricanes, Von richtofen was not a brilliant pilot but was very good at air-to-air combat.. some of the air sequences were shot from Helicopters...
The Aircrafts operated from Baldonald [Casement] an ex-RFC airbase in County Dublin, and Weston, a former US AAC base in County Kildare.....If I rememeber anything else, I will annoy you all with it later...
Richard Bach was one of the pilots in the movie. Among others, he flew the plane which "shot down" the Red Baron. I read about it in his book "A gift of wings". It showed that filming the action was almost as dangerous as the real thing.
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It was an Australian gunner Sargent on the ground that shot the Barron in the right hand side of his chest,,not captain brown,,who got the credit...for a start it was a long range shot that killed him,,the bullet was actually found inside the Barron's uniform,,if it was brown the bullet would not have lost so much velocity
I was just about to make the same comment. It somehow makes the film irrelevant.
it doesn't even make any difference what colour the bullet was.
It may have been a ground soldier that shot him but it was Captain Brown who knocked him out of the sky for the soldier to be able to take the fatal shot
The argument of exactly who killed von Richtofen led to a formal autopsy, which found that it was a bullet from the ground fire that actually killed him. However, if Brown hadn't chased the Red Baron down to low level, the troops in the trenches would never have gotten a shot at him. Call it half to Brown and half to the Aussies in the trenches. Neither did it alone.
@@michaeldavison274 Formal autopsy called it that the bullet came from Brown's MG. But British doctors also prescribed laxatives for PTSD at the front lines and told the chaps to hold it together. The calibers were all the same (303 if I recall correctly) - rifles, ground and aircraft MG. The theory now is that MG fire would be a super lucky shot from almost a mile out, but a rifle would be a much better shot. Put intended.
Brown was 45 seconds behind MvR, which is a LOOOONG time. Next time you are chasing someone on a freeway, mark your watch and try to catch them in 45 seconds following speed limit, then increase speed by 10 MPH, then by 20. etc. Top speed of those planes was not very high. DRI was 102 MPH per datasheet, which at full throttle is 15-20 MPH slower than the competition. You get the idea.
MvR was in the midst of a chase, likely blinded by "red fog or mist." Those involved in Motorsports are unfortunately familiar with the reference. The likely reason why the Brits gave the victory to Brown is to demoralize the Germans. MvR was a cross between a G-d and a rock star to the ordinary soldiers in the mud of WWI trenches and people back home. Having him be killed by a British pilot would be devastating. Ground fire, while still terrible, is more understandable. Either way, he was turned around and on his way back when mortally wounded. Another pilot, Rudolf Stark, Jasta 34, was engaged in a fight a few miles away and saw the incident unfold. He thought MvR either ran our of fuel, was wounded, suffered mechanical issues or damage because he landed the plane as DRI would not land by itself with a dead pilot. The type of wound MvR suffered caused him to bleed out within 45 seconds (+/-). With Capt Brown being far behind, and MvR breaking off the attack and coming around the 2nd MG position to give them a SECOND chance at him (on his way back), it is doubtful Brown had much to do with it. Perhaps this is why he never commented on this most famous aerial dual post-war, other than "let the record speak..."
This by no means detracts from Capt Brown's achievements - he did down other Imperial German aircraft as well, just not DRI 425/17. But if MvR would have survived the war, who knows what role he may have played in the future of Nazi Germany. Just look at what happened to Hermann Göring who took over JG1 afterwards. Can you imagine MvR being a part of the Nazi war machine?
Blue Max Is another classic WWI aviator movie
back in the 60s, John Phillip Law played the Soviet sailor who fell in love with the American girl in The Russians are Coming! a truly crazy film.
One thing that I do know about WWI pilots! That most of the enemy pilots had respect for each other! If they wounded or shot down an opposing pilot, then they would leave them alone not pursue them! Most were not out for blood! Also, if they were side by side with each other, before the dog fight, they would usually salute each other out of respect for the other!
Do you really know that or is it something you imagine you know from watching films?
The Barron was noted for being a cold blooded killer. He would also straff the plane on the ground after it crashed to make sure the pilot was dead. I read this in many books, many times.
@@channelfogg6629 I read many books about world war 1 air combat. There was some respect, but not always and the Red Barron was noted for being a cold blooded killed. He would also shoot at the plane on the ground to make sure the pilot was dead.
yes those things did happen, but not always. The Red Barron was not as nice as you think, read my other comments.
kystars did you read The Red Fighter Pilot, an autobiography of the Red Baron? He was a hunter, out for a good hunt. However, he considered his brother Lothar a killer and said so many times in his autobiography. Try the book. It’s a dry read, very Prussian. But a good read it is. Guy comes across like an aristocratic ass who went to war with a servant.
Then try Earnest Udet’s Knight of the Iron Cross where he describes “the Captain,” and you truly get a different dimensional view. Yes, he was an aristocrat. But so were many other early aviators. But he was a gentleman as well as a professional soldier in the German Officer Corps.
It is now known that Von Richthofen was killed on Sunday 21st April 1918 by a single 303" bullet fired from a MG post on a hill overlooking the R Somme 20 miles behind the front on the Red Baron's last day of flying due to be taken off action by the Kaiser and he landed the Triplane said something to the soldiers who had come up and expired.So Sgt R Hopkins of the AU EF was the killer.
Watched the movie got to the end and there wasn’t one , why did you put it on here and then cut it off
How in hell, did u cut off the film before it finishes?? It's 6 mins longer!
He was killed by an Australian soldier when he flew low.What a lucky Fantastic shot.
What the Americans call "the golden B.B."
Damn aussie, mastering deflection shooting perfectly.
He was our Hero
I'm in love with the french girl. She seems so kind and compassionate...
Why do you put your watermark on the movie, you never made it, you just uploaded it to CZcams
Brown did not shoot down the Red Baron. He was shot down by ground fire. But hey, let's not let historical accuracy get in the way of a movie script.
The Baron is flying a PHALTZ fighter not an Alnatros. The design of the rudder tell that. Also he never flew a Phaltz in combat.
Further he never knew Voss in early years and the Baron is the person that recruited Ernst Udt to HIS command later in the war. Also the Baron NEVER flew Fokker D7 s in combat.
Good film, ended too soon, last few minutes were cut.
All movies on CZcams have something wrong...this is another example...the finest scene at the end is totally missing