Formula 1 technology comes to NRE. WOW! This Flex 1200 HP 427 Ford enters new territory.
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- čas přidán 5. 04. 2018
- Warning! If you don't to wish hear spirited cursing, perhaps you should skip this video. Tom goes a little crazy on this video. The star of this show is the amazing Life Racing LTD. powerful ECU. Tom goes to an expert for this ECU to get an education. This is a Flex fuel 1200 HP Mirror Image TT Ford 427.
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A bit off subject. I was recently discussing the definition of "educated" with a friend who is a Liberal Arts college professor. He made a comment how "skilled" trades folks are "uneducated" and mentally can't understand the "complexities" of the world. I see it over and over. Folks who think anyone who isn't sitting in a cubicle at some random corporation is "stupid". Your video would run counter to his claim. As the owner of small auto repair/performance shop, some of the most intelligent folks I have ever met have been mechanics/tuners and machinist. Awesome job folks, awesome job.
Off topic, but oh so true. Many people in the liberal arts who read and write well and are well spoken believe those qualities are the only important qualities, but that is because they are the people who we tend to see in the media and in business management where those qualities are important. And most importantly, in politics the wordsmiths rule over us, so they come to believe they are superior. In reality no one shook up the countries so that all the intelligent people ended up in the coastal regions and capitals, intelligence is geographically dispersed and there are plenty of incredibly intelligent people who are not glib, who are even socially awkward and poorly adjusted. In fact many of the greatest historical geniuses were poorly adjusted socially, there are entire books devoted to them such as "Weird Brains." The Silicon Valley is full of awkward but brilliant engineers. And the fact is that few of the liberal arts mavens have ever designed or built anything, they comment, they write, but they don't explore, invent, build and take risks. Our entire world is dependent on engineers, not wordsmiths. Just look up the epic accomplishments of Scotland's Stevenson family, the lighthouse engineers who saved countless lives, the father, uncles and grandfather of Robert Louis Stevenson, one of the world's great writers. Look at the great bridges of the world, the Eads Bridge in St. Louis, the product of a self-taught engineer that is still carrying traffic today and closing in on its second century. Motor racing is full of brilliant self-taught engineers who have pushed the limits of technology, men like Bruce McLaren and Jack Brabham and of course who can forget Smokey Unick?
redlightcivic to even categorise some one as 'Liberal' means you are an uneducated American.
@@nordic5490 liberal arts is a descriptor of non-STEM subjects in college...
You can't possibly be that oblivious..
Skilled tradespeople are as educated as anyone with a liberal arts degree. This includes skilled laborers. They are not educated in the same way as a college graduate but they are trained in the same mathematics, sciences, the scientific method of analysis, writing, all the things a college graduate knows. You can get a bachelors or masters degree in mechanics now...
@@edwardskaggs8746 most of these guys working at this level have one or more engineering degrees. There is a lot of mechanical, chemical, and Petro chemical engineering at work. Also Thermo and fluid Dynamics are a key point.
Your "looking rough" plumbing and electrical on the dyno looks neater than most complete installs. Superb craftsmanship Tom. A engine and insulation from you would be a dream come true. The attention to detail and the passion that your shop delivers is second to none.
Tom and crew, your craftsmanship is outstanding. Amazing to see how far you guys have come over the years. Keep it up, love your work!
Absolute pure essences of power and torque. Brilliant work Tom even though I am Chevy man. For yrs. you have proven time and again your designed intakes engines and turbos etc are pure Artwork!!! God Blessed you pure Brain Power!!!
Going into a Saleen S7 if i saw the screen correctly? What a badass combo....great work.
Freaking EXCELLENT video man! Thank you for recording and uploading this. I love stuff like this.
It is nice to tune 8 individual motors built into one.... love it..
A few notes. First, glad to see the videos again, because Tom and his team at NRE are an inspiration to all gearheads. Second, it seems like I start asking if something is possible, and here comes Tom with it on display. Third, I would love to know what power she makes at full bore (I'm going to estimate somewhere between 1900~2300). And lastly, if Tom were to read this, with you guys building true mechanical artistry, would you be able to point me in the right direction to learn how to build motors like this? I would love to be able to pass something like this down to my children and grandchildren, because an addiction to horsepower beats an addiction to drugs! Thanks, guys, and I can't wait to see what comes out of the Dreamland at NRE.
It's cool to see Tom integrated into this information supply/it means something to him and he can take advantage of it...
The possibility is endless ! I am soooo impressed
Well done guys. I LOVE to see the new technology being used. Light years from smelling the exhaust to tune the carb lol.
Very inovative tech for a turbo v8. This is where the future of racing is headed and the future looks good
If the day comes that I got the lottery, you sir, are getting a blank check.
Tom/NHE this is awesome. This is the future 👍🏻
Love it! Can't wait to see more, love the vids
It is crazy how smooth the engine sounded.
I would just like to come hang out and watch the magic happen! Dream engine building! Just love it!
that motor is sick great work guys..
Thank you so much keep the videos coming please
I love you attention to detail !!!
Interesting system Tom
That is one sick Ford mill
Awesome video, and thanks for the Ford stuff.
Tom u guys make some of the best stuff money can buy!
Real science ... Great input
The master at work 👌👌😎
Thank you great SB Ford build.
Love your content Nelson. I will have one of your engines one day mark my words
It idles as smooth as a 1000hp industrial sewing machine, that's wild
Keep them coming man!
Its just amazing where technology is in the automotive world. Super efficient
Very informative video.
WAAAY TOOO MANY FBOMBS BRO
Only one way to describe
I want to see the marriage of this motor and it’s car!! I will celebrate with a glass of cold beer when watching the video!!
Does the sound of these engines screaming at 1000+ HP put tears in anyone else’s eyes?
Put the E85 sensor on the return line, after running the pump(s) a few seconds you get your reading
Yup.
I’m not picking here. But I thaught flex fuel sensors were in the return lines... wicked work Tom
What I want to know is what were the differences between the 2 camshafts? was it a tighter overlap. less duration or what & by how much?
Were you guys been hired man I am a big fan
So adaptive knock is basically an alternate zero when you first set up the computer?
Looking forward to seeing the car. Curious to know why the camshaft was causing the knock issue with Cyl # 2 only. Great video, technology is unreal, tuning is such an art!
George Mitchell possible bad grind?
One wild Windsor rite there...bad ass
All F1 cars use a mandatory ECU supplied by Cosworth, and have been for some years - but I know what you mean, LIFE ECUs are used in pretty much all other top end motorsport. The top end european race stuff is gob-smacking in what it can monitors and control - like the spark plug voltages for combustion efficiency.
If you check out the options, I wouldn't be surprised if you could rig it up to wipe your bum - very versatile bit of kit.
Wish I could have money so Nelson can build me a motor more bad ass as this one lol but it dont get no better than this
Torque monster!!😁👍
These vids need a Tom Fuck counter. By my count he said fuck at least 38 times!
only 38 fucks ? fuckin light weight............
ICP is now stuck in my head!
4450rpm's, 1000 hp (towards the end) unreal! Running E85 @17lbs of boost.... just awesome
If the antilock "breaks", then you don't have antilock "brakes".
I really don't like it when my brakes breaks
Glad I wasn't the only one who caught that.
F1 or not, for any thing else, that's a great bit of kit.
So which F1 technology is being incorporated here?
the ECU ? lol....
F like an fantasy?
Have you ever seen that type of software technology used on any other 'street car' engine? The F1 technology being incorporated here is right in front of your face.
Hostile 2valve means no F1 here.
@@calvin99991 umm.. any decent ecm will allow you to collect ALLL kinds of data. Same goes for data loggers for kinematics like RCP..
I'm not a Ford fan but damn that's gonna be a fun car!
Tom, I wonder if that ECU can be used to control common rail diesel systems. I ask because there are a whole lot of '08 to '10 Ford 6.4 powerstrokes that fail, leaving nice truck bodies without an engine. Updated fuel and emission controls can make replacement engines last longer. Specifically to add a 9th injector for the regen cycle after the turbo, as opposed to adding fuel to the exhaust stroke on the back cylinders with those cylinder injectors, resulting in high temp conditions and failures in those cylinders. I suppose that is a question to pass on to the controller manufacturer, as your videos are for gasoline engines.
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You cant use the same ecu that is used into the common rails one of the primary differences are the step up coil( transformer)/ capacitor to step up the voltage up to 100v and drivers for the injectors!!!
First NRE video I've ever watched where Tom wasn't the expert in the room.
Means a lot when he admits that from the gate.
Excellent work - it's fun to see the HP meter get wrapped past 'full' scale. Knowing you changed the cam to arrive at satisfaction, was there a minor valve timing error on the grind, or something else? What direction did you tweak cam numbers?
How do you know what threshold level is noise and what knock?
1K like😎👍👍Love the purity of this tech. Everything done properly👌 So nice to watch
Fuck me! That's stunning. Friggin F1 tech meets mirror image turbos. Way of the future if you got the $$ to play!
I didn’t catch where he said the temp at the turbo and at the manifold. I’m curious to see how much cooler the air is after the intercooler. I saw it show 20 and 17 for temps. Is that Celsius?
Dustin Walden ... I think I heard him say 100 degrees difference
Nice.
How’s the knock sensors working on the Windsor?
Very impressive! Great job! What was with changing the cam tho? Trying to get better atomization or just get the air out better? I'm curious about the theory behind that to prevent detonation? If you wouldn't mind sharing. Very interesting stuff
Brandon B It changes the cylinder pressure by changing the overlap events
Tom Nelson ah that's makes sense I take it pretty much closer the over laps the more time both valves are open at the same time hence less pressure builds up and the longer they are apart the more air and pressure builds since it was no where to go. I'm sure there is a hell of a lot more to it then that but super interesting! Thanks Tom I know your a busy man and I appreciate the wisdom!
any chance we'll see this in the S7 its built for?
MoosesRevenge I could swear this engine belongs to the orange s7 competition in the one of few, if not only, s7 dyno videos found online but I truly have no idea. Can anyone confirm this?
Damn, I was happy having msd and a megasquirt stand alone. This thing will take over the world and lead the robot revolution to destroy all humanity....no Sarah Connor must destroy this....
This is doing what factory boosted cars have been doing for a looooong time. Nice to see in aftermarket standalone ECUs, but this is not novel technology.
Preety sure this motor would make the robot's crave NRE's
Sara can't help now, it's already to LATE!!
can't ms3 do pretty much all of this as well? that looks like a modified/rebranded ls computer
Life Racing/Syvecs have been around for a long time, there is no better ecu available. It is not a modified anything from any other source.
In Tom's words. "Fuck YEAH!"
yeah buddy!!!
Came for the horsepower, stayed for the cursing.
And to think the only thing I tune is the OBD 1 system on my 90 vette.
So much *fucking* passion at NRE
You have everything but a decibel meter , but guys best intuition is even better
Had a feeling this was going into a GT40.
Good lord to the have mercy !!
LOL the video is so weird when you zoom in on the screen . oh it's because i have the exact same monitor lol .
Hi guys, you know that vid you guys made called "Methanol monster lays waste to the dyno room"? What methanol fuel did you use?
Karrie Bhurgari M1
Tom Nelson I did not thing m1 came in a yellow bottle but thanks
What is this going in?
I can take the cursing. In fact, I'm gonna follow this build because he's gonna build me one for my '62mercury monterey wagon, if i win the 22 million in the dutch lottery next week... 🤣
Hell, i'll ship the whole car to build it!
I need to hit the LOTERY and soon so I can throw sun money along with my C4 95 your way for the ULTIMATE build such as I’ve not known. Dang where’s my lottery money at.
Fucken love it )) oi oi oi
ShoW!
What's the cost for this Bad Boi!?
Big Toys for Big Boys!!...
Who makes the FR90X
Blown away at the technology these days .
Finally, someone "FKN" God-like that I can "FKN" understand! The only thing I have never heard Tom say, "That makes my petey stick out!" Example: Seeing a motor squeeze out 2,000 hp, makes my petey stick out!
Automotive PORN
Welcome to 25 years ago f1 technology. On import we use this kind of ecu from long time
So you're using 8 different piezoelectric sensors or one per bank.
What other parameter do you monitor v. Efficiency, fuel trims, mani. Absolute, secondary o2 ?
Impressive!!! But I have to wonder, whatever is this monster being installed in??? A bad ass boat, a salt lake car?? Can't think where else or race class one could use this...beast???
MR chassis so likely a ford GT... probably a flying mile/street racer etc if they are being this vague haha.
What is that monster going in?
Read the Life Racing wikipedia for a hilarious time!
Nice fucking power
Put flex fuel sensor on return line
Un fucking real!!! Wow!!!!
Aren't McLaren the standard ECU supplier for Formula 1?
[edit] nevermind. I misinterpreted your title
Put the sensor on the return.
what is this going into?
Ill. Just leave this here, Haltech Elite...
Welcome to the 1990's 😂
Time to start quad camming now?
Eh?
Fun fact over head cams have been a thing since the 1902, the first American car to use them was in 1903 called the Marr Auto Car. The first dohc head was used in the 1912 Peugeot which won French Grand Prix at Dieppe.
so basically this is *the* most high technology ford 427 _in the world_
Ok, that's just straight up dyno porn. I should have to sign in to watch and wash my hands after.
what is seating the rings supposed to mean? That hasn't every really made sense to me. They can only be in one spot.
Ryan Axberg it's running in the engine, basically mating the rings to the bore when you have a new engine rings and bore don't exactly match this process takes out any little imperfections ensuring maximum seal
Is e85 better than vp 100 octane ?
Bee Money he said the e85 was 105 octane rating....
And way less expensive
Billy Beane but e85 is inconsistent at the pump from what I’ve seen because I have a car that can take e85, that’s why I asked....
Bee Money as long as you have at least 50 percent ethonal content you are still getting the knock resistance benefits of e85.
pdgeman what’s the point of calling it e 85 then ?
Why not use a MOTEC ECU