Hotchkiss Universal: The Most Folding Gun Made
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The Hotchkiss Universal was a closed-bolt submachine gun submitted to French military trials in the late 1940s to replace the MAS-38. The French were looking for a compact SMG in 9mm Parabellum, and tested guns form the state arsenals as well as the Hotchkiss and Gevelot companies. The Universal (also designated the Model 010 by Hotchkiss) really doubled down on the compact elements, with a design that incorporated a folding stock, grip, magazine well, and telescoping barrel. It could fold up in to a remarkably compact package, complete with a loaded magazine in a completely safe stowed format.
A total of about 7,000 Universals were made, in what appear to be two series. The first were marked CMH (Carabine Miltrailleuse Hotchkiss) and serialized on the trigger assembly and the second marked CMH2 and serialized on small plates riveted to the stock tubes. Several variations on parts can be founds, including simplified front sight blocks and simplified rear sights - I suspect the simplified patterns were the CMH2 as an attempt to reduce the cost of the guns. Small batches were sold to Venezuela and Morocco, as well as an unidentified middle eastern nation and a few even to the French CRS security service. A small number were also tested by the Foreign Legion in Indochina in 1954.
Ultimately, of course, the MAT-49 won the military trials. The Universal was rejected for being too expensive and too complicated - both totally valid assessments. It is a gun that put all its chip on compactness, and made way too many tradeoffs in the process to be really viable.
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Can imagine a French man sitting in a corner doing butterfly knife tricks with the gun
Le spy .tf2
It’s me heavy
During which he accidentally shoots himself in the baguette.
@@scslre "Merde, ma baguette! Encore?!"
ah and the particular style he using with it is known as Savate..
An American who traveled to France to develop guns?
Ian, admit that you have his portrait somewhere in your bedroom
@グールにも愛が必要 move over, Alyssa Milano
Hotchkiss also designed cars at the beginning of the 20th century.
He makes his wife wear the dudes face in bed
@@methodeetrigueur1164I didn't know that! Do you know which cars?
@Олег Козлов
, It's in his spank bank folder.
Bop it, twist it, pull it, unfold it, extend it, load it. I feel like I've heard this before.
School
AIM IT!
Robot chicken?
Buy it, hold it, see it, fold it, latch it, match it, quick-unfold it
Hotch it, kiss it, load it, charge it, bolt it, flip it, cock and lock it
Automatic
Technologic
Automatic
Technologic
*Oon tz Chak tz Oon Dabachak tz*
Tucker Dennis lol no he’s talking about a old toy called “bop it”
*Folds Magazine
"More"
*Retracts Barrel
"More!"
*Folds Stock
"MOOOOORE!"
*Folds folded gun in half
unfold my wallet. shut up and Take my money
It got me when he retracted the barrel! Really lol and take my money! Nice gun! It's even a close bolt smg!
„Show me your compactness“
*folds the magazine
„No i meant the real compactness“
*folds grip and retracts barrel
Perfection
*folds bol*
Franceformers - weapons in disguise!
is this Megatron's grandfather?
Hey Megatron! Yo momma was a Hotchkiss
@@gabrielstrong2186
😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@gabrielstrong2186 Now i have the Johnny-5 voice stuck in my head!
"Hey laser-lips, yo momma blows snowmen" ... or something like that ;)
LMFAO
Gunsmith: "So what do you want?"
French*shows butterfly knife*: "Like this.. ...but an SMG."
Gold
Mr. Hotchkiss: "Say no more"
🤣🤣🤣
Butterfly gun?
"French showing butterfly knife" sounds like Spy
Imagine somebody doing tricks with the smg as if it was a butterfly knife
The saying is so true. "The French copy no one. And no one copies the French".
Who invented the modern flintlock, i.e. combined the striker with the pan cover? The Bourgeoys brothers of Normandy!
Safe canal locks instead of flash locks? De Dion suspension? Tanks with rotating turrets. Self-contained ammunition? Pasteurisation?
Liberty , Equality , Fraternity
@@michaelguerin56 took the words from my mouth
Dessault planes, famas, exocet; the list goes on, while few french stuff is best in category, in a age when this systems are mult-nation made this auto suficienc is remarkeable.
Henri Delacre's bullpup mechanism...
Paper: You cannot fold me more than 8 times
Hotchkiss SMG: Hold my Bière
*Gets Robbed by a guy with a folding glock*
"Thats not a folding gun"
*Whips out Hotchkiss Universal*
"Thats a folding gun"
'Takes ages unfolding it whilst guy holding Glock just looks confused'
I came here for this comment.
everybody gansta until the FMG 9 gets beaten by the Hotchkiss Universal
A Crocodile Dundee reference, you are a man of culture I see.
My new set up will be a Hotchkiss, a folding Glock and a folding knife
French Gangsta rap be like "Mon Hotchkiss va CRA-CLAQUE-SCHNIC-CLIQUE-CLAQUE-RA-CLAQUE"
Lmfaoooo I can't xD
Bruh...this is gold😂
"Bonour, petit bitchue"
@@stonedsnakestudios (bonjour)
ah, mais carrément, quoi!!! :D
"My dust cover doesn't want to stay closed."
I believe they have medicine for that
Ian: “Unfortunately I do not have an MP40 magazine here to try it”.....My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
It's like if a MP40, a grease gun, and an owen gun had a kid raised in a circus.
Which that kid Works as Contortionist
I think exactly like you but I did not understand it until Then.
That's literally almost verbatim what I was thinking,except for the bit about a circus. That's kinda freaky lol. Great minds think alike!
A triple jointed circus child
"Look at those fleas riding bicycles!"
*cornered in an alley*
"Hey Joe this guy's pulling a bundle of scrap metal out of his coat"
*bundle of metal turns into machine gun*
Hotchkiss Universal: I'm about to end this muggers career
Autoguns, Assemble!
Yeah, slightly lacking in a quick draw though.
Fullmetal Jacket Alchemist
@@Skelosk I think you mean diseptiguns. In the original cartoon series, Megatron can turn into a gun.
As we use to say in french : "Plié en quatre"
(the expression literally translated "folded in four" but means "laughing my/his/her ass off")
PEQ
@@izperehoda For us this is "MDR" : "Mort de rire" (dead of laughter)
Our "LOL" ;)
I believe that it's fair to say that the Engineers really took it to heart when the request came down to produce a type of SMG that collapsed down to a compact size, suitable for use by armoured vehicle crews, aircrew and transport units.
From an engineering perspective that gun is a masterpiece!
No firearms engineering departments before or since have ever designed a weapon that collapsed to be quite as compact as this.
That is a gun I would love to own, with two displayed in an illuminated glass display case, one folded, the other in the ready position.
What a great team of Engineers they were to have come up with this truly remarkable configuration.
Thank you so much for introducing such fantastical machines.
As a mechanical engineering student a say that is a nightmare to project and even more to make with tight tolerances.
Magpul fmg9
It seems they latched onto a single word very hard.
If you like this gun you’ll probably find these ones really cool too especially the magpul
There’s the already mentioned magpul9, great gun and when folded almost looks like a brief case with a flash light on it.
There’s also the XAR invicta it’s an ar15 type that folds and the barrel and the stock not near as cool as this
Keltec makes the Sub2000. It folds in half at the breach face, has a folded length of 16 inches, and it runs on glock magazines. I like the one I have, but I spent more than the original purchase price of the gun to replace a bunch of garbage grade plastic factory parts with quality machined steel and aluminum bits.
It went from a cool novelty range toy with a horrible trigger, to a very good shooting, reliable pdw with the upgrades.
I keep it in my SHTF kit.
"Hotchkisses,
more than meets the eye.
Hotchkisses,
SMGs in disguise"
I see you are a man of taste and culture...
El Cuervacho beat me to it. 😎
* watches Ian do the transformation sequence *
Huh, these French third party not-Megatron toys are pretty weird.
"Origami SMGs wage their battle to destroy the evil forces of the sensible carbines"
It would have been adopted if they made the bullets foldable as well
I assume that they would travel to target folded to create less drag, but would unfold once they entered target.
@@fanta4897 You are literally describing hollow-point ammo lol.
Folding Metal Jacket
@@nikkorap Yes, although we could argue if foldable means that some mechanics besides deformation of metal would have to be involved.
@GreenManAiming
, I have a foldable girlfriend, best investment ever.
Picasso to Dali after sharing a bottle of Absinth..."Have you ever designed a sub-machine gun?" Dali stares into distance and twirls moustache......
The grip looks like the most uncomfortable thing ive ever seen
Yes. A knife blade. The ultimate grip.
I think the Zip-22 might be worse in that area too.
I’m like 4 months late, sorry, but the wood bits on the sides are what sticks out forward so you don’t cut yourself on the metal frame. Probably would still be a bit cautious with it if your hands were small enough to not wrap around the whole handle, though.
@@adamofblastworks1517 I didn't think the zip 22 was all that bad it just could have used more of a bottom, but how much does having the extra purchas matter on a .22, really?
I dont think I could use that gun without humming the transformers theme every time I unfolded it.
I'll sing the Flintstones song to confuse the enemy long enough for me to unfold it and get it ready for firing.
Id have to do that BRRKCKCKXK sound with my mouth
Megatron's older brother
I would just make the ZchickSizGlickChick noise, like when they transform.
@@thomaschongs3456 _younger_ brother. He was a P38 in the original series. They’d be both in 9x19mm, though.
This looks like something that a kid that kinda knows how mechanics work but does not know how guns works would build from lego.
With the difference that it actually works lmao
I used to do that with Legos... i think i still have one in the miscellaneous cabinet from 15 years
@@comradeurod9805 Ork gun
More like a foldable Nerf gun!
@@jamesliu8095 Orks wouldn't bother making something that sophisticated. 😋
"I raise"
"All in"
"I fold"
*visible confusion
"Sorry, I meant, I *un*fold"
France: have we made anything batshit crazy lately?
Hotchkiss: I'm your huckleberry.
Yes.
Say when!
Everyone else: So, the guys and I are adopting tubular 9mm SMGs, because they're simple, cheap, and easy to use.
Hotchkiss: Hold my wine, would you? ... ANTON! TO THE SPARE PARTS SHED!!
AHA! An SMG that folds 9 ways to Sunday, has 463 parts, sounds like a maraca when fired, and looks like it escaped a steampunk convention. Neat. Send it off to the Army, boys, we're going to make a million of these.
""
My sides!
@@harbl99 When I read that, I could faintly hear the sound of power tools accompanied by accordion music.
@@genetichell to me it sounds like the shitposts of the tf2 spy's snort laugh
"French technology noises"
I imagine an air wrench going *_Hon! Hon!_*
🤣🤣🤣
I want to see a "shooter NOT ready" *beep* 'Ah! Germans!' of this in the fully folded position with you and Karl seeing how fast you can get it ready from stowed.
Yes
This.
Bump this up.
That`s the only correct way.
same
"Ah! Allemands!"
Kenny Rogers intensifies, because he knows when to fold ‘em.
R.I.P Kenny Rogers
It also bears mentioning that you walk away if the enemy has a FAMAS, but if he has a MAS-36, that's when to run.
In this latest installment of Freaky French Firearms, Ian shows us a postmodern steampunk masterpiece.
Sorry to stereotype, but is it a coincidence it folds up like a frog's legs?
Damn, Transformers toys in 30's France were lit.
It's Megatron's brother
I've seen a folding gun.
I've seen a tiny gun
I've seen a ludicrously large 950 JDJ
I dont think I've ever seen a gun actively replicate the image of the dragon eating its tail
El Famoso ouroboros
Stop. Look. Think. Are you eating yourself?
It is a little too common in some circles, if you apply the rubric (ouroboros) you wind up in the classic shape of man eating gun. Some metaphors do not mix well.
But I think I seen about ev'rything
When I see an SMG fold
@Sean Wilkinson "man eating gun" as in the classic suicide pose. You can't get 'man-eating' from the text without a deliberate misunderstanding.
Funny when Ian edits out ramblings... he goes back and realizes he was preaching and says...”did I really just ramble there again?” And cuts out a good 5 minutes of history lessons
"There is a _safe_ position that's, aha, a little tricky to get to"
😳...
*safety is our number 5 priority*
With a hard French accent: "Safety? Monsieur, this is a tool of war. War and safety do not go hand in hand."
I don't care what people say, this is such a beautiful gun.
It’s crazy cool
lmao gun ugly lol
A wonderful piece of engineering.
AndrewKidd14145 looks like a grease gun and an MP40
@@RNKel1 that's what I thought too 😂😅
"'Voila, you now have a very compact package', 'Your mother was a hamster.' and other outrageous French insults."
Now go away, before we taunt you again!
Imagine MAT-49 that can collapse barrel into receiver. BOOM, best concealable SMG of it's era.
2:18 I heard, "Let me go ahead and show you..." and I immediately went full Jörg Sprave, finishing the sentence with "... it's features!"
now THAT'S a bug out gun. as old as it is. that is engineering at its finest. ahead of it's time.
But it's french🥴
Looks like a grease gun had a baby with a mp40
@@johnxina2465 I see it. Weird
The first sub2000
I had the same thought.
Last time I was this early, forgotten weapons had an intro with a catchy beat
I remembered that hahaha
With gun sounds synced with the music
Yeah, I wonder what happened to that intro. Did I miss something? When did he stop using it?
@@hasdarivahsla6351 he forgot it
I gave it a 7 back then. I could dance to it.
This would be a great design to update and try on the civilian market. PCC’s are really big right now and a retracting barrel would help to keep it legal but short.
Two (hyphenated) words: Kel-Tec Sub-2000
@@Bacteriophagebs yes but the barrel doesn’t retract
@@flipeverything2734 Why does it need to retract? The Sub-2K is actually shorter when folded than the Hotchkiss Universal, less than 17 inches.
@@Bacteriophagebs it doesn’t need to retract but if it did it would be a popular design
@@flipeverything2734 Eh, I don't know. Civilians want accuracy, since we can't "spray and pray" for a number of good reasons. A retracting barrel would be harder and more expensive to make accurate.
Absolutely amazing engineering for that long ago, totally impressed with this Hotchkiss Universal. Would bet a modern take on this design, would see some great ergonomic improvements.
When your great grandpa thought of it before you did, built it, used it and then you and your generation just rediscovered it.
Yes, that's how a lot of things seem to go. FMG 9 for example
@@Joshua-hz3cl I also like how a new generation are getting into mechanical watches because they appreciate the engineering.
“The hinge magnets on your sub machine gun” sounds as strange as “Your car needs blinker fluid”
Guy making this weapon was just like: Yo dawg, I heard you liked underfolders.
When he started pushhing the barrel into the reciever I audible went "ohOhoho"
“Clean up in aisle H!”
The origami of guns.
Folding umbrella.
Now I waked up.
Hotchkiss: "We can't have a front grip! How would you even fold it?"
MAT-49: "Hold my Cabernet Sauvignon..."
We don't drink grape juice in France, we drink wine. If you want something with Cabernet Sauvignon in it you're probably drinking a Bordeaux.
Nice comment Mr. Joel. I googled twice because of you.
@@JohnHughesChampigny So, Cabernet Sauvignon, Merlot, Shiraz are the grapes and Bordeaux or Burgundy are the wines? I can say "a bottle of Bordeaux wine made with Cabernet Sauvignon" but mentioning "Cabernet Sauvignon" only is wrong?
@@bodyno3158 actually, you would never mention the grapes, only the region, the vineyard and the year. The sommelier might tell you about the mix of cépages, to which you would reply "very interesting". For example I pull out a mediocre bottle of Medoc I bought in LIDL today and it blathers on for many words about exactly where the wine comes from and what temperature to serve it at but it never mentions the grape varieties at all. It's a Medoc ffs, why would you want to know more.
Yes, this is odd to non French people, but that is the way it is. Might as well ask where the iron ore used to make the FAMAS came from -- the steel was made in Alsace-Lorraine, who cares about the iron?
This is just about one of the most if not the most interesting smg I’ve ever learned about. I love these videos and this channel is always above and beyond.
One of the most complicated firearms made.... Ian: " let's get into the internals" like a boss!! Love this Channel!! Always something new, well new to me anyway.
When your Hotchkiss unfolds itself and you hear "Sorry I got excited"
"my barrel is so extended right now"
Today I've just gone from a recommended vid showing Japan building a life size Gundam, to one Ian's collection showing most foldable SMG.
Funny thing, hotckiss means stapler in japaneese
The amount of "this might fix it.. No, now something else is broken" that went into designing this firearm makes me happy
I love the way you mentioned and noted the ergonomics. Very interesting!
“The Hotchkiss 1914 was the main stay of the French army of WW1....(Ian rolls eyes)...and WW2”...😂
World wars were around 20 years apart, many guns (mosin nagant, mauser, bar, etc) were used in both
While it worked, with the strip feed and other quirks, many do believe it was outdated by WW2, or at least below average. But then, there is the Italian efforts in Machine Guns.
Anyone who's played Mass Effect knows what this is like.
Bring back memories like
@Brotato Chip As the series went on they stopped animating them. Which was sad.
Oblithian What? I remember the guns folding in all 3 games.
All bad fool
Yep anti material rifle collapses into a small rectangle
Ian's Hotchkiss Universal video was the first Forgotten Weapons video I ever watched. Great to see that it's getting a remaster!
I've been fascinated with these, ever since you did your first video on them :)
Last time I was this early, Ian was still seeking for .32 longue
Isn't he still?
@@rageagainstthehygiene2357 He got a supplier
Damn Ian, Im french and you taught me about Hotchkiss history's. I had doubt it was french, but with the anglo-saxon name I wasn'tsure, even though alot of weapon we used were Hotchkisses, while not many other country did. Thank you very much for that, and amazing video as always, I just love how you present all the internal components and their fuction aswell as assembly/disassembly. Truly a professional work !
Je te souhaite une bonne journée ^^
For your information, Hotchkiss merged with Brandt in 56 and with Thomson-Houston in 1969 (all those are French brands) and is now known as Thales
@@GreysUES damn, thank you very much for the infos brother ^^
Hotchkiss was also a luxury car maker
>anglo-saxon name
*cough* Norman *cough*
@@paint_thinner Je sais, je sais ^^
@Ian, the trigger guard is large because you said it yourself, it's for paratroopers and other units that might have worn gloves.
Somebody REALLY needs to make a semi auto version of this, that would make a FANTASTIC backpack gun, truck gun, or discrete carry PCC. Imagine this thing in a sling bag...
Add nitinol wire and it can unfold itself
"in my case here this was a fairly easy conversion to semi auto" does this mean you now have a Hotchkiss Universal to call your own?
It looks to me the only thing that keeps him from being able to swap the firing mechanism to full auto is a few machine screws
Can one build a machine gun with license in the US?
@@thesturm8686 no its illegal but I'm saying it seems like and how dumb our laws are bc lots of stuff is easily converted
@@tylerblubaugh5549 @Christopher If I'm not mistaken you can in fact legally build and import machine guns as long as you are in the possession of the correct FFL licences
I bought this semiauto many years ago, but only very recently got around to registering it as an SBR. I didn't want to do a video on it before that, with the really ugly 16" barrel.
Did Ian mention whether it was one of autobots or decepticons?
Probably a Decepticon becauser “GuNs BaD”
That's brilliant. Amazing to see the innovations so long ago.
YAY, I've been waiting for this to be revisited ever since I first saw the old video.
Hotchkiss shooters can count how many fingers they have, on one hand.
Definitely to complex for the military but I could see this being extremely useful for VIP protection organization like the secret service.
True that
and in this case, it could be more refined.
Take too long to unfold
@@demonprinces17 AFAIR in his first video on this Ian did some speed tests and it can be done pretty quick.
Now we're putting Microchips in bullets. lol
Thanks for that Ian that is a very nicely designed gut with a lot of very cool features!
The folding-ness (I swear thats a real word) is really cool, but I think the coolest part is the collapsible barrel. '
Also, Ian obviously has a SECOND Hotchkiss Universal to compare with. It brings a smile to my face just imagining Ian's personal gun museum.
If this were to exist in a WWII game, it’s gonna have the slowest deployment speed due to the many folding procedures.
Here’s how it will be used if some devs of WWII games will portray this one of a kind SMG.
1. If the Weapon is deployed for the first time, the weapon will have a folding animation when a match starts or spawn. The weapon will not be folded when you switch to your secondary or melee weapon.
2. The weapon is compatible with the MP40’s ammunition of 9mm. If the player finds an MP40, you can have the option to either use the weapon or take its ammunition.
3. If the weapon is out of ammunition, the folding animation plays except it’s going to be put back to its folded configuration.
4. If the player finds an ammunition box or an MP40, the folding animation plays, but a special animation will play: the weapon’s original magazine is replaced with the MP40’s.
A perk of the gun would be that you get an extra weapons slot for another grenade
When carried in stowed position, agility loss from weight carried is reduced to 75% of other gear types. When carried in deployed position, agility loss from weight carried is the same as other smgs.
Also it gets a massively ahistorical optical sight that probably never went into production and didn't see combat, because the children who play these games can't even handle ironsights in a game that takes place 75+ years ago.
imagine if everything was spring loaded, so you could unfold it by pressing just one button
Stop I can only get so errect
..."And whats with that button?"
"This one makes your gun implode"
"okay.."
Hit the button, flip it up in the air, catch a fully unfolded SMG, rack it and start firing. John Wick 100.
Switchblade but it's a gun!
Awesome and that’s one transformer I would love to own! Thanks for all the fun and informative stuff you are able to show us!!
I've only seen this level of folding up on new tacticool guns, although I guess I shouldn't be suprised that some guy in france did it decades ago out of sheet metal
"The greatest pistol caliber carbine until the sub2000" -George Kellgren (probably)
Pocket SMG, and I'm not talking about the FMG-9
Well technically the fmg is a machine pistol
@@Davenzoid I thought so too. I also believe that the name got updated some years ago to reflect its designation; FMP9.
Davenzoid does it stand fucking machine gun? Or am I dumb?
@@purplesweaterboi4763 F: Folding M: Machine G: Gun
@@purplesweaterboi4763 Well it could be a folding machine gun but yeah your version's pretty nice too.
It was very timely to make an update for this really cool smg!
2:18 "So... let me go ahead and [show you it's features]"
4:26 The extending barrel is so cool! Ive never seen that in a gun before, that has some style!
When Ian started folding it up, I was hearing Transformer noises in my head. 😎
The barrel springing out was just sick
Hotchkiss also built cars between 1903 and 1955 - the badge/logo featured a pair of crossed cannons, showing their origin as an arms manufacturer.
Forgot to turn on speakers before I pressed play. Before I turned them on I could still hear clearly in my head as the video played "Hey guys! Thanks for tuning in to another video on forgottenweapons.com. I'm Ia-" and sounds back on.
It's a beautiful thing how consistently and simply you're videos start.
I loved this beauty ever since your first video on it, such an interesting concept.
This is the coolest gun I've ever seen, wish there were modern versions of this. Love to take it to the range and show off how awesome the folding is.
There is something about the look of that gun that makes me want to decorate it with very pretty engraving or painting.
Xhibit: "So I heard you like folds???"
YOOOOOO!!! Ian showed me this gun at my first 2GACM match!!!! Thank you you, Ian!
Beautiful craftsmanship
That is a pretty slick gun! Very clever design.
Straight from ACME catalogue for sneaky hunting the Road Runner ;)
Holy cow, I've seen this gun before! It was one of the star performers at the Cirque Du Soleil!
That's quite possibly the coolest smg I've ever seen.
Awesome, thanks for the redo!
"Carabine Mitrailleur Hotchkiss"
I repeated this passage over and over, it was very cool. I like to hear american people speak in french. So satisfaying !👌😉
Salutations de Lille (France🇨🇵)
So did he pronounce it correctly?
@@patchmoulton5438 it was a little strange because I wasn't prepare, but yes it's quite good 👌😉
Mitrailleuse. Carabine is female.
@@yPhil je ne fais que retranscrire
Okay, this is by far the coolest folding gun I've seen. Still want that folding shotgun more, though.
Goddamn the unfolding of this gun is hella satisfying as everything just locks into place
The only SMG that can hide in a car door. A must have for your Philadelphia suburbs trip.
Well when you said "everything folds", you really weren't kidding.
Ian actually left home without an MP40 magazine!? 😰 He must be sick! 😢🤣
Damn. This was fascinating. I love the ideas in this thing.
How did I not know this existed??? This seriously just took over the #1 favorite gun spot from the mp5...