Should We Promote A United British Identity? (The Big Questions)
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2012
- Hosted by Nicky Campbell, the Big Question asks 'Should We Promote A United British Identity'? Guests include Douglas Murray, Benjamin Zephaniah (who objects to been called "sunshine"!), Haras Rafiq, Kiran Bali, Rev. Canon Sam Randall, Jamil Ahmed and Diana Nammi.
Englisch LK Arg oh yeah nahui
Gar kein Bock amk
Who’s also here because of English major’s course😂
Did u have to fill in a grid too?😂
sameeee, Yes, I'm doing a grid xD
Same here🥲
@@vimachiato7695 lucky you, i have to write a comment😂
@@chiara-ke2ew me too, i didn't expect the vid to be nearly 20 min long..
Wer ist hier wegen Englisch LK?
Pfff, ich bin hier wegen Englisch Grundkurs...
EnglischLK ftw
er sagt sunshine warum geht er direkt auf mutter
nclio Ehre
RIP Benjamin Sir 🙏🏽❤️
I cannot say that I agree with the position the he holds sometimes, but the more I see of him since he passed having not seen him before, the more I think what a wonderful human being.
As a Welsh speaker it's really nice to see Benjamin Zephaniah challenge the idea that English is the only language in the UK. "Britishness" is too often viewed as some ubiquitous Englishness. The idea that the monarchy for example is something special is also a joke. The English monarchy spent centuries oppressing the Welsh and now we have to put up with Charles swanning around claiming he's the Prince of Wales.
Too true
its england and it aint changing ...... live with it
I'd object to being called sunshine as well.
If it had happened in the deep south it would probably have been 'boy'.
Haha he certainly acted like it was some kind of slur. The older gentleman even apologized.
Scotland wants NO part in this. We are sovereign.
Royalist "Anywhere else if you insult the head of state you'll be in trouble" I think if it were up to that guy he would jail republicans. I'm glad he's not in charge.
I forgot about this for homework its 10PM and i feel like god
11:56 that is why I don't think we should promote a British identity: it makes people act like that, where if the Queen is insulted, you suddenly should be ashamed to call yourself British. "That's our Queen!"
This is the danger of nationalism, it can start off looking pretty good because it unifies people until someone steps out of the national identity, then they are 'not British' and suddenly seen as the enemy. Then we can restrict their freedoms because they are no longer one of us. A perfect example of the 'us and them' dynamic.
I don't think people should be encouraged to live separately, I think people should be encouraged to live together without needing to unify under one identity. It may be idealistic, but if you're going to encourage something, surely that is preferable to national pride.
National pride is a dangerous thing, just look at history.
Howard D. Thompson Cousin-marriage leads to genetic defects and mental instability. In some parts of the world it's also a common practice. Maybe you want to live alongside those people because you're a "citizen of the world" but I sure don't.
accidentalprotégé haha what? Of all the examples of people not to live alongside you went for people who marry their cousins?! Bad example.
But as for people you don't want to live alongside, you don't have to. I'm not even sure I would encourage everyone to live alongside, mainly because it simply wouldn't work, but there's a middle ground between living alongside everyone and living as a proud British person. Live in countries, call that country Britain, but why do we have to be proud of it? I don't understand that. I understand why people are proud but not why they should be.
Howard D. Thompson Because even if it isn't "logical" to be proud of the place you're born in, it's still better than the alternative. Japan hasn't had 1400 of their children raped by foreigners.
accidentalprotégé once again strange example, what does that have to do with anything? Border controls and being proud of your country are two separate issues, they may have links but they are not the same. I could say "tighten the borders" (which I wouldn't but anyway) and I wouldn't have to be proud of my country.
Howard D. Thompson
I'm not talking about border control. The Japanese ~are~ proud of their country. Some Japanese schoolteachers were even sacked for saying that pupils didn't have to sing the national anthem.
en.rocketnews24.com/2012/10/21/why-are-more-young-japanese-women-showing-nationalistic-tendencies/
I like benjumen he is genious speak simple and effective words
LOL, Breunchen moinchen. Greeting von Germany aus usw
you are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy, when clouds are grey!
looks like a Saint(Sanct) Petersburg description
Promoting cultural identity is often vague. Sometimes the best way to promote a culture is to actually satire it; The Simpson's is a perfect example of how far American culture can reach a wide audience by satire.
I was just forced by my English teacher. I hate such bs!
Thank u ms. Lubenov...
Das ist ja nichtmal interessant D:
Sorry, that isn't right. Benjamin says later something along the lines of "How can you have on your show someone who calls a BLACK person sunshine" - he took it as a racist remark. Probably thought it meant "Oh, sunburnt, black skin" I dunno. He was overly sensitive or just not very knowledgeable about simple English phrases.
I do have a National Identity I'm Scottish and the sooner we are independent the better.
Go Benji !! Great last words from you !
Of course we should promote our already exisiting UNITED British identity. As the essence of Britishness is unity and co-operation between the four home nations how could a British identity not be a united one?
Britishness is greater than each of its four parts alone. It is also a very distinct identity because the British, although now spread around the world, inhabited a clearly defined area with a remarkably stable history, when compared to the chaos of their European neighbours.
Was ein Schmutz… scheiß English lk
Hahahahaha same
This was 12 years ago, predicting the third world war in 2025
in which year did the British Government legislate for Britain to be a multicultural community? Which cultures of the world are equal to the legislated British cultures of English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish in Britain today. Peoples of the world rejected their Nationality of birth and culture to adopt one of the 4 legislated cultures of Britain to integrate into the united legislated British identity as an equality for all..
I think what they're trying to say is that we might have a lot of different views and different religions, different backgrounds etc. etc. but that having an underlying sense of being British is a good thing.
I agree 100% because as long as we have all manners of people saying "No I don't fit in with the word "British" for X Y and Z reasons" then we will forever fail to get EVERYBODY integrated into society.
Ur old lol
omg i love the guy whos like they are more pakistani here. its the same for indians. my dad used to say he hated how kids taught their kids so much religious stuff etc. when in INDIA they never learnt it from their parents. i mean my parents wore western clothes in india too (mix with indian ) but now only where western after they moved. i mean its understandable when my granparents dont change easily (in my case only my grandma who wears a sari) but younger generations even in these countries do not wear traditional clothing there, so why do they here. i mean for occasions and festivals ok but not normally
A nation of united culture,language,currency,agreement on rights,history and many more examples that make a society inside of a country.
I disagree. They tried to stamp out the Welsh language before. Let Wales exist. Let Scottish English and their culture exist. We dont need to be under one culture. That isnt a bad thing.
@@user-cw1bp9fj2e You were like 10 years to late
There is no such thing as a United European Identity. I'm proud of the history of my native country,and I always place my own country before any other country in Europe. I feel no loyalty to other European countries.
I do admire what many Europeans have done in history,but I feel no loyalty to any country that I do not live in or was not born in.
All I saw is a load of non-British people telling British people what Britishness is. Absolutely disgusting, how have we let this happen.
Live T chill out
It's easy to think about continenl nationalism but it is diffucult to solve disputes within nations, let alone disputes between nations!
Bob Marley's song Exodus is coming true...
no its not insulting but its as/more insulting than "sunshine"
Didn't even need a apology off the man who said "Sunshine" just any white person saying "Sorry" (Like the host) would release the endorphin he needs to settle down. So accustom these people have become to get in high places, through nothing more than being apologized to, that they just don't care where the apology comes from, as long as they are white and are saying "Sorry" they feel content. I have been called sunshine many times, but only real racist will find race issues in that word...do you know (In British culture) the word sunshine is used when you piss someone off be what they say or what actions they do. The old man used it in the right context, but Ben tried to turn it into race. Oh how they love apology.
it wasn't about race, he was mad because it is patronising and insulting when used in a certain context. If Benjamin took it in a racist way, he would've said so.
Gobbygiblet Then he would of just left it alone instead of getting upset about it and pleading to everyone about his offence. This guy is pathetic. Soon calmed down when he got an apology from the host, any apology would do for him, must of release endorphin's or something.
BunWackettBuzzard Think about it though, he was deemed by that ignorant old fool "less British" because he didn't agree with having a monarchy. I don't believe in having a monarchy either, so according to that man I'd be classified as "less British" as well! I can understand why Benjamin would be upset in this instance, I can't speak for other things he may or may not of said and done, but in this case I think his anger and upset is justified.
Gobbygiblet
He said nothing of being "Less British" This Ben, seems to think British culture started post 1950, when really it is over 1000 year in the making. Also This Ben talks about "Look at the bowler hat, that was considered British at one time" as if it was making a point...OK Ben, look at the dreadlocks, they used to be considered Jamaican at one...wait, oh, you wear them...so, you can keep your ancestors culture, but refuse to accept the native people of Britain has their's. The man is an imbecile who knows nothing of this Island.
BunWackettBuzzard I've just rewatched this video and the old man did say he was "less British" for not believing in the Monarchy. So shame on that guy.
Dreadlocks didn't originate from Jamaica, it came from various areas in Africa, Tibetan Ngagpas wore them, Hindu Sadhus commonly dreadlocked their hair, Sufi Rafaees, Malangs and Fakirs in Pakistan also dread their hair, Even Spartan Warriors from ancient Greece Dreadlocked their hair.
Yes he keeps his ancestors traditions, there is nothing wrong with that at all. Hell, if you wanted to wear a Bowler hat and a suit I'd be fine with it, (though you'll probably be mocked by the public for it, though if it's "British Culture" your trying to protect you shouldn't let it bother you, after all it is your "Culture" right?)
Out of curiosity, what "British traditions" are you not aloud to celebrate? Because I'm pretty sure your aloud to celebrate anything as long as it's not harming anyone. Not trying to be rude or patronising, I'm genuinely curious that's all.
the guy was a elder he has the right to call people "laddy, sunshine, son, boy" or any other English term a old man may call someone who is younger.
Yes, the Celts and Silures and Picts, came here (or were already here) in a very different time, for very different reasons, with very different global circumstances. No one who lived in Britain at the time that the Romans were landing, would say that having Roman culture pushed on them was a good thing. No one Briton during the middle part of the first millenium, would say they enjoyed the arrival of Saxon hordes. Yes they have become a part of our identity over time, but it certainly wasn't what we wanted, and it would be idiotic to want more of it. Also, one can hardly compare immigrants of similar genetic identity coming here to, those who are of a very different, and non-related genetic, and cultural, and religious identity, coming here. One also cannot compare the numbers, they are literally incomparable, the levels of immigration we have now, to the levels of the past. So this is a total fallacy that somehow we are and have always been multicultural.
+MrCool Mug What Benjamin Zephaniah does is uses the classic left wing deception of pretending Britain has always been multicultural.
He makes the false equation of using Celts and Picts who are white north western European tribes, with almost identical cultures and ways of life of the existing Brits, that slowly over many centuries, fully integrated into British society, without segregation or parallel cultures in enormous groups forming. The Romans invaded and conquered. They also consisted of western Europeans who introduced hundreds of advancements to the British way of life. Nobody complained.
Now Benji is saying this equates to the last 50 years of unprecedented immigration from far away cultures and races that are almost alien to standard British values that has resulted in parallel cultures that exist along side each other. 27% of babies born in UK last year are from women born in another country. What is happening now is industrial social suicide.
He also uses the bowler hat analogy. WTF A fkn hat is nothing more than a fashion Item. He is using the false equation of a choice of wearing a hat that has gone out of fashion as London moving from 95% White London accent Brits to less than 50% in the space of just a few generations.
And they clap at his brilliantly deceptive answers.
My question is. Does he know how wrong he is?
The Romans brought us so many good things I would need a week to type them.
Muslims have brought us some good things, like few new additions to the British menu. And some bad, like
A totalitarian political religion of supremacist anti liberal values. A huge backward step in the liberation of Women and homosexuals, Intolerance to western values and lifestyle, Massive Ghettos of non English speakers that are not interested in integration, Their own law courts that operate outside national law with insane patriarchal systems of justice, An inherent loyalty to Islam over the State, Honor killings, Rape and pedophilia culture, forced marriages, massive rates of 2nd level incest causing a birth defect epidemic, and a small matter of huge and real threat to national security.
To me, multiculturalism is immigration from many cultures all living spaced out among the host country, who are the majority. People who integrate and learn the language and adopt many of the host nations customs and lifestyle choices. This surely should of been the reason to chose Britain in the first place. Of course you can have freedom of religion, sexuality and wear what you want.
What we have now are people who detest our culture and lifestyle, who are coming here because of how easy life is here compared to other nations.
Jason Chatto
Yes whites integrate with eachother to a large degree, but even in Britain today we have separate nations, calling for their own parliaments. If we are STILL trying to integrate with whites who are our neighbours, how can you EVER expect us to integrate with blacks or muslims?! Madness.
MrCool Mug Sorry you have completely gone off on a tangent. You are conflating regional power struggles, inside the same Race, Religion and cultural group, who share basic values, with an industrial scale invasion of other Races, religion and culture. This is a totally false equation.
Using facts I have just explained how dishonest and misleading Benjamin's argument is. Intentional or not.
You are expecting us to integrate with those who have come here? Do you not think the reasonable thing is for immigrants to at least try adopt the host culture to a level?
MrCool Mug I get you. I don't have any answers to the crazy hole we have dug. Do you?
I do.......a state sponsored programme of miscegenation
What's the meaning of "sunshine"? Is it because of the song sunshine reggae? Or is it just a derogative term for blacks or for Jamaicans...? Please sb explain 2 me.
It isn't derogatory towards black people, Zephaniah just has a stick up his ass and can't take what he constantly throws out. It's more of a patronizing term that's been used for decades in normal society.
Charizarzar I think its fair to say Zephaniah is the British version of Al Sharpton
Its an age old british saying. Nothing to do with racism.
Big up Benjamin Zephania the only one talking sense. Douglas Murray always been a pretentious prat.
I understand a person's need to belong but a culture is not built in three or four generations, if not, in many hundreds of years. If they are totally "Britisized" fine, one can fully identify with the British culture. But they need to acknowledge it's not the same culture of their ancestors, their food, religion background, rituals and habits, costumes, art and symbols. Nothing racist about that. A French person would fall in the same definition, even though much closer to begin with. Trying to stun a culture for multiculturalism is actually denying the host culture. And if it is that, then is certainly nothing British about it, rather its anihilation.
Now go home and get your sunshine box.
I didn't say you did. I was just stating my position on this. "Projecting" word fail.......why am I not surprised.
Benjamin is just trying to justify his beliefs. He doesnt even realise the silures are a celtic tribe I.e. not seperate from the celts like he suggested. Fuck off
I'm not impressed by using filthy language to boost your ego.
Seriously, maybe you have to be an outsider to see the absurdity of this dialogue. I'm a Kiwi, I've lived in Australia for 12 years and have Australian citizenship but my friends and family still consider me a Kiwi. That's because if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck chances are it's a duck. I know what a British identity is - just the same as people assume my husband is going to drink a lot of beer when we travel because he's Australian - bit stereotypical but we are totally proud of our origins. If these people don't know what a British person is then chances are they are not British and just have personal insecurities about their own identities. They need to look inwards instead of telling others what they are!! Viva la Mary Poppins!!
EveonEdge if your man drinks much beer he will probably considered beeing a german
Sry for the eventuality of writing considered wrong- im german xD
Well, if you come from England you dont speak Welsh nor eat how Scots do. We do share a lot but we're also diff.
is it me or is this show about foreigners telling the indigenous what they are?
it's just you :L
andres viveros just you, cos the indigenous are probably foreigners down the line too
he didn't insult the queen lol, he said he would like to get rid of the queen, how the fuck is that an insult? if anybody doesn't agree with the monarchy that is insulting? what planet do you live on?
you would assume with so many minds in a democracy they might foresee this or raise concerns... but to allow the natives to be torn down as racists when they make themselves heard is bizarre.. the immigrant was and is always racist before the native.. perhaps a new term for this presence can be coined.. because this isn't a conclusion made based on race but on security. the media wields a huge club and they beat people with it all the time.
Interesting, as a sense of identity is crucial; yet historically there is a culture of britishness, cultural dimensions, culture facts: that all exist...However, intercultural exchanges may have distorted or augmented this...yet this brings up more questions on wether cultural conflicts are resolved or not....
The fact is these idiots have absolutely no idea of Britains cultural dimensions or even basic critical incidents that have occurred. In this regard none of the people who have spoken are in a position to argue what is and is not British, especially in the modern context.
Zephaniah is a consummate wordsmith . He should know better. The phrase 'sunshine' is NOT racist. Get off your high horse, Benny. It seems to me that it's alright for any culture that rocks up on British shores to celebrate their culture, but the minute anyone dares to celebrate authentic, traditional British culture (or even English culture) they are jumped on by Zephaniah, Campbell and the lefty BBC saps as racist, jingoistic, xenophobes. Talk about double standards.
Ole Gunnar On the contrary, my comprehension skills in regard to English language and clueless fuckwits are fully up to speed. In regard to the need for further education, could I ask you to look again at the words you wrote? The lack of correct grammar and the poor sentence construction both allude to the glaring fact that it is you, not I, that requires a refresher course back at school. Bore off, sad little man.
Ole Gunnar I will credit you with appropriate, albeit excessive use of the vernacular! All the more impressive for someone who evidently knows fuck all about being English. Have you been in the country long? I guess not, with your conclusion that because it's youtube you can be excused for murdering the finest language in the world. Like I said, Sonny Jim, bore off, you are getting awfully tiresome.
looool If you're worried about people not using perfect sentence structures on the Internet, you have a long battle ahead of you mate haha. Although judging from your unnecessarily prolonged responses...I assume you a lot of time on your hands
ANYNAMEYOUWANT U ARE A BIG LOSER
afroguard Any reason for the uppercase rant? I can tell from your moniker that you are slightly sensitive about your heritage, perhaps a little too defensive and evidently with a massive chip on your shoulder. Well, get over it, I guess i have hit a raw nerve. That is often the case when people hear things that make them realise their own poorly conceived rationale has been undermined and they may need to consider a change to their dogmatic outlook. Possibly, to one that is a little more realistic and takes into account that the world is not made up entirely of left wing, utopian dreamers who would appease and placate Adolf Hitler if he was with us today. Keep on SHOUTING, afroguard, it suits you.
I think he was joking, he kind of had a little smile not log after he said it - he is always smiling though so it's hard to tell.
I never said it was racist. That doesn't make it a compliment. He isn't talking to his son and so he has no right to speak to him like that. By calling him sunshine he is deliberately trying to undermine his opinion, just like I undermined yours.
i would point out that the Celts did not embrace the Romans, the britions did not embrace German tribes, and the saxons did not embrace vikings.., they lived along side one another in some cases for some time but the lesson from this is that when push comes to shove, groups do not get on...I would argue that any country deliberately trying to influx Islam is anti-European and is knowingly taking part in what can only result in future negatives for people and politics, are they allowed to vote?
"you just said you obey the law. How did women get the right to vote? By disobeying the law:" -Benjamin Zephaniah (wow)
the guy is a butt crevis, allow it.
People who think that their nebulous idea of Britishness is so easily eroded have no faith in it's worth.
Nobody is trying to stop anybody expressing their culture. Unless, of course, you are one of the tiny but vocal minority who have started conflating the idea of being British with promoting bigotry and intolerance. That isn't "culture" because it has no attributes other than the hatred of others.
Unfortunately I feel that he is very wrong. Studied this area (Suffragettes and Suffragists in the early 20th century) and historians "generally" agree that the Suffragettes who employed violent tactics (arson, vandalism...) did not secure the vote for women in england but actually furthered the prejudice against them. The Suffragists who were peaceful however, who knuckled won and helped the home front effort in WW1, working within the law, did get the vote.
I think everyone is focusing on the sunshine point, I think where Ben Zeph looks most ridiculous is at 13:50. "freedom of speech is absolutely vital isn't it.""He just didn't give me any" wtf are you talking about man?
Daniel Stone He always looks ridiculous. His poems are godawful too.
What? Little Hans wasn't ill.
and he was allowed to insult the queen and yet he isn't allowed to be called sunshine?
That poet "Victim" is a Millionaire.
Professional, mind you.
hE'S TALKING TURKEYS, WHICH IS ABOUT RIGHT.
Come on, I dare you, define Britishness.
While I wait, I'll add that you should probably think about your ancestors: look far enough, and you'll find that they came from elsewhere around Europe, migrated from around the world, bringing with them their own baggage of culture. And though there are always cases of people refusing to integrate, the vast majority happily try and learn: it is human desire to fit in. Now, if it is easy to fit in is another question: integration programs are scarce, and funding is always being reduced.
But here's the thing: don't expect people to leave behind their traditions. We all have some happiness linking us to old memories, and actions, beliefs, food, will always be a way to bring those back.
The culture of these small Isles of Britain has constantly changed over time; why stop at any one point? And more still, what rationale for choosing a specific point? ("You're Christian? How dare you, out of this country, where we pagans are the REAL brits.").
As a side note, remember that while being one of the main colonising forces in history may have given you plenty of wealth, you also forced your culture (the one you had at the time) onto all your colonies (not to mention plundered theirs.). So if you're still wondering why the UK has such an attraction to foreigners around the world, you might want to go back and criticise your royalty for imposing said culture.
Diversity is what unites us.
Right. I'll go back to eating my British chicken tikka masala and curry. Very British.
Lampião weil According to my coworker of Indian descent, curry was introduced to India by the British Raj who modified Thai recipes : curry is Not Indian ! "Diversity is what unites us." Sure; I'm delighted to be one of a people who include blondes, brunettes and redheads as well as green-, blue-eyed, grey-eyed and brown-eyed members which no non-White peoples have. Also which produced the most beautiful women in the world. I don't need to wonder about the attraction the UK has for others . As a commenter on the old BNP website explained,
"Me no daft
Me no clown
Me get dosh off Gordon Brown.
Half I send to Pakistan
Half I give to Taliban
Family save to get a flighty
Come to live in dear old Blighty
Get a job? Not bloody likely!
Go on dole and rip off Whitey."
+eonic11
Your argument is in itself largely inconsistent. Let me break it down:
1) "Curry is not Indian, it's Thai". Well, I'm glad you agree it ain't British. Secondly, that's not entirely true. At all. Curry comes from the tamil work kuri (Being of tamil descent, I can attest to this.). It is native of the entire Indus Valley [1]. However, in no way am I saying that curry doesn't exist anywhere else! The intermingling of cultures has led to curry being all over the world, so I'm glad that happened.
2) Please note the irony in saying you have a coworker of Indian descent, and then going on to generalise by quoting: "Get a job? Not bloody likely!". Have a little respect for people doing honest work, regardless of where they come from.
3) I'm surprised to hear you think "no non-Whites people" accept "blondes, brunettes and redheads as well as green-, blue-eyed, grey-eyed and brown-eyed members". I come from Malaysia, a multicultural society, by far and large (68%) muslim, where people of every creed are accepted. And that's only one example to negate your argument. Have you seen Egypt? South Africa? Brazil? Just because it's less common in some places doesn't mean it's not accepted.
As for the UK having the most beautiful women in the world, you might want to open your horizons and explore a bit mate. Lots of gorgeously smart and beautiful people out there.
4) Finally, quoting the BNP website speaks volumes. Dividing people into "White" and "non-White" is such a binary way of looking at things, and that by far does not encapsulate the world, in a way only such an ultra-nationalist party could do.
As a side note, the BNP is no longer registered in the electoral commission (as of January 2016), because it failed to pay its on registration fee [2], on fraud and corruption claims. So much for issues of only foreigners stealing money.
Also, do you honestly believe that idiotic song was written by someone of foreign descent?
So yeah. Try again.
Sources:
[1]: Andrew Lawler (29 January 2013). "The Mystery of Curry". Slate. Retrieved 3 February 2013.
[2]: Dearden, Lizzie (8 January 2016). "British National Party removed from official register of UK political parties for failing to submit form". The Independent. Retrieved 8 January 2016.
danton you're a butt wart. get to fuck.
Ok sunshine fanny pants.
I have no issue with Scotland and Wales being seperate. Why be under one banner.
the people speaking so positively on a diverse British community might come to other conclusions in an economic disaster, starvation, or total war. if Germany had the immigrants it has now at the end of ww1?. they would have become communist, the red revolutions would have succeeded.but the Germans would have killed so many in the struggle (immigrants) that this would be known as the holocaust and it would justify communism of Germany, by pointing to the racial blood baths that would have been
Defining Political Correctness based on your own present culture is wrong. Right and wrong should be defined through historical experience and enhancement of altruism, not by carping something as "British" or "American" values. Better to study the mistakes of the past and build a culture that can adapt to new changes.
Benny thought "sunshine"was a racist insult.The man has been about politically correct whites for so long his anti racist part of the brain is on overload.
So according the Benjamin Zepheniah Britain has never had an identity? What about England Benjamin? Have we ever had our own identity or is it just other people's?
He's a typical ignorant pillock, who thinks he knows a country better than its own people.
I guess I could say Jamaica hasn't got a culture apart from reggae music.
Big Uff
so my point was someone throwing a shitfit about the word sunshine cant now say anything even remotely negative without being a hypocrite
it's patronising as fuck, that's why he got angry.
15:50 RT news presenter Afshin Rattansi
gar keinen bock
would you say that to aborigines and the Maori? i didnt think so,
ummm how is sunshine a insult?
peter K is paternising
I thought of it as an older gentleman's little jab at people back in the day. Nothing harmful imo.
It's not really an insult, he's just a professional victim.
if people like this has self hate issues they shouldn't take it out on others.
ab 11:50 geht er auf mutter
British-ness is an amalgamation of English, Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish. No person born in Great Britain should call themselves British, when they were born in one of the four countries that make up the United Country of Britain. People born in England are English and their culture is English. People born in Wales are Welsh and their culture is Welsh and the same for people born in Scotland and Northern Ireland. All people in Britain should be proud of the country of their birth in Britain or the country culture they have adopted to live in in Britain. To integrate their equal values with the religion of their choice. People of the world did not emigrate to Britain to be foreigners! Allow the people of the world to identify themselves with the culture of one of the 4 Government legislated cultures of Britain in birth or adoption for a future of belonging to the amalgamated Country of Britain, to work and prosper together for our ever!
What exactly do they mean by sunshine? Isn't it used sarcasticly, like "you alright sunshine?" Is it a racial slur?
+farrah W No it isn't in this case it was more used in a sarcastic manner, it's not a racist term at all... Benji just took umbrage because he didn't like the persons opinion, normally it's used to say hello to someone you like..
+farrah It is nor racist in the slightest. Benji sees racism in everything. He is obsessed with it like religious people see Satan in everything. He has poems about every use of the word black, being racist towards Black people. The word Black as a negative has always been used in language to depict the creatures of the night, evil and witches etc, and has nothing to do with Brown skinned people.
This guy makes a living out of victim culture and anti White Empire rhetoric.
+farrah W it wasn't a racial comment. Calling somebody sunshine is putting some body in their place. This topic is not an easy thing to argue about. Benjamin wants us all to think of a hundred years ago, It suits his argument. He seems to think we should all accept all walks of life into Britain because we are accepting of all walks of life. Benjamin is not taking the brittish view . We do have a breaking point. This is Great Britain and if any body doesn't like it, then fuck off. Go and live in a country that you are happy living in. We need some control in our own country. Its not hard to understand if you really think about it.
carl 123 in this context it was done with a flippin manner, a sarcastic tone, usually it's used as friendly greeting
Elondonlad1984 AFC I agree but its hard hearing people saying Britain has no identity, he's a cheeky twat.
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Benjamin Zephaniah ; another black face promoted by the BBC.
Anybody would think he knows more than us or has an opinion more valuable than ours.
Ben - you are just another voice, no more, no less.
So true.
Why does the BBC constantly used the same useful idiots on its programmes?
Always the same old faces selling the same old propaganda.
"My identity is not having an identity"?! The stupidest statement I have even heard.
I've heard worse.
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I love Benjamin Zephaniah
First, this idea that every nation has a set of core values is completely fallacious - the state apparatus enforces certain values upon the citizenry via legislation, and the citizenry remains plural and divided with each individual/group adopting a 'particular' value system. You seem to think that the values constitutive of this (non-existent) British identity of yours is an a priori truth; but British values are historical, as it were - that is, there is no fixed British identity.
Hallo nico und Maurice
You got very angry for something I din't say. The tone of what you had written implied I had accused you of something, maybe implying deeper issues. Hence the word projecting. Perfect use of the word actually so Idk what your talking about, why your so condescending or just accusatory and angry.
con·de·scend·ing
/ˌkändəˈsendiNG/
Adjective
Acting in a way that betrays a feeling of patronizing superiority.
(of an action) Demonstrating such an attitude.
Hmmm... Would that describe what your doing right now? Ya. So again with the ACTUAL DEFINITIONS (gasp) of the words to back up what I'm saying you might as well stop. That was condescending as well but at least I'll fucking admit it, be honest with yourself.
Benjamin Zephaniah should be deported.
TheDensley7 He's African British. I'm sick of foreigner being given the right to tell us how we should live and when British people take a stance, they have been shouted down as racists.
TheDensley7 So if I move to Japan with an English lady, and we have a child, that child become ethnically Japanese?
BENJIMANBREEG33 I think you need to look up the word "nationality" in the dictionary.
777HAZARD Think you need to look up "ethnicity".
No other country would take him.
What about Benjamin's last point between 19.20-19.36 about disobeying the law?
When my family moved to Britain in the 50s we were always conscious not to call ourselves British as this was felt dishonest by “stealing” the ethnic identity of the true British. I was brought up in a generation that believed that you were born British you do not become British. Same is true ,of-course, for all ethnicities. So we always described ourselves as British citizens which were fine.
the fact you had to try adding something on the end proves my point. Sunshine is what older people traditionally call younger people in England. Just like in my area people call each other Boy it is not racist and it is not insulting, if you come from a culture that thinks those things are rude or racist then that is your problem.
I didn't call you specifically a racist. Projecting much?
Listen to the angels? For fucks sake.. :-(
Psychological projection was first conceptualized by Sigmund Freud as a defense mechanism where a person subconsciously denies his or her own negative attributes by ascribing them to objects or persons in the outside world instead. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting faults onto others.
Exactly what I said you did. Of course it is subjective but I stll used the word right. It'd help you to Google shit.
YES! or you will lose British identity. Immigrant = guest = accept or GTFO!
I'd love to be called sunshine. It's better than fog, or cloud or wind. The bloke with the funny hair should accept other people's opinions and beliefs. He's full of himself. His childishness was revealed in this discussion by more mature members of the audience.
Interesting how the white natives are getting it right.
No, that is not the correct use of "projecting". Condescending ffs stop trying to look smart as you fail every time.
Sorry u can’t be from Pakistan and be British or English. That’s like me living in China and calling myself Chinese. Its simply a myth. I completely respect immigrant groups that come and integrate and work such as the Caribbean’s and can be APART of British culture. Just like I can become apart of any countries culture but it doesn’t automatically make me that countries ethnicity. All this watering down of what it means to be English or British is repulsive and needs to stop, especially when so many of immigrants on this show clearly despise the typical English or British way of living.... in Britain.
Yes, but for the Europeans themselves, without the British.
By that logic what Benjamin did in response is justified.
What a poor little black victim, bz really is. The colour of his skin tells us, he isn't British, born here or not. White skin is British, that's it. His heritage is Blackman land.