The US Navy's Worst Defeat, The Battle of Savo Island 1942 - Animated

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    With the US Marines landing on Guadalcanal, the Imperial Japanese Navy sets out to destroy the US Naval forces in the area, hoping to deal a crushing blow to the invasion forces on the island.
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  • @TheOperationsRoom
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    • @kalasag9113
      @kalasag9113 Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you for such a content-rich video. Do we know what where the ramifications of the combined Allied fleet's ineptness against the IJN? Was anyone disciplined for such a crushing defeat?

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  • @Turgon_
    @Turgon_ Před 3 lety +1730

    Southern Group: "WHO GOES THERE.... Must've been the wind"

    • @Excel-erate-
      @Excel-erate- Před 3 lety +213

      **ally gets shot**
      "hmm guess it was just my imagination"
      **gets stabbed in back**
      "must be my mind playing tricks on me again"

    • @DarkRyderWhisky
      @DarkRyderWhisky Před 3 lety +9

      La li lu li lo should really train more.

    • @PersonalityMalfunction
      @PersonalityMalfunction Před 3 lety +50

      ‘There’s something funny going on around here…’

    • @TeejSSX16
      @TeejSSX16 Před 3 lety +75

      *holes being ripped through your ships*
      "Getting a little breezy now"

    • @sir17pounder8
      @sir17pounder8 Před 2 lety +47

      "Never should have come here!"

  • @MouLouv2
    @MouLouv2 Před 3 lety +1742

    Could you imagine how much differently this might have gone if just a SINGLE person had decided to communicate up the chain of command quicker/at all?

    • @federicoboulware6161
      @federicoboulware6161 Před 3 lety +16

      fr

    • @mystikmind2005
      @mystikmind2005 Před 3 lety +168

      They still would have copped a paddlin simply because the Japanese night gunnery was far superior at that stage of the war... and this is something The allies remained unaware of at the time, regardless if they were aware of the attack. But certainly an organized defense could not have ended 'that' badly.

    • @jcohasset23
      @jcohasset23 Před 2 lety +76

      The communication issue was a problem that would crop up again and again in the Pacific Theater for the Allies.

    • @mystikmind2005
      @mystikmind2005 Před 2 lety +18

      @@jcohasset23 Starting with Pearl harbor - In that case they found a man to blame, but the culprit is not the man, it is the mindset that permeates American forces,,, America was just not ready for war.

    • @cumunist2120
      @cumunist2120 Před 2 lety +17

      Or if mikawa continued and attacked the transports

  • @pickleman40
    @pickleman40 Před 3 lety +117

    10:39 a minor footnote is that Cpt Bode committed suicide after learning his conduct in the battle was under a private investigation and hearing its findings. His failure to even inform his allies cost many lives and he knew it.

  • @CapricornEGO
    @CapricornEGO Před 3 lety +790

    USN Captain: "Who turned on those lights?"
    >the ship is literally blown from under him
    USN Captain: "We are being attacked by the enemy? Can't be! Must be friendly fire."

    • @DankNoodles420
      @DankNoodles420 Před 3 lety +20

      *Said with a thick Russian accent..*

    • @treyhelms5282
      @treyhelms5282 Před 3 lety +48

      @@DankNoodles420 Naw, a Russian voice would say "Do you see torpedo boats?"

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 Před 3 lety +13

      He had just woken up iirc, and did not know the circumstance in which the fighting began. (ie. maybe a friendly ship fired and illuminated them first etc.) and being just woken up, likely can't think too clearly with the sudden pressure on him. It takes about like 30 minutes to sober up after entering deep sleep.

    • @CapricornEGO
      @CapricornEGO Před 3 lety +19

      @@neurofiedyamato8763 Yes, that's why you have another officer on watch making the decisions. You usually trust them to do their job right and not override them the moment your ignorant ass gets on the bridge.

    • @Stuie444
      @Stuie444 Před 3 lety +13

      The captain was off the bridge when things started and needed an update. Also, he was firing on a separate group of ships from the main battle group that was illuminating/attacking him. If you look at 13:22 again, you can clearly see US and Japanese ships intermingled to the northwest (where he was firing). Not a bad decision considering the circumstances.

  • @mindeloman
    @mindeloman Před 3 lety +775

    I remember reading "Helmet For My Pillow" and how the Marines fighting on Guadalcanal were reved-up and cheering as they thought the US Navy was really giving it to the IJN. Little did they realize the USN was getting it's trash kicked and had to get the hell out of dodge for risk of total failure. I can only imagine what the US marines must've felt when they came into sunrise to see the entire fleet gone.

    • @bdillon3747
      @bdillon3747 Před 3 lety +112

      There's a scene in the tv series "The Pacific" based on that. Think the video is on YT

    • @JohnDoe-wt9ek
      @JohnDoe-wt9ek Před 3 lety +118

      Those ships were carrying their logistical support to continue operations on Guadalcanal. To say the least, until the Navy could reorganize and come back with some serious strength, the Marines were on their own against an enemy that had the absolute initiative, holding only a sliver of land (including the airfield on the island) against a numerically superior Japanese force that had logistical support.
      Not to mention that the Marines on the Canal were working with weaponry and equipment that their fathers used in WW1. Springfield 1903's and 1918 Browning .30 Caliber water cooled machine guns. And were eating whatever they could steal or salvage from the Japanese.
      The Solomon Islands left a lot of lessons to be learned by the US Navy and USMC, and just how formidable the IJN and IJA really were...

    • @mindeloman
      @mindeloman Před 3 lety +17

      @@JohnDoe-wt9ek yeah, makes total logistical sense that Admiral Turner would evacuate "until another day" but that had to be a gut punch to Marine morale.

    • @HyperK7
      @HyperK7 Před 3 lety +10

      Not to mention they went to recover the sailors still alive. I think a few pilots from Enterprise were onshore and saw it happen, but I’ll have to double check that.

    • @themodernwarfarehistorian825
      @themodernwarfarehistorian825 Před 3 lety

      @@JohnDoe-wt9ek Yeah

  • @explosivepotatos
    @explosivepotatos Před 3 lety +1037

    Nothing says like a morning worth of strategies. Can’t wait for Battle of Mogadishu Part 2.

  • @stefanmolnapor910
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    I never realized how interesting navel and aerial battles are untill I found the Operations Room! It's like you are watching it all happen, but I am thousands of miles away, and decades away. Truely amazing, Thank you

    • @zjotheglorious
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      navel battles

    • @TheEnergizer94
      @TheEnergizer94 Před 3 lety +48

      @@zjotheglorious yes, a well known aspect of ww2. That's where navel piercings come from, early attempts at navel armor

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      @naitnait00 Před 3 lety +14

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  • @chicagotypewriter2094
    @chicagotypewriter2094 Před 3 lety +566

    Just goes to show you that technology isn’t everything. Training is just, if not, _more_ important. Don’t get too cocky.

    • @opossumbandit4960
      @opossumbandit4960 Před 3 lety +39

      training and communication are key.

    • @CapricornEGO
      @CapricornEGO Před 3 lety +7

      It wasn't training, it was denial caused by the peacetime mindset.

    • @speedydraw
      @speedydraw Před 3 lety +52

      Japanese had better night vision technology at that time ( as well as their training)

    • @kameronjones7139
      @kameronjones7139 Před 3 lety +19

      Technology training and communication is actually what one this battle

    • @JustParadis
      @JustParadis Před 3 lety +7

      Intelligence are also important , remember battle of midway?

  • @Arod9503
    @Arod9503 Před 3 lety +895

    I think Mikawa’s decision to leave Guadalcanal was a very justified decision based on the information that was provided to him at the time. Carrier aircraft would have definitely destroyed his fleet and with the Japanese army command boasting that they can remove the Americans from Guadalcanal he was confident that the navy should deal with the navy and the army with the army. Mikawa was reluctant to lose any ships after his orders were to not lose any.

    • @JoviaI1
      @JoviaI1 Před 3 lety +87

      Watch Montemayor's more complete video on the battle. The carriers were actually out of position and would not have been able to fight back. Had Mikawa gone for the transports, his fleet would have sailed away scot-free with possibly the greatest naval victory in history.

    • @estroulap
      @estroulap Před 3 lety +325

      @@JoviaI1 Yes but Mikawa had no way of knowing that, he didn't have any idea where the carriers were. Working with the information he did have, it was a very reasonable decision.

    • @JoviaI1
      @JoviaI1 Před 3 lety +17

      @@estroulap I agree that it was reasonable but sometimes in war, taking a big risk can turn the war in your favor.

    • @theralfinator
      @theralfinator Před 3 lety +217

      @@JoviaI1 Taking a big risk can also make you lose in a hurry if it doesn't go your way. The Japanese couldn't afford to lose ships like the Americans could.

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 Před 3 lety +157

      @@JoviaI1 Montemayor's video also pointed out Mikawa DID NOT KNOW that the US carriers had withdrawn. In fact the US carriers were there the day before. He took great lengths to stress that point. The Japanese could not afford to lose any ships. Any major warships they lose is permanently lost. The US superior industry could and did replace their losses and more.

  • @katesorenstam9427
    @katesorenstam9427 Před 3 lety +64

    USS Chicago: Well, I'm out. Hope I'm not forgetting anything.
    USS Destroyers: Shit shit shit, where the hell is the cruiser. Did it get sunk?!

  • @ph89787
    @ph89787 Před 3 lety +492

    The beginning of the Great South Pacific clusterfuck.

    • @chicagotypewriter2094
      @chicagotypewriter2094 Před 3 lety +16

      Good way to put it, none better really

    • @CDSAfghan
      @CDSAfghan Před 3 lety +75

      Sometimes it seems the USN and the IJN were competing in who can have the most incompetent commanders and still "win". The answer it turned out was, American naval yards could simply out build the poor decisions.

    • @chicagotypewriter2094
      @chicagotypewriter2094 Před 3 lety +14

      @@CDSAfghan Yeah, plus, Japanese iron ore was kinda shit too. And as well know, Liberty ships just showed America's industrial might

    • @gluesniffingdude
      @gluesniffingdude Před 3 lety +17

      Savo Island may have been America's greatest naval defeat by tonnage, but the fact that this clusterfuck extended to Tassafaronga and Renell Island is just jaw-dropping.

    • @blockmasterscott
      @blockmasterscott Před 2 lety +6

      @@CDSAfghan It seemed that way to me too. It's amazing just how badly both sides in the Solomon Campaigns consistently made bone headed moves.

  • @Rest_Orb
    @Rest_Orb Před 3 lety +311

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  • @1977Yakko
    @1977Yakko Před 3 lety +96

    The Battle of Midway is often called the "Turning Point" of the Pacific War but the nighttime engagements off Guadalcanal seems to indicate the Japanese had plenty of fight in them. Heck, in another night engagement, the only reason we didn't lose the battleship South Dakota is because the battleship Washington wasn't spotted and her gunnery was superb.

    • @gimmethegepgun
      @gimmethegepgun Před 3 lety +34

      Midway was the strategic turning point of the war, due to the damage dealt to the Japanese air capabilities. They won plenty of tactical victories afterwards, but their most important assets were gutted and the US could simply outproduce them to make up for tactical losses.

    • @alexl3731
      @alexl3731 Před rokem +3

      @@gimmethegepgun The myth of the Second World War is an opportunity to defeat Japan in it through the efforts of the military economy. Only the decoding of the enemy code and the advantage gained allowed us to apply an additional advantage from the developed military economy and thus defeat Japan.

    • @madgavin7568
      @madgavin7568 Před rokem +4

      And the reason the USS South Dakota was in danger was because the ships' chief engineer made a cock-up of her electrical repairs (in violation of safety procedures at the time), once an error happened the ship was rendered helpless leaving it in the words of US Admiral Lee; deaf, dumb, blind, and impotent. If that didn't happen the South Dakota may have been able to along with the Washington, inflict significant damage on the Japanese ships.

    • @E-Brightvoid
      @E-Brightvoid Před rokem +2

      Admiral Lee was super competent. He was also an expert on the radars.

    • @randomlyentertaining8287
      @randomlyentertaining8287 Před 11 měsíci +5

      ​@@alexl3731 Code breaking was an important part of the war and saved many lives due to early warning but sheer weight of numbers would've seen Japan defeated sooner or later. They were never going to take the American or Australian mainlands and without taking those mainlands, neither nation would've been defeated.

  • @mindeloman
    @mindeloman Před 3 lety +399

    Just read a little in Admiral Mikawa. Seems like a good dude to me. He retired from the IJN after the battle of the Phillipine Sea and led a quiet life until he died at age 92 in 1981. Hey, that war was a long time ago. Regardless of sides, seems like he did his duty and wasn't a fucking war criminal like so many others.

    • @pranavr4406
      @pranavr4406 Před 3 lety +84

      That sounds like a great life; win a couple of overwhelming victories, come back a war hero, and live peacefully till the end.

    • @The_Modeling_Underdog
      @The_Modeling_Underdog Před 3 lety +160

      @@pranavr4406 Mikawa didn't come back home a hero. He was chastised, just like Tanaka, for "not winning hard enough". Both ended up the war on shore post due to falling out of favour with the Admiralty, which the Allies must have felt grateful about, for they were two of the most capable commanders the IJN had.

    • @The_Modeling_Underdog
      @The_Modeling_Underdog Před 3 lety +8

      @fuckyoutubepolicy staff Truer words have not been spoken.

    • @houraisanproductions5879
      @houraisanproductions5879 Před 3 lety +1

      @fuckyoutubepolicy staff lol

    • @firstconsul7286
      @firstconsul7286 Před 2 lety +23

      Yeah, it's way too easy to lump the "enemy" as war criminals who believed in an extreme form of a popular ideal at the time. There were good men and women on both sides.

  • @michaelfisher7170
    @michaelfisher7170 Před 3 lety +32

    Despite the victory against them at Midway, Savo Island demonstrated that the IJN wasn't out of the game nor was it a force to be ignored. Night fighting was drilled into them, and they were exemplary at Savo. Imagine if Mikawa had heavy battleships in his force, perhaps even a Yamato class. Sorry, I love the "what ifs" of history. One hell of a battle. Thanks for the video!

    • @bsmartr806
      @bsmartr806 Před 3 lety +1

      Me too. If he had afew more ships he probably would have been able to press on to the transports...or worse...what if the Americans had afew carriers there and he was able to sink them before they launched any planes...

    • @nowthenzen
      @nowthenzen Před 2 lety +1

      4 battleships were deployed in the relatively narrow waters of the Slot. 2 of them were sunk and one was heavily damaged. It was not suitable waters for battleships.

  • @renard6012
    @renard6012 Před 3 lety +81

    If luck is when opportunity meets preparedness, what is bad luck? When incompetence meets unexpectedness?
    Because this was more than just bad luck.

    • @tobycatVA
      @tobycatVA Před 3 lety +3

      When incompetence meets apathy.

  • @capt2be
    @capt2be Před 3 lety +185

    2:36..."Commander in Chief, US Fleet, Admiral Ernest J. Young." Should actually be "Ernest J. King." But as always, another great video.

    • @Amann0407
      @Amann0407 Před 2 lety +2

      Admiral Ernest J King was CinC US Fleet and also Chief of Naval Operations as well. And the most even tempered man in the world. :)

  • @henryc3654
    @henryc3654 Před 3 lety +44

    For anyone having major deja vu like me, you may have watched Montemayor's latest upload about a month ago that covers the same battle.

    • @BIDENS_HOG
      @BIDENS_HOG Před 3 lety +6

      Thank you. My brain was completely locked up and I was so sure I'd watched this already!

    • @hdrazor101
      @hdrazor101 Před 3 lety +1

      HAHAHAHAHHAA THANK YOU

    • @gluesniffingdude
      @gluesniffingdude Před 3 lety +6

      There is also Drachinifel's video - he covers the entirety of the Guadalcanal campaign at sea.

    • @BoyangSun
      @BoyangSun Před 2 lety +1

      yeah I was like...hmmm I'm pretty sure I watched this one already.

  • @denderrant
    @denderrant Před 3 lety +41

    If Turner's mistake was planning for what the enemy would do instead of could do, then Mikawa made the correct choice to withdraw, based on the intelligence he had. Not knowing the American carriers had already left the area, he had to assume they were still a factor and thus could hunt his fleet down in the morning. If he'd had more up-to-date intelligence then of course he would have smashed the transports as well.

    • @DiAddict
      @DiAddict Před 3 lety +1

      Yeh but he had one job to do there. Destroy the supply line... Fighting the enemy naval fleet was a prerequisite to that goal.
      He defeated the guardians but no one actually came in to take out the target...
      Also reminds me of later in Guadalcanal when the IJN came to bombard the airfield and supplies only to have a fight with the defending navy, win, and then leave before they were counter attacked.
      There's definitely value in preserving your forces and loving to fight another day, but in the end someone has to finish a mission...
      I think they just severely underestimated the US industrial capacity...

    • @denderrant
      @denderrant Před 3 lety +7

      @@DiAddict Well, the underestimation of U.S. industrial capability, or rather the overestimation of their ability to secure their empire before it really kicked in, is true - but a problem coming from a much higher pay grade than Mikawa's. Deciding to turn back was likely a very hard choice for Mikawa. Your points aren't wrong, but he had a lot of reasons to act as he did. In addition to planning according to what he believed the enemy could do, his chart room was destroyed during the battle, making it much harder for him to navigate. He also had general directives from higher up to avoid any unnecessary loss of naval assets - the recent disaster at Midway had really shaken the IGN and taught them a hard lesson in caution. Coupled with the Army's assurances that they would handle the Marines, and it must have felt like a lot of compelling reasons to withdraw instead of potentially causing Midway 2.0.

    • @DiAddict
      @DiAddict Před 2 lety +4

      @@denderrant Yeh I agree with you 100%. We're looking at it all in hindsight. Honestly he didn't even have confirmation that the supply ships were even there, as all the scout planes returned after sporting the naval assets.

  • @Neal_Schier
    @Neal_Schier Před 3 lety +30

    Excellent presentation technique of zooming out so that the viewer can get a feel of where everything is being played out. Far too many presenters get buried in a small map scale. Thank you for keeping the perfect balance in these videos.

  • @kurttate9446
    @kurttate9446 Před 3 lety +11

    Even though Mikawa didn’t continue on to sink the transports he did achieve his objective because the next day Fletcher ordered the fleet, including the Enterprise to leave the area. The Marines on the island were left with just the supplies that had already been landed. The next several weeks were touch and go for the Marines.

  • @Stonewall568
    @Stonewall568 Před 3 lety +16

    My Grandfather was on the Vincennes when this went down. Hearing his stories were always terrifying.

    • @jimcrossland557
      @jimcrossland557 Před rokem +2

      My father also was on Vincennes and survived.

    • @braho4998
      @braho4998 Před 8 měsíci

      My grandfather was as well!

  • @opossumbandit4960
    @opossumbandit4960 Před 3 lety +216

    Love all the world war two content but would love to see some breakdowns of battles not as well known or from conflicts not as well known. Perhaps the Yugoslav wars, the Rhodesian Bush war, the Congo Crisis, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, or even some more modern conflicts like the recapturing of Mosul by the ISF and Peshmerga, or the recapturing of Marawi. Just some ideas. Really love your content.

    • @AutismIsUnstoppable
      @AutismIsUnstoppable Před 3 lety +5

      The 2016-2017 raqqa campaign would be interesting

    • @Tekisasubakani
      @Tekisasubakani Před 3 lety +18

      I agree, but think the limiting factor is the possible lack of sources. That said, I hope he does consider what you've mentioned!

    • @Connor-vj7vf
      @Connor-vj7vf Před 3 lety +5

      I think also he needs to do topics that get higher traffic to subsidise production costs

    • @theus663
      @theus663 Před 3 lety +3

      SAA campaign from Aleppo do DeirEzzor would be amazing.

    • @Tekisasubakani
      @Tekisasubakani Před 3 lety

      @@Connor-vj7vf Excellent point!

  • @minethree58
    @minethree58 Před 3 lety +22

    If watching videos like this has taught me anything, it's that the reconnaissance infrastructure and training is the most important part of a military

    • @craftpaint1644
      @craftpaint1644 Před 3 lety +3

      That's what Nimitz said at the time. He was also sorry for having to send light cruisers and destroyers against Japanese battleships, but you do what you can do.

  • @giantrotatingcarrot
    @giantrotatingcarrot Před 3 lety +135

    Crikey! The incompetence of the American leadership was remarkable. I hope that those commanders who lived through this we're relieved of command and put ashore with the Marines on Guadalcanal.

    • @blakestone75
      @blakestone75 Před 3 lety +43

      What about the first recon plane to spot the fleet? "Under orders to tail any Japanese fleey they spot?" hangs around for a few minutes and leaves. and the the fleet being grossly misidentified as being just some gun boats... there was error aplenty going around here.

    • @sevsquad
      @sevsquad Před 3 lety +14

      They weren't they were responsible for several more embarrassments during the Guadalcanal campaign before being relieved.

    • @ramal5708
      @ramal5708 Před 3 lety +24

      Even putting them ashore with the Marines would also put the Marines at risk, I would rather send those incompetent commanders stateside for desk job

    • @DankNoodles420
      @DankNoodles420 Před 3 lety +2

      @@ramal5708 Amen Brother!

    • @DoubleGoon
      @DoubleGoon Před 3 lety +31

      "A formal United States Navy board of inquiry, known as the Hepburn Investigation, prepared a report of the battle. The board interviewed most of the major Allied officers involved over several months, beginning in December.[1]:122 The report recommended official censure for only one officer, Captain Howard D. Bode of the Chicago, for failing to broadcast a warning to the fleet of encroaching enemy ships. The report stopped short of recommending formal action against other Allied officers, including Admirals Fletcher, Turner, McCain, and Crutchley, and Captain Riefkohl. The careers of Turner, Crutchley, and McCain do not appear to have been affected by the defeat or the mistakes they made in contributing to it. Riefkohl never commanded ships again. Captain Bode, upon learning that the report was going to be especially critical of his actions, shot himself in his quarters at Balboa, Panama Canal Zone, on April 19, 1943, and died the next day.[33][34] Crutchley was later gazetted with the Legion of Merit (Chief Commander).[35]"
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Savo_Island#Allied

  • @Robert-jz7hq
    @Robert-jz7hq Před 3 lety +15

    To have been in that submarine, hearing that huge group of ships going overhead, it must have been incredible. Its just a pity such a great early scouting report went completely unnoticed.

  • @chris.hartliss
    @chris.hartliss Před 3 lety +8

    It makes me want to scream whenever I think of the lack of communication in this battle. It could have literally saved lives beyond the beginning of the conflict itself.

  • @mpudlinskiemt
    @mpudlinskiemt Před 3 lety +23

    I was literally checking the channel to see If I had missed an upload. Then BOOM!

  • @jasonx1174
    @jasonx1174 Před 2 lety +14

    I'm actually mainly here to compare Operations Rooms work and Montemayors work on The Battle of Savo Island. O.R. is more straight to the point and does his best to accurately match the battles in detail on his maps while Montemayor goes more in depth with the many aspects surrounding this event that otherwise don't get much attention or is at times not discussed at all. Both do a good job at what they chosen for their style of videos but I do think Montemayor has a leg up since he went over how Vice Admiral Fletcher had his Aircraft Carriers withdraw the previous day before the battle and went more in depth about Mikawa's decision with that added info. Also there was a air raid heading to attack Turner and his transport fleet on the 9th but was redirected to attack the Jarvis, who was heading to Australia for repairs, because a Japanese search plane misidentified her as a Cruiser. The Jarvis would be sunk and be the 2nd (and last) major U.S. Warship sunk with all hands. The first being the U.S.S. Pillsbury.

  • @nitsu2947
    @nitsu2947 Před 3 lety +12

    Astoria: Heh. I'm lucky to have sisters like you two in such a tough fight. Otherwise i wouldn't be able to keep myself from crying

  • @r-saint
    @r-saint Před 3 lety +63

    Not all American torpedoes "missed". Most of them just failed to explode. They had famous defects, fixed only in 1944.

    • @wizofoz0605
      @wizofoz0605 Před 3 lety +8

      That's right, some of them hit the Canberra..

    • @Rusty_Gold85
      @Rusty_Gold85 Před 3 lety +6

      A lot of the Torpedo pilots lost their lives delivering dud torpedoes in attacks during the Battle of Midway . There is a video on them . American ineptness at its finest

    • @Lewd-Tenant_Isan
      @Lewd-Tenant_Isan Před 3 lety +3

      @@Rusty_Gold85 to be fair a lot of other Torpedeos at the time ended up being duds, it wasn't only the Americans that suffered from this.

    • @alltat
      @alltat Před 3 lety +20

      @@Lewd-Tenant_Isan The story of the US torpedo screw ups during WW2 are on a whole other level. They tried to save money by not actually testing them before mass producing and distributing them, which turned out about as well as you'd expect.

    • @grant9939
      @grant9939 Před 2 lety +1

      Why was the mark 14

  • @harmacist6623
    @harmacist6623 Před 2 lety +5

    When the title said *'Worst Defeat'* I already have a low expectations, but holy sh*t

  • @myost99
    @myost99 Před 2 lety +8

    My neighbor at my previous house was on the USS Vincennes and spent around ten hours on a life raft after it was sunk. I only spoke to him a few times, I felt awkward as I had to almost shout to talk to him since his hearing was almost gone.

  • @Revy8
    @Revy8 Před 3 lety +9

    the allies dropped the ball hard. reports not going through or not being reported at all smh. "Sir, should we use this radio to inform our side of the situation?" "No, save the electricity and put the kettle on would you?"

  • @fistsmcnasty
    @fistsmcnasty Před 3 lety +6

    I really like this format. I’ve watched lots of documentaries on different battles, but it’s so much easier to appreciate the tactics used when you can see the actual movements.

  • @Vuk_Stajic
    @Vuk_Stajic Před 3 lety +5

    Insane detail, thank you so much for your effort!

  • @ronanbax6102
    @ronanbax6102 Před 3 lety +3

    Started watching you not too long ago. I really appreciate how much effort you put in to make this accurate and digestible for everyone! Thanks!

  • @flippinkamikaze8738
    @flippinkamikaze8738 Před 3 lety +8

    I really love the succinctness of this presentation, and it highlights the value of relying on multiple sources for information. I saw Montemayor's breakdown of this battle, and it was equally enjoyable, but for different reasons; this video is very tightly focused on the battle itself; Montemayor's breakdown provides deeper context about the events leading up to the battle, as well as its consequences.
    Well done to both creators for shedding light on this battle!

  • @5tuartGuy
    @5tuartGuy Před 3 lety +5

    Honestly your videos are amazing my friend, the amount of knowledge and detail in them and the way you present this makes them really engaging and enjoyable to watch

  • @cyberdyne9480
    @cyberdyne9480 Před 3 lety +6

    Appreciate the time and effort put in to these 👍

  • @PCTechHub
    @PCTechHub Před 3 lety +4

    Posting on the opening credits because I’m that excited

  • @pushing2throttles
    @pushing2throttles Před 3 lety +5

    The operations room is quickly becoming one of my favorite CZcams channels. Great content. Great job guys.

  • @larsporsena7115
    @larsporsena7115 Před 3 lety +12

    The Guadalcanal campaign was the real education for all those Naval Academy graduates.

  • @richomanzano8318
    @richomanzano8318 Před 3 lety +5

    I love your works. This is a masterpiece

  • @Caliban_Cam
    @Caliban_Cam Před 3 lety +3

    Honestly the BEST channel on CZcams. The only videos i stop what im doing just to watch. You are a legend mate. Thank you lot so much for the effort you out in🤩🤩

  • @rustyshackleford9017
    @rustyshackleford9017 Před 3 lety +2

    been waitin for this one!

  • @HPCAT88
    @HPCAT88 Před 2 lety +2

    Your research for those video must be gigantic. Thank you for all this work. The result is phenomenal.

  • @andie_pants
    @andie_pants Před 2 lety +3

    I get more stunned with each additional blunder.

  • @HealthySkepticism1775
    @HealthySkepticism1775 Před 3 lety +5

    Neptune's Inferno is an excellent book on this subject and the other naval battles of Guadalcanal.

  • @Midnight.Shadows
    @Midnight.Shadows Před 3 lety +1

    New Operations Room video? What a way to start the day! I love the way you narrate your videos and animate them as well, top tier quality here!

  • @jessiporch7715
    @jessiporch7715 Před rokem +1

    Watching these videos of the war in the Pacific while reading Ian Toll's Pacific Trilogy is a real joy. Thank you.

  • @Bootneck-RMC
    @Bootneck-RMC Před 3 lety +5

    Another great piece of history from WWII, retold superbly.
    Thank you. 👍

  • @pops7249
    @pops7249 Před 3 lety +11

    "Battle of Savo Island"
    animals in Savo island : Why there's a star in sea?

  • @The_Modeling_Underdog
    @The_Modeling_Underdog Před rokem +1

    80 years, today.
    Both TOR and Montemayor videos are a go to about this battle. Excellent quality. Cheers.

  • @christopping5876
    @christopping5876 Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent! Yet again.

  • @donmcmaine9213
    @donmcmaine9213 Před 3 lety +3

    Man your channel is really growing fast, and rightly so. Goodluck!

  • @A407RAC
    @A407RAC Před 3 lety +15

    More Operations Room! Christmas must have come early XD

  • @stephenschufeldt9132
    @stephenschufeldt9132 Před 3 lety +1

    I always get excited with there are operations uploads!

  • @andrewf.909
    @andrewf.909 Před 3 lety +1

    You do such a nice job producing these videos! Thank you!

  • @crazywarriorscatfan9061
    @crazywarriorscatfan9061 Před 3 lety +3

    It's a good day when Operations Room uploads!

  • @jim2lane
    @jim2lane Před 3 lety +6

    Funny how most of the US history books when I was young played up Midway and the Turkey Shoot and mentioned little about what happened in between in battles like this

    • @Rusty_Gold85
      @Rusty_Gold85 Před 3 lety +1

      Add to the torpedoes were dud designed , all their early war aircraft were inferior , early war tanks were a joke , Navy firing systems behind in technology . Even the British showed them how to land a F4U Corsair on a Aircraft Carrier . Australians Squadrons at Milne Bay developed early war 41-42 tactics for the Zero . One Tomahawk Flight Squadron captain died proving an attack theory didnt work ,he was demanded to use

  • @conspiraciesarejustgreatst2059

    TOR, I look forward to your every upload. You are fantastic and deserve far more attention, as I mentioned in a previous video or two. You never cease to amaze me sir. Great work

  • @Fatkiller22
    @Fatkiller22 Před 3 lety +1

    Always a good day to see a new video from you pop up

  • @keyurjoshi458
    @keyurjoshi458 Před 3 lety +5

    First Montemayor and now you. Great commentary from both!

  • @kevinzuniga4910
    @kevinzuniga4910 Před 3 lety +50

    The US Navy didn’t have a good time at Guadalcanal at all. The Japanese really showed the US Navy they ruled at night time battles in August and November!

    • @black10872
      @black10872 Před 3 lety

      The Marines had it far worse! The infantry ALWAYS get it worse!

    • @craftpaint1644
      @craftpaint1644 Před 3 lety +3

      @@black10872 the Marines had no envy for the sailors and their officers that were washing onto the shore though - some bodies bitten by Sharks too.

    • @black10872
      @black10872 Před 3 lety +4

      @@craftpaint1644 I'm pretty sure it's a horrible way to die getting eaten alive by sea creatures. However, sailors are on a ship with 3 hot meals a day, 2 showers a day, a clean well maintained ship, and a nice warm bunk every night. A sailors life is pretty damn good as long as the ship don't sink. But when you in Army or Marine infantry deployed to the front. You don't get such luxury! You get dirt on your clothes, mud on or inside your boots, shit on your draws because you just pooped and urine on yourself because you were scared as hell when the enemy fired shots at you, food rations that are not really good, you have no idea when you are going to get fresh new clothing, and you can possibly catch a sickness or disease that's alien to your immune system. And you have no idea when you are leaving the hellish place of the battlefield. The navy life is a hell of a lot better than Army or Marine life.

    • @dongiovanni4331
      @dongiovanni4331 Před 3 lety +2

      @@black10872 the Navy lost almost as many sailors in this battle alone as the ENTIRE Marine Corps did in the entire campaign.
      And the marines aren't fully ashore yet...

    • @ramal5708
      @ramal5708 Před 3 lety +1

      November? Wtf USS Washington and South Dakota 16 inch needs your current coordinates, they want to shove their 16" shells up your butt

  • @slartybartfarst55
    @slartybartfarst55 Před 3 lety +1

    Another excellent Video. Always excited when an Operations Room Video pops up! 😊

  • @ryankohl3520
    @ryankohl3520 Před 3 lety

    This is my favorite channel on CZcams!!!! I check all the time for new releases.

  • @johnz8210
    @johnz8210 Před 3 lety +3

    Thanks for the video.
    My mother's uncle was on the Quincy.
    Before this battle he sent home many pictures from his time on that ship. I have a good collection of them. They're pretty good quality considering their age.

  • @longshot6566
    @longshot6566 Před 3 lety +4

    Great content! Please do the defence of Tobruk in WWII

  • @steviedfromtheflyovercount4739

    Excellent video.

  • @DERPprod
    @DERPprod Před 2 lety

    Thank you for this account. So good to see it in your animated design! My grandfather was a Lieutenant-Commander on board the Vincennce. Thankfully survived so that I could listen to the first hand stories as a child.

  • @preoximerianas
    @preoximerianas Před 3 lety +6

    It’s incredible the complete incompetence and lack of communication among both the Americans and Australians.

  • @3pleblow
    @3pleblow Před 3 lety +3

    Like your content specially about WWll naval battles.

  • @seven_hundred-seven_hundred

    Very nice. Thank you.

  • @ruthegosgaming2717
    @ruthegosgaming2717 Před 2 lety +1

    You my friend are a legend. Love the channel, very educational AND entertaining.

  • @petermcmanus5727
    @petermcmanus5727 Před rokem +8

    My Grandfather was on HMAS Canberra, I remember as a kid asking him why he had blue dots up his arm.
    He would just come up with a joke about it. He never spoke about the war, never.
    In my mid 20s we sat down and he told me about the night at Savo Island . The left side of his body was ripped apart from shrapnel, he was floating in the ocean witnessing his fellow crew members drowning from fatigue.
    The Americans plucked the surviving Aussies from the sea the next morning.
    I still have and treasure his US Navy cap and belt with drink bottle pouch and medical kit pouch.
    In 4 days time I'm travelling to Canberra for the 80th commemorative service of the sinking of HMAS Canberra with my mum. Mum was 6 years old in 1942.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment Před 3 lety +53

    This is gonna be as lit as the Tokyo Express' bombardment

    • @craftpaint1644
      @craftpaint1644 Před 3 lety +1

      The search lights, blinking gunfire, and machine gun tracers must have been an incredible sight to behold.

    • @jiroyamada1139
      @jiroyamada1139 Před 3 lety +1

      @@craftpaint1644 Unless you're on the receiving end. :O

  • @crystallineentity
    @crystallineentity Před 3 lety +1

    Excellent video as always man

  • @davidt3563
    @davidt3563 Před 3 lety

    It's so unreal to see how a few mistakes in communication can have such an impact.
    Amazing content!

  • @keno31186
    @keno31186 Před 3 lety +3

    Battle of Mogadishu part 2 anytime soon??? Big fan of the channel.

  • @comeatmebro3229
    @comeatmebro3229 Před 3 lety +6

    5:35 just a small correction it was miss identified as 2 sea plane tenders with escorts not just 2 sea plane tenders

  • @yppdabigo7968
    @yppdabigo7968 Před 2 lety +1

    your videos are really good, thank you

  • @chicagotypewriter2094
    @chicagotypewriter2094 Před 3 lety +2

    Top notch content with the most wonderful thumbnails! I’ll be anticipating the day when you have 1M+ subscribers

  • @wolfu597
    @wolfu597 Před 3 lety +3

    Many doesn't know this, but the battle of Savo Island was only the first out of 5 major nighttime naval clashes, with the final decisive one in november.
    Both sides lost 24 warships during the Guadalcanal campaign. With the Japanese losing two of their battle ships, the Hiei and the Kirishima.
    On Guadalcanal 1000 Marines died before they were relieved in December. The US Navy lost 5000 men in the same time periode.
    In my opinion, the Navy hasn't received the recognition they truly deserve for their contribution to the Guadalcanal campaign.

  • @ares106
    @ares106 Před 3 lety +5

    Nice to watch this from the perspective of different youtubers.

  • @notUrRealDad
    @notUrRealDad Před 10 měsíci

    My new favorite channel. Thanks for teaching me new things and helping me brush up on old knowledge!

  • @larryl212
    @larryl212 Před 3 lety +1

    FANTASTIC!!! Great job... THX!

  • @williamlydon2554
    @williamlydon2554 Před 3 lety +5

    *A heavy cruiser gave all her might
    As star shells lit up black night
    Her crew well drilled never would falter
    Even when enemy shells, tossed up water
    Blow after blow, and still she fought
    Until at last, she was caught
    In searing beams, that drew rapid fire
    Men fell to her decks as the toll grew higher.
    Torpedoes tore, her sides asunder
    Quickly, she began to go under
    Down she went with 370 men
    August 9th, was to be there end.
    And no more, was the Quincy*

  • @GeoHvl
    @GeoHvl Před 3 lety +5

    It amazes me that the US Navy completed anything at all during this time.

  • @TheFaxoy
    @TheFaxoy Před 3 lety +1

    Crazy! Amazing video!

  • @b1ackj3sus45
    @b1ackj3sus45 Před 2 lety +1

    I constantly keep going back to this channel just to see if the Part 2 of *The Battle of Mogadishu* video has uploaded yet, *MY HYPE TRAIN FOR THE VIDEO KEEPS ME SANE DAMNIT!!!!*

  • @dman3398
    @dman3398 Před 2 lety +8

    After watching all the videos on guadalcanal, it's amazing to see how the U.S. largely won by consistently giving the Japanese targets to shoot other than the ground forces. Another naval defeat, yet another small strategic victory, and that ultimately added up. Along with the apparent, frequent incompetence in command, there were quite a lot of selfless sailors out there. Certainly the latter can be said of both sides.

    • @jivan476
      @jivan476 Před 2 lety

      Very interesting point

  • @nuadarstark
    @nuadarstark Před 3 lety +91

    How the hell do you not report the scattering of your whole group, several ships damaged and one ship heavily damaged. I know from the history and other Operations Room videos that the early US naval battles and tactics are just a massive crapshoot, but how the Southern Group did is just beyond belief.

    • @alihasanabdullah7586
      @alihasanabdullah7586 Před 2 lety +9

      They were actively being shot, which might have played a role. Though it is indeed a grave mistake

    • @wallacejim3738
      @wallacejim3738 Před 2 lety

      88u

    • @derpynerdy6294
      @derpynerdy6294 Před 8 měsíci

      You simply cant report a full detail in darkness and confusion

    • @bridgecross
      @bridgecross Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@derpynerdy6294 True, but reporting any attack at all might have changed everything. This entire battle seemed to turn on lack of information; the higher command didn't believe the enemy was even in the area.

  • @Gerdam
    @Gerdam Před 2 lety +1

    This is an absolutely fantastically well made video.

  • @collintrytsman3353
    @collintrytsman3353 Před 3 lety +1

    really good as always

  • @Queltamas
    @Queltamas Před 3 lety +13

    Lol, pretending to search for enemy ships while in fact you're just running away

    • @wilsonlee4658
      @wilsonlee4658 Před 3 lety +1

      cant really blame them. they were ambushed, shot at, on fire, blinded, and getting overwhelmed. and he saw a lone ship away from where the fire was coming from.

  • @capiae7077
    @capiae7077 Před 3 lety +13

    I think it'd be a good idea to put the flags of nations next to the ships names. Just to make things a bit more clear

  • @ImplodedAtom
    @ImplodedAtom Před 3 lety +1

    So much eye rolling here!

  • @mac_attack_zach
    @mac_attack_zach Před 2 lety +1

    I love the new plane animations, nice work dude