Just watched this and subscribed. Both for the content and also for your deep and thoughful responses to the comments. Haven't seen much of this in the Tube. Anyway the current 236 subscribers as of today does not represent the quality of you site, this should be a least above 500k at the least. More power to you man! Keep it up!
Thanks for your support and feedback man! I'm making these videos for fun and also as a way to share my experiences with others, but I'm also trying to learn more and improve as I go so hopefully the quality gets a bit better over time! I'm not sure whether I'll be able to respond to everyone if I get way too many subscribers and comments anyway, so it's still fairly manageable for now and I quite like that haha
O yea definitely, I’d love to get back to some Brooks shoes sometime but have too many other shoes in my rotation at the moment haha! What other shoes from other brands have you tried and enjoyed as well?
@@charlesvictoria6800 Ahh nice, have heard many good things about the Cliftons too! I’ve actually never owned any Hoka shoes but have tried on the Mach 6 instore recently and they felt fairly comfy, might consider them one day as an alternative to the Endorphin Speeds hmm..
Has anyone else worn or tried on the Brooks Glycerin 20? What were they like for you? Please feel free to share your thoughts, opinions and experiences, or let me know if you have any questions in general about the Glycerins, I'd be happy to answer them! Also, what’s your current go-to shoe for easy, recovery and long runs? Got any recommendations? I probably shouldn't use these Glycerins for much longer but likely will, haha...
Thanks for your comment! I haven’t had a chance to try the Brooks Hyperion Max in person but it was a shoe I was really interested in some time ago, I heard it’s like a slightly taller Hyperion Tempo which I mostly enjoyed running in as well. Might check it out again someday, the only downside is the price haha… it’s still usually around $240-300 AUD here!
i have a little more than 1000 km with my saucony ride 15. outsole and midsole are still good especially the outsole but the upper already has hole in the medial side of the forefoot. i just retired them and got puma deviate nitro 2 as replacement
Thanks for sharing your experience, sounds like you can’t go too wrong with them. I was interested in the Rides (and even the Kinvaras) a while ago as a lightweight daily trainer, but ended up getting the New Balance Rebel v3 instead to mix it up. How’s the Deviate Nitro 2s so far? Heard plenty of great things about them, apparently they’re similar to the Endorphin Speed 3s which I’m a big fan of.
Hey great question! I haven't worn that many types of shoes across my running journey so far, so part of me feels like the types of shoes I've worn has dictated my foot strike, rather than the other way round. I'm still unsure which foot strike is most suited for me personally, but I think as long as we do proper strengthening exercises and don't overstride, we should be fine for the most part. With foot striking, I'm not too sure myself, I believe I'm mostly a heel striker but I'm pretty sure I also midfoot and forefoot strike sometimes as well. I think for me it mostly depends on whether the surface I’m running on is flat or hilly, although the heel drop of the shoe definitely plays a role in it. In regards to the surface I run on, when it's relatively flat, I'm heel striking, but when going uphill, I switch to forefoot striking, which makes it easier for me to increase the cadence and get up those hills a bit faster. When going downhill, the last thing I want to do is heel strike because it causes a braking effect which is pretty harsh on the joints, so it's usually midfoot/forefoot striking there. In my experience, the Glycerins also have a decent heel to toe transition, and it's relatively easy to switch foot strike when I need to, although that may not be the case for others, and maybe not what the shoes were designed for. In regards to heel drop, I think when you run in a high heel drop shoe (the Glycerins have a 38mm heel height and 10mm heel drop, which seems quite standard for max cushioned shoes), you just end up heel striking most of the time. You can likely still midfoot and forefoot strike in the Glycerins just fine, but for me it certainly feels less natural, like it takes conscious effort to not heel strike just because the heel is massive and definitely noticeable. Plus the Glycerins feel quite blocky, with a fair amount of its weight being distributed more at the rear. So in my experience, as mostly a heel striker, I've pretty much done all foot strikes on the Glycerins without too much trouble. If you're primarily a midfoot striker, I'm not sure whether the Glycerins are quite suitable, as I've heard some midfoot and forefoot strikers prefer lower drop shoes, but then there's also plenty of others who run just fine in high heel drop shoes. Sorry I couldn't tell you much more than that since I'm not too knowledgeable on these kind of things but yeah, if you end up getting a chance to try on the Glycerins sometime, let me know how it feels, I'd be curious to know as well!
Hey thanks for your comment and I'm glad you asked - I used to be a big fan of the 1080v10s, and actually had 3 of them before I bought the Glycerins! For reference I was running in Ultraboost 4.0s for about a year (1700km) before trying the 1080v10 for the first time. It's been a while but I think my first impression of the 1080v10 was that they felt much lighter and just about as springy as the Ultraboosts. I was a heavier runner at the time so the Ultraboosts were somewhat soft, springy and the ride was kinda decent, however they were quite bulky, clunky and narrow, so the 1080v10 felt like a massive upgrade to me - I felt lighter and faster on my feet. At the time I was still kinda new to running so wasn't too aware of how the midsole felt in terms of firmess, and haven't tried on many shoes for comparison, however the knit upper, wide stable base and overall lightweight feeling of the shoe was definitely noticeable and I really enjoyed the 1080v10s for what it was. Interestingly all 3 pairs of my 1080v10s were in different colourways and manufacturing dates, and I bought them about 6-7months apart. The 1st pair I bought locally felt medium firm (could only compare to my Ultraboost 4.0) and I ran 1200km in them before retiring them, the 2nd one I bought 6 months later from overseas was rather firm and I ran 400km in them before retiring them, and then the 3rd pair I bought directly from New Balance online with newest manufacturing date felt softer than my 1st pair, and I wore that one for the longest, for about 2300km. Not sure why, could be just some quality control issues or manufacturing defects or something, I didn't really enjoy the 2nd pair at all, they were definitely firmer than the other 2 pairs for no reason, infact all 3 had different midsole firmness from each other. The first time I wore the Glycerins, they did feel kinda firm and somewhat clunky, but that's in terms of standing, walking and running very slow paces. The midsole's nitrogen-infused DNA LOFT v3 technology is supposedly marketed as super soft but I personally felt it was slightly firm, probably about as firm as the 1080v10s actually. I was however a lighter runner when I wore the Glycerins than when I was wearing the 1080v10s, so I suspect shoes with somewhat firm and high cushioning are more suited for heavier runners - the more weight or force you put into the midsole, or even the faster you run, the more it bounces back I guess? I'm not too sure on this, I never really wore any other Brooks shoe before the Glycerins so had no idea what to expect from them, but lots of reviews also mention the same thing - that they're not as soft as claimed. Personally I found that the midsole not being super soft didn't matter too much for me, they still felt quite light for how clunky it appeared, were way more responsive, stable and durable than the 1080v10s, and since the Glycerin's rocker is more pronounced than the 1080v10s (I actually never noticed the rocker with the 1080v10s but definitely noticed them on the Glycerins when I wore them for the first time), the ride and heel-strike to toe-off transition was much smoother overall. I was able to run in them from 8:00min/km all the way to 3:30min/km, and even did my half marathon time trial and marathon race in them (I think I had like 600-700km of mileage in the Glycerins before I did the marathon race and somehow they felt alright, maybe could've went bit faster if they were new haha). Also, the Glycerin's midsole is slightly flared out by design and is flat to the ground with full carbon rubber coverage on the outsole, so was super stable and durable (after 1700km, the midsole is still intact, although kinda firmer than when new and lost its bounce, and the outsole is worn down evenly but intact), unlike the 1080v10 where chunks of the outsole rubber and midsole literally ripped off as you racked up the mileage (or at least that's what I experienced and have seen from reviews online). I'd say the 1080v10's upper was more comfy (the Glycerins were still very comfy but didn't have the sock-like fit and stretch knit upper), but that's about it, whereas the Glycerins felt like a straight upgrade compared to the 1080v10. Also keep in mind both shoes are 2 years apart in terms of release I think, and I also haven't run in the 1080v11 or 1080v12 to compare. Overall I really enjoyed the Glycerins over my 1080v10s, however I was a one-shoe pony for both shoes and ran way too much mileage in them to the point where any new shoe would've felt like a massive upgrade. I still have the Glycerins today and would sometimes still wear it here and there, but like all shoes, they've firmed up a fair amount as time goes by but the ride still feels decent to me, though I had to change my mechanics a bit like increasing my cadence, otherwise low cadence with that stiffer foam would probably be tiring and cause injury. Anyways I hope that gives you some insight, if you get a chance to try on the Glycerins, let me know how it goes!
(Per favore abbi pazienza perché sto usando Google Translate per questa risposta, tradotto dall'italiano all'inglese) Ciao, grazie per essere passato! E sì, hai ragione, c'è un piccolo strappo nel tessuto vicino all'area dell'alluce sul mio Glycerins. Ho scoperto che si tratta principalmente di danni estetici e non influiscono in alcun modo sulle prestazioni. Non sono esattamente sicuro del motivo per cui sia successo, ma guardando indietro ora, sospetto fortemente che abbia a che fare con il fatto che quelle glicerine erano un po' spaziose per me (ho i piedi leggermente larghi, quindi ho comprato la variante larga 2E di questa scarpa, che secondo me aveva una base leggermente più larga e un po' di tessuto superiore in più rispetto alla variante con larghezza normale) e ora ricordo che c'erano spesso momenti in cui avevo una scarsa bloccaggio nella scarpa, poiché non sapevo del "tacco" lock" tecnica di allacciatura di allora. Mi è piaciuta la vestibilità generosa, ma a causa del bloccaggio leggermente allentato della scarpa (senza la tecnica di allacciatura con bloccaggio del tallone), quando si trattava di pioggia/tempo umido o di corsa in discesa, i miei piedi scivolavano un po' nelle scarpe, e a volte i miei alluci potrebbero urtare la parte superiore interna dell'area della punta (anche se avevo almeno mezzo pollice di larghezza dall'alluce alla parte anteriore della scarpa in termini di lunghezza e vestibilità), provocando la rottura di una piccola parte del tessuto in un piccolo buco, nel tempo. L'ho trovato un po' strano perché non credo che i miei calzini abbiano mai avuto dei buchi in quella zona, mentre le scarpe sì, il che mi sembra un po' strano, vero...? O forse ho dimenticato... Ad ogni modo, questo problema si è verificato anche con le mie scarpe da corsa più vecchie: le mie Adidas Ultraboost 4.0 e New Balance 1080v10, dove anche la vestibilità era abbastanza generosa, ma avevo anche dei buchi nelle zone delle dita di quelle vecchie scarpe. Ancora una volta, mi sono reso conto in seguito che allora non usavo la tecnica di allacciatura del tallone e probabilmente avevo sempre un bloccaggio scarso. Potrebbe anche essere che l'altezza della punta/soffitto di quelle scarpe fosse un po' bassa? O che il tessuto fosse più soggetto a usura? Difficile dirlo, dato che è passato molto tempo, ma da quando ho iniziato a usare la tecnica di allacciatura con bloccaggio del tallone su tutte le mie nuove scarpe che ho acquistato dopo le Glicerine, il problema ha smesso di verificarsi! È anche possibile che anche la mia forma di corsa sia cambiata nel tempo (in meglio, lo spero). Spero di esserti stato d'aiuto, anche tu hai avuto un'esperienza simile? Sentiti libero di farmelo sapere.
I'm sorry, like you I'm also using Google translator, first of all I wanted to thank you for answering me! I also wanted to thank you for opening up a new world to me (lacing technique) I wasn't aware of! I had a similar situation with the novablast ASIC 3 after less than a couple of months they opened at the back on the upper heel and today the upper is crumbling. I was really disappointed! however, with the Brooks Ghost I mostly wear the footbed in the big toe area, perhaps I'm pushing too much on the toes... I was scared because I just purchased the glycerin 20. Thank you for your prompt response and for the time you you gave me! A kiss and a hug from Naples (Italy).
@@greenlantern844 Nessun problema e apprezzo davvero le gentili parole! E wow, l'Italia, fino all'altra parte del mondo da qui a Sydney (Australia), è meraviglioso! È un peccato per le ASICS Novablast 3, ho sentito che molte persone le adorano, le ho provate solo brevemente una volta e le ho trovate abbastanza comode ma non le ho comprate perché cercavo qualcosa di più leggero al momento tempo (ho usato New Balance FuelCell Rebel v3, che è totalmente diverso ahah). Penso che le Brooks Glycerins siano presumibilmente un passo avanti rispetto alle Brooks Ghost, avendo livelli familiari di comfort, vestibilità e durata ma prestazioni leggermente più elevate e una sensazione premium dove conta (il prezzo più alto e il marketing sicuramente riflettono questo), quindi spero che le Glycerins trattino tu bene! Anche se sono solo un corridore occasionale e non ho molta esperienza in questo campo, ho la sensazione che l'usura della tomaia - ad esempio, buchi nella zona della punta, materiale della tomaia che si separa dall'intersuola o persino usura sul tallone/ zona di Achille - probabilmente è dovuto alla scarsa vestibilità, allo slittamento del tallone o probabilmente anche a un po' di forma di corsa (ovviamente ci sono anche difetti di fabbricazione!). Penso che lo slittamento del tallone avvenga abbastanza spesso ai corridori con talloni stretti/sottili, o anche semplicemente che corrono su terreni diversi (ad esempio superfici irregolari) e pendenze (ad esempio colline e pendii), o anche in caso di pioggia/tempo umido: ognuno di questi scenari può causare il tallone e i piedi in generale per muoversi durante la corsa. E con l'attrito delle calze che sfregano contro i materiali della tomaia, ciò può portare a una certa usura nel tempo. Personalmente trovo che sia soprattutto una questione estetica, piuttosto che pratica o addirittura prestazionale, ma è comunque sicuramente una preoccupazione valida in quanto potrebbe influire sul comfort e sulla durata nel tempo. Penso che l'idea sia che se il tuo piede (specialmente il tallone, in questo scenario) è posizionato più saldamente nella scarpa attraverso una scarpa che calza correttamente (che non è sempre facile da trovare), o altrimenti utilizzando la tecnica di allacciatura con blocco del tallone, ad esempio, si ottiene meno slittamento del tallone e quindi è meno probabile che si verifichino questi modelli di usura. Naturalmente anche l'adattamento e il bloccaggio del mesopiede e dell'avampiede/punta hanno una preoccupazione simile, e trovo che, nella maggior parte dei casi, sia probabilmente positivo lasciare spazio alle dita dei piedi e continuare ad allargarsi o muoversi un po', soprattutto quando si tratta di corse più lunghe, tuttavia, se è troppo spazioso in quelle aree, potresti avere vesciche anche in vari altri modi (ad esempio, vesciche sull'arco plantare da archi bassi/piedi piatti su solette/intersuole ad arco alto, vesciche sul metatarso dovute allo scivolamento delle dita dei piedi sotto la pioggia /tempo piovoso, ecc.) e questo è tutto un altro mondo di problemi! In un'altra nota, sento di aver imparato così tanto nell'ultimo anno, da quando ho fatto questa recensione sulle Brooks Glycerin, per quanto riguarda la corsa e anche le scarpe da corsa in particolare. Trovare le scarpe giuste può essere piuttosto complesso e ricco di sfumature, soprattutto perché i piedi, la forma di corsa, le preferenze, ecc. di ognuno sono diversi. Ho faticato un bel po' a trovare scarpe che si adattassero comodamente ai miei piedi leggermente larghi, cercando anche di trovare un buon equilibrio tra costo e rapporto qualità-prezzo, tra le opzioni in crescita del mercato delle scarpe. Comunque ci scusiamo per questa lunga risposta casuale, spero che questo ti dia ulteriori informazioni in qualche modo!
O man tell me about it! I didn’t know any better back then and to this day the Glycerins are still the most expensive running shoes I’ve bought (and at full retail price), but at least I made the most out of it I guess… probably won’t be getting another Glycerin anytime soon since there’s better options out there for me nowadays but it’s definitely taught me to get the previous years’ model or at least something that’s on sale haha
@@RobOnTheRun as you said "probably won’t be getting another Glycerin anytime soon since there’s better options out there" -- curious as what they may be.
@@RobOnTheRun I bought the Glyceryn 20 in 2023, when version 21 hadn't come out yet. The retail price here is €179.99 (I bought it at a price of €71.99). It's a matter of monitoring price changes in various stores. I have too many running shoes. That said, I only buy with 60 or 70% off. Just one more example, I bought the invincible v2 in 2023 for €41.99 (retail price €179,99) at Nike Factory.
@@razznote7586 Ahh yea good question man, back then I had pretty limited experience with running shoes. All I wanted was a replacement for my very worn out New Balance Fresh Foam 1080v10 (which had about 2300km of running mileage and was the only shoe in my rotation), and was recommended by the local running shoe store to go for the Brooks Glycerin 20. It was durable, comfortable and fit really well, so I also ended up using it for all of my runs and they performed just fine at the time. Since then I've gotten a few other trainers such as the Brooks Hyperion Tempo, Saucony Endorphin Speed 3, Saucony Triumph 20 and New Balance FuelCell Rebel v3. I've also gotten a bit fitter and more efficient with my running form too. Right now I'm training for a marathon and the program I'm following has me doing high mileage and also a lot of tempo/threshold work and long runs throughout the week. Although the Glycerins are comfortable and could technically be used for those types of runs, it wouldn't be my preference anymore because I already have the Speeds and they're just as comfortable yet I feel smoother, faster and more efficient in them. It feels like my Speeds could do everything the Glycerins did (except maybe for recovery efforts) and I even felt better and more efficient in them, but I can't say the same for the other way round. And when it comes to my recovery runs, I usually do them on grass with my Rebel v3s because I don't really need a cushioned shoe for grass, and I also have the Triumph 20s for occasional recovery runs on pavement. So that's pretty much my shoe rotation nowadays which is working well enough for now, and because I sorta have what I need at the moment, I feel like it'd be a bit of a waste to get a Glycerin again. In terms of alternatives, there's so many nowadays... we're looking at high or max cushioned daily trainers right? So for example, New Balance Fresh Foam 1080v12/13, Brooks Ghost Max, Saucony Triumph 20/21/22, Asics Nimbus 25/26, Asics Gel Kayano 30, Asics Novablast 4, Nike Invincible 3, Puma Velocity Nitro 3, Adidas Supernova Rise, and so on. However each shoe is a bit different in terms of stack height, geometry, midsole, fit, etc. Are you considering getting a pair of Glycerins btw?
Thanks for your comment! And yes, I’ve done a marathon in the Glycerins in September last year (the 2022 Sydney Marathon) where I finished in about 3:29. At the time I bought the Glycerins as a daily trainer to replace my worn out New Balance 1080v10s, but keep in mind I only had one shoe in my rotation at any time, since I didn’t know any better. I didn’t even know anything about racing / super shoes so I just wore my Glycerins for the actual marathon race, which wasn’t a fast option by any means but was a pretty safe one since I’ve done a fair bit of training in it (and long runs) and knew I could rely on it. The Glycerins were my main and only training shoe for the last 6-7 weeks of marathon training, and by race day it had around 500-600km mileage already. This means I wore it for all types of marathon training workouts, including: recovery, speed and long runs, plus a half marathon time trial, and it performed well enough for my needs at the time. Couldn’t really complain about them for the actual marathon race, even though it’s been through so much mileage already, it held up well enough and got me through the finish line, even with quad cramps for the last 12km - which is nothing to do with the shoe but rather poor fuelling and energy management haha… Was it a fast shoe? I guess so, since I didn’t have anything else to compare to at the time. Was it comfy? Absolutely. Did it get me through training and the actual race? For sure. However if you asked me today whether I’d wear a new pair of Glycerins for an upcoming marathon, although it could be done, it wouldn’t be my first choice anymore. It feels too clunky for my needs now, I’d much rather wear my Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 or Pro 3, but that’s because my preferences have changed since then - I now prefer lighter shoes in general and I really enjoy the springier midsole foam in the Speeds / Pros. I guess my point is that if the Glycerins are the only shoe you have currently, you likely would’ve already done a fair bit of training in them, including long runs, which aren’t too far off from the actual marathon. As long as those long runs and your training in general has gone well for the most part, 3:45 isn’t too ambitious of a goal time, the comfort and fit is decent and it hasn’t been the cause of injuries, blisters or hotspots - I think you’ll probably do just fine in them for the actual marathon. Of course there’s plenty of other options available to race in, but you’ll have to consider fit, comfort, budget, etc. How far out are you from your marathon race, and are you planning to get some kind of dedicated racing shoe?
@RobOnTheRun thanks Rob for the detailed review. I am running as a pacer for my country premier KL Marathon actually. Given 2 pairs of Brooks, the Hyperion Max and Glycerin 20, must wear either of these as Brooks is the sponsors. Thought the Max will be the ideal shoes for the job but it's not, the short ungusseted tongue keep sliding and very firm midsole just hurt my feet in a test 20-miler over the weekend. So I'm very confused now because the Glycerin 20 is just heavy and the upper looks like will absorb all the sweat and becomes an even heavier pair after 20k. Hot and humid country here.
@@livegreatalways Oh wow that sounds like a great opportunity, hopefully the race goes well! I haven't tried on the Hyperion Max ever but I would be inclined to agree that it doesn't seem like the best option for the race especially after your experience with it - comfort is definitely a big thing to consider when you're running for almost 4 hours... At the same time, the Glycerins are quite heavy and that does become more noticeable as the race goes on like you said. Based on my experience the upper was more breathable than it appeared, and I never really had issues with sweating in them even, it does get a bit hot and humid here in Australia sometimes but I guess not quite as bad as over there in Malaysia. It did carry a fair bit of water when I wore it during heavy rain but personally that didn't bother me too much. Otherwise it was very comfortable to wear in general with quite a roomy fit (although probably not great for narrow feet), had what I thought was a decent upper that doesn't get in the way or cause blisters, and a solid, padded heel counter that provided decent support. I think given those 2 options only, I'd still go with the Glycerins for comfort alone and the only extra thing I'd do is add in the runner's loop / heel lock. Have you done a long run in the Glycerins recently? I think the midsole in it is different to the Max's and might be a bit more forgiving? And would you say the 3:45 goal time is reasonable within your fitness level and that you're somewhat ready for it? For example, if your PB is like 3:15, I think a 3:45 goal time in Glycerins should be ok, even though it probably won't feel like a fast racing experience, it'll probably still be quite decent and more comfortable than the Max for the most part. Although I wouldn't know much about the pacing part - that seems a bit tougher if your PB is around 3:45-4:00 for example, and you're running in the Glycerins trying to get pacing on point and dealing with shoe's weight becoming more apparent throughout the race.
@RobOnTheRun my usual marathon time is around 3:20hrs to 3:35hrs. I have only taken the Glycerin up to 13k so far, comfortable yes. I will test it to 30km hopefully this weekend. Marathon on 01-Oct. The Max really wrecked my feet. Most likely will go with the Glycerin 20, not much choice. Thanks so much, Man.
@@livegreatalways Ahh fair enough and solid PBs for sure. If only they provided you some Hyperion Elites to race in hey? Hopefully the Glycerins feel alright during the long run and the marathon too, feel free to let us know how it goes!
Hey mate, "GTS" stands for "go-to-support" - it means the shoe features Brooks' "GuideRails" support system that helps reduce excess joint movement and promote a healthier, more aligned stride. So the GTS model will have some supportive material in the shoe, especially along the outer edges of the shoe and around the arch area I believe, to help keep you foot more aligned. Whether you need support shoes will depend on your foot profile, so if you're unsure about this then it's best to get it checked up by a foot or shoe expert, or even see if you can try them both on in person / in store. The non-GTS model is pretty much the base model (which is the one in this video) and will just be neutral profile, so it'll feel almost flat when you wear it, as there won't be any additional supportive material (which isn't a good or bad thing, it's just whether it suits your foot profile). The only bit of support you get in the non-GTS model is maybe the insole, which has a slight arch (GTS has the same insole I think). Other than that it's pretty much the same upper, midsole, outsole, etc. as the GTS, but again just lacks that extra support. Another version of the Glycerin is the "Stealthfit", which has the GTS and non-GTS model. The Stealthfit has a different upper, it's more of a sock-like material and is a bit more stretchy and accomodating. The one I have is the standard one but I've tried on the Stealthfit and it's very comfy (not sure how it'll perform or how secure it'll be when you start running with it though). If you really like the Glycerins and are curious about a possibly more comfy version of it, I reckon the Stealthfit is worth a try if you get the chance. So yeah there's the Glycerin (base model, neutral), then Glycerin GTS (support shoe), then Glycerin Stealthfit (neutral with sock-like upper), then Glycerin Stealthfit GTS (support with sock-like upper). If you have wider feet keep in mind the Glycerin and Glycerin GTS does come in wider versions (2E for men, D for women), but I haven't seen wider versions for the Stealthfit versions (maybe it's not needed since it's a pretty flexible, comfy and accomodating upper). Hope this helps, definitely try them on in store first if you get the chance, and let me know how you go with it!
Wow I'm glad you mentioned Ultraboost, what a throwback - the Adidas Ultraboost 4.0 was actually my first running shoe I used when I took up running 3 years ago! At the time I bought it as a daily casual shoe, so for walking, gym and bit of jogging, but decided to run in them as well because of how light and bouncy it was, as you've pointed out. The upper and knit was super comfortable, and the midsole and outsole were quite durable too - I ran about 1700km/1 year in them before I retired them, and the bounciness and its condition in general wasn't even that bad by then! Eventually I replaced the Ultraboost 4.0 with the New Balance Fresh Foam 1080v10 - the biggest reason being that the Ultraboost wasn't the best fit for my foot profile. Everything about the shoe was comfortable, except the width, which was a bit too narrow for me. During longer runs, the discomfort and tightness became quite noticeable after some time, whereas the 1080s came in wide sizing and was lighter, which was quite accomodating. It's been a while since I've worn Adidas shoes, however there's some interesting releases for running that I'd like to check out sometime such as the Adizero Boston, Adizero Adios and Takumi Sen. Also, since the last time I used the Ultraboost 4.0, I think they've released so many new versions such as the 5.0, 19, 20, 21, 22, Light, etc. - I wonder what those are like... I've yet to revisit them but I may check them out some day as the Ultraboost certainly holds a very special place amongst my running shoes!
@@RobOnTheRun Honestly, Ultraboost has almost across the board gotten not great reviews and is seen as more of a style shoe that is trying to be a running shoe, rather than a truely good running shoe! It looks max cushion but isn't and is very heavy. There are MANY better choices out there, especially for the money 'cause they are stupidly expensive, including the Glycerin 20, On Cloudsurfer or Cloudmonster, Clifton 9, or the more peppy extremely versatile Triumph 20. Even the new Ultraboost lite is getting bad reviews, including that it isn't light!!
@@bev9708 I believe you may be right here, the Ultraboost was my first running shoe I wore when I started running 3 years ago, and at the time I was a heavier, beginner runner who didn’t know any better at the time so I just went with it. Looking back, the Ultraboosts were quite blocky and narrow but were certainly bouncy compared to whatever random shoes I used to wear for casual jogging. Since then, I actually haven’t tried on or worn that many running shoes, but I’m now more picky on aspects such as weight (light is definitely great, like you mentioned), fit (whether it suits my foot profile type and width), grip, breathability and so on. You can bet I’d be asking around and trying to do some research before buying new shoes now! Regarding the other brands and shoes you mentioned - I’ve never tried On or Hoka shoes actually, they certainly have some interesting shoes in their lineup, will have to check them out sometime! Also, having run in the Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 quite often recently, I do have my eyes on the Triumph as a potential replacement for my Glycerins. Just waiting for some nice sales and discounts on the current models when they release newer models, though there doesn’t seem to be that many crazy markdowns here in Australia compared to what I’ve heard online in USA and Canada for example… Thanks again for your insight and recommendations!
@@RobOnTheRun Yeah Rob I’m with you, I ONLY buy shoes on sale, got my Triumph 20 for €82!! 😁. You will find the T20 just slightly firmer and faster than the Glycerin, slightly more versatile, still soft enough for easy days for most people though I still prefer the Invincible Run V1 or V2 myself if you find a good deal on those. The Novablast V2 should be easy to find discounted too, though again personally I prefer the V1, they are awesome !! 🙋🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️👍🏻
Just watched this and subscribed. Both for the content and also for your deep and thoughful responses to the comments. Haven't seen much of this in the Tube. Anyway the current 236 subscribers as of today does not represent the quality of you site, this should be a least above 500k at the least. More power to you man! Keep it up!
Thanks for your support and feedback man! I'm making these videos for fun and also as a way to share my experiences with others, but I'm also trying to learn more and improve as I go so hopefully the quality gets a bit better over time! I'm not sure whether I'll be able to respond to everyone if I get way too many subscribers and comments anyway, so it's still fairly manageable for now and I quite like that haha
Brooks never disappoints. They make shoes that get the job done without hurting your feet at the end of the day. Glycerins are no exception. The best
O yea definitely, I’d love to get back to some Brooks shoes sometime but have too many other shoes in my rotation at the moment haha! What other shoes from other brands have you tried and enjoyed as well?
@@RobOnTheRun that is a good question. I personally love the Hokas, specifically the Clifton 9s. Like gliding on clouds ☁️
@@charlesvictoria6800 Ahh nice, have heard many good things about the Cliftons too! I’ve actually never owned any Hoka shoes but have tried on the Mach 6 instore recently and they felt fairly comfy, might consider them one day as an alternative to the Endorphin Speeds hmm..
@@RobOnTheRun ohhhh! The Cliftons are on another level trust!
Has anyone else worn or tried on the Brooks Glycerin 20? What were they like for you? Please feel free to share your thoughts, opinions and experiences, or let me know if you have any questions in general about the Glycerins, I'd be happy to answer them!
Also, what’s your current go-to shoe for easy, recovery and long runs? Got any recommendations? I probably shouldn't use these Glycerins for much longer but likely will, haha...
Because of this review, you've earned my sub :D !
Much appreciated mate, I don’t own many types of running shoes but I am planning to make reviews for them as I go!
I use BROOKS HYPERION max. I traveled over 500 kilometers. they are still fast and durable.
Thanks for your comment! I haven’t had a chance to try the Brooks Hyperion Max in person but it was a shoe I was really interested in some time ago, I heard it’s like a slightly taller Hyperion Tempo which I mostly enjoyed running in as well. Might check it out again someday, the only downside is the price haha… it’s still usually around $240-300 AUD here!
i have a little more than 1000 km with my saucony ride 15. outsole and midsole are still good especially the outsole but the upper already has hole in the medial side of the forefoot. i just retired them and got puma deviate nitro 2 as replacement
Thanks for sharing your experience, sounds like you can’t go too wrong with them. I was interested in the Rides (and even the Kinvaras) a while ago as a lightweight daily trainer, but ended up getting the New Balance Rebel v3 instead to mix it up.
How’s the Deviate Nitro 2s so far? Heard plenty of great things about them, apparently they’re similar to the Endorphin Speed 3s which I’m a big fan of.
Are you a heel striker, mid or forefoot? I’m interested in these but mid foot strike and that’s a big heel it seems
Hey great question! I haven't worn that many types of shoes across my running journey so far, so part of me feels like the types of shoes I've worn has dictated my foot strike, rather than the other way round. I'm still unsure which foot strike is most suited for me personally, but I think as long as we do proper strengthening exercises and don't overstride, we should be fine for the most part.
With foot striking, I'm not too sure myself, I believe I'm mostly a heel striker but I'm pretty sure I also midfoot and forefoot strike sometimes as well. I think for me it mostly depends on whether the surface I’m running on is flat or hilly, although the heel drop of the shoe definitely plays a role in it.
In regards to the surface I run on, when it's relatively flat, I'm heel striking, but when going uphill, I switch to forefoot striking, which makes it easier for me to increase the cadence and get up those hills a bit faster. When going downhill, the last thing I want to do is heel strike because it causes a braking effect which is pretty harsh on the joints, so it's usually midfoot/forefoot striking there. In my experience, the Glycerins also have a decent heel to toe transition, and it's relatively easy to switch foot strike when I need to, although that may not be the case for others, and maybe not what the shoes were designed for.
In regards to heel drop, I think when you run in a high heel drop shoe (the Glycerins have a 38mm heel height and 10mm heel drop, which seems quite standard for max cushioned shoes), you just end up heel striking most of the time. You can likely still midfoot and forefoot strike in the Glycerins just fine, but for me it certainly feels less natural, like it takes conscious effort to not heel strike just because the heel is massive and definitely noticeable. Plus the Glycerins feel quite blocky, with a fair amount of its weight being distributed more at the rear.
So in my experience, as mostly a heel striker, I've pretty much done all foot strikes on the Glycerins without too much trouble. If you're primarily a midfoot striker, I'm not sure whether the Glycerins are quite suitable, as I've heard some midfoot and forefoot strikers prefer lower drop shoes, but then there's also plenty of others who run just fine in high heel drop shoes. Sorry I couldn't tell you much more than that since I'm not too knowledgeable on these kind of things but yeah, if you end up getting a chance to try on the Glycerins sometime, let me know how it feels, I'd be curious to know as well!
@@RobOnTheRun thanks so much!
How firm are these compared to the 1080 v10, 'cause I thought those were pretty bad firm? ty
Hey thanks for your comment and I'm glad you asked - I used to be a big fan of the 1080v10s, and actually had 3 of them before I bought the Glycerins!
For reference I was running in Ultraboost 4.0s for about a year (1700km) before trying the 1080v10 for the first time. It's been a while but I think my first impression of the 1080v10 was that they felt much lighter and just about as springy as the Ultraboosts. I was a heavier runner at the time so the Ultraboosts were somewhat soft, springy and the ride was kinda decent, however they were quite bulky, clunky and narrow, so the 1080v10 felt like a massive upgrade to me - I felt lighter and faster on my feet. At the time I was still kinda new to running so wasn't too aware of how the midsole felt in terms of firmess, and haven't tried on many shoes for comparison, however the knit upper, wide stable base and overall lightweight feeling of the shoe was definitely noticeable and I really enjoyed the 1080v10s for what it was.
Interestingly all 3 pairs of my 1080v10s were in different colourways and manufacturing dates, and I bought them about 6-7months apart. The 1st pair I bought locally felt medium firm (could only compare to my Ultraboost 4.0) and I ran 1200km in them before retiring them, the 2nd one I bought 6 months later from overseas was rather firm and I ran 400km in them before retiring them, and then the 3rd pair I bought directly from New Balance online with newest manufacturing date felt softer than my 1st pair, and I wore that one for the longest, for about 2300km. Not sure why, could be just some quality control issues or manufacturing defects or something, I didn't really enjoy the 2nd pair at all, they were definitely firmer than the other 2 pairs for no reason, infact all 3 had different midsole firmness from each other.
The first time I wore the Glycerins, they did feel kinda firm and somewhat clunky, but that's in terms of standing, walking and running very slow paces. The midsole's nitrogen-infused DNA LOFT v3 technology is supposedly marketed as super soft but I personally felt it was slightly firm, probably about as firm as the 1080v10s actually. I was however a lighter runner when I wore the Glycerins than when I was wearing the 1080v10s, so I suspect shoes with somewhat firm and high cushioning are more suited for heavier runners - the more weight or force you put into the midsole, or even the faster you run, the more it bounces back I guess? I'm not too sure on this, I never really wore any other Brooks shoe before the Glycerins so had no idea what to expect from them, but lots of reviews also mention the same thing - that they're not as soft as claimed.
Personally I found that the midsole not being super soft didn't matter too much for me, they still felt quite light for how clunky it appeared, were way more responsive, stable and durable than the 1080v10s, and since the Glycerin's rocker is more pronounced than the 1080v10s (I actually never noticed the rocker with the 1080v10s but definitely noticed them on the Glycerins when I wore them for the first time), the ride and heel-strike to toe-off transition was much smoother overall. I was able to run in them from 8:00min/km all the way to 3:30min/km, and even did my half marathon time trial and marathon race in them (I think I had like 600-700km of mileage in the Glycerins before I did the marathon race and somehow they felt alright, maybe could've went bit faster if they were new haha). Also, the Glycerin's midsole is slightly flared out by design and is flat to the ground with full carbon rubber coverage on the outsole, so was super stable and durable (after 1700km, the midsole is still intact, although kinda firmer than when new and lost its bounce, and the outsole is worn down evenly but intact), unlike the 1080v10 where chunks of the outsole rubber and midsole literally ripped off as you racked up the mileage (or at least that's what I experienced and have seen from reviews online).
I'd say the 1080v10's upper was more comfy (the Glycerins were still very comfy but didn't have the sock-like fit and stretch knit upper), but that's about it, whereas the Glycerins felt like a straight upgrade compared to the 1080v10. Also keep in mind both shoes are 2 years apart in terms of release I think, and I also haven't run in the 1080v11 or 1080v12 to compare. Overall I really enjoyed the Glycerins over my 1080v10s, however I was a one-shoe pony for both shoes and ran way too much mileage in them to the point where any new shoe would've felt like a massive upgrade. I still have the Glycerins today and would sometimes still wear it here and there, but like all shoes, they've firmed up a fair amount as time goes by but the ride still feels decent to me, though I had to change my mechanics a bit like increasing my cadence, otherwise low cadence with that stiffer foam would probably be tiring and cause injury.
Anyways I hope that gives you some insight, if you get a chance to try on the Glycerins, let me know how it goes!
Ciao mi sbaglio o sopra si sono strappate? E dovuto all' allenamento oppure hai urtato?
(Per favore abbi pazienza perché sto usando Google Translate per questa risposta, tradotto dall'italiano all'inglese)
Ciao, grazie per essere passato! E sì, hai ragione, c'è un piccolo strappo nel tessuto vicino all'area dell'alluce sul mio Glycerins. Ho scoperto che si tratta principalmente di danni estetici e non influiscono in alcun modo sulle prestazioni.
Non sono esattamente sicuro del motivo per cui sia successo, ma guardando indietro ora, sospetto fortemente che abbia a che fare con il fatto che quelle glicerine erano un po' spaziose per me (ho i piedi leggermente larghi, quindi ho comprato la variante larga 2E di questa scarpa, che secondo me aveva una base leggermente più larga e un po' di tessuto superiore in più rispetto alla variante con larghezza normale) e ora ricordo che c'erano spesso momenti in cui avevo una scarsa bloccaggio nella scarpa, poiché non sapevo del "tacco" lock" tecnica di allacciatura di allora.
Mi è piaciuta la vestibilità generosa, ma a causa del bloccaggio leggermente allentato della scarpa (senza la tecnica di allacciatura con bloccaggio del tallone), quando si trattava di pioggia/tempo umido o di corsa in discesa, i miei piedi scivolavano un po' nelle scarpe, e a volte i miei alluci potrebbero urtare la parte superiore interna dell'area della punta (anche se avevo almeno mezzo pollice di larghezza dall'alluce alla parte anteriore della scarpa in termini di lunghezza e vestibilità), provocando la rottura di una piccola parte del tessuto in un piccolo buco, nel tempo. L'ho trovato un po' strano perché non credo che i miei calzini abbiano mai avuto dei buchi in quella zona, mentre le scarpe sì, il che mi sembra un po' strano, vero...? O forse ho dimenticato...
Ad ogni modo, questo problema si è verificato anche con le mie scarpe da corsa più vecchie: le mie Adidas Ultraboost 4.0 e New Balance 1080v10, dove anche la vestibilità era abbastanza generosa, ma avevo anche dei buchi nelle zone delle dita di quelle vecchie scarpe. Ancora una volta, mi sono reso conto in seguito che allora non usavo la tecnica di allacciatura del tallone e probabilmente avevo sempre un bloccaggio scarso. Potrebbe anche essere che l'altezza della punta/soffitto di quelle scarpe fosse un po' bassa? O che il tessuto fosse più soggetto a usura? Difficile dirlo, dato che è passato molto tempo, ma da quando ho iniziato a usare la tecnica di allacciatura con bloccaggio del tallone su tutte le mie nuove scarpe che ho acquistato dopo le Glicerine, il problema ha smesso di verificarsi! È anche possibile che anche la mia forma di corsa sia cambiata nel tempo (in meglio, lo spero).
Spero di esserti stato d'aiuto, anche tu hai avuto un'esperienza simile? Sentiti libero di farmelo sapere.
I'm sorry, like you I'm also using Google translator, first of all I wanted to thank you for answering me! I also wanted to thank you for opening up a new world to me (lacing technique) I wasn't aware of! I had a similar situation with the novablast ASIC 3 after less than a couple of months they opened at the back on the upper heel and today the upper is crumbling. I was really disappointed! however, with the Brooks Ghost I mostly wear the footbed in the big toe area, perhaps I'm pushing too much on the toes... I was scared because I just purchased the glycerin 20. Thank you for your prompt response and for the time you you gave me! A kiss and a hug from Naples (Italy).
@@greenlantern844 Nessun problema e apprezzo davvero le gentili parole! E wow, l'Italia, fino all'altra parte del mondo da qui a Sydney (Australia), è meraviglioso! È un peccato per le ASICS Novablast 3, ho sentito che molte persone le adorano, le ho provate solo brevemente una volta e le ho trovate abbastanza comode ma non le ho comprate perché cercavo qualcosa di più leggero al momento tempo (ho usato New Balance FuelCell Rebel v3, che è totalmente diverso ahah). Penso che le Brooks Glycerins siano presumibilmente un passo avanti rispetto alle Brooks Ghost, avendo livelli familiari di comfort, vestibilità e durata ma prestazioni leggermente più elevate e una sensazione premium dove conta (il prezzo più alto e il marketing sicuramente riflettono questo), quindi spero che le Glycerins trattino tu bene!
Anche se sono solo un corridore occasionale e non ho molta esperienza in questo campo, ho la sensazione che l'usura della tomaia - ad esempio, buchi nella zona della punta, materiale della tomaia che si separa dall'intersuola o persino usura sul tallone/ zona di Achille - probabilmente è dovuto alla scarsa vestibilità, allo slittamento del tallone o probabilmente anche a un po' di forma di corsa (ovviamente ci sono anche difetti di fabbricazione!). Penso che lo slittamento del tallone avvenga abbastanza spesso ai corridori con talloni stretti/sottili, o anche semplicemente che corrono su terreni diversi (ad esempio superfici irregolari) e pendenze (ad esempio colline e pendii), o anche in caso di pioggia/tempo umido: ognuno di questi scenari può causare il tallone e i piedi in generale per muoversi durante la corsa. E con l'attrito delle calze che sfregano contro i materiali della tomaia, ciò può portare a una certa usura nel tempo. Personalmente trovo che sia soprattutto una questione estetica, piuttosto che pratica o addirittura prestazionale, ma è comunque sicuramente una preoccupazione valida in quanto potrebbe influire sul comfort e sulla durata nel tempo.
Penso che l'idea sia che se il tuo piede (specialmente il tallone, in questo scenario) è posizionato più saldamente nella scarpa attraverso una scarpa che calza correttamente (che non è sempre facile da trovare), o altrimenti utilizzando la tecnica di allacciatura con blocco del tallone, ad esempio, si ottiene meno slittamento del tallone e quindi è meno probabile che si verifichino questi modelli di usura. Naturalmente anche l'adattamento e il bloccaggio del mesopiede e dell'avampiede/punta hanno una preoccupazione simile, e trovo che, nella maggior parte dei casi, sia probabilmente positivo lasciare spazio alle dita dei piedi e continuare ad allargarsi o muoversi un po', soprattutto quando si tratta di corse più lunghe, tuttavia, se è troppo spazioso in quelle aree, potresti avere vesciche anche in vari altri modi (ad esempio, vesciche sull'arco plantare da archi bassi/piedi piatti su solette/intersuole ad arco alto, vesciche sul metatarso dovute allo scivolamento delle dita dei piedi sotto la pioggia /tempo piovoso, ecc.) e questo è tutto un altro mondo di problemi!
In un'altra nota, sento di aver imparato così tanto nell'ultimo anno, da quando ho fatto questa recensione sulle Brooks Glycerin, per quanto riguarda la corsa e anche le scarpe da corsa in particolare. Trovare le scarpe giuste può essere piuttosto complesso e ricco di sfumature, soprattutto perché i piedi, la forma di corsa, le preferenze, ecc. di ognuno sono diversi. Ho faticato un bel po' a trovare scarpe che si adattassero comodamente ai miei piedi leggermente larghi, cercando anche di trovare un buon equilibrio tra costo e rapporto qualità-prezzo, tra le opzioni in crescita del mercato delle scarpe. Comunque ci scusiamo per questa lunga risposta casuale, spero che questo ti dia ulteriori informazioni in qualche modo!
You can use your shoes the way you want. Not a good idea buying them at full retail price, when they are less of half of the price 6 months later!
O man tell me about it! I didn’t know any better back then and to this day the Glycerins are still the most expensive running shoes I’ve bought (and at full retail price), but at least I made the most out of it I guess… probably won’t be getting another Glycerin anytime soon since there’s better options out there for me nowadays but it’s definitely taught me to get the previous years’ model or at least something that’s on sale haha
@@RobOnTheRun as you said "probably won’t be getting another Glycerin anytime soon since there’s better options out there" -- curious as what they may be.
@@RobOnTheRun I bought the Glyceryn 20 in 2023, when version 21 hadn't come out yet. The retail price here is €179.99 (I bought it at a price of €71.99). It's a matter of monitoring price changes in various stores. I have too many running shoes. That said, I only buy with 60 or 70% off. Just one more example, I bought the invincible v2 in 2023 for €41.99 (retail price €179,99) at Nike Factory.
@@razznote7586 Ahh yea good question man, back then I had pretty limited experience with running shoes. All I wanted was a replacement for my very worn out New Balance Fresh Foam 1080v10 (which had about 2300km of running mileage and was the only shoe in my rotation), and was recommended by the local running shoe store to go for the Brooks Glycerin 20. It was durable, comfortable and fit really well, so I also ended up using it for all of my runs and they performed just fine at the time.
Since then I've gotten a few other trainers such as the Brooks Hyperion Tempo, Saucony Endorphin Speed 3, Saucony Triumph 20 and New Balance FuelCell Rebel v3. I've also gotten a bit fitter and more efficient with my running form too. Right now I'm training for a marathon and the program I'm following has me doing high mileage and also a lot of tempo/threshold work and long runs throughout the week. Although the Glycerins are comfortable and could technically be used for those types of runs, it wouldn't be my preference anymore because I already have the Speeds and they're just as comfortable yet I feel smoother, faster and more efficient in them. It feels like my Speeds could do everything the Glycerins did (except maybe for recovery efforts) and I even felt better and more efficient in them, but I can't say the same for the other way round. And when it comes to my recovery runs, I usually do them on grass with my Rebel v3s because I don't really need a cushioned shoe for grass, and I also have the Triumph 20s for occasional recovery runs on pavement.
So that's pretty much my shoe rotation nowadays which is working well enough for now, and because I sorta have what I need at the moment, I feel like it'd be a bit of a waste to get a Glycerin again. In terms of alternatives, there's so many nowadays... we're looking at high or max cushioned daily trainers right? So for example, New Balance Fresh Foam 1080v12/13, Brooks Ghost Max, Saucony Triumph 20/21/22, Asics Nimbus 25/26, Asics Gel Kayano 30, Asics Novablast 4, Nike Invincible 3, Puma Velocity Nitro 3, Adidas Supernova Rise, and so on. However each shoe is a bit different in terms of stack height, geometry, midsole, fit, etc. Are you considering getting a pair of Glycerins btw?
Nice review Rob. Have you done a marathon in them? I want to do a 3:45hrs and this is the only pair I have, not sure it can do the job. Tq
Thanks for your comment! And yes, I’ve done a marathon in the Glycerins in September last year (the 2022 Sydney Marathon) where I finished in about 3:29. At the time I bought the Glycerins as a daily trainer to replace my worn out New Balance 1080v10s, but keep in mind I only had one shoe in my rotation at any time, since I didn’t know any better. I didn’t even know anything about racing / super shoes so I just wore my Glycerins for the actual marathon race, which wasn’t a fast option by any means but was a pretty safe one since I’ve done a fair bit of training in it (and long runs) and knew I could rely on it.
The Glycerins were my main and only training shoe for the last 6-7 weeks of marathon training, and by race day it had around 500-600km mileage already. This means I wore it for all types of marathon training workouts, including: recovery, speed and long runs, plus a half marathon time trial, and it performed well enough for my needs at the time. Couldn’t really complain about them for the actual marathon race, even though it’s been through so much mileage already, it held up well enough and got me through the finish line, even with quad cramps for the last 12km - which is nothing to do with the shoe but rather poor fuelling and energy management haha…
Was it a fast shoe? I guess so, since I didn’t have anything else to compare to at the time. Was it comfy? Absolutely. Did it get me through training and the actual race? For sure. However if you asked me today whether I’d wear a new pair of Glycerins for an upcoming marathon, although it could be done, it wouldn’t be my first choice anymore. It feels too clunky for my needs now, I’d much rather wear my Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 or Pro 3, but that’s because my preferences have changed since then - I now prefer lighter shoes in general and I really enjoy the springier midsole foam in the Speeds / Pros.
I guess my point is that if the Glycerins are the only shoe you have currently, you likely would’ve already done a fair bit of training in them, including long runs, which aren’t too far off from the actual marathon. As long as those long runs and your training in general has gone well for the most part, 3:45 isn’t too ambitious of a goal time, the comfort and fit is decent and it hasn’t been the cause of injuries, blisters or hotspots - I think you’ll probably do just fine in them for the actual marathon. Of course there’s plenty of other options available to race in, but you’ll have to consider fit, comfort, budget, etc. How far out are you from your marathon race, and are you planning to get some kind of dedicated racing shoe?
@RobOnTheRun thanks Rob for the detailed review. I am running as a pacer for my country premier KL Marathon actually. Given 2 pairs of Brooks, the Hyperion Max and Glycerin 20, must wear either of these as Brooks is the sponsors. Thought the Max will be the ideal shoes for the job but it's not, the short ungusseted tongue keep sliding and very firm midsole just hurt my feet in a test 20-miler over the weekend. So I'm very confused now because the Glycerin 20 is just heavy and the upper looks like will absorb all the sweat and becomes an even heavier pair after 20k. Hot and humid country here.
@@livegreatalways Oh wow that sounds like a great opportunity, hopefully the race goes well!
I haven't tried on the Hyperion Max ever but I would be inclined to agree that it doesn't seem like the best option for the race especially after your experience with it - comfort is definitely a big thing to consider when you're running for almost 4 hours... At the same time, the Glycerins are quite heavy and that does become more noticeable as the race goes on like you said. Based on my experience the upper was more breathable than it appeared, and I never really had issues with sweating in them even, it does get a bit hot and humid here in Australia sometimes but I guess not quite as bad as over there in Malaysia. It did carry a fair bit of water when I wore it during heavy rain but personally that didn't bother me too much. Otherwise it was very comfortable to wear in general with quite a roomy fit (although probably not great for narrow feet), had what I thought was a decent upper that doesn't get in the way or cause blisters, and a solid, padded heel counter that provided decent support.
I think given those 2 options only, I'd still go with the Glycerins for comfort alone and the only extra thing I'd do is add in the runner's loop / heel lock. Have you done a long run in the Glycerins recently? I think the midsole in it is different to the Max's and might be a bit more forgiving? And would you say the 3:45 goal time is reasonable within your fitness level and that you're somewhat ready for it? For example, if your PB is like 3:15, I think a 3:45 goal time in Glycerins should be ok, even though it probably won't feel like a fast racing experience, it'll probably still be quite decent and more comfortable than the Max for the most part. Although I wouldn't know much about the pacing part - that seems a bit tougher if your PB is around 3:45-4:00 for example, and you're running in the Glycerins trying to get pacing on point and dealing with shoe's weight becoming more apparent throughout the race.
@RobOnTheRun my usual marathon time is around 3:20hrs to 3:35hrs. I have only taken the Glycerin up to 13k so far, comfortable yes. I will test it to 30km hopefully this weekend. Marathon on 01-Oct. The Max really wrecked my feet. Most likely will go with the Glycerin 20, not much choice. Thanks so much, Man.
@@livegreatalways Ahh fair enough and solid PBs for sure. If only they provided you some Hyperion Elites to race in hey? Hopefully the Glycerins feel alright during the long run and the marathon too, feel free to let us know how it goes!
Glycerine 20 or glycerine gts 20 is best?
Hey mate, "GTS" stands for "go-to-support" - it means the shoe features Brooks' "GuideRails" support system that helps reduce excess joint movement and promote a healthier, more aligned stride. So the GTS model will have some supportive material in the shoe, especially along the outer edges of the shoe and around the arch area I believe, to help keep you foot more aligned. Whether you need support shoes will depend on your foot profile, so if you're unsure about this then it's best to get it checked up by a foot or shoe expert, or even see if you can try them both on in person / in store.
The non-GTS model is pretty much the base model (which is the one in this video) and will just be neutral profile, so it'll feel almost flat when you wear it, as there won't be any additional supportive material (which isn't a good or bad thing, it's just whether it suits your foot profile). The only bit of support you get in the non-GTS model is maybe the insole, which has a slight arch (GTS has the same insole I think). Other than that it's pretty much the same upper, midsole, outsole, etc. as the GTS, but again just lacks that extra support.
Another version of the Glycerin is the "Stealthfit", which has the GTS and non-GTS model. The Stealthfit has a different upper, it's more of a sock-like material and is a bit more stretchy and accomodating. The one I have is the standard one but I've tried on the Stealthfit and it's very comfy (not sure how it'll perform or how secure it'll be when you start running with it though). If you really like the Glycerins and are curious about a possibly more comfy version of it, I reckon the Stealthfit is worth a try if you get the chance.
So yeah there's the Glycerin (base model, neutral), then Glycerin GTS (support shoe), then Glycerin Stealthfit (neutral with sock-like upper), then Glycerin Stealthfit GTS (support with sock-like upper). If you have wider feet keep in mind the Glycerin and Glycerin GTS does come in wider versions (2E for men, D for women), but I haven't seen wider versions for the Stealthfit versions (maybe it's not needed since it's a pretty flexible, comfy and accomodating upper).
Hope this helps, definitely try them on in store first if you get the chance, and let me know how you go with it!
Have you thought about ultraboosts? They're pretty light, bouncy, and have a good cushion
Wow I'm glad you mentioned Ultraboost, what a throwback - the Adidas Ultraboost 4.0 was actually my first running shoe I used when I took up running 3 years ago!
At the time I bought it as a daily casual shoe, so for walking, gym and bit of jogging, but decided to run in them as well because of how light and bouncy it was, as you've pointed out. The upper and knit was super comfortable, and the midsole and outsole were quite durable too - I ran about 1700km/1 year in them before I retired them, and the bounciness and its condition in general wasn't even that bad by then!
Eventually I replaced the Ultraboost 4.0 with the New Balance Fresh Foam 1080v10 - the biggest reason being that the Ultraboost wasn't the best fit for my foot profile. Everything about the shoe was comfortable, except the width, which was a bit too narrow for me. During longer runs, the discomfort and tightness became quite noticeable after some time, whereas the 1080s came in wide sizing and was lighter, which was quite accomodating.
It's been a while since I've worn Adidas shoes, however there's some interesting releases for running that I'd like to check out sometime such as the Adizero Boston, Adizero Adios and Takumi Sen. Also, since the last time I used the Ultraboost 4.0, I think they've released so many new versions such as the 5.0, 19, 20, 21, 22, Light, etc. - I wonder what those are like... I've yet to revisit them but I may check them out some day as the Ultraboost certainly holds a very special place amongst my running shoes!
@@RobOnTheRun Honestly, Ultraboost has almost across the board gotten not great reviews and is seen as more of a style shoe that is trying to be a running shoe, rather than a truely good running shoe! It looks max cushion but isn't and is very heavy. There are MANY better choices out there, especially for the money 'cause they are stupidly expensive, including the Glycerin 20, On Cloudsurfer or Cloudmonster, Clifton 9, or the more peppy extremely versatile Triumph 20. Even the new Ultraboost lite is getting bad reviews, including that it isn't light!!
@@bev9708 I believe you may be right here, the Ultraboost was my first running shoe I wore when I started running 3 years ago, and at the time I was a heavier, beginner runner who didn’t know any better at the time so I just went with it. Looking back, the Ultraboosts were quite blocky and narrow but were certainly bouncy compared to whatever random shoes I used to wear for casual jogging.
Since then, I actually haven’t tried on or worn that many running shoes, but I’m now more picky on aspects such as weight (light is definitely great, like you mentioned), fit (whether it suits my foot profile type and width), grip, breathability and so on. You can bet I’d be asking around and trying to do some research before buying new shoes now!
Regarding the other brands and shoes you mentioned - I’ve never tried On or Hoka shoes actually, they certainly have some interesting shoes in their lineup, will have to check them out sometime! Also, having run in the Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 quite often recently, I do have my eyes on the Triumph as a potential replacement for my Glycerins. Just waiting for some nice sales and discounts on the current models when they release newer models, though there doesn’t seem to be that many crazy markdowns here in Australia compared to what I’ve heard online in USA and Canada for example…
Thanks again for your insight and recommendations!
@@RobOnTheRun Yeah Rob I’m with you, I ONLY buy shoes on sale, got my Triumph 20 for €82!! 😁. You will find the T20 just slightly firmer and faster than the Glycerin, slightly more versatile, still soft enough for easy days for most people though I still prefer the Invincible Run V1 or V2 myself if you find a good deal on those. The Novablast V2 should be easy to find discounted too, though again personally I prefer the V1, they are awesome !! 🙋🏻♀️🏃🏻♀️👍🏻
Jessie Smith
No worries, thanks for watching!
They suck tbh the 19’was way better
Hey mate thanks for your comment! Any reasons why the Glycerin 19 was better? I'm curious because I never wore any Glycerins before the 20.