Talks with David Godman, Part 1: 'What am I doing wrong?'
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2018
- In August 2018 I was interviewed on my roof by Jussi Penttinen, a Finnish devotee who in recent times has been responsible for collating and uploading the subtitles that appear in many different languages on my CZcams channel. Jussi filmed his questions separately while he was standing on the Arunachala pradakshina road. During the talks he was accompanied by his friend Jukka Korhonen who filmed the replies and later edited the films. Thanks to both of them.
This is one of the best discussions of the realities of sadhana I've ever heard. Every single person who aspires to get serious about their spiritual search should hear this. This is so valuable it should be transcribed and published verbatim. Thank you so much, David!
Dear David Godman, thank you for your wonderful work
Thank you.
Ten years. That's how long before the stench from my sewer began to subside and it was a bumpy road. Lots of ups and downs, encouragements and discouragements. The key is determination and perseverance. Don't give up.
@Jaxson Jadiel Why would I want to be a scumbag?
How old were you when you began your practices?
@@sandraheaton1084 18 years old. I am sure i had engaged in extended meditation a long time before that,as i would have a dream in my early teens of some repeating sound ,and wake up and walk about the house in the early hours of the morning,with a very expanded and deeply still mind,and i dud not know what to make of
Thank you so much.
This is so helpful. It came at the exact moment I needed it. Thank you, David.
I Am a fan. I cannot convey the gratitude I have for yourgreat work on youtube and all the books you have put together!
There is a lot of stinky stuff that is just bubbling up - nothing wrong. Thanks for reassuring David. Peace.
Thankyou for these wonderful videos. More valuable than gold.
Thank you for sharing this with us. 🌸
This came at the right moment, thank you.
Thank you David. It is all very helpful.
Thanks for the great insight. Just wonderful.
So happy to see a new post from you David!
Thank you, David & Jussi. This is immensely helpful.
Thank you for this insight David, it was reassuring to hear this.
Thank you Mr. Godman. I so needed to hear that. 🙏❤️
Thank you David. I needed to hear that.
Thank you. I enjoy listening to your talks, they convey the silence needed to quiet the mind, at least for a bit, and help us continue with the practice.
Thanks sir for giving us guidance in our spiritual pursuit. Got stuck and was wondering what was wrong and here you are , giving us the guidance to the TRUTH. Thank you 🙏
Thank you David, a very valuable help to me.
Thank you David. Děkuji za české titulky:)
Thank you very much. I really appreciate the guidance and clarity that your experience brings to this journey that sometimes feels,at least apparently, done in solitude. I heartly thank the subtitles in spanish🙏
Thanks David... I find a lot of support and inspiration in your videos, also when my self inquiry process seems to have hit a rough spot on the road. 🙏🏻
Amazing how the mind trash comes out the more I practice meditation and Self Inquiry. A lot of quieting to do. David recognizing this effect exists has helped me. Thank you so very much Mr. Godman 🙏
Davidji, thank you so much for explaining that this is not a linear process and there is no "right" method when you self inquire - you have really opened my eyes on a lot of things, especially when one feels they are trying the best that they can and feel stuck in the same place. The best we can do is move forward! Much gratitude to you sir!
Dear David thanks for all new interviews! I enjoy to watch it very much. I cannot travel to India (from Europe) but youtube helps us this way to be Present and also to be in your Presence at least for few minutes. Thanks a lot! 🙏
Thank you for the explanation!
Ramana speaks through David. Thank you so much for sharing... you re the perfect man for this mission. So blessed to have encountered this channel. Wow.. how many people have this grace out of BILLIONS? Thanks again!
THANK'S VERY MUCH FOR FRENCH SUBTITLES !! 🙏
Thank you this was very helpful
Wow! So helpful to hear this!
Awesome Mr. Godman. Great advices regarding the challenges encountered by most of devotees who do vichara marga as taught by Bhagavan.
Thank you very much for czech subtitles. Thank you for your words.
this guy is such a great explainer of a ton of niggling issues ...thank you so much for being real about this .
How eloquent but simple and reassuring. I want to ask David, why didn't I find you years ago, I have known about and revered Ramana Maharishi most of my life. I answer it myself - I have found you now, it is the right time, my time! Thank you for your guidance and the inspirational work you do disseminating Bagwan's teaching.
thank you, David. I respect you as a very noble soul. God Bless you for the help you have given us.
Thank you 🙏
Please do more of these David. Especially any stories about Bhagwan’s life that you haven’t told yet
We are watching this video because of bhagavan's grace . Knowingly or unknowingly that grace is controlling our daily activity . how can it be going wrong ? Thanks so much Davidji. your words are impregnated with Bhagavaan's silence. Please upload more videos
thank you, this help so much :)
Infinitas gracias por su valiosa y sencilla explicación....me llega en el momento justo...siempre se presentaran atascos, en este solitario camino.
Coincido contigo David esa es mi experiencia con 40 años de búsqueda en el taoísmo y el budismo zen. Y el compromiso continúa con la auto indagación. Muchas Gracias por compartir tu experiencia!.
Some words for your spanish.
I'm from Uruguay South America.
I agree with you David that is my experience with 40 years of searching in Taoism and Zen Buddhism. And the commitment continues with self-inquiry. Thanks a lot for sharing your experience!.
Very nice thanks for message reassuring to hear 💓
Thank you
Self enquiry is very powerful tool that I have came across. David has explained it so wonderfully in his videos that if anyone is serious to do it , one can learn and do it perfectly. It is a direct attack to your 'I' which is the hurdle in getting nearer to Self. Only thing is a person should be extremely vigilent while doing self enquiry , else he is carried away by thoughts very easily.
Dear DavidGodman, I salute for your wonderful work about Bhagavan ramana mahrishi lived historical places and its brief details and speeches
Thank you 🙏😃
Muito obrigado! Brasil na escuta!🇧🇷 thanks!🤗🙏
Very true. Thank you!
Thank you (again) for your seva, David, Jussi and Jukka!
Do practice self enquiry? How's it going for you..
@@jackdarby2168 In a way, yeah. If you have faith in the Guru, Bhagavan, God (however you wanna call it), it doesn't really matter "how it goes". Experiences will come and go forever.
@@franksijbenga3724 Yes. I'm practicing now to Maharaj and Bhagavan. Experience comes and goes and its important to go past the world people take to be real. When you practice do you identify with your body
@@jackdarby2168 As long as the habit to identify with experiences (such as the body or certain thoughts, feelings and/or ideas) hasn't been fully exhausted, either through inquiry or submission, we can and will identify with anything and everything we fancy. It's neither a bad thing not a good thing, really, as long as we continue.
thank you david, very clear ...
Grazie 🙏✨
Very useful guidance.
Gratitude 🙏
Thanks David.
Glad to see you talking after a long gap sir. God bless you with good health so that you continue to guide people like us on the path of self enlightenment. Sounds selfish but we want it
Brother,are you from mangalore?
Yes❤️
David thank you for bringing Ramana’s teachings home
Only a realised man can give such profound answers
Gracias ☺ 😊 💖 👍
thankyou
Thanks David for your clear explanation of the larger context and process of Self Enquiry and managing expectations of the path - it's not a silver bullet but a continual devotion towards healing. Just because Sri Ramana did it on the first go, doesnt mean we are too 😂
Grazie 🙏🌹
noted thank you
Brilliant.
good show
"Taking the lid off your own private sewer" Yup!
Thank you so much for this new set of videos!🙌 Again more people finding their way towards The Grace of Arunachala...🙏
Dear Sir Davidji, I have one question for you and I noticed that you're now following these comments, so:
Can you tell what is the history of two little rooms next to the samadhi hall? They are now full of pictures of Bhagavan. I'm asking because in those rooms I felt the presence of Bhagavan almost the same way as in the Old Hall. I think you've told something about them in your previous videos, but I haven't found that clip again, even though i've been watching them many times...
Thank you very much already for your kind response! And also for everything that you've done in the past decades to all humanity and Divine, The Self is working in the most beautiful and powerful ways thru "you". I'm one of the thousands who have found their way to Arunachala (and Nisargadattas teachings) via your videos. (Even though i had heard about Ramana before, your output was very essential on my path)
Also I want to thank Jussi & Jukka!
Eli kiitti hitosti teille että saitte uutta kultaa ilmoille, Ristuksen asialla! Tirun hedelmätorilla tavataan😄🙌🙏
Om Namoh Bhagavate Shri Ramanayah🙏
The two rooms with photos are the old office and bookstore. The room nearest the well by the dining room was the office. Chinnaswami's old safe is still there in a corner of the room as a reminder of its original function.
@@David_Godman Ok, maybe it is the power in the pictures then, that gave me the feeling of His presence. Or maybe I sat there with some power house meditator... Anyhow, experience was stronger than in Samadhi hall or New hall for me that time. Thank you once again for everything! I did see you that time, day after 137. Jayanti, sitting outside of the current bookstore and our eyes met, but I didn't dare to disturb your peace as you looked so peacefull and happy, so i'm glad I got say these things thru this channel.
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Agreed. Didn’t hear Ramana until I heard David!!
David Godman
Dear Sir,
I came to Thiruvannamalai and unfortunately didn’t get to meet you. I felt that probably you don’t mix with people. Hope next time I can get to meet you.
I just heard your video on Lakshmana swamy. Horrified that I didn’t know he lives there and I didn’t even get to visit his ashram to at least pay my respects. Hope I do enough punya to meet sadhus who are still alive and around.
The initial joy of fulfillment of the desire to find the correct practice of Self-illumination to be continued and to abandon and continue until nothing is left to be known.
Thank you, David. We are all icebergs.
What a wonderful surname, sir
Yogash chitta vritti nirodhah
Tada drashtuh svarupe avasthanam
Thank God for you, David 🙏🦄🌹💞
NO ONE EVER GETS ENLIGHTENED!!!! 🤗
Sharanam
как же прекрасно рассказывает Дэвид Годмен
There are clear signs along the path that signify it's working long before final realization. Probably somewhat spoiled westerners consider the specific difficulties arising as _"not working"_ when traditionally these difficulties are actually signs that _"it is"_ working ! For westerners I would, as an introduction and enhancement of Ramana's vichara recommend Douglas Harding's headless way ( _"On Having No Head"_ ) together with particularly Culadasa's systematic teaching on Vipassana ( _"The Illuminated Mind"_ ).
"There is no accumulation of silence in the mind"
What are you doing wrong? First thing is to realize all things come to pass, even the self feeling. It can also come back and pass again, when you understand this is a rhythm like everything else, there's no problem.
Good man God man!
Dear Mr Godman. I understand from your (excellent) eassy on Arunachala that Bhagavan suggested that merely focusing on the form of Arunachala was sufficient to obtain liberation. If one is attracted to this idea, would not this be an easier way to achieve liberation than self-inquiry ?
@4:02 That is so accurate! And I keep smelling it. And I have to remind myself that I Am not that smell or even the smeller or....
In a spiritual path you can have the impression that you always take it from the beginning. But it does not really happen that way. there is a firm, even if insensible continuity.
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Thank you for your words.
It is like it is. After 27 years of studying and doing yoga/meditation we can give up enlightenment if some young guys get it as a present for devotion in the presence of a master and we can work on the "material" "life" to become more happy and healthy again till this "ends".
But for the essential "oneness" you have really to get the right driving licence and the right teacher. I'm bored by all words about it. I know them all.
Going to a master who can click away the curtain is the easiest and shortest way. I didn' t. We can do this.
In your practice do you identify with your body?
Jack Darby : Thank you for your interested answer, Jack. I ve already come to nirvana, yet, so I would say no. But because it doesn t stay, I will proof and examin your question.
Ridgeway Rob : There are several, even many possibilities. Of course you have to write or talk to them, then you ll see much more...if they are awake and if it fits.
But there s Mooji for example. In Germany there are several teachers who are awake...I recommend Prem Buddha and Mari Nil dor ex. In Amerika there is Steven Harrison for ex.
You have to give up your ego in front of her/him.. totally and to know that this is the most important will you have. Give up and you get your real life back which you always have been for so long.. It s a good "deal" :-D
It seems to me that to be helpful instructions are to be given to the individual where they are at. David’s instructions here will work for some but not for others. This goes for all sorts of spiritual teachings. As Ramana said to Yogananda instructions are most effective on a individual basis. These blanket statements and teachings to general audiences belong in a category unto themselves. David makes this clear in other videos and writings.
Awesome awnser,after 40 years of meditation,I agree, . It is a basic question to ask ,when one considers the multi milenia accumulation of detritus. That it can be swept away in a single lifetime of some casual daily session of meditation.
It can be swept away in a single second and it does not require any formal meditation because meditation is what you ARE, not something you DO. The person is something you DO, it is not what you ARE (Rupert Spira). Verify that statement looking back on any dream you ever had. Then make the same switch of perspective in the dream called 'life'.
@@GeertMeertens it appears so,yes ,the practical point that one could make ,is that all practitioners find,vasanas have a very sticky nature and a boomerang action ,they just keep returning to sender.
My god 40years of meditation.. you are something extraordinary
Happy Thoughts :)
yep
If we ask a question, who is aware of the thought or feelings or sensations?we have a reply " I".. we generally identify the "i" with body/mind.. I am tall,short, angry,happy etc. So if we shift the focus from thoughts/feelings to who is aware , that "I" is the knowingness within us, I know I exist. I know I am aware, self evident knowing ..that's the inward "I" deeper essence that exists always, aware of changing of body/thoughts/emotions. Sometimes I try it this way. Helps to shift from what the body/mind identified "i" to deeper Awareness. Not sure if this is right or wrong
You are right. As long as the I identifies with the body/mind you are dreaming. Shifting perspective as you describe is awakening.
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David , I started this "wondermachine" -Consciousness-seeking the I- 30 jears ago. But still some comments about the adjustment
, the fine tuning is welcome.
I have read Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi, listened to Papaji and Mooji on youtube, concepts,concepts, concepts.
No. Not true. Ramana offers a working hypothesis and invites you to test it. I did and by now know it is not a concept.
@@GeertMeertens A hypothesis is a concept with bells on. All religions and philosophies are concepts, they work for some and not for others. That is not meant in a disparaging way but concepts are not truths just because they work for some individuals.
Both Nisargadatta and Ramana's concepts should be more accurately explained; for example he says in deep sleep the world disappears, it doesn't of course as anybody sitting next to a man in deep sleep could testify, he is temporarily unaware of it but not completely, the bodily functions of breathing and heart pumping still go on, hearing still functions, the skin would still feel pain.
Nisargadatta is even more vague; 'you are not the mind or body....there is no body', look in a mirror, it may be maya but it is what we have. Donald Hoffman's 'conscious agents' idea with mathematics to back it up doesn't alter the causal life's path one is on. Donald Campbell's 'free will units of consciousness' ideas doesn't mean you a free of life's burdens, interesting, yes but at the dentist I still need Novocain and I still need to pay taxes.
Thanq.hope to talk with u someday
David Goodman now is an Indian saint.
And to be clear: Liberation isn’t the absence of thought but the death of the apparent individual who has them and never existed at all…
I was thinking of going to the holy hill but was concerned when someone told me there is so much trash around the hill. I wonder if the lake has trash too? I'm not sure if I can be around litter. I wish garbage wasn't such a big issue for me, but if anyone knows, or has any constructive comments I would welcome help to get past this. Thank you.
If you are invited by Arunachala, nothing will stop you...
There's plenty of garbage in us, if you ever cared to see. Now, how does that feel?
What does David mean by countless lives? Did Ramana teach about past lives?
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The Zen approach : If the "I " is an illusion, how can there be any wrong doing !
There is only the Self. Love how these various teachings from all over this world say the same thing. Thank you for sharing and bringing that to Light.
@@ultimanecat3091 What all human's are is a slave to the conditioned mind until they realize who they are. Until that time of realization we say they are, unconscious. Jesus said on the Cross, "Forgive them, for they know not what they do". Meaning: They knew they were killing a man. They knew they were hammering nails into a man's wrists and feet, but Jesus said they don't know what they're doing. Meaning: Unconscious. We forgive all of the offences based on this realization. But, there is still the realm of karma. These people who do break the law, moral or otherwise will "pay" for their crimes. But not in eternity. They return to the One like all life. So, yes all manifestations of ego is illusory. But karma, and good police forces make sure there is repercussions if needed. So hard to put into words, but one has to see the big picture here, and not just the manifestations of ego. Peace.
Takeaway: Spiritual progress is not a linear path