@@dylatron4533 if he cared about the Clawthornes he wouldn't have tried to kill Eda. And I'm about ninety percent sure he's the one who scarred Flapjack
I like this kind of stuff because personally I don’t think Philip was a heartless bastard from the start. He feels like there’s more to him. Remember when we meet him it’s long after both his early journal entries and the loss of his brother.
@@bbg.... even in the new episode it hinted at their being more to it than he’s just an evil prick. It could be a red herring but why make a character you built up a complex flat? Any way I hope they don’t fall into the mistake of assuming the villain has to be sympathetic and likable enough to be redeemed so much so they are barely a villain or worse than satan for no other reason than he evil because he’s the villain.
@@tylerpatti9038 In Hollow mind you can see his past told trough the pictures in the background. I had to watch the episode thrice to pause and look at all of them but its made clear that Phillip murdered his brother himself.
But the real reason he probably did it is because Lilith had her palisman when she time traveled and punched him and he didn’t want to mess up the timeline that led him to power.
That IS actually a good point. Lillith shouldn't have her palisman. But she does. Maybe because she made it post joining the coven. She didn't appear to have a palisman yet. However if that was the case, other recruits would have them too and it was made clear they are all taken away.
It's a common theory - and the most likely to be canon - that Belos recognized Lilith as the woman who punched him because of the time travel thing. He needed her(I don't remember for what it's been a while since i saw the full explanation) for something and so he let her keep her palisman to keep her around Plus; Belos uses her a lot for advertising, and it would be suspicious to potential recruits if they knew the emperor's coven can't keep their palisman. Then almost no one would want to join the coven.
I personally read it as him only returning the Palisman because of the disdain he still has for the Clawthorne Clan, as he blames their ancestor for "corrupting" Caleb. Of course, he's still willing to employ Lilith, because in his eyes, she's "one of the good ones," because she's willing to bow to his new world order
this saddens me, it reminds me a little bit about my sister, when she died I wanted to prevent anyone from doing any of the things that me and her did, because it reminded me of how much happy times we had together, but then i remember who showed us those things, so i just stopped being like that.
i mean it is weird that she would still have her staff after joining the emperor's coven so there is something there. It may not be exactly this but it will be interesting to discover what it was.
And it seems that it is in fact true that Flapjack was originally Caleb’s palisman. From Belos’s reaction to Flapjack it was safe to assume that he recognized the little bird.
Honestly,I want to see some form of humanizing for Philip,no redemption because that's practically impossible now but I sort of want to see the "human" side of his character yknow? Possible guilt for literally murdering his own brother,implications of seeing how the human realm evolved and changed,that sort of thing
Idea: What if he really didn’t, and when they were fighting, the witch (Caleb’s supposed wife, I think) accidentally killed him. *That* might be why he was on a vendetta against the witches so much, due to him blaming them for his brother’s death. Buuut that’s just a theory-
I won't lie, I would love to see a story with a Belos that has this level of humanity. Don't get me wrong, I love our irredeemable genocidal witch hunter, but this guy here would have been just as much of an interesting villain.
In the show, people who joined the emporer's coven had their staff taken away (we all know why), BUt we see lilith with her staff, which is why this comic is nice, it gives a explanation as to why she still had her staff.
@@caxolog unfortunately I don't know the date. But she said it in her "What now" post with her art with the Hexide gang and V snuggled together. With Rebecca Rose and a fan asking if it's kill him or Caleb. Dana retweeted the answer
I remember back in the day, I hoped that Belos would have a redemption arc and actually try to help the owl house in the actually final threat- But sadly, it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen- This though- This made me think back on the fact Belos may still have a heart somewhere
I think belos doesn't hate his brother he just feels betrayed by his action of making love with a witch. Essentially being you became the very thing you swore to destroy meme.
I think the real reason is that he was hoping she would be able to help him get the portal to the human realm. And that's what winds up happening at the end of season 1.
Damn well if these is gonna be a real story line I would believe that.philip didn't mean to kill he's brother or he actually felt guilty killing he's brothere
yeah, and it couldn't have been a similar situation to hunter, where she hides her palisman and keeps them a secret because in agony of a witch, belos is literally watching lilith use her staff
Ok now it makes sense why hunter loves the cardinal because flapjack aka wild bird companion hey look I made you a bird :flapjack recognize him :I choose him bat queen
And hunter is maybe supposed to be a clone or replica of Phillip`s brother so that is why the cardinal palisman likes hunter
The name is flapjack
Yes, thank you
I wonder why it's Missing an eye
@@kylekittycat6074 since Philip killed his brother with a knife, my bet goes to got slashed trying to save him.
The reason for hunter could be psychological, like he just needs his brother by his side
We all know the real reason was bc he recognized it from when Lilith time traveled and knew he couldn't risk messing that up
That also makes sense
100%
Now I feel sad… I thought belos was showing a single shed of sympathy…
Ooow That’s smart
@@dylatron4533 if he cared about the Clawthornes he wouldn't have tried to kill Eda. And I'm about ninety percent sure he's the one who scarred Flapjack
I like this kind of stuff because personally I don’t think Philip was a heartless bastard from the start. He feels like there’s more to him. Remember when we meet him it’s long after both his early journal entries and the loss of his brother.
Nope still heartless form the new episode
@@bbg.... yepp
@@bbg.... even in the new episode it hinted at their being more to it than he’s just an evil prick. It could be a red herring but why make a character you built up a complex flat? Any way I hope they don’t fall into the mistake of assuming the villain has to be sympathetic and likable enough to be redeemed so much so they are barely a villain or worse than satan for no other reason than he evil because he’s the villain.
@@tylerpatti9038 also seems like he "wiped" some of his own memory... either by accident or on purpose
@@tylerpatti9038 In Hollow mind you can see his past told trough the pictures in the background. I had to watch the episode thrice to pause and look at all of them but its made clear that Phillip murdered his brother himself.
When Hunter asks Belos what does Flapjack means: now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time
This maybe explains why belos didn't destroy her palisman.
I think Lilith's palisman is artificial, like hunter's staff
@@hellohello-rb9ig artificial staffs aren't usually animal shaped.
And we saw lilith's palisman alive in, I believe, elsewhere and elsewhen.
It also explains why he didn’t kill owlbert
@@nicholasjohnston1970 he only destroys the talismans of those who join the coven
@@Cris-qn2ii he only eats the palisman because he needs them to survive. There’s no reason why he wouldn’t eat any palisman he could get his hands on
2:39
Lili: I don't understand
Belos: Titan's will
Ohh okay
Lol
Why does no one talk about how this makes Belos a bit more human rather then a ruthless witch hunter
But the real reason he probably did it is because Lilith had her palisman when she time traveled and punched him and he didn’t want to mess up the timeline that led him to power.
That IS actually a good point. Lillith shouldn't have her palisman.
But she does. Maybe because she made it post joining the coven. She didn't appear to have a palisman yet. However if that was the case, other recruits would have them too and it was made clear they are all taken away.
Belos may hate witches, but even he can't handle the hotness of season 1 lilith
i saw someone else say that belos remembered it from the time travel episode, that could be the case
It's a common theory - and the most likely to be canon - that Belos recognized Lilith as the woman who punched him because of the time travel thing. He needed her(I don't remember for what it's been a while since i saw the full explanation) for something and so he let her keep her palisman to keep her around
Plus; Belos uses her a lot for advertising, and it would be suspicious to potential recruits if they knew the emperor's coven can't keep their palisman. Then almost no one would want to join the coven.
I personally read it as him only returning the Palisman because of the disdain he still has for the Clawthorne Clan, as he blames their ancestor for "corrupting" Caleb. Of course, he's still willing to employ Lilith, because in his eyes, she's "one of the good ones," because she's willing to bow to his new world order
this saddens me, it reminds me a little bit about my sister, when she died I wanted to prevent anyone from doing any of the things that me and her did, because it reminded me of how much happy times we had together, but then i remember who showed us those things, so i just stopped being like that.
I’ve always heard doing something they liked to do was tough, but helped in grief.
It’s cute how Caleb is so exited about Flapjack and Philip acts like he doesn’t care but he’s happy that he’s happy😊
Yeah but then he goes and kills him
@@makaylatubes8427 I think he tried to kill Evelyn and accidentally ends up killing him
And then somehow eventually that red Robin finds its way into Hunter’s hands.
Do it also makes you wonder what happened to its eye?
I think it is likely that he and his brother fought flapjack may have been harmed trying to protect his brother.
Pretty sure it's a cardinal
Cardinal not robin
In retrospect, Belos would’ve never been that kind
and it seems almost that the artist was right with this, Flapjack was actually Caleb's palisman (Belos/Phillip's brother)
And why flapjack loved hunter so much because hunter looked like Caleb. And also I understand why hunter is named because he's a witch hunter
if ANY of this turns out to be true then it'll be such a whiplash feeling that I don't think I'd know how to react
i mean it is weird that she would still have her staff after joining the emperor's coven so there is something there. It may not be exactly this but it will be interesting to discover what it was.
@@silentshadow3894 agreed
And it seems that it is in fact true that Flapjack was originally Caleb’s palisman. From Belos’s reaction to Flapjack it was safe to assume that he recognized the little bird.
We all know the real Belos would have eaten that talisman with the most pleasure possible.
Nah lilith still has her palisman
@@theunknown1760 "How?" Now thats one of the biggest mysteries of the series.
@@thiefpersona this comic may be true lol
Honestly,I want to see some form of humanizing for Philip,no redemption because that's practically impossible now but I sort of want to see the "human" side of his character yknow? Possible guilt for literally murdering his own brother,implications of seeing how the human realm evolved and changed,that sort of thing
I think he will probably freak out that human realm became corrupt too and try to destroy it after all.
@@chanterelle483 Hmm Yeah that's a fair point
Wow, I didn't expect how enthusiastic and kind Philip's brother is.
Headcannon: Even though below killed his brother and is terrible he still has his share of regrets.
Idea: What if he really didn’t, and when they were fighting, the witch (Caleb’s supposed wife, I think) accidentally killed him. *That* might be why he was on a vendetta against the witches so much, due to him blaming them for his brother’s death. Buuut that’s just a theory-
@@DawnAnew In the photos in hollow mind caleb had a child(?) Or some realastionship with the witch (a positive a one)
No regrets. Even to the bitter end.
@@arutka2000 yeah..😬
This is the first time I've ever seen belos actually care about something
As a person that just watched King's Tide THIS HURTS
IT REALLY DOES
Old times when we thought that Belos/Philip was redeemable
funny how mr clawthorne is Caleb and probably he built Flapjack
This hit me in the feels 😭💘😭💘😭💘
I won't lie, I would love to see a story with a Belos that has this level of humanity. Don't get me wrong, I love our irredeemable genocidal witch hunter, but this guy here would have been just as much of an interesting villain.
In the show, people who joined the emporer's coven had their staff taken away (we all know why), BUt we see lilith with her staff, which is why this comic is nice, it gives a explanation as to why she still had her staff.
Also Belos not wanting to break time from when she showed up in the past
@@TheAnimeEncyclopedia that-- makes way more sense.
Awwee Philips brothers reaction to Flapjack was so wholesome!!🥺💕
So...if this is cannon then so many things are (mostly) explain
İ guess
I really think the true name of Belos's brother is Caleb
That would explain y flapjack suggested that name when willow and Gus asked hunter for his name
This theory proves to be more true after the newest episode, where belos sees Flapjack. He either yells kill him or Caleb. I think Caleb.
@@mx.purple6450 Oh Dana said it's Caleb on Twitter. (I can't really send it here but you can search it up)
@@mysticadriana can you mention the date possibly? It’s just a lot of her posts are retweets and Twitter’s UI kinda sucks at avoiding themlol
@@caxolog unfortunately I don't know the date. But she said it in her "What now" post with her art with the Hexide gang and V snuggled together. With Rebecca Rose and a fan asking if it's kill him or Caleb. Dana retweeted the answer
This is not to far off honestly. Although now I do wish we knew why Lilith got to keep her staff.
Nah I believe that Phillip’s brother carved his palisman and could even have married into the clawthorne clan
Love finding new things I force into the canon I believe
Her palisman looks like she got it after she got into the emperors coven
I like how he just pulls a random bird out of his desk.
Belos after remembering what happened in Elsewhere and Elsewhen: Actually, nevermind. Give it back.
Even with the truth... This comic still hits hard.
So that’s why belos was mad and wanted to kill hunter at the latest episode he reminded him of his brother with that pailsmen
"I... don't understand."
I really wish Belos/Philip had said:
"...Neither do I."
"Oh My LoRd!" - Quote of the year by Caleb
Belos: *No exception!*
Also Belos: I’ll make an exception!
Im of the idea that Jacob Hopkins, the dude from the museum, could be a distant relative of the wittebane brothers, His face Is similar to theirs.
That's a good point actually, how did Lilith get to keep her palisman
FLAPJACK!!!
I remember back in the day, I hoped that Belos would have a redemption arc and actually try to help the owl house in the actually final threat- But sadly, it doesn't seem like that's gonna happen- This though- This made me think back on the fact Belos may still have a heart somewhere
The moment they pulled out flapjack ❤️
This would explain why he freaked out so much when he saw flapjack on Kings Tide
Philip wearing the 17th Century equivalent of a letterman jacket.
I wish I could like this a billion more times
Caleb's reaction is like me when I was able to get my chonky boy! Don't think I'm crazy, because the chonky boy is my fat cat.
Wow bellows is kind for once
He’s a nice guy after all, no one is fully bad
-that is before I watch king’s tide-
We need a belos spin off he's days of being Philip I'd watch
I think belos doesn't hate his brother he just feels betrayed by his action of making love with a witch. Essentially being you became the very thing you swore to destroy meme.
And if theories are true, that witch got pregnant with his child and eventually the Clawthorne family comes from this.
That's pretty much just as bad as if Belos hated him.
Как же трогательно!
After watching released episodes this comics feels soo wrong
this is like that moment when Vader found c-3P0 on cloud city
Is Philip gonna try and take Luz's palisman as well eventually?
@@CoreyMillionaire2029 I think you got the wrong comment
Here after kings tide-The real ending here would be Belos trying to eat Flapjack Ngl
Now this video makes me. Question a lot of things
Awww, that's incredible! I wish this was canon
Is it just me or do I see an amogus on Philip's clothes
Not just you 😭
nah...it's just he knew a girl name lily will be the one to guild luz to him and teach him light glyth...
that's why he did nothing to her
not that bird looking exactly like flapjack (im just gonna go cry now) {nrvermind i spoke too soon}
This is an amazing theory and I hope it’s true :]
THIS WAS SO SWEET I LOVE IT
predicted caleb before hollow goddamn
You’re paying for my therapy
Oh my titan! Your artstyle is so cool!!
I believe that Flapjack did in fact belong to Hunter when he was Caleb.....and they found each other again
belos being nice for once
in the past: no scar flapjack
in the present : left scar flapjack
Belos wouldn’t do this at all no matter what I think since the season 2 finally showed
Como siempre moringmark prediciendo cosas
THE CREATION OF FLAPJACK!!!
If he had loved Caleb's and Flapjack's relationship then he wouldn't have killed Flapjack in thanks to them 😒😣
Awh❤️ QUE LINDO!!!!!!🥰😘
ok now i wish he was always this nice
Philip and his Brother Caleb
I bet the only reason that he let her keep the palismen is because its kinda the same colors as the emperor covent
this is so wholesome
btw i am subscribing becuz of this
*GASP*
BELOS?
BEING NICE!?
WHAAAAAT!???!?!!!
This would be nice if belos had humanity in Homs still
If only belos stayed like that instead of a brat.
The jack that flaps ❤️
I think the real reason is that he was hoping she would be able to help him get the portal to the human realm. And that's what winds up happening at the end of season 1.
I love this thery
HA! belos doing something good?yeah dure he wold never do this
FLAPJACK!!!!!!!!!!
Im wondering why Caleb have a brown hair here, literaly he is blond xD
How y’all feeling about this comic after Hollow Mind?
AHH-
Какого черта у Калеба русые волосы. Он же блондин.
So how did she keep her palisman? If Philip hated the clawthornes so much…
Yo tengo la teoría de que ese paliman se lo dieron después de que fue nombrada líder de aquelarre.
Kafam karıştı şimdi lilith ve eda nın babası insan mı ve belos la eskiden arkadaşmıydı. Beynim patladı🤯
I believe they're talking about a great great great grandfather
Damn well if these is gonna be a real story line I would believe that.philip didn't mean to kill he's brother or he actually felt guilty killing he's brothere
Just finished to watch this and the owl house started, like, my sister it's watching it in the tv pfffffft-ksksk
Two guesses how flapjack got his scar
And now that I think about it, why was Lilith allowed to keep her palisman?
Other comments are saying it could be that he recognized it from when she time traveled and he didnt want to mess up anything
yeah, and it couldn't have been a similar situation to hunter, where she hides her palisman and keeps them a secret because in agony of a witch, belos is literally watching lilith use her staff
Oh fuck this hits different now
I would totally believe this is Cannon
Welp sad thats hard to believe after seeing what Philip does
FLAPJACK
Ok now it makes sense why hunter loves the cardinal because flapjack aka wild bird companion hey look I made you a bird :flapjack recognize him :I choose him bat queen
Lmao this comic is reeeeeeaaaaally old