RIP to the man recovered. Having worked in construction, I can say with some level of certainty that replacing the bridge will cost $4-5 billion, not the low ball number around $1-2 billion.
Try $6 BILLION. Thinks I’m wrong? Try building anything today. Building a 20’ wide 100’ long foot bridge 25’ over a 4 lane road. A foot bridge over dry land- $25 million
@@Dismantledgarage I imagine just hitting bed rock for the footings is going to be 500million before they even start. We both know they can’t use that existing road. 52yr old columns and spans. I’ve got a qt mile of viaduct here over land from 1963 that’s scheduled for full demolition, columns been spalling for 20 years, we’re doing patch work right now to reinforce the beams webs at the connection points because they rotted right out, top and bottom flanges are just hangin on. It’s a federal highway too.
@@ronbelanger4113 The same one that KNEW this was going to happen and didnt lift a hair to help, just DONT "bless" the guys' family like he did the dead guy!
Reusing the same ramps sets the bridge at a similar height to the original. They will maybe want to make it higher to make better use of the max height provided by the power lines next to the bridge. They also probably want to make major support structures to be wider than the channel to allow concrete dolphins to be constructed between the supports and the channel.
The only actual solution I can see is to tunnel under the shipping channel, so that there is no bridge there in the first place that can be hit by ships or bombed. Like the bridge-tunnels in the Norfolk, VA, USA area. My solution would be a tunnel as on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel and the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel and I-664 Bridge-Tunnel. No bridge over the shipping channel. The I-695 approach tunnel portal causeways are already in place, for the original design. MDTA planned a 6,200 foot long tunnel but advertised for bids and found that the bridge could be built for half the cost. Recent major bridges are being built with a 70 to 100 year design life. There are other late Interstate System era bridges with about 180 feet of clearance that maritime interests want to see replaced with 215 feet or more. Therefore it would be myopic to replace the Key Bridge with the same profile which provided 185 feet of vertical clearance. Granted the Bay Bridge's max clearance of 186 feet will rule what can get to Baltimore harbor, but if we are designing for 70 to 100 years in the future, we can count on the Bay Bridge being replaced long before then. So a new Key Bridge with 220 feet of max vertical clearance would be 0.5 to 0.7 mile longer than the current 1.6 miles. It would be wise to use a shallower grade than the about 4% existing, like about 2.5%. It may actually be less expensive to build the 6,200 foot long tunnel that was originally planned. I want to see an engineer's estimate.
Already know the truth, and idiot captain at the helm rushing, a crappy ship with already KNOWN electrical problems that were neglected and not FIXED earlier, allowed to set sailby idiots running the port, with no escort or anything at night, and the electric FAILS with loss of poweron a massive ship that takes MILES to stop
Not a dollar of our tax money should go to rebuilding this bridge.. Not even Federal money.. The shipping company should be held accountable 100% for the cost.
Damn straight they should pay for it thats what insurance is for takes nerve to ask shipping companies that they haul freight for to help cover the bill
You think we should WAIT to start rebuilding this critial bridge for the 5-8 years it will take to settle the liability and then the insurance claims and lawsuits? SIT DOWN! we are GOING to use Federal monies to pay for the costs to rebuild this critical infrastructure WHILE llowing the estimated 2 YEAR investigation take place, find facts, assign the BLAME, and then dealing with the insurance and lawsuits, while that goes on over the next 5-8 years the bridge will already be replaced and in use.
@@tomt9543 Bet they do too, some fly by night Singaporean shipping co??? who knows what they really are. I know theres a shipping company in Cyprus whose stock was being pumped big, they were buying used container ships paying cash for them, when I did a littl research on the company I discovered a few things; This company (Castor-Maritime) owning something like 20 ships was owned by ONE guy and the staffing etc run by his SISTER, the "corporate offices" were located in an APARTMENT, I google street viewed the address and the first thing I saw in the neighborhood was steel security gates over shut down store fronts, graffiti all over. They bought the ships and paid cash, BUT I learned the shipos were all like 20+ years old and essentially at the end of their useful lives, worth little more than scrap salvage value. The stock went up to like $250 a share and then went down, down, down and its now $3.15 CSTM CEO: Petros Panagiotidis (Sep 2017-) Founded: September 2017 Headquarters: Cyprus Number of employees: 1 (2022) Revenue: 2.067 billion USD (2023) ONE employee and they claim 2 BILLION in revenue??? LOL!!!! This guy and his sister could sell the ships they have for SCRAP, collect the money and skip off to another country with millions, we have NO idea who this Dali ship owner really IS or anything about them, but they are already trying to use a pre Civil war era loop hole to get out of paying more than a fraction of the damages as well as get out of covering the actual costs for damaged ,lost, delayed freight which according to that law is only valued at what it's salvage value is AFTER the disaster!
I don't think it's fair that just the People who is in charge gets to decide how and what Model the New Frances Scott Key Bridge will be I think the Whole State of Maryland & the People who it really affected should really take a Vote in What Kind an Model the Bridge should be because I seen the Beautiful Pictures Posted this Bridge just wasn't a any Kind of Bridge it was a Beautiful Place that held a Lot of good Memories & Views & I am sure it was Tresure & was Cherished by Millions of People , Me Personally I wish I could have been able to have Memories there but it wasn't till it Collapsed that I even heard or seen such a Beautiful Piece of Art & it affected me it made me feel like I lost a loved one all over again & I Personally feel like a Suspension Bridge would be Best like the one in Brooklyn New York but just my thoughts . Love from Ohio thinking of the Baltimore Folks & Many Blessings.
I'd say a modern arch design would, at least somewhat, keep the spirit of the old one. (check either the Lupu Bridge or the Mingzhou Bridge in China as examples, both of which have longer main spans than the Key Bridge)
@@matthewmiller7207 I Looked up the Bridges U stated & I think U have good taste I Love the Pictures on the Lupu Bridge besides Loving the Suspension Bridges.
@@BobM.-to9ji Your very Rude & disrespectful U are part of the Problem Why did You even comment? Your comment is not necessary we can't we just be Loving? Instead of all the HATEFUL comments U need Jesus.
You do realize that all the all infrastructure on which a first world society is built is paid for by the members of that society through taxes? The problem in the US is that the richer you are the less the percentage of your income you pay in taxes. Which is exactly the opposite of what should happen.
What a STUPID idea to put another brige in. Build a tunnel. Get rid of that awful sight of another bridge. No more worries of another bridge coming down. It should of been done that in in the first place.
Bridge engineering has came a long way since the FSK was first proposed. A cable stayed bridge, such as the Gordie Howe bridge between Detroit, MI and Windsor, ONT (under construction) has the ability to span a much larger distance between support columns than the FSK. The supports would be so close to shore, that a ship would not be able to hit them, and it would have run aground long before it would get close to it. They are also very beautiful bridge designs.
@@KevinWindsor1971 The Detroit River is narrow enough that it can be completely crossed by the main span of the Gordie Howe International Bridge. At 2,800 feet it is still much shorter than the Golden Gate Bridge of 4,200 feet built in the 1930s. The span of open water at I-695 is about 5,200 feet. It would need 4,000 feet of span to put the towers in shallow enough water so that a heavy ship could not reach them. Many large bridges are beautiful. However, a tunnel is the safe and effective way to cross the outer harbor.
Problem with a tunnel is this. Hazardous Materials loads are prohibited in the tunnel. If you have a hazmat load. Say going to or picking up from the port. What can you do?
Do you know the key bridge is going to be lost forever people is not going to go across a new key bridge once they build it because they’ll be scared to do so anybody see a boat come in they’re going to panic when they’re on the bridge. That’s crazy, sorry for your loss😇🫶🏻
My condolences to all family members to those who lost their lives. God speed to all the work crews.
Very sorry to her about the loss of life. I hope that the bridge is reopened as soon as possible.
RIP to the man recovered.
Having worked in construction, I can say with some level of certainty that replacing the bridge will cost $4-5 billion, not the low ball number around $1-2 billion.
Condolences to the families. So sorry for your loss. The Ship owner needs to pay . Why is the news not talking about this?
Stop whining and pay attention, the topic has been well documented.
Good reporting guys.
Try $6 BILLION.
Thinks I’m wrong? Try building anything today.
Building a 20’ wide 100’ long foot bridge 25’ over a 4 lane road. A foot bridge over dry land- $25 million
Under this administration better double that 6 billion
@@Dismantledgarage I imagine just hitting bed rock for the footings is going to be 500million before they even start.
We both know they can’t use that existing road. 52yr old columns and spans.
I’ve got a qt mile of viaduct here over land from 1963 that’s scheduled for full demolition, columns been spalling for 20 years, we’re doing patch work right now to reinforce the beams webs at the connection points because they rotted right out, top and bottom flanges are just hangin on. It’s a federal highway too.
Need full replacement coverage there folks.
God bless
WHy is the bridge's insurance PAYING, the SHIP owner's insurance should be paying
It is probably almost entirely for lawyers to sue the insurers of the ship. lol 😂
RIP, Señor Gonzales.
The feds should not fund the bridge. State issue
A pedestrian bridge in Florida cost $11million
God Bless the families.
Which Sky Fairy cult boss do you reference?
@@ronbelanger4113 The same one that KNEW this was going to happen and didnt lift a hair to help, just DONT "bless" the guys' family like he did the dead guy!
The bridge should not be rebuilt. Use the money to improve the northside beltway as a means to avoid the downtown tunnels.
The poor workers bodies trapped under water that long would have been eaten away badly
Please delete this tasteless, insensitive comment from this thread.🙏
Would definitely be bloated and very "ripe" yecch!!
the ramps on both sides are already there. I dont get it.
Reusing the same ramps sets the bridge at a similar height to the original. They will maybe want to make it higher to make better use of the max height provided by the power lines next to the bridge.
They also probably want to make major support structures to be wider than the channel to allow concrete dolphins to be constructed between the supports and the channel.
...the ramps themselves probably have been damaged, due to overload and twisting as the bridge was ripped out.
@@lachlanhudson7404 welp, get ready to pay for a brand new one
Those ramps may be structurally damaged, and they are also unlikely to fit and match up exactly with the replacement bridge
The only actual solution I can see is to tunnel under the shipping channel, so that there is no bridge there in the first place that can be hit by ships or bombed.
Like the bridge-tunnels in the Norfolk, VA, USA area.
My solution would be a tunnel as on the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel and the Hampton Roads Bridge-Tunnel and I-664 Bridge-Tunnel.
No bridge over the shipping channel.
The I-695 approach tunnel portal causeways are already in place, for the original design.
MDTA planned a 6,200 foot long tunnel but advertised for bids and found that the bridge could be built for half the cost.
Recent major bridges are being built with a 70 to 100 year design life. There are other late Interstate System era bridges with about 180 feet of clearance that maritime interests want to see replaced with 215 feet or more.
Therefore it would be myopic to replace the Key Bridge with the same profile which provided 185 feet of vertical clearance.
Granted the Bay Bridge's max clearance of 186 feet will rule what can get to Baltimore harbor, but if we are designing for 70 to 100 years in the future, we can count on the Bay Bridge being replaced long before then.
So a new Key Bridge with 220 feet of max vertical clearance would be 0.5 to 0.7 mile longer than the current 1.6 miles. It would be wise to use a shallower grade than the about 4% existing, like about 2.5%.
It may actually be less expensive to build the 6,200 foot long tunnel that was originally planned. I want to see an engineer's estimate.
U can't make Memories with a Under Water Tunnel Baltimore seems to have enough of them .
@@annhenry793
Baltimore will have horrible memories of the harbor being blocked for 2 months.
It would not have happened if they had a tunnel there.
we will never be told the truth about this
It must be awful to live in a conspiracy theory world
Already know the truth, and idiot captain at the helm rushing, a crappy ship with already KNOWN electrical problems that were neglected and not FIXED earlier, allowed to set sailby idiots running the port, with no escort or anything at night, and the electric FAILS with loss of poweron a massive ship that takes MILES to stop
Not a dollar of our tax money should go to rebuilding this bridge.. Not even Federal money.. The shipping company should be held accountable 100% for the cost.
My bet is the shipping company will disappear!
Damn straight they should pay for it thats what insurance is for takes nerve to ask shipping companies that they haul freight for to help cover the bill
It was a Singapore company aligned with....CHINa. wake up they are at war with us and Biden is a traitor for them
You think we should WAIT to start rebuilding this critial bridge for the 5-8 years it will take to settle the liability and then the insurance claims and lawsuits? SIT DOWN! we are GOING to use Federal monies to pay for the costs to rebuild this critical infrastructure WHILE llowing the estimated 2 YEAR investigation take place, find facts, assign the BLAME, and then dealing with the insurance and lawsuits, while that goes on over the next 5-8 years the bridge will already be replaced and in use.
@@tomt9543 Bet they do too, some fly by night Singaporean shipping co??? who knows what they really are. I know theres a shipping company in Cyprus whose stock was being pumped big, they were buying used container ships paying cash for them, when I did a littl research on the company I discovered a few things;
This company (Castor-Maritime) owning something like 20 ships was owned by ONE guy and the staffing etc run by his SISTER, the "corporate offices" were located in an APARTMENT, I google street viewed the address and the first thing I saw in the neighborhood was steel security gates over shut down store fronts, graffiti all over.
They bought the ships and paid cash, BUT I learned the shipos were all like 20+ years old and essentially at the end of their useful lives, worth little more than scrap salvage value. The stock went up to like $250 a share and then went down, down, down and its now $3.15
CSTM
CEO: Petros Panagiotidis (Sep 2017-)
Founded: September 2017
Headquarters: Cyprus
Number of employees: 1 (2022)
Revenue: 2.067 billion USD (2023)
ONE employee and they claim 2 BILLION in revenue??? LOL!!!!
This guy and his sister could sell the ships they have for SCRAP, collect the money and skip off to another country with millions, we have NO idea who this Dali ship owner really IS or anything about them, but they are already trying to use a pre Civil war era loop hole to get out of paying more than a fraction of the damages as well as get out of covering the actual costs for damaged ,lost, delayed freight which according to that law is only valued at what it's salvage value is AFTER the disaster!
I don't think it's fair that just the People who is in charge gets to decide how and what Model the New Frances Scott Key Bridge will be I think the Whole State of Maryland & the People who it really affected should really take a Vote in What Kind an Model the Bridge should be because I seen the Beautiful Pictures Posted this Bridge just wasn't a any Kind of Bridge it was a Beautiful Place that held a Lot of good Memories & Views & I am sure it was Tresure & was Cherished by Millions of People , Me Personally I wish I could have been able to have Memories there but it wasn't till it Collapsed that I even heard or seen such a Beautiful Piece of Art & it affected me it made me feel like I lost a loved one all over again & I Personally feel like a Suspension Bridge would be Best like the one in Brooklyn New York but just my thoughts . Love from Ohio thinking of the Baltimore Folks & Many Blessings.
I'd say a modern arch design would, at least somewhat, keep the spirit of the old one. (check either the Lupu Bridge or the Mingzhou Bridge in China as examples, both of which have longer main spans than the Key Bridge)
@@matthewmiller7207
I Looked up the Bridges U stated & I think U have good taste I Love the Pictures on the Lupu Bridge besides Loving the Suspension Bridges.
It is the people in charges job to make these decisions, no one cares how you feel.
@@annhenry793 - It is not about you, we don't care what you think, keep it to yourself.
@@BobM.-to9ji
Your very Rude & disrespectful U are part of the Problem Why did You even comment? Your comment is not necessary we can't we just be Loving? Instead of all the HATEFUL comments U need Jesus.
I wonder what it would cost building the bridge non-union
The rebuild will involve many non union companies- this coming from bridge builder in Maryland
Unions built America
Used to, the Union wouldn’t hang/touch Foreign steel, I wonder if that changed now with the Biden family being so involved with China?
50 years minimum to milk the taxpayers
Do you ever stop pretending to be a victim?. Cope harder.
You do realize that all the all infrastructure on which a first world society is built is paid for by the members of that society through taxes? The problem in the US is that the richer you are the less the percentage of your income you pay in taxes. Which is exactly the opposite of what should happen.
"...recovered the 5th body"
Yecch, I bet that thing was ripe after being waterlogged for a MONTH!
What a STUPID idea to put another brige in. Build a tunnel. Get rid of that awful sight of another bridge. No more worries of another bridge coming down. It should of been done that in in the first place.
The bridge looked great. But as you say a tunnel would be better.
Given all that monster ship traffic.
Bridge engineering has came a long way since the FSK was first proposed. A cable stayed bridge, such as the Gordie Howe bridge between Detroit, MI and Windsor, ONT (under construction) has the ability to span a much larger distance between support columns than the FSK. The supports would be so close to shore, that a ship would not be able to hit them, and it would have run aground long before it would get close to it. They are also very beautiful bridge designs.
@@KevinWindsor1971
The Detroit River is narrow enough that it can be completely crossed by the main span of the Gordie Howe International Bridge.
At 2,800 feet it is still much shorter than the Golden Gate Bridge of 4,200 feet built in the 1930s.
The span of open water at I-695 is about 5,200 feet. It would need 4,000 feet of span to put the towers in shallow enough water so that a heavy ship could not reach them.
Many large bridges are beautiful. However, a tunnel is the safe and effective way to cross the outer harbor.
Problem with a tunnel is this. Hazardous Materials loads are prohibited in the tunnel. If you have a hazmat load. Say going to or picking up from the port. What can you do?
Do you know the key bridge is going to be lost forever people is not going to go across a new key bridge once they build it because they’ll be scared to do so anybody see a boat come in they’re going to panic when they’re on the bridge. That’s crazy, sorry for your loss😇🫶🏻
Why not build a tunnel instead of a bridge?
You can't haul hazmat or oversize/over height trucks through a tunnel.
This is how democrats pay back their donors. Watch who ends up with the contract to build the new bridge .....big democrat donor guaranteed
LOL yeah right
Watch the video it's pretty obvious the ship hit the bridge deliberately