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This Changes EVERYTHING !!! Virpil Mongoos CM3 Base Review
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Virpil just love their products and know their customers don’t they. Really high quality products for a relatively niche market. Since I went with a Virpil set up Iv never looked back.
As someone looking to get their first Stick/Throttle setup going, these videos are very enlightening
Your doing good, researching. I'd recommend a medium quality/price one to start... the experience will aid further research for a replacement with function/features you like. Of course there's argument to get a high end stick to start too tho.
Happy flying : )
With some craftmanship you could cut out a hole in your table matching the size of the mongoose base, and then attach a surface for it to rest on underneath the table.
That way you counter the base height if you really want to use it on a table and not on a mount.
I was never happy with any of my joysticks -- Logitech Extreme 3D, Thrustmaster T16000M, and Thrustmaster Warthog -- so I gave the VKB Gladiator NXT a shot and I've been extremely happy with it. It's not as expensive or as full-featured as a Virpil, it's still around $150, but it's solid, precise, and robust with everything I was missing on the other sticks. I'd love to see D2EA give it a look. I think you'd be pleasantly surprised.
you can upgrade it to have all these features by swapping out the base when you have extra cash ;) Just go to a hotas subreddit or contact VKB support if you need help with doing that. (I think you could even get similar results by just getting the upgrading to evo kit, but I'm not entirely sure...)
This is a great showcase of why Virpil is one of the best, if not the best. What an elegant solution to a real issue that's cropped up with the (re)emergence of the space sim.
Thanks for making such a detailed break down, I wouldn't have even known of the full functionality of this base otherwise.
All they did was copy what VKB already did and charge double for it.
@@spider0804 VKB's clutches can be damage by overtightening, which is easy to do without realizing. Virpil's design is far more robust, as well as convenient, seeing as everything, including springs and cams, can be changed while still mounted
Ok I’ve always been a hotas guy for ALL sims. However I think you’ve finally convinced me this is the way to go for Star Citizen.
The constellation Alpha combined with that new base looks blooming amazing
Phew...that was close. When I saw you pull the throttle towards use and say full throttle, insinuating forward, I was concerned that you were some sort of reverse throttle psychopath. But I see now that the throttle is facing the camera. Sheesh, don't scare me like that man.
😂😂😂😂
And it is great for helicopters too cause you can config it as a "dead stick". Great video.
Vkb has similar functionality on their entry level evo's. With the omni throttle it truly is the best of both worlds.
The entry level evo's bases are nothing compared to this or their gunfighter stick base. Not even comparable.
@@reitairue2073well, of it stays in place it‘s comparable functionwise. Of course not quality and feel like… But I haven‘t had any of them in my hand. But I save up for a virpil setup, looks like it‘s the best right now (besides simulation crack stuff).
Virpil: Last Joystick
Finally!
PS. OMFG the models on your desk...where did you get those!!!
*The idea to use the left stick as a proper throttle isn't new,* my VKB have that option too, but it's *not as handy as it seems and here is why:*
Disabling the spring-centering means you will struggle centering the ship perfectly enough to make it stop (unless you want to add a big deadzone), so you would also need to switch from for/back thrust function to just for thrust function, and none of these adjustments can be done on-the-fly, so it really just becomes a throttle replacement for those who want to use it as a HOSAS in some games and a HOTAS in others and don't mind constantly changing adjustments for it.
I agree with those people who use HOSASAT, especially when you get a throttle with plenty of buttons on it, or at least a multi function module with a slider or 2, it just feels the most "complete" and on top you can fly traditional flight sims with it.
Small tip about "finding center". You can customize LED on stick and make it as indicator for "axis in center".
VKB Config -> (tabs madness) -> Global - External - Leds.
Event: Axes in center
OP1: 2 (axe id)
Led# 10
Led mode Contantly
Color what you want
Looks really cool! Thanks for the review. Something to consider when I redo my desk!
This video is so much more informative than the manuals that they link to when you order these. Thank you!
nice review like the look of it , but VKB Nxt Evo was what i ended up with , maybe DTEA could look at that for those on a budget as does the same sort of things
Anyone notice that the cm3 isn’t coated in oil internally like the cm2 was? Guessing they changed some materials to get rid of the oil bc of the clutches?
The exchangeable CAM pieces that allow you to tune the center and force application (aviasim, etc) also seem to be made of a different material. The CM2’s CAMs look and feel like steel (more weight with grainy tool steel look) while the ones that came with the cm3 look and feel like aluminum.
Noticed it immediately when I saw the baggy holding the CM3 CAMs. No oil on them in the bag (like with cm2), and prob 30-40 percent lighter.
With the cm2, you get oil all over your hands when you change cams.
Thank you, this was the video which convinced me to go with a Virpil HOSAS setup, instead of a HOTAS setup. I placed the order this weekend.
Thanks for these reviews. It helped me decide to go with them as I wanted to replace the Thrustmaster Warthog stick I have, while I am keeping the Warthog Throttle which was my favorite, it's good to know that I can do dual stick in the future if I choose to.
Been a long time subscriber of yours, your past ED guides have helped me tremendously, I have ED as part of my streaming line up along with iRacing and Final Fantasy XIV.
Exactly what I'm looking for. Thanks for the video.
Excellent as soon as I can !!
Oh my god bro I'm going to be so fucking broke this coming Wednesday please keep me in your prayers my fellow flying bois lol
I like how Virpil is continuing to innovate in this area. Almost makes me want to switch out my Warthog (pronounced wart-hog) ;-)
Thank you for the review. Respects.👍
Just ordered my first setup. Prime alphas and these bases. I went big, but I feel like I won't be left wanting more
recently back on ED with my old thrustmaster Hotas...... been considering going all the way and getting a proper setup..... this video has increased the hunger..... I can hear my bank account screaming....
Great review, just got Alpha prime R L + Mongoos CM3 HOSAS!
Nice stick and good review (as usual). Ty
dostum, süphelerim vardı fakat videon sayesinde artık yoklar. virpili senin videoların sayesinde tanıdım ve bu hafta siparişini veriyorum. yayın hayatında başarılar!
Unfortunately Virpil didn’t learn from their collective and the clutches are not lubricated so they introduce a big stiction problem, which is really not good, especially on the primary control, VKB lubricate or at least show you how to do it with Nyogel 767a on their stick bases.
I have the CM2, but that clutch really has me on the verge of ordering a cm3.
I love the cm2’s quality, but its something you REALLY have to get used to with the longest 200mm extension and the rebound force (since their is no clutch in the cm2). Small over movements and rebounds cause larger deviations. Ordering this base will have me flying other aircraft a lot more.
Ever since I got the RealSimulator Lightning base and RS F-16 grip it’s been hard to go back to anything other than F-16 due to the perfection of that base.
The CM3 would fix that issue for all other aircraft that don’t have a pressure sensitive stick and instead rely on traditional stick movements.
I’m one of those guys that prefer replica hotas’ over 1 setup for everything.
PS. Well….temptation won the day. Just ordered considering Xmas sale was going on.
Thanks a lot for the video! You are the Best! :)
As a fpv drone pilot, I’m so surprised it takes the most premium manufacturers most expensive product to be able to turn off recentering on the stick for throttle.
I love my VIRPIL gear, I absolutely want this set up for my sim rig. But I will retain the throttle for the additional inputs and leave the left stick for strafe/hover/gimbal depending on the game.
Basically a giant rc controller, which is what i really want
need a new video to compare with the new warbird d they brought out how to know which way to go at the moment
Great job!
3:56 That must be where the allen keys went. Cuz I did not receive a single one on mine :(
Can you also dampen the X axis? Asking since if possible it would mean you could trim a helicopter with the joystick position alone without having to rely on a button. It also means you would not be dependent on a force feedback joystick :)
What are the two chrome allen screws that are close together on the top corner? NOT the ones under the rubber that adjust tension. No video has mentioned them and they aren't even mentioned in virpil's manual.
Good vid. Thank you for sharing!!
Yeah I would love to get one, unfortunately someone ran off with my magical money tree so it won't happen
You’d never need to buy another.…
Unless you file HOSAS
This is a fun video. Have you tried removing the forward back spring so you dont have to have so much force on your damepner to fully simulate a thottle 0-100 smoothness?
I think the is a misunderstanding from the product regarding the ON THE FLY dampeners, it seems it cannot be controlled by software, hence the term on the fly seems inappropriate. That would be a killer feature to toggle dangeners while flying (refueling, carrier landing, heli trim...). Correct me if I'm wrong
I have the WarBRD now and really like it but after seeing this video I just purchased a Mongoos CM3 Base. Now I have to just wait 3 or 4 months to use it.
hello, can u indicate to me, which monstertech chair support i must have for the virpil MongoosT cm3 base ? please ;)
I would love virpil if thay where not dobble the price of a VKB stick ! i would love a VKB HOSAS setup upgrade from my x52 but still i find it abit expensive if only i could get VKB used in denmark i would buy it instant but non on market atm ! Ofc there is the full price route since thay are on Eu warehouse now but still abit on the expensive side =) ! But constallation alphas looks super cool
I am looking to set up a decent helicopter sim and want the Virpil, but i am also looking at the Next Level Racing Boeing chair, i don't think these can be mount on the chair so its either one or the other.
That’s awesome ❤
Another downside with going with the 2nd stick over the throttle. You lose a lot of button/axis mapping options. You can help make up for it with button panels, but thats extra cost.
I have two virpil alphas on warbrds with the z extension for the left and the desk clamps. Do you think the CM3 on the left and the warbrd on the right would feel too mismatched?
Very interesting, but I really like more using a throttle because the base buttons.
o7
I fly HOTAS as I'm also a flight simmer, and don't have the deep pockets nor the space for all the gear. But It would be interesting for Heli sim, as helis rely on a dead stick (no return).
both virpil and vkb bases come with friction clutches and adjustable springs (removable).
@@Erpyrikk I know, I own a Virpil setup. But I fly with a WarBRD base and a CM3 Throttle
@@SewerShark i got the vkb gunfighter with Kosmosima grip for its lower profile when using it on tabletop. am bit disappointed that vkb seems to have forgotten to deliver their TECS throttle to pair it with.
Danke!
thank you, I was not sure...... now I know for sure i like this brand :)
Can you explain the main differences between the CM3 and the CM2? Im looking to buy new base for DCS and im not sure why I would want the CM3 vs the CM2.. Thanks for your help
No dampener on the CM2
@downtoearthastronomy Is it possible to have a throttle configuration like a helicopter collective using this base???
I don't think this will be the best choice for that. You will be better off with a VPC Rotor TCS or a VPC Rotor TCS plus
Is awesome!
Good morning. please dear fellow simmer. He asked me if this base or any can work without the respective grip. This is because I am thinking of adapting another grip to it since the monngose or constellation gripa does not convince me to fly helicopters. thanks for your reply. or someone who can help me with this question. thank you
So in summary, for both axis you use light springs and the cosmo cams no center ?
Too bad this Z extension cannot be setup for an horizontal position, you have to keep an angle ;)
hey
Down to Earth Astronomy check out a new post on the forums for Elite dangerous it’s a proposal to remove the human AX weapon limit
It’s called
Aegis CG suggestion: Removing human AX weapon limit
Virpil's problem is the price, just this Joystick as it is in the video (grip + base) should cost around 600$, not to mention that we need the other one for the right hand, that is 1000$ +/-, impossible for most people.
For half price: GLADIATOR NXT EVO ‘SPACE COMBAT EDITION’ Premium.
I decided to save up for their gunfighter version actually lol. The better base is worth it. After getting back on my old stick and feeling it, I want butter smooth motion as I move it around. Worth the extra money IMO. Idk if I'll end up with Virpil in the end or not, seems like people are paying for a name with them. Doing more homework though, plenty of time as I save up lmfaoooo.
I want this base, but I don't know if I can justify buying it since I had recently purchased the Warbird base, which I do like (two of them, and 2 Connie ALPHA grips, plus the extenders to place the base on the FLoor....). I'd may ocnsider getting the one base for teh left stick, and can the cams of it fit into the Warbird? Or does the warbird has the smooth space cams? I'd have to look at that.
Nice video. Grazie ! :)
Are those dampeners friction causing wear?
The recent releases makes me so mad I didn't wait another year to buy my HOSAS setup.
Beautiful gear imo. I'm still tuning my new CM3/Prime. I like having a centre mounted stick, so I can't see me going full HOSAS
Hey, thank you for this review.
Btw, which one do you prefer if we are talking about using it as a side right stick with no extensions? Warbrb-d or cm3?
Could you share what is your final or current choice for clams and springs for both left and right base?
How can i purchase this if i'm in the UK? The website only seems to deliver to Russian/eastern European cities
CM3 is a great product but the video doesn't highlight the fact that design directly ask you to pay the base (400) + a grip (up to 260) + a solid desk clamp (another 100). That is nearly 800 one hand set up. of course content creator don't pay for it so they can be happy about it ;)
What would be the height of a Mongoos CM3 Base + a Virpil Constellation Joystick? I am thinking of rebuilding my Sim Racing rig into a Flight/Spaceflight Rig and this info would help me a lot :)
The CM3 base is designed to be put in a custom cockpit, not to be put on a desk ^^
great awesome review and not long i love it. I'm just wondering if there's something that's not DIY to mount it on? Any recommendations if there is?
Virpil sells desk mounts for it.
@@DowntoEarthAstronomy awesome thanks so much
I've been using Monstertech chair mounts first with an X52 pro, then with Constellation Alphas + CM2 and now with Alpha Primes + CM3. Feels so much more immersive and comfortable than on top of the desk
@@LCEternia i have the same exact old setup as yours and looking to change :) I found that the only comfortable seating position with this setup is to raise the chair up for my shoulders to be comfortable
Its game dependant on if dual stick is better than hotas, elite dangerous (my space sim of choice) has binary thrusters either they are on or off therefore I can assign my thrusters to hats and have the same level of control as dual stick but with more precision (less likely to thrust in a direction you didn't mean to).
However a game could support throttle control over thrusters and onky then does dual stick become superior
Elite does support analoge trusther control of all trusters
what cams and springs did you end up going on left and right?
Is the only reason to get one of these over the slightly cheaper (CM2?) because of the damping feature you've just stated? Or are there other benefits? May be worthwhile getting one of these for the left/throttle hand and the cheaper one on the right if everything else is the same.
I’m looking for a stick to use for everything, as in space, planes and helicopters. So it needs to be easy to adjust between the settings. Is this the setup for that?
I need a “dead stick” like a helicopter cyclic would be when in a helicopter.
But if I suddenly want to hop into a jet or a space ship I need to be able to switch it back with relative ease and not time consuming otherwise I may not do it.
Did you ever do this. I'm the same, but just jet and helli. Just bought it anyway, but good to know if u know
Yup, I did end up getting this. I had to change to light springs and different cams. But now I can use it for everything without taking it apart. Just have to loosen or tighten the springs and dampeners depending if you want dead stick or not.@@TrevUk
Where did you get those SC models from?
If only that base wasn't so tall. No way that would be comfortable on a table. I have an adustable table and in its lowest position, my way skinnier X52 is already borderline (would like to have it even lower, by a cm or two)
Is their a discount code anywhere?
I don't know, more and more I see people playing space games swear by their HOSAS, and people not running it are either still on the fence or don't want to spend the money on a switchover. This honestly looks like the ideal setup, but it's difficult for me to justify the upgrade when I already have a Constellation Alpha and the CM3 Throttle. Like if I had the old Constellation Alpha in one hand and the Constellation Alpha Prime in the other, wouldn't that feel weird?
Hey why do you only buy Virpil stuff?
I read the top VKB stuff is even better.
Now if I could just find stock to buy…
ok, why not spend a thousand dollars for my game. What else should I do after this? 😂 Seriously: awesome solution. Should I go for the same base for the right hand?
😍😍😍😍😍
Sponsored reviews are a cancer that need to really stop happening. No your opinion is not your own if you are getting paid for it. Call it a showcase but make the distinction clear.
Thanks for the video. I understand the idea behind it, but i'm not convinced. There is too much complexity in the base design requiring us to mess with mechanical parts, which will then allow VIRPIL to shift blame to the user if something does not work properly. Also we don't know if the tight setup would continue to operate smoothly with time; it likely will just loosen and won't work properly as a throttle anymore. Ppl who want a throttle should be able to get a throttle, not have to put up with this half thought out mess. VIRPIL should simply make either a right-handed version of MongoosT-50 throttle (thumb buttons on the left) or design an ambidextrous throttle (with zero or very few thumb buttons) to allow us left-handed users to make a stick(L)+throttle(R) setup. For the price point of the MongoosT-50CM3 throttle, there is really no excuse for them no to have a right-handed version, as they have with the Constellation Alpha stick. For reasons of interoperability (throttle from different manufacturer not working with VIRPIL stick or panels) I'm not buying any VIRPIL hardware until they come up with a throttle i can use. It's a pity, really, because they do have otherwise very high design and manufacturing standards.
Left handed pilots still fly right handed in real life
haha tell me you're danish without telling me you're danish
another sellout youtuber, listen guys this is a fact, he is allowed to keep them for free because he must talk good about the product, otherwise they wouldnt have any reason to let him keep them, just use your heads guys
I have no doubt that those sticks are good... its just the company is in belorus, that is involved with russia in war with Ukraine... not yhe best time to help agressors to make a $$$
I absolutely understand you point of view. However If you go to their homepage and take a look at their logo at the top of the page they have colored I yellow and blue abd added a peace dove. I think that makes it very clear what their stand is on the war is and what side they support.
@@DowntoEarthAstronomy so you would say companies in russia/belarus who have yellow and blue colors in a logo and/or a dove should not be affected by sanctions? If someone is against this war they show it and be proud of it. Its a manufacturing company - release a limited edition joystick with yellow blue and donate all money from sales of those joysticks to Ukrainian forces. More over - I can even explain WHY there is yellow and blue there - because that shop VIRPIL EU is ran by Lithuanians (check contacts and see telephone code) if you go to their COM version of the page - there is no yellow or blue or doves...
@@grandpatom190 You're being rather naive here, they're normal people and they have been as vocal as they can regarding their stance, they mentioned previously that the factory operates in a free economic zone as well, so no taxes are paid to the local gov. If their factory steps too far out of line they'll get arrested or worse. The company will be gone, they'll all lose their jobs and we'll lose one of the best manufacturers in this space. As you said, they're a worldwide company anyway and their team is in Lithuania, UK and now the USA as well.
The war is beyond terrible and making uninformed comments on youtube so you can accomplish your bit of virtue signalling doesn't make things any better.
@@johnrsu1273 naive? If the company registered in belorus and owners are holders of belorusian passport where do they get proffit and pay taxes?? As well what is normal people? Are mobilized russians normal for kiling civilians in ukraine? Are belorussians normal for letting use their country as staging grounds for killers? For allowing attacks on ukraine from belorussian soil? As I said before, I have no issues with people or companies in beloruss or russia who donate and support ukraine, who support effort to topple putins and lukashenkos regime. For all the rest - they are not normal people, regardless if they make best joystics in the world or best condoms
@@grandpatom190 yes you're being naive and you're just virtue signalling.
You should research what a "free economic zone" is and they've made risks to publicly show support. They said they have Ukrainians on their team as well, an update they had a while ago on their site said they have hundreds of employees all around the world. I guess they should just throw all that away because in your mind, if they're not putting their employees lives on the line they're just as bad as the Russian soldiers committing warcrimes on Ukrainian soil.
You're making horrible and baseless accusations just so you can act morally superior on the internet.
It's all such a hideous situation.
Is the twist access a stick feature or a base feature? just purchased the warthog, had issues out of the box and now looking for something else w/ twist access for star citizen
The twist is a stick feature. If you go for virpil the Constellation Alpha series is the one to get for space sims
@@DowntoEarthAstronomy just ordered 2 mongoose 3 and 2 constellation alphas with the bendy stick add on cause of you. Everything says it’s back ordered, do you have an idea how long it took you for your order to ship out?
one more soo caled not bias review with products given from company and the guy ho recive it was never consider to buy them because of the price !!!! i have buy (1 base etc) and i have give them my money and im using them about 2 months and guess what im not make a review because is not gone be review but a showcase like you do - A review to be honest and don't let any doubs in the air must be with a product you have buy (and not send for free because you cant speak str8 you always gone need new stuff for review right ?? guess what is gone happen if you speak bad about them !!) and use it for few months to see if it works right IF YOU DONT DO THAT I IS NOT A REVIEW BUT A SHOWCASE AND IN THE WORLD OF CZcamsRS THEY MISTAKEN THIS ON ON PURPOSE