Milk Spots on Silver Coins EXPLAINED!
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- In this video I talk about milk spotting on silver coins. I talk about why silver coins get milk spots, which coins are more likely to get milk spots, and how milk spotted silver coins are valued. Coins with milk spots on them are usually treated as damaged silver coins. My local bullion dealer talks about how he values milk spotted silver maple leaf coins the same as silver rounds. I also attempt to remove milk spots using 2 popular methods. In my first attempt I try to erase the milk spots with an eraser. In my second attempt I try to remove the milk spots with heat. If you have any ideas on how to remove milk spots please comment them below. If you are wondering why there are milk spots silver coins then this is the video for you. It is possible to see milk spots on silver bars, milk spots on silver eagle, milk spots on silver maple leaf coins, and many more silver bullion coins as well. What causes milk spots on silver coins? It is a manufacturing error which is possible to be fixed. If you are wondering how to clean milk spots on silver I try my best to do so. If you are wondering how to prevent milk spots on silver it is nearly impossible to do so.
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I try my best to stack for weight. Just buying already milk spotted coins at a discount seems like a good way to go. Thank You SD!
Hell yeah. I actually prefer rounds, but if they're going to sell them for round price; I'll take them.
The coins have too high a premium, and the custom rounds feel more collectable to me. They're more varied in design.
The only way to remove milk spots is with Rodico. It is a type of clay the watch repairs use. Everything else will damage in some way the coin. No one would know that it was cleaned with this stuff erasers and chemicals are the worst.
ive never really worried about milk spotting or toning. Helps indicates that it's real silver, and pretty much everything I stack is prone to spotting anyway. Most of my silver stays locked up after it arrives, save for counting it once or twice a year, and I plan to keep it that way for the next couple of decades.
Toning is a good indicator that you are actually getting silver :) . And, yes, it can look great in some cases.
They need to come out with a better process to avoid milk spotting! The buying expense is high on these coins and then to have them devalued is ludicrous!
I've always understood the "application of high heat" solution to mean melt the coin down. Meant as a joke because there's nothing you can do about milkspots.
Feel like these coins should come with a Money Back Guarantee from the mints.
I bought a pretty shiny coin because I wanted a pretty shiny coin. Their merchandise became defective with milk spots. Mints should do an even swap. 😄
Good point. Imagine if you buy a bright red sports car for a mid life crisis, and the next day you wake up and look out the window and your new car is dull and spotted... I wonder if the law would make the seller to repaint the car...
Seriously! 😂
That eraser trick aged the poor queen by 40 years.
The RCM states: "As of 2018, all Maple Leaf silver bullion coins are enhanced with Mintshield surface protection." The use of a soft eraser is presumably the only relatively safe method of removing Milk Spots. But the type of eraser used is very important. You'll want to consider a soft polymer-type eraser and shape it slightly with a blade before applying it. I just bought some new Canadian silver 1oz Maple coins (2022) and I'll chime in again if I see any Milk Spots appear. I'd also suggest using moisture absorbing packets in a small, airtight, sealed plastic container to ensure the coins are not subjected to moisture or air. I have some silver coins in non-airtight displays here that have been sitting in a glass cabinet for years (they were not encapsulated) and they're quite strongly toned now. So a sealed container with no moisture seems to be the best we can hope for.
I have a single 1989 Canadian Maple Leaf sealed in Canadian Royal Mint plastic that is pristine. QEII is much younger on the coin. Beautiful!
Definitely want to keep updated on this topic
Thank you for the informative video.
I did not know any of this.
Props to you for at least trying these methods for us. I've recently gotten a tube of mixed-year Brittanias and all of them are spotted.
Have to say milk spots on coins are a major turn off for me but then on silver bars they don't seem bother me at all.
Same, scratches and dings are bars are cool not so much on coins.
I was a custom pocket knife maker for about a decade, and we get something similar on titanium when anodizing it. You use Borax (tri-sodium phosphate) as an electrochemical conductor during the anodization process, typically in saturated solution of deionized water. When you're done with ano you have to rinse it thoroughly or you'll get little spots that develop in the oxide layer, which will ruin the finish over time. That said, the spots are actually a reaction between the silver and the phosphates in the cleaner, and you're probably going to have to etch them away, which is going to ruin the finish. You might try Barkeeper's Friend in a thin paste and a VERY soft, high-pile microfiber and see if that works - it does for Ti ano spots.
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NGC, I read, will still grade a coin MS70 with spot. The reason being the spot is mint state and not damage or marked after production. Spot is still unsightly though. Something happened in processing coins 2016 as the U.S. Eagle, Liberty along with the CAD Maple were horrendous that year. I believe both mints tried out a new chemical that year. I did not retain the details. Other than that borax has always been believed to be the cause of spotting. Cheers for the blow torch testing. I had considered giving it a go now I have no need to waste my time.
All the reason to buy bars . Less expensive premium. More for your money and easier to store
I had an idea to leave the coin inside an Oreo for 1 month and the cookie should absorb all the milk...
Another cool video.
Wow, really makes you want to reconsider the premium on Silver Eagles and modern Maple leaves. What is the good of paying less on Gov backed coins, only to have them lose value because of spotting. Any thoughts?
I tried a million ways but found the rubber with patience and gentleness is the best solution
Great video
I ordered a coin today, milk spots front and back. I'm going to clean it with Rembrandt toothpaste, probably do a video of it next week. I think I would have tried Red Rouge before I would use the eraser.
Maybe you could try putting them into some boiling water. I dont know if the milk spots are the product of a chemical reaction or if its just simply due to a residue being there, but it's worth a try and a few minutes of your time.
Seeing your removal fails was kinda funny tbh. But props for trying it on camera
There are coin dealers that don't care about milk spots, they will pay U the same as clean ones... Shop around U will find them
Thats my old coin dealer when I lived over there in PDX. :-)
I wonder if an acetone dip would do anything to the milk spotting? It shouldn't attack the silver. It Might react to any copper in the alloy of 90%,40%, etc. if left exposed a long time. I e got an old black book that says, at least for proofs, the plan gets are washed twice in a. Ream of tartar solution, then rinsed in alcohol ,then polished. Cream of tartar would probably be abrasive to use on a finished coin though, unless just soaked?
Borax is known to dissolve in hot sulfuric acid and silver will not be harmed in the process. I have not tested this theory yet on coins.
I heard that the striking process also heats the coin, and the heat and pressure of striking bakes the borax into the surface, it can't be removed without damaging the coin.
I have not tried this. But I wonder if an ultrasonic cleaner like what jewellers use might remove the milk spots?
Could milk spots just disappear over time on their own? In 1996 I bought 10 new silver eagles and I have kept them in plastic capsules since then. At one point in time some of them did have milk spots, but now they're gone.
One way that I have tried to remove milk supply and it kind of works for me is I used weiman silver polish and a Jewelers microfiber cloth which the fibers in it are slightly smaller than just your average microfiber cloth that you can get at the hardware store. It didn't leave a few very small scratches but honestly not that bad definitely not as bad as that a racer as you used.
You need to use Rodico that watch repairers use to clean the parts. Waaayyy easier and better!
@@GrandChessboard I have used that before for me personally it did not work that well
Same here, I use jewelers cloth used for cleaning silver. I guess I haven’t had bad spots because they clean right off with cloths
Boil them in water. I don't know if it works but borax is water soluble.
I use acetone to clean steel before welding. I wonder how it will work for milk spots if the coin was to soak for a day. I don’t (so far) have any milk spotted silver to try it.
It doesn't work. Oh, it were that simple...
My question is that was the Milk Spot exposed already when received, or after a period of time stored.
Have you tried using a magic Eraser, you know with Mr clean lol, I’ve heard those work but idk I haven’t tried them
The BEST way for YOU to remove the milk spots is to send the coins TO ME! Then You won’t have milk spots anymore. You’re welcome.
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I sold some 22 and 23 Brittania’s and maple leafs to JM Bullion purchase from Monument metals, and they considered them Cull because they had milk spots so I was paid less per coin. Obviously, I was disappointed because they were such a new coins. I believe it involves 75 coins.
I just got in a bunch of Sololia Elephants from Monument Metals. They are sold as BU however 25% of them had milk spots on arrival.
Would jeweler's pickling solution work to remove the oxide from heating with a torch?
2003 Australian kookaburra in sealed case was apparently not one’d by dealer to check it was silver has some small milk spots 👀 most on queen side but small on the rim too I’ve left it alone
Rodico does a good job
Thank You, for this Video, very Informative... Now I am Scared and of Course, I will Never Buy Maple Leaf Coins because of the Shotty Workmanship... This Shotty Workmanship, will end Up Costing me Money & I am here to Lose Money, that way...
Jewelry wipes work well. You won’t even tell it’s been cleaned.
Get the best quality jeweler's cloth. Not expensive. Some are really gentle. I don't get dullness at all like with the white eraser. Also did it for Britannias. But, they don't work on the rims.
Milk spots isn't damage... They don't bother me, jewelry wipes can remove them but can leave micro scratches
Can you use a Silver Polishing Cloth? Does this damage the coin? I have an Eagle that has a dark spot on the edge of both faces, that looks like a fingerprint tarnish. Can I use a cloth on this?
Milk spots should just be overlooked. Seeing how it’s fairly common.
My work place is going to start using laser rust removers in the near future.
I'm going to try the machine on my milkiest coins when it gets here.
I heard that if rubbed with an oreo cookie, it would soak up all the milk spots.
High heat 🔥 you say 🤔
Maybe put them on a cookie sheet with or maybe without alumni foil and bake them in the oven and then dip them.
Just a idea 💡 that popped into my head when you said high heat.
It might be better tha direct flame 🔥 🤔
If I were a dealer, I'd pay cull rates for coins with milk spots, even if they're in holders. I'd also break them out of the holders if they've got milk spots
Why do you want to remove milk spots? That’s the best security feature. 🤷🏻♂️
Great video brother thanks for the info
I am the not-so-proud owner of some 2016 Canadian Maples, a year badly affected by the problem of milk spots, as I think was mentioned in the video. Thankfully, I paid very little for them. I have had some success with the eraser removal technique. Firstly, you need to use the softest, most "rubbery" eraser you can find. I'm not sure what is available in the U.S. or elsewhere, but here in New Zealand, I find STAEDTLER is a good brand for this type of thing. Next, treat the coin as you might a piece of wood you are sanding, and "go with the grain." By this, I mean follow the lines that radiate inward. Follow the rim without touching any other part of the coin. When you come to treating the Maple leaf, this is straightforward. Follow the lines within the leaf, and be gentle over the unvariegated areas. The face and upper torso of Her Majesty present the major problem when using the eraser technique on Maples. Carefully follow the lines of the hair, and be very gentle. This is the key. And take your time... All you can do is follow what lines you can and gently rub over the face, up and down, until the spots have disappeared. If you are lucky, any marks left on H. M.'s face will be light. Next, if you have any acetone or isopropyl alcohol, dip the coin in briefly, then run it under water (I don't use purified or still water, as what comes out of the tap here is pretty harmless. You may wish to). Dry carefully with a 100% cotton cloth.
Following these steps, I have been quite lucky. Out of 8 or 9, I have only scratched one. Nobody I have sold them to has complained. The buyer of most was a chap who is convinced that silver is the currency of the future. The New Zealand site I sold them on has a feedback system. No negative reviews were posted. After Christmas, I'll do the rest. I don't have many more, and I want them gone! I hope this helps someone out there with a sack of ruined silver... All the best from New Zealand, Arthur Yapp - The One-Eyed-Raven.🙏
I haven't checked out part of my Star Wars and Marvel silvers in a while.... to my surprise and shock, Yoda and Mando is covered in milk spots. My Kruger's, Philharmonic's, and plenty more are Milky. I'm devastated. Even though i have no plans to sell, my heart is broken. It doesn't seem fair. Evidently, it's no fault of the customer.... it's something that happens during minting. I spent good money on these (what were) "pristine" coins, and now they're just ugly. Not to mention the loss in value. Something's gotta be done!
I just checked the other day I have milk spots on my 2021 Silver Eagle's, Maple Leafs, and Perth Coinage. Long story short, buy bars and junk silver for the spot value. Also buying crypto seems like a better option (at least I don't have to worry about my Bitcoin getting milk spots that will make one Bitcoin worth less than another due to manufacturer defect). Plus I don't have to pay a premium above market value.
Did you try this? : Place the coin on a sheet of aluminum in a saucepan, pour water, heat and add baking soda. Wait 5 minutes maybe more.
Never tried with milk spot but it s a good way to clean dirty coins without scratching them.
It works in removing copper spot from gold bar / coin as well
Cleans tarnish off silver,but not milk spots sadly
Just use silver cleaning wipes. Works perfect.
Freaking Maple Leafs are notorious for milk spots. I stopped buying them long ago.
they did get their act together. i haven’t got even one from them with a milkspot since they started using their secret mintshield process. i wish they would share that with other mints like the royal mint but that’s their competitor
I tried comet cleaning power and works and keeps it shining
You can clean off milk spots using silver jewelry wipes.
About the only solution I know of for milk spots is the crucible. That's fine for plain rounds, but how you remove them from a nice coin without damaging it I really don't know. Maybe I'll try some ideas with my milk spotted coins
My solution for milk spotted coins was to get rid of them.
Do they pay less for silver rounds with milk spots?
Unfortunately with Perth Mint I've only ever seen them get milkspots after grading. Seems to be fine in original mint capsules.
Are your Maples 2022? I thought they had solved that problem since 2021. At least that is how they advertised it from the RCM.
I think he used Maple Leaf coins that were minted in 2009, 2016.
One Krugerrand from 2022.
Will keeping the coins in capsules keep them from developing milk spots?
Not always. It is a matter of the cleaning quality from the mint, so there is little to be done if the problem roots back to the mint itself.
What about steam cleaning.
wow I have bought some leafs recently from 2013/2014 and they barely show any sign of milkspotting. One of them has a very small spot and thats about it.
The webshop I buy at however still buys them for the same price. All silver coins they buy 15% over spot, doesn't matter which mint which is why I just buy their older coins as they typically sell them for slightly less.
Perth Mint coins are very prone to milk spots. I buy rolls of lunar coins and every roll has at least one coin with milk spots. I keep a separate box for milk spotted and defective coins. When the price goes up, I’ll just sell them as bullion.
Has any one tried electrolysis?. I tried this on some old coins. Just to clean them up, may be it would remove milk spots? Iput the coin in a salt water solution, then with a 9v battery putvthe + and - either side of the coin, work quite well.
Would vinegar work?
Most of my silver britannias by the royal mint I've bought over the last couple of years have bad milk spots. It's a real shame the royal mint can't make coins without milk spots in 2022.
I'm sorry my friend but to me at least I would know they are really silver and silver is silver it still worth whatever an ounce is going for at the time if somebody doesn't want to buy something for me because it has milk spots on it I will ask somebody else
That's one of the main reasons why I prefer 90% and 92% silver coins over pure ones.
All my ASEs and Britannias have milk spotted. I’ve stopped collecting them all together. I just buy bars and constitutional silver now.
Never done it, worth a try tho. Supper high grit sandpaper, polish afterward?
Milk spots and toning are proof marks 😊
I have a question..... Which coins seem to have the most milk spotting is the Royal Canadian mint is it the US mint who has the most milk spotting on their coins and bullion🤔💫
What about the baking soda method?
I have a ms70 ase with a small spot.
I dont like corozion ocsidizing but i love it it meens its silver and its old
Only certain year of the maples did this. I have a bunch, my LCS was practically giving them away a couple years ago. Think I nabbed them at $18 CAD.
Want to sale them for $19.00 CAD??? hahaha
@@stevewoods8116 heck no! Lol
You're buying the silver not the dirt it should not matter just another gimmicky way for them to get things cheaper when you paid full price right is right wrong is wrong
Why not get a pan of distilled water
Add Borax, and boil the coin, checking frequently for any changes or progress?
My Krugerrand came from bulion dealer milky..
I’ve had bad luck with the Austrian Philharmonics milk spotting
Deep (over night) in Bakig soda & watter or maybe in Coca-Cola 🤔😏
Coca Cola cleans everything lol. Scary we drink that stuff 😳
That reminds me of talking on the phone and when you’re done looking at the phone and there is spit spots all over the screen.
What about eZest Easy Coin Cleaner?
Has anyone tried never dull wadding polish?
Next tip, grab milk spotted coins, melt them and proceed to pour some cool bars😅👍🏼
Jewelry wipes are supposed to remove milk spots.
Hello,
Do you know when milk stains started appearing on US coins?
In the end I will only collect Morgan and Peace dollars.
Greetings from Spain
A jewelers ultrasonic cleaner?
Why does it seem like the coins milk spot worse than the generic rounds?
Hmmmm, ever thought about electroplating silver with silver? Maybe you can just cover them up?
What about ultrasonic cleaner?
Maybe rubbing alcohol solution in ultrasonic cleaner ?🤔
how about trying a little bit of baking soda and water and lightly rubbing with your thumb and finger and then rinsing. how about doing a video on that and see how that turns out!