How To Renew A Sintered Base Ski and Fix Base Burn An Alternative To Stone Grinding
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2013
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This is how I take an old dry sintered ski base and make it take wax again. ONE NEEDS TO LISTEN TO THE WHOLE VIDEO TO UNDERSTAND. This is an alternative to grinding a base. Here you will see the entire process I go through. The skis I work over here are old, but now they will run and glide better than ever before. I had to do this a few times to get the skis back in shape. - Jak na to + styl
This dude is a beast! Got my wifes 2011 nordica mints looking and feeling like better than new. 10yrs. later!
Thanks. The scraper could have been a bit sharper here, but oh well. Main thing is sharp, but rough at the same time to produce structure. Glad you had good results. Lots of work it can be, and with a base high situation, can be better than grinding!
In my town ski tuning done by a shop is really expensive. I try to do my tuning at home as much as possible. This video really helped me because I don’t have a stone grinder at home. Thanks for the post!
I had to scrape these one more time, then they were awesome. They still haul the mail today! Trick is to have a very sharp scraper, then practice!
Yes Burton, man made snow is very abrasive. For that type of snow a very hard wax is what is needed. Also, that hard wax needs to be applied every night after skiing in that stuff. Be sure to brush out the board or ski prior to any waxing. Once the base is "burned" one will have to do this to "cure" it. You can only grind a ski so many times. This way can be done many more times and still have a base left.
You make some of the best tuning videos on CZcams.
Again From Burton " So many people on the east coast have base burn from riding on man-made snow. I have noticed that the man-made snow will strip the wax off of the base faster than natural snow."
Thank you for being so generous in sharing your knowledge. I just restored my old Rossignol Acrylite 47 AR XC skis. They look better than new. So very much appreciated, brother.
Awesome! I had to do this twice to these skis to get them really working again.
If a base has been overheated, then one may never be able to "open" it up again.
Good luck, and when done well, they should haul some mail! Assuming they have Dominator wax on them!
@@Sagina1999 I took them out on their maiden voyage last night and it was spectacular. Clearly, I still have much to learn, but knowing that I have some ability to fix the nasties, gives me much peace of mind, and more freedom to enjoy more freedom. Thanks again, brother.
@@garykuzminski7969 Curious, did you use a Kuzmin scraper? I don't have one now, but hear they are very, very sharp!
Also, although one still needs to use a base prep. wax, many XC skiers are finding much success with the Dominator paste waxes.
Easy to keep the waxes out of the scales, and it's gliding properties seem unbeatable.
Thanks Burtonsteez. They are long, but that's the way I do them. I want folks to see the entire process. This gives time to talk about it as I go. The learning is in the talk. The proof is always in the pudding! ;-)
Very informative and helpful video. I was able to save the base of a very important ski. Thank you.
Thanks Kernel. Sometimes this needs to be done a few times. Still removes less than a grinder!
I like Ski gurus and you’re one of them!
Glad you enjoy. My videos long and most learning is in the talking. Thanks!
Great video! :) I really like your shop!
Thanks. I'm deep into it! One man shop with huge hot box I made myself. I ski quite a bit so it was a good investment. Sure I tune for others as well. Take it easy now. Be careful on that Super Bike! I had two laps at Laguna Seca years ago. Insane!
If your stuff is not dry, or burnt, no worries. If you have a lot of scratches it will remove the high spots though. That will help your glide.
Nice work , thanks.
It works. My scraper could have been sharper. I had to do this one more time. Still have the skis, and the haul the mail!
can this method be used on a snowboard? any chance you could do a video on it?.....
You're welcome. I have never scraped my snowboard base like this before. Is this process something that you would perform on a well maintained ski or snowboard as well? As long as you wax regularly you don't need to do this or is it something that you should do once a year during the off-season?
So many people on the east coast have base burn from riding on man-made snow. I have noticed that the man-made snow will strip the wax off of the base faster than natural snow.
I just started with tuning and waxing. How do you get rid of "small" scratches that arent deep enough to fill with ptex? Also this way?
another question; please make more of this content! your expertise and explanation is great!
Exactly. Don't sweat small scratches!
You can also use a wood working chisel, like you see me use in this video. Never repair small scratches.
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I do this to all my skis and my wife's skis. Then I sand paper and steel brush the bases. I create
a burr on my Swedish Steel Scraper with a burnisher and it removes a lot more material than with the filing only method ( I file and use diamond stones prior to burnishing). Try
that. Great video as usual!
Yes, there are more advanced ways to sharpen the scraper. I sometimes burnish with one of those rods for knives. Works great. I will admit my scraper was not the sharpest in this day! I had to do this another time to really get back to good base.
Still skiing the skis from time to time, and they are awesome! Rossi Power S 9's
Nice! You should do a video on mounting bindings or repairing binding holes with inserts. I mount my own bindings and it would be great to have somebody like you, with your attention to detail, make such a video. You are a natural teacher.
@@dick91p Thanks, but mounting bindings are the one thing I don't do.
@@Sagina1999 do you do too sheet repair? My board is peeling..
@@shofarsogood7504 No sir!
Hi this is really good !
I have 12 years old snowboard and I never even waxed ! The reason is that board have very nice deep texture and I didn't want to loose that!
So I did some research recently (now I know I was stupid) so now I bought some stuff and want to look after it!
Im wondering if I can use the normal wire scrubbing brush, I found one with 8x22 bristles so it's quite dens, but bristles are 3cm long
What do you think? Will be good to texture it a bit? I really appreciate your opinion!
I already bought brass and nylon brushes , wax and gummy stone, stomp pad, some p-tex, all adds up! And steel brushes are very expensive!
Please advise
Get the brush. Maybe it is not super stiff though. Maybe look at a hardware store for a really stiff stainless brush. Sometimes they are sold for BBQ grate cleaning etc. Good luck.
Why withhold this Burton? Good question.
"You're welcome. I have never scraped my snowboard base like this before. Is this process something that you would perform on a well maintained ski or snowboard as well? As long as you wax regularly you don't need to do this or is it something that you should do once a year during the off-season."
That's nice.
Hey, so I just picked up an old pair of Moment Bibbys made in 2015. I’ve got an edge crack on one ski underfoot. I was thinking about predrilling two tiny holes and putting two screws in coated with jb weld, then patching over the access cutout with some dye cut 4001 durasurf. Also have a 3 and a half ish inch piece of topsheet at the tail that chunked off. I was planning to sanding it a lil and then lay a small fiberglass piece with topsheet material over top, and clamp the shit outta it. Then was going to do this base method shown in the video after all that’s all figured out to bring the life back to em. Two questions if you don’t mind. Do you think my patching methods will work okay, and do you know of anyway of sintering the topsheet back it’s factory-ish look? Theres a fair amount of medium and micro scratches, and they’ve lost all the sheen.I was going to give sanding a shot but wasn’t sure if I’d be able to get the same brushed texture. Also, last question, had one more pop into my head. Do you know of any good way of doing something similar for the sidewalls?
Wow, that's a lot. All I can say is good luck. I never worry about cosmetic stuff like how a top sheet looks.
The skis are only going to last you so long, so don't go overboard! I'd just scrape the base, then tune the edges and scrape the base again, wax them up good and have fun.
I’ve used your technic and it works awesome on our grandkids used dried up skis but How did you do the long base level?
With a file. It's a lot of work to cut into the bases a bit. I use a coarse file, then polish back down with diamond stones.
@@Sagina1999 Thanks I watched another video and noticed how as you worked the base edge is where it it all comes to get her thanks again
Great vid. I have a question about a friends board I waxed. It seemed like the wax was flaking off on his board and not being absorbed into the base material. I am pretty sure he had not waxed it much if ever and the board is probably ten years old. The board looked dry after one day of riding. Seems dried out like you said. Would a stone grind at a shop restore it similarly to what you are doing with the metal scraper?
Yes. Get it done. Then use a quality base prep. wax before you apply a glide wax.
@@Sagina1999 thank you sir
@@bartmcdowell8349 You are quite welcome. I do these to help folks out.
Hi from Menton in France. ... very interesting and helpfull.. i have been doing the same for few years before tuning edges... just one thing, shame you didnt show how to check the flatness of the base.... ciao
I use a true bar to check base flatness, but for these skis, the steel scraper told me they were flat enough! Thanks, Jacques Mailloux
Thanks for fast answer... i am very fond of skiing and tuning.... on average i ski 100 times each winter... most of time in courchevel. ..ciao
@@philippetesta7443 Me too! Mt. Bachelor, Oregon, USA. Be good!
Ok, but I want change a part of base, how many it?
good job sagina... great video
can you use a plastic scraper instead of a metal one? or is it less effective?
You can, but it will need to be very sharp. I would stick with a steel scraper. One may also use a aluminum oxide or similar polishing stone and use it like a scraper. You need to do the stones wet.
Sagina1999 thanks for the reply.... so is this process as good or better than a machine base grind?
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Depends. For any lineal grind it is equal. Maybe better sometimes as the chance of plastic "creep" is gone. A stone grind still needs a bunch of work to bring it up to speed.
@@luis7suarez7 Back again to show you the work involved for a freshly stone ground ski.
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Then prior to that cleaning a fresh stone grind.
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I have just bought some second hand ski blades probably about ten years old so the base needs some TLC. I will follow your video and restore them but trying to find a store to buy a stainless steel brush is a pain.
You might want to look at a hardware store. Many brushes can be used on a ski base.
Scrape away! Even if you skip brushing, it will be okay.
I have bought a barbecue steel brush off Amazon should do the trick
@@Shan-outnabout That's the ticket. Hope it all worked out. The scraper must be very sharp. When I made this video, the scraper could have been sharper.
Hi,
If you had them ground before or scraped before or even not worked on before, the steel edges should be at the same height as the base. in that case a scraper wider than the ski would really not be removing much of the base material as it would be resting on the steel edges.. How would you deal with that?
+s sanka With a "long" base bevel, just as I show in the video. Maybe you skipped part of the video. It's covered in the first two minutes. Check it out.
@@Sagina1999 I was wondering why you didn't explain that. You talked about doing the long bevel, but not how and why. It was right before your neighbor came, so maybe it got lost in the confusion or the edit. Great work though.
@@JackBauer529 Yea, I guess I thought folks would understand
thanks dude
You are welcome. Some need a lot of scraping. Don't be shy, scrape a huge pile off! It makes for a fast ski!
Might be a dumb question. I have a Volkl AC40 a Volkl 724 AX3 and a Rossy S3,
my wife has Volkl Energy 220 a Volkl AttivaLuna and a Rossy S3.
The Rossy’s appears to have a sintered base.
The Volkl’s I’m questioning which they are.
They almost appear to be extruded. Could you help me out on how to be sure?
You can't tell by looking. Most Volkl's would be a good base. Either way removing "burnt" base will improve the glide and or wax absorption.
Just do it!
@@Sagina1999 I started skiing in 1971 through77, life got in the way, but resumed in 2005. Never had a need to tune skis but now with the rest of our family skiing it has become a reality to start. I want to let you know how much we appreciate your experience and knowledge. We are from South Dakota but have family in Boise. Maybe some day we might stop in and say in person thanks.
They did live in Bend for a year, catch you there.
@@jeffolthoff5951 Okay. As long as I am alive!
Be good!
Please give details of exactly what kind or type of corse fibre pad please ..
The type used for wood working. 3M fiber pad.
It would be the maroon colored one.
Don't use any fiber pad for doing dishes. They can have other additives not for skis.
Aloha, Sagina1999! Bought a new/old 2013 snowboard with a high end sintered base. I assume it came with a factory wax, but that was 7 years ago. Do you think I would need to scrape off a layer of ptex or do you think I could get away with just using a brass brush and applying new wax? Thanks for any advice you could give.
Go ahead and brush the death out of it. Use some quality base prep wax such as Dominator Base Renew. Then wax it up and try it out. If after use, if the base looks gray or whitish, then you will need to remove the old dried up plastic layer. It's harder to do with a snowboard using the scraper method as they are so wide, but can be done. If not, you will need to have the base stone ground. Look for a shop that stone grinds boards a lot, has a good machine and a competent operator. Good luck!
Thanks so much for the advice. I'm in Hawaii so no ski shops for a base grind here. Base doesn't look burned, but is probably thirsty for wax. Will definitely look into the Dominator Base Renew. Thanks again.
@@eightoeightmiles Good luck!
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Aloha, Sagina1999! I ordered some base prep wax. What do you think about a hot scrape before a second coat of prep wax? The base is pretty much new and is probably just really dry but not particularly dirty. Thanks again for the help.
@@eightoeightmiles I don't hot scrape anymore.
I use Swix Glide Wax Cleaner. Way better and easier than hot scraping.
That said, you surely want to clean the base well on a new ski or board.
Give it a few hot scrapes, then apply a layer of the base prep. Heat it and let it cool overnight. Then without scraping, heat it again and cool. Do that at least three times. Maybe much later during storage, scrape and brush, then apply prep, wax again for storage.
Good luck!
What kind of plastic is this, porous UHMWPE?
Exactly. Sintered UHMWPE!
Cause I have the same race skis, different bindings and mine are 9x, but they don't have that much white
Ha ha. I stll love those skis. Yet to ski them yet this season. I had to do what you see here twice over to get them "good" again. They take wax now and haul the mail!
So the white on the plastic is the old stuff?
Yes, that's the abraied or dried out part. You need to remove it this way, or stone grind it off.
Thnx
How much do you charge for this work? seems cheaper to just buy new skis
New skis need a lot of work too. The skis in the video were purchased for $50.00. I guess if you can find new skis for that then you got a good deal!
I had to do this twice to get them good again. No charge as they are my own!
+Sagina1999 BTW, this is something one would do instead of a stone grind. Some new skis may need a bit of flattening, but I don't follow the totally flat camp. Base shape makes a ski handle in different ways depending on the shape. For one example look at the Elan Amphibio's new skis. Many other skis may have a bit of a boat shape in the tips and tails as well.
silicon treadmill oil works well on a dry base.
I use silicon lube to get into my ski boots easier, but would not advise on an un-waxed ski base. A wipe over a fresh wax job may not hurt, as it will come off super fast anyway.
Sagina1999. I've never seen any adverse effects on an extruded base. I also never tryed it on a cindered base. Thanks for the reply.
@@siayourcannaguy6106 It is quite hydrophobic, yet the effect will be short-lived. Personally, I would not do it. Some silicone lubes are not pure and contain other oils as well.
The base is polyethylene. What should dry out of it? Makes no sense. Must be a different process happening.
Ever leave some in the sun? What happens?
Ever do some sanding on some? What happens?
"The environmental degradation mechanisms for plastics can be classified as either (i) physical, referring to changes in the bulk structure, such as cracking, embrittlement, and flaking, or (ii) chemical, referring to changes at the molecular level such as bond cleavage or oxidation of long polymer chains to create new molecules, usually with significantly shorter chain lengths."
"Typically, chemical degradation at near-ambient temperatures in the environment involves either hydrolysis (requiring H2O) or oxidation (requiring O2), both of which can be accelerated by microbial action, heat, light, or combinations thereof."
cool pants
Those are "painters" pants. I like white pants for the summer to stay cooler, then they become work pants.
put the video on 1.25x / 1.5x and he sounds just like the Joker
Ha ha. Good one!
Have you ever heard of a STONE GRIND????? you're living in the past.......
+scott thirkell You are funny! I guess you don't listen or watch the video before you comment!
+scott thirkell Sweet video you have indeed!
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+scott thirkell Thanks again! You made the top of the list!
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Lol not everyone wants to pay$$ or drive drop it off nothing wrong with this