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It is if you said about Infi who did not have MK for the 3rd hero. He also did not have melee units vs mountain giants or two-three air units.. In the end he lost like he deserved.
@@On3Thought 4-5 footmen isn't expensive especially when you didn't take them away in the beginning. After all, you researched tier 3 and just for inner fire... Why no MK with stun vs keeper's ultimate?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
dark ranger couldve be useful for infi in game 1. infi and th000 seem to figure out a way to combat ne. infi just needs better execution in game1. th000 is more tenacious than infi and beat moon multiple times at final. This final is gon be very interesting.
*spoiler alert* . . . . too bad in game one he lost so many mortar teams near enemy base, he had zeppelin, could have saved most of them from that point getting mass tp on archmage at level 6 and just moving around killing buildings would have won him the game he can even go inside trees in some places to fire from there also about entangle stopping it, he can just walk around the corner out of vision and then cast mass tp
Yesterday Infi and Th000 had a discussion about HUM VS NE, and the crucial thing is don't let ne players get used to against Hum. So that's the reason why they used NE normally and used HUM in key games. For NE players, it's now even hard to find a tier one Hum Player to do practice. This is the TRUTH :)
Tranquility CD needs to be double what it is. That's just unfair. All of the Night Elf ults are basically game winners, which is utterly ridiculous when you consider the ults that other races get. Think about it, do any of the other races have heroes with ults that even _compare_ to _any_ of the night elf hero ults? The closest I can think of is the dreadlord's infernal (but the hero itself is lack luster), or Mass Teleport (but that's very situational and tactical)--hardly the sort of mindless raw power that night elf gets just from pressing the ult key. Night Elf ults include a massive aoe heal that can be used constantly, mass aoe damage that obliterates armies, superman form--which also obliterates armies, assassinates heroes, wrecks buildings--and the best summon in the game, a massive HP high damage monster that continually produces invulnerable mini summons. If night elf reaches an ult, it wins them the game by itself more often than not. If other races reach an ult, half the time they choose a different skill to level because their ults are so lackluster. Now that's bullshit. Let's hope reforged fixes this garbage balance.
wanted one since i was 15 years old, finally imported it a weeks ago from the US :D apparently not that easy to get anymore. their show in hamburg was THE CRAZIEST THING i ever witnessed
tranquility is good what it was awhile ago, with the longer cooldown, was balanced did they change it just by virtue of the fact it is an interruptible ult?
I'm smelling sarcasm here. I think they may have perhaps buffed it because at the moment all races often times have a counter to entangle and ents by the time keeper reaches level 6. However, I am not saying the game is or is not balanced.
Am I seeing it right, that the tree of eternity went down to the red camp, got beaten the shit out (30:20), walked back to base, then started walking down again, agroed the orange camp and got killed (32:05)? That can't be right? xD
WHY didn't INFI just rebuild his expansion and mine? Why do they always just stop mining even at these high levels? He had the advantage for so long but didn't use it and then lost war of endurance.
Not only that - he had 5 mortars, and instead of killing remaining 7 buildings, he choose to fight... Slowed mountain giants would have never even get to him.
With all due respect, but Infi's endgame in the first match was ATROCIOUS. Why didn't he just go back to the moon's base and kill everything with mortars? Moon had like 6 moonwells, altar and hunter's den. What's the problem with fighting with rifles/sorcs/priests with Moon's army and then just right clicking with mortars? It was veeery clear, that such fight would create a stalemate long enough for Infi to do his work. I was pulling my hair out, cause it was sooo unbelievably stupid of him :/ He could've won that no problem.
you're talking about ignoring moons army and try to win by killing all building? the problem with that is that elf can hide buildings and you can end up losing everything trying to kill them... infi was smart not to take such a stupid risk in this match, although its easy to criticize in hindsight if he tried what you're talking about moon would just snipe am with focus fire entangle, when you try to kill buildings ignoring enemy army you're in a very vulnerable position and am didn't have mass tp to get out of there because of entagle root he didnt even train it. basically infi would be going all in on hoping all moons buildings were in his base moon did get revealed but at that point i dont think infi had enough dmg output to make it happen also, moon is not some bnet noob, he would see it coming and react accordingly by building aows at last seconds across the map, making infi chase them back and forth (moon would just sell items for gold in this situation)
@@stunny89 I am talking about the moment when he was already revealed, and you cannot "hide" buildings like that till eternity. Sorceresses had a lot of mana thanks to AM's third level of brilliance aura, so he could at least attempt kiting/slowing down Moon. AM could've fought just as he did on the northern part of the map. He wouldn't get killed so easily.
True that infi could've won game 1, but for a different reason, and definitely not because of the strategy you mentioned. 1. infi has only 3 mortars left and moon has 6 mountains. 2. infi didnt have the information as you do at the time and moon was revealed 3 minutes later. 3. playing under pressure is nothing like watching the match, not to mention that your strategy wouldn't work at all. I was pulling my hair out when reading your comment cause it was unbelievably stupid
ye he should have retrained his archmage and get masstele and destroy the last buildings instead of buying this useless wardrums. But in the end elf is a fucking joke and human didnt win a tourney since 1 year. This mountain giants are way too strong and easy to play for everyone. Infi played this game perfect and made a perfect timing push and still lost the game, thats why he left game 2 and 3 so quick.
@@ThurisAzLiZarD those MGs are unkillable, the only way for Infi to win is to kill hero, if they went for a base kill race, MG can destroy buildings at a much faster pace than human armies
Infi is one of my favourite players but I hate when he GG out from the game prematurely , of course he knows the game way way better than me but I think that always has a chance to win even if you facing Moon and this imbalanced NE race
game 1 was awesome to watch... I hoped for MK third for infi, to get better snipes done... but damn, the following matches were kinda uneventfull.... boring...
for 10 years NE had been weak now ppl just complain about NE even thought there's only Moon being dominant. And in game2 and game3 Moon was doing amazingly in early game.
Both players are awesome and admirable, I've always enjoyed watching them play. But now blizzard has fucked up really hard with warcraft, i cant even watch it anymore. 1st game was absolutely ridiculous, these mgs must be nerfed hard or the game is over. 3/3 upgraded rifles and mortars + master priests + adept sorcs vs 3/3 upgrades mgs + a few dryads, and still human has no chance. So disgusting i cant play or watch it anymore. Even Moon and night elves know its completely imba.
The lack of farie dragons is... /facepalm. I love and admire moon, but seriously this is painful to watch. All those priests in the back line casually mass healing infi’s army for half an hour. What did he expect? If this is intentional, then Idk what moon is trying to prove here by not making fairies. What’s next, is moon going to mass huntresses v.s frost wyrms? WC3 pros rely too much on their heroes to perform acrobatic miracles, and forget about unit composition very easily. In Starcraft II you would never see pros making the wrong units repeatedly after multiple fights.
Viscom it’s different production building, you don’t has option to switch tech when defending a timing push. and by the way farie against hum is mediocre, rifle can just focus them down.
150g for a new building is not going to break the bank, just like losing a tp or invul doesn’t mean you lost the game. Fairies have fairly big AoE so you can keep them away from rifles. Though it does require a bit more control, and you need multiple fairies to reposition as the enemy kites.
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It is if you said about Infi who did not have MK for the 3rd hero. He also did not have melee units vs mountain giants or two-three air units.. In the end he lost like he deserved.
@@redlkb Too expensive and for gryphon switch.
@@On3Thought 4-5 footmen isn't expensive especially when you didn't take them away in the beginning. After all, you researched tier 3 and just for inner fire... Why no MK with stun vs keeper's ultimate?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
The tree killed itself after witnessing the new blizzard balancing.
Tranquility never stop.
dark ranger couldve be useful for infi in game 1.
infi and th000 seem to figure out a way to combat ne. infi just needs better execution in game1.
th000 is more tenacious than infi and beat moon multiple times at final. This final is gon be very interesting.
Infi managed to save mortal teams with zapplin at the beginning, but he forgot it completely later.
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too bad in game one he lost so many mortar teams near enemy base, he had zeppelin, could have saved most of them
from that point getting mass tp on archmage at level 6 and just moving around killing buildings would have won him the game
he can even go inside trees in some places to fire from there
also about entangle stopping it, he can just walk around the corner out of vision and then cast mass tp
Can someone tell me why infi did not hunt buildings down as Moon was revealed and out of gold ?
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Yesterday Infi and Th000 had a discussion about HUM VS NE, and the crucial thing is don't let ne players get used to against Hum. So that's the reason why they used NE normally and used HUM in key games. For NE players, it's now even hard to find a tier one Hum Player to do practice. This is the TRUTH :)
Tranquility CD needs to be double what it is. That's just unfair. All of the Night Elf ults are basically game winners, which is utterly ridiculous when you consider the ults that other races get. Think about it, do any of the other races have heroes with ults that even _compare_ to _any_ of the night elf hero ults? The closest I can think of is the dreadlord's infernal (but the hero itself is lack luster), or Mass Teleport (but that's very situational and tactical)--hardly the sort of mindless raw power that night elf gets just from pressing the ult key. Night Elf ults include a massive aoe heal that can be used constantly, mass aoe damage that obliterates armies, superman form--which also obliterates armies, assassinates heroes, wrecks buildings--and the best summon in the game, a massive HP high damage monster that continually produces invulnerable mini summons. If night elf reaches an ult, it wins them the game by itself more often than not. If other races reach an ult, half the time they choose a different skill to level because their ults are so lackluster. Now that's bullshit. Let's hope reforged fixes this garbage balance.
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wanted one since i was 15 years old, finally imported it a weeks ago from the US :D apparently not that easy to get anymore. their show in hamburg was THE CRAZIEST THING i ever witnessed
What a crazy game!
Guys, can you give us an update what the hell happened to moons tree of eternity in game one?
tranquility is good
what it was awhile ago, with the longer cooldown, was balanced
did they change it just by virtue of the fact it is an interruptible ult?
I'm smelling sarcasm here. I think they may have perhaps buffed it because at the moment all races often times have a counter to entangle and ents by the time keeper reaches level 6. However, I am not saying the game is or is not balanced.
Nice race
lets call sherlock to find that tree of eternity
Is there ANY way we can get a game between moon and happy??? Would be kinda amazing;)
Simon Nilsson it will just be a stomp in this patch, check out happy’s neteasz game play. Even Ted an undead player beat happy easily with elf.
U mean stomp, happy win??;)
Simon Nilsson 3:0 for moon, in this patch. You can check happy’s netease games, he struggles against night elf.
Simon Nilsson happy’s netease ID is IloveCandies, ranking number 60 on netease ladder.
MGs just right clicking units, won't even die, v1.31 is a joke
and yet HUs just won on the finals
@@ThesGt because you generalise the whole patch with only one game, shows how much thought you put into the balancing
Even i don't like infi, but I must admit that he is one of the best war3 Players. You know, He can also play elf very well.
Am I seeing it right, that the tree of eternity went down to the red camp, got beaten the shit out (30:20), walked back to base, then started walking down again, agroed the orange camp and got killed (32:05)? That can't be right? xD
In game 1 Infi could have abused his movement speed to eliminate Moon by destroying all of his buildings
WHY didn't INFI just rebuild his expansion and mine? Why do they always just stop mining even at these high levels? He had the advantage for so long but didn't use it and then lost war of endurance.
And why buy jaggo of endurance but no blizzard retraining?
46:35 quote of the year?
Infi could have rebuilt his expo at least 3 times, instead he bought drums. I think that's what lost him the game
Not only that - he had 5 mortars, and instead of killing remaining 7 buildings, he choose to fight... Slowed mountain giants would have never even get to him.
Irvin dude, One single MG with a stick can rape the expo, and moon has way more MG. Rebuilding expo is unnecessary risk.
I also think he should kill the building and save the woker for gold mine.
MG's would get this expo easliy, so he coudnt have done that
Last two games were VERY INFI
Oh yeah yeah
That poll tough 😂
shouldve gone mass teleport
1game crazyyyy🥇moon
INFI INFI AGAIN!!!
With all due respect, but Infi's endgame in the first match was ATROCIOUS. Why didn't he just go back to the moon's base and kill everything with mortars? Moon had like 6 moonwells, altar and hunter's den. What's the problem with fighting with rifles/sorcs/priests with Moon's army and then just right clicking with mortars? It was veeery clear, that such fight would create a stalemate long enough for Infi to do his work.
I was pulling my hair out, cause it was sooo unbelievably stupid of him :/ He could've won that no problem.
you're talking about ignoring moons army and try to win by killing all building?
the problem with that is that elf can hide buildings and you can end up losing everything trying to kill them...
infi was smart not to take such a stupid risk in this match, although its easy to criticize in hindsight
if he tried what you're talking about moon would just snipe am with focus fire entangle, when you try to kill buildings ignoring enemy army you're in a very vulnerable position and am didn't have mass tp to get out of there because of
entagle root he didnt even train it.
basically infi would be going all in on hoping all moons buildings were in his base
moon did get revealed but at that point i dont think infi had enough dmg output to make it happen
also, moon is not some bnet noob, he would see it coming and react accordingly by building aows at last seconds across the map, making infi chase them back and forth (moon would just sell items for gold in this situation)
@@stunny89 I am talking about the moment when he was already revealed, and you cannot "hide" buildings like that till eternity. Sorceresses had a lot of mana thanks to AM's third level of brilliance aura, so he could at least attempt kiting/slowing down Moon. AM could've fought just as he did on the northern part of the map. He wouldn't get killed so easily.
True that infi could've won game 1, but for a different reason, and definitely not because of the strategy you mentioned.
1. infi has only 3 mortars left and moon has 6 mountains.
2. infi didnt have the information as you do at the time and moon was revealed 3 minutes later.
3. playing under pressure is nothing like watching the match, not to mention that your strategy wouldn't work at all.
I was pulling my hair out when reading your comment cause it was unbelievably stupid
ye he should have retrained his archmage and get masstele and destroy the last buildings instead of buying this useless wardrums. But in the end elf is a fucking joke and human didnt win a tourney since 1 year. This mountain giants are way too strong and easy to play for everyone. Infi played this game perfect and made a perfect timing push and still lost the game, thats why he left game 2 and 3 so quick.
@@ThurisAzLiZarD those MGs are unkillable, the only way for Infi to win is to kill hero, if they went for a base kill race, MG can destroy buildings at a much faster pace than human armies
Infi is one of my favourite players but I hate when he GG out from the game prematurely , of course he knows the game way way better than me but I think that always has a chance to win even if you facing Moon and this imbalanced NE race
Ивайло Игнатов it was gg both hero’s got away and alch has transmute and infis Alc want close to 6
Couldn't stand watching this. Especially considering Infi got "d'cd" after we saw that the first item was a pendant for him. Smh.
is there anybody that can beat moon? he is so good
human has no chance against night elf in this patch, not just moon. patch is op, not moon
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game 1 was awesome to watch... I hoped for MK third for infi, to get better snipes done... but damn, the following matches were kinda uneventfull.... boring...
Imba human
they need to fix elf.... its the only reason i dont play anymore, when 50% elf players beat everyone theres a problem
for 10 years NE had been weak now ppl just complain about NE even thought there's only Moon being dominant. And in game2 and game3 Moon was doing amazingly in early game.
Moon: 'imba I am'
play on Battle.net where it is fixed. On netease they dont apply patches fast enough.
they did. the tournament was played on the old patch.
@@zihenghe7462 Elf weak for 10 years?? LOL?? NE was aleardy best/2nd best with human (before 1.30)
Both players are awesome and admirable, I've always enjoyed watching them play. But now blizzard has fucked up really hard with warcraft, i cant even watch it anymore. 1st game was absolutely ridiculous, these mgs must be nerfed hard or the game is over.
3/3 upgraded rifles and mortars + master priests + adept sorcs vs 3/3 upgrades mgs + a few dryads, and still human has no chance. So disgusting i cant play or watch it anymore. Even Moon and night elves know its completely imba.
they are nerfed. Just not on that chinese server all these tourneys are on.
@@dicknijmegen let's hope it's enough! but i doubt it... :( i may be wrong though
The lack of farie dragons is... /facepalm. I love and admire moon, but seriously this is painful to watch. All those priests in the back line casually mass healing infi’s army for half an hour. What did he expect? If this is intentional, then Idk what moon is trying to prove here by not making fairies. What’s next, is moon going to mass huntresses v.s frost wyrms?
WC3 pros rely too much on their heroes to perform acrobatic miracles, and forget about unit composition very easily. In Starcraft II you would never see pros making the wrong units repeatedly after multiple fights.
Viscom it’s different production building, you don’t has option to switch tech when defending a timing push. and by the way farie against hum is mediocre, rifle can just focus them down.
fairie strat is only viable against undead, while MGs is for human, so i don't see any mistake there.
150g for a new building is not going to break the bank, just like losing a tp or invul doesn’t mean you lost the game.
Fairies have fairly big AoE so you can keep them away from rifles. Though it does require a bit more control, and you need multiple fairies to reposition as the enemy kites.