Who Is The God Of Middle Earth And Did He Intervene?

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  • čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
  • It is well known that Middle-Earth is influenced by powerful deities and beings. The Maiar, such as Sauron and Gandalf, were created to serve the Valar. However, the Valar, with the notable exception of Morgoth, served the higher being known as Eru Ilúvatar, the father of all. It was him alone that could create life using what was known as the flame imperishable. Although he rarely chose to intervene in the affairs of Middle Earth, there were two notable occasions when he did. The first was during the second age, when Illuvitar transformed the world from flat to round, drowning the fallen land of Númenor. A letter written by Tolkein also revealed that it was Illuvitar himself that caused Gollum to trip, thus ensuring the One Ring fell into the fires of Mount Doom.
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Komentáře • 302

  • @sauronsfortress467
    @sauronsfortress467  Před 2 lety +100

    What Should I Make A Video On Next?

  • @d3vos_the_god
    @d3vos_the_god Před 2 lety +2147

    Eru said “lets make that specific part of the ground extra slippery just in case”

  • @TheInstinctWithinV2
    @TheInstinctWithinV2 Před rokem +471

    So Eru put the slippery rock there. Imagine he took a humanoid form and walked over to the spot with it laughing to himself like "This is going to be the best prank of the 3rd age"

    • @Gorindakia
      @Gorindakia Před rokem +28

      Also the last prank of the third age. Best for last ig

    • @Larakinerd
      @Larakinerd Před rokem +12

      We do a little trolling

    • @Gorindakia
      @Gorindakia Před rokem +20

      A prank so good, it began a new age

    • @masterchief2402
      @masterchief2402 Před rokem +6

      It was because gollum broke his promise, which has power in middle earth depending on the type of promise

    • @zherean42069
      @zherean42069 Před rokem +1

      Tis a prank, master gollum

  • @borgthepig
    @borgthepig Před 2 lety +864

    There is also the fact that Eru intervened with the death of Gandalf. Along with the fact that Beren or Luthien, one of the two, died but was revived by Eru.

    • @chucksmitleyv145
      @chucksmitleyv145 Před 2 lety +12

      Thank you for your service 🙏

    • @grassblock7668
      @grassblock7668 Před rokem +26

      They both died and they both got revived

    • @Noah_McCurry
      @Noah_McCurry Před rokem +5

      Yea

    • @therealelderking5830
      @therealelderking5830 Před rokem +36

      B&L were revived by Mandis with Eru’s permission. Eru did not directly revive them.
      Gandalf on the other hand, was revived directly by Eru, since the Valar simply did not have the power to revive a Maia.

    • @grassblock7668
      @grassblock7668 Před rokem +3

      @@therealelderking5830 Ah yes, Mandis the Judge of the Dead.

  • @mattmao47
    @mattmao47 Před rokem +495

    And Eru Ilúvatar said unto Gollum:
    "Fuck yo creepy-ass toes in particular"

    • @Tenchi707
      @Tenchi707 Před rokem +13

      That's very rube like, Eru would never speak in such vile tongue

    • @trap_kyun90yearsago52
      @trap_kyun90yearsago52 Před 9 měsíci +3

      I would like you to be a clean gollum in your next life

    • @ClonserHalphalive
      @ClonserHalphalive Před 7 měsíci +4

      "You are a dirty Gollum, it is time to take a bath! Come back as a clean Smeagol!"
      - Eru Ilúvatar

    • @Xaeltus
      @Xaeltus Před 4 měsíci

      Bro this is way to funny

    • @democard1199
      @democard1199 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@ClonserHalphalive
      Eru is that bro with "lava is wet" mindset🗿🗿🗿🗿

  • @Charmedsas1
    @Charmedsas1 Před 2 lety +286

    Also the dwarfs. Even tho Aule created them, eru breathe life into them.

    • @mastermax2792
      @mastermax2792 Před rokem +25

      The dwarves that Aule created were more like automatons they weren’t really life like at all, this is actually a theme in all of Tolkien’s work no Valar can create life they can only alter it as only Eru can create life. That’s why Melkor didn’t create orcs he instead kidnapped elves and disfigured them into orcs, the ents are also the same Yavanna helped create them but only by the permission of Manwe and consequently Eru could they have life, this just adds more depth to LOTR that I really enjoy.

    • @Charmedsas1
      @Charmedsas1 Před rokem +7

      @@mastermax2792 I know that. The question was "the time Eru intervened"?

    • @gensischronicles1148
      @gensischronicles1148 Před rokem +2

      Well he did that for every living thing didn't he?

    • @Noah_McCurry
      @Noah_McCurry Před rokem +2

      @@Charmedsas1 him giving life to the dwarves didn’t affect any already created races. The dwarves weren’t really a living part of the world so I don’t think that is what the question of intervening is referring to

    • @son_of_jambo2835
      @son_of_jambo2835 Před rokem +2

      Is this why the dwarves have black feet a bit like how the uruk have black boily skin

  • @slowshadow1
    @slowshadow1 Před rokem +287

    Eru didn't choose to be involved in Gollum's death but Gollum broke the promise of not attacking the Master. You see, in Tolkien's universe, words and promises have more power than weapons. We shall remember the curse of Isilidur upon the Death Armi which couldn't keep their promise to aid for Last Aliance. We shall not forget about Finrod who fought Morgoth with Music. If Eru truly had a made in the LotR is under the shape of Tom Bombardil and inspiration for bravery. Gandalf was sent back by Manwe to finish his work as he was the last of the Istari who could have aid against Sauron. And Gandalf was hope, for everyone...that was his greatest power...and guess what, Eru had hope for Melkor when he gave a chance to the world when first Music of Ainur was disrupted... Eru knew all the time what is about to come and filled all good hearts with hope. Manwe had hope for Melkor, Aule had hope for his creation, Erendil had hope when he sailed west, Beren had hope when he confronted Morgoth, Thingol had hope that Eol will be brave and accept his faith...and hundreds and hundreds of examples... Sam had hope when no one had anything left in their hearts.

    • @xMultiVG
      @xMultiVG Před rokem +22

      Yes Eru did, it is explicitly described that Eru pushed Gollum into mount doom.

    • @steverighetti1997
      @steverighetti1997 Před rokem +19

      Tolkien litteraly said eru intervened in gollum fall

    • @princesszelda8695
      @princesszelda8695 Před rokem +5

      And how the witch king was cursed not to die by the hands of a man. And so it was but not in the way the witch king thought it would be.

    • @WRVTHxvi
      @WRVTHxvi Před rokem +3

      You're arguing against Tolkien himself dawg 💀

    • @_im_stupid_
      @_im_stupid_ Před rokem +5

      Who knows lotr better: a random youtube commenter
      Or
      The literal fucking author of the series itself

  • @lodestar3984
    @lodestar3984 Před rokem +53

    Eru legit said, “Screw you flat-earthers”, then said to Gollum, “Let’s do some trolling”😂

  • @thebatmanofneo-gotham5667

    Gollum: Yes! My precious! It is mine!
    Eru Illuvatar: I don't think so, pal.

  • @abdouzemmouchi1443
    @abdouzemmouchi1443 Před rokem +84

    He also brought back Gandalf from the dead and transform him into Gandalf the white

  • @SpremeCalami
    @SpremeCalami Před 7 měsíci +5

    Also he brought together the council of Elrond. A common misconception (thanks to the movie changing what Tolkien’s original story stated) is that Elrond summoned each of the characters but in fact, all the right people to create the perfect team necessary for the task were there at the same time due to “chance”. Clearly not just chance though

  • @BD_Purser
    @BD_Purser Před rokem +52

    He was the only one SUPPOSED TO create live. But he did not create the Dwarfs. He did however adopt them under the condition they would awake after the Elves. This is part of the reasons the two racses were always at odds.

    • @slowshadow1
      @slowshadow1 Před rokem +11

      Nope...the conflict between dwarfs and elfs goes back to Nargotron and Nauglamir.... you will find more details by reading Silmarillion

    • @Karrottopp411
      @Karrottopp411 Před 8 měsíci

      Aule did not create life tho he created the dwarves

  • @kingdave7996
    @kingdave7996 Před rokem +32

    I knew about Numenor’s destruction but Eru making gollum trip would never be known if it wasn’t for his letters. It’s good to know that evil would have won if not for God “accidentally” putting his foot out to trip someone, in a metaphorical sense.

    • @user-il2gy2rq5x
      @user-il2gy2rq5x Před rokem +9

      Evil was doomed to collapse even if Eru didn't push Gollum to the lava
      If Sauron had gotten the ring and enslaved middle earth, then the Valar would be obligated to middle earth to destroy Sauron's forces but with devastating consequences to all landscape of middle earth (and beings living there)

  • @nilan3294
    @nilan3294 Před 9 měsíci +5

    Also the Seventh Age starts with Iluvatar's incarnation into the world of Arda as Jesus Christ

  • @joeylockie
    @joeylockie Před rokem +26

    It's suggested that he intervened a few more times through dreams or whispers

  • @darthmmc7660
    @darthmmc7660 Před 2 lety +41

    Wow, I had no idea about the latter

    • @bomcstoots1
      @bomcstoots1 Před rokem +5

      Well yeah. Ladders have been around a long time.

    • @jmad318
      @jmad318 Před rokem +5

      This escalated quickly

    • @drdre4397
      @drdre4397 Před 8 měsíci +1

      ​@@jmad318this whole conversation rung a few bells.

  • @ameliawarfield5637
    @ameliawarfield5637 Před rokem +4

    As a Tolkien books fan, this is a very informative video.

  • @theankotze1292
    @theankotze1292 Před rokem +8

    You also forgot illuvatar sinking both beleriand and numenor beneath the sea

    • @creativenamesmth
      @creativenamesmth Před rokem +2

      He mentiond numenor and it was the war against morgoth making beleriand sink

    • @slowshadow1
      @slowshadow1 Před rokem

      Beleriand was sunk by Ainur's intervention at the end of first Age in War of Wrath . The forces involved were so great that the shape of the Arda was changed.

  • @Nibelheim1989
    @Nibelheim1989 Před rokem +5

    Never liked the idea that Eru made Gollum slip, it takes away from the ending, for me.

    • @danielmitchell671
      @danielmitchell671 Před rokem +2

      as someone else has stated in the comments, saying he made gollum trip is a hugely simplistic way of putting it. It wasnt so much that gollum tripped it was more that gollum played an intergral part of getting the ring there and also in the end attacking frodo (his master) after he promised to protect. So it was a series of events that ultimately led to the rings demise, with the trip at the end being just one of them

  • @samueltheweber
    @samueltheweber Před rokem +2

    Illuvitar (to Gollum): I am sorry, Little One. yeet.

  • @askgodalmightyfortheholysp4797

    Ask God almighty for the Holy Spirit

  • @ErenisRanitos
    @ErenisRanitos Před 7 měsíci +1

    Eru was like “😂 bruh Sauron’s gonna be PISSED”

  • @risenfallacy3197
    @risenfallacy3197 Před rokem +5

    Didnt Eru also directly revive Gandalf after the Balrog?

  • @mahmoodhassansyed
    @mahmoodhassansyed Před rokem +4

    Morgoth literally had direction interaction with eru. And he was the strongest being after eru.

  • @obsidian00
    @obsidian00 Před rokem

    The Lore is just so DEEP!!! 😮

  • @pinkfloppyass
    @pinkfloppyass Před rokem +4

    All these gods from different religions creating or making massive miracles, meanwhile Illuvatar "gonna make this little troll trip for the lols lmao"

  • @hailcthulhu419
    @hailcthulhu419 Před rokem +4

    Three notable exceptions. It was Eru who sent Gandalf back after he fell.

  • @PastelJackal
    @PastelJackal Před 8 měsíci

    Eru *snickering* this is gonna be so funny *in spirit from puts foot out tripping gollum, but looks over seeing gollum burn* ooooo ouch

  • @Illumiinarian
    @Illumiinarian Před 2 lety +5

    That’s pretty cool

  • @Salv2137
    @Salv2137 Před 5 měsíci

    Changes entire shape of the world as well as physics that govern it.
    Makes floor slippery.

  • @Crow15891
    @Crow15891 Před rokem +1

    Dam Gollum had it so rough even as a kid I felt bad for him

    • @gunnydunny
      @gunnydunny Před 9 měsíci +1

      He def did not, his greedy ass killed one of his best friends, manipulated frodo, and kicked out my boy sam, just to bite frodos hand off and get his ass plunged into fire, good riddance tbh

  • @LOTR_FAN
    @LOTR_FAN Před 19 dny

    No fictional character can beat morgoth in his prime except eru that just shows you how strong eru is

  • @holydarkness6007
    @holydarkness6007 Před rokem +7

    Ok so I have not read the books.. but in the movies they show the the king taking ring to the volcano but did not throw the ring at the last moment but instead was twisted by it’s power. why didn’t ERU intervene then and make that king “trip”?

    • @JGirDesu
      @JGirDesu Před rokem +1

      Because reasons

    • @mistermurder1632
      @mistermurder1632 Před rokem +3

      We could have not gotten the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin would have been irrelevant. No 17 Oscar wins. No May it be, Gollum Song and Into the west. And lastly, I would not be able to reply to your comment, just because....

    • @ShatteredIce
      @ShatteredIce Před rokem +8

      Because Elrond and Isildur never actually made it all the way into Mount Doom in the books.

    • @holydarkness6007
      @holydarkness6007 Před rokem +1

      @@ShatteredIce ahh ok that makes since

    • @claudius_drusus_
      @claudius_drusus_ Před rokem +3

      Because that's not what happened in the books. Isildur didn't go to the volcano. Elrond told Isildur to destroy the ring but Isildur decided to keep it.

  • @user-pq1cl3oe5w
    @user-pq1cl3oe5w Před rokem

    You should also make a video on Atum Amun KHNUM Ptah and Ra and Horus

  • @CE77777
    @CE77777 Před 11 dny

    So basically Illuvitars that one guy in group work that just puts the last piece on top of the project at the end & takes all the credit 🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @-hackzzz-7282
    @-hackzzz-7282 Před 9 měsíci

    Dude what I’m such a Tolkien nerd how have I never heard he made gollum trip

  • @keshavrohilla2029
    @keshavrohilla2029 Před rokem +2

    Jai shree ram 🚩🚩🚩

  • @zachhaus8488
    @zachhaus8488 Před 8 měsíci

    *if You do too much they expect everything, when you do to little they expect nothing "

  • @Darellbefree
    @Darellbefree Před 2 měsíci

    A major character was omitted from LOTR, Tom Bombadil.....

  • @lonewolf8102
    @lonewolf8102 Před rokem +1

    Don't forget about the Giant Chicken of Gondor that flies through space.

  • @spat9233
    @spat9233 Před rokem +1

    How arda got created: *the valar just sings and boom arda*

  • @antoinelambert938
    @antoinelambert938 Před rokem

    In lotr, Eru act 3 more times
    1 bringing Gandalf back
    2 boosting Theodem at pelenor
    3 boosting Sam on mount doom

  • @Vergil512
    @Vergil512 Před 7 měsíci +1

    And in both cases, sauron was directly screwed over by the true god 😂.
    1st time caused sauron to lose his body.
    2nd time actually killed/sealed sauron away forever.

  • @53yearsago56
    @53yearsago56 Před rokem +3

    And the fact that Eru gave life to stones(gnomes made by Aule, the smith valar), becoming the gnomes

  • @evol111
    @evol111 Před rokem +16

    Note to self place banana peel here!😅

  • @user-pq1cl3oe5w
    @user-pq1cl3oe5w Před rokem

    I do know I was present when the Lord of the rings movies were being made & were made I was present in Spirit form in those movies and in many others

  • @Marcos-ig3xf
    @Marcos-ig3xf Před rokem

    That's a wild story man..God is Almighty...

  • @samb.4084
    @samb.4084 Před 5 měsíci

    He also made it so everyone gathered together in the Council of elrond although this isn't like this in the movie

  • @702twhite
    @702twhite Před 6 měsíci

    That’s hilarious!
    1st time intervening: *Reshapes the entire Earth itself!*
    2nd time intervening: *Sticks foot out* … *Trip*😂

  • @kayjaylin
    @kayjaylin Před rokem +12

    Eru = epic banana peel 🍌

  • @valentinomiller6251
    @valentinomiller6251 Před 10 měsíci +1

    The planet is called "Arda". Middle-earth is just a section of the planet, a continent.

  • @naturalmystic5098
    @naturalmystic5098 Před 4 měsíci

    Where did it say in the books that he turned the Earth from flat to round?...

  • @falconmyst
    @falconmyst Před rokem

    QUESTION: I am writing a book, using M.E. as the background, during the 4th Age. A Remanat of the Elves remained behind to be teachers of Men and it turns into a Cult. QUESTION: May I use a few quotes from Eru, that the cult "twists" their interpretation of meaning for their own purposes? (Some people worship the Vala, and my elves worship Eru alone, but then late they themselves become for important.)

    • @herrdoctor2895
      @herrdoctor2895 Před rokem

      Well, the elves dont worship Eru as much, they worship the Valar and the wife of Manwe in particular so

  • @zakan4898
    @zakan4898 Před 8 měsíci

    Ok. The numer of the letter with info about intervention with gollum? I want to see it after it i have nk problem with this but for now for me it seems lame that eru decidet to intervine after all this horroble things just innthis moment and for me better is vision that the undeserving mercy for gollum the act of kiddnest was the reason that in mt doom the ring was destroyed and all this sacraffice and fught across the story was nessecery to achieve this moment and the little act of good of bilbo and then frodo was the reason for great evil to colapse.

  • @oshomatv11m80
    @oshomatv11m80 Před rokem +1

    I was wondering how can a rock in the heart of a volcano be slippery that'd make Gullom trip😆😆. So it was Eru all along

  • @dylanmonstrum1538
    @dylanmonstrum1538 Před 2 lety +11

    Lol couldnt Eru find 110,000,011 easier ways to destroy the ring?

    • @jasonschweigert8069
      @jasonschweigert8069 Před rokem +22

      Not really. He wanted middle earth to earn it's free will.

    • @leaveme3559
      @leaveme3559 Před rokem

      @@jasonschweigert8069 well who's gonna tell middle earth that eru intervened ?....they could just think they did it.....but in reality eru did it

    • @claudius_drusus_
      @claudius_drusus_ Před rokem +2

      @@leaveme3559 in middle earth free will is based off desire not based off ability

    • @James-en1ob
      @James-en1ob Před rokem +2

      @@leaveme3559 Eru isn’t disingenuous, Mr. me. He did what was good, and didn’t care if anyone knew.

  • @rhmcosta
    @rhmcosta Před 5 měsíci

    Sending back Gandalf too

  • @elijahfrancisrabor1388
    @elijahfrancisrabor1388 Před 11 měsíci

    Might as well add Bilbo finding the Ring

  • @hynixx
    @hynixx Před rokem

    Eru pushed gollum down.. didn’t know that!

  • @friccle_
    @friccle_ Před rokem

    Eru: eugh, oh lord the hell is that thing

  • @Tyler_W
    @Tyler_W Před rokem

    Tthere were a couple more instances of direct intervention, I think, but I believe that Eru did influence world events in more subtle ways without violating people's free will to make their own choices. Eru is basically the God of the Bible, after all.

    • @FrostDirt
      @FrostDirt Před rokem

      One notable case is the council of Elrond and Bilbo's journey to Erebor

  • @CJusticeHappen21
    @CJusticeHappen21 Před rokem

    Because he's a min-max entity, aka a Frugal God. Good will triumph over evil, barely. So long as Good wins out in the end, that's all that he wants. He's spending the least amount of effort for the most rewarding outcome. Unfortunately for us he really does perceive victory as a pure binary system, either we win or we lose. He has given us just enough to ensure that we win, the system continues, no more, no less.

  • @stealthimaster8583
    @stealthimaster8583 Před 7 měsíci

    Wait, didn't Iluvatar send Gandalf back, Id say that was pretty notable.

  • @hottboyw9648
    @hottboyw9648 Před rokem

    Nibiru is what everybody should be worried about

  • @gliderfs621
    @gliderfs621 Před rokem +2

    The Tolkien’s mythology is in fact the most christian lore in popular culture 😇

  • @gaemer3967
    @gaemer3967 Před 7 měsíci

    Acts of god:
    Transforming the world from flat to round, drowning countless.
    Making gollum trip.

  • @commietrucker4664
    @commietrucker4664 Před 11 měsíci

    Was it Illuvatar that sent Gandalf back after fighting the Balrog?

  • @kingmar4974
    @kingmar4974 Před 4 měsíci

    He also sent Gandalf the Grey back as Gandalf the white?

  • @kmgilani
    @kmgilani Před 4 měsíci

    He intervened to grant Aule his wish to have Dwarves as living beings.

  • @tomtripp5417
    @tomtripp5417 Před rokem

    Reckon God could turn time back or forwards?

  • @yoloswaggins1579
    @yoloswaggins1579 Před 8 měsíci

    The part about gollum slipping because of the God of the lotr universe is really Tolkien slipping up on his storytelling. Let's just pretend that part didn't happen.

  • @TheSiladhiel
    @TheSiladhiel Před rokem

    Iluvitar.
    Yes he directly intervened.
    And no the two times you listed are not the only times he intervened.
    In fact you could argue that thise tomes were part of his plan all along and thus not interventions.
    There is only one time we know iluvitar intervened when he had no reason to and it was unplanned.
    He granted life once more to bBeren and Luthien and allowed them to live out 1 normal mortal life together and die together when the king of the Valar was moved by their love, their struggle, their valor in their fight with Morgoth etc and beseeched Eru to take action. Eru was moved by this plea and intervened.

  • @peterseeganna8238
    @peterseeganna8238 Před 2 lety +6

    Even though Morgoth didn’t claim to serve Eru, all Morgoth did was to the glory of Eru’s creations. Morgoth was incapable of doing anything else.

    • @NoThatRyan
      @NoThatRyan Před 2 lety +4

      That's just wrong. Twisting and perverting the elves into orcs was a huge sleight by Morgoth against Eru. The elves were Iluvatar's favorite creation. He also helped Ungoliant destroy the Two Trees. I mean almost everything Morgoth did was an insult and an affront to Eru Iluvatar, including trying to sow discord in the music that would create the world.

    • @Loe_Jist
      @Loe_Jist Před 2 lety +2

      No, that's not what Morgoth did. He wanted to dominate the songs at the beginning of time and created harsh dissonances. His entire existence from then on was based on defiance and self-interest. He was unable to truly create life or a different world in the way that Eru Iluvatar could, but he wanted to corrupt and taint the world as much as possible in a way that bent it to his will.
      Although, since Eru Iluvatar is all-powerful and all-knowing and created Melkor, it's possible that he actually KNEW that Melkor would become such a defiant and destructive being. Maybe it was his intention all along. If that's the case then you'd be right.

    • @peterseeganna8238
      @peterseeganna8238 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Loe_Jist in the Ainulindale Eru says that nobody could alter the music in his despite. Any attempt to do so will prove to be a good and end up being an instrument to produce things more wonderful that had not been imagined. Morgoth claimed to not serve Eru and did all he could to destroy the work of his peers, but that was the path appointed to him by Eru.

    • @claudius_drusus_
      @claudius_drusus_ Před rokem

      @@peterseeganna8238 Eru didn't assign Melkor that path. Melkor was destined down that path but because of his free will.

    • @guneytopal1713
      @guneytopal1713 Před rokem

      Wouldn’t really say that personally. Melkor (aka Morgoth) was the first valor and the first creation of Eru. The first child in a way. He was the most intelligent and powerful being after Eru which is why he turned dark. Not because he was envious of Eru but because he couldn’t create life. So he reverted to twisting and manipulating Eru’s creations initially to create his own “life” and later to mock Eru out of frustration. I mean you can blame Eru for all that happens and that is probably why Eru doesn’t personally destroy or defeat Melkor as he either understands his frustration or believes that Melkor needs to go through this process and either embrace it or eventually accept it at some point. But as it stands on the existing lore Melkor doesn’t glorify but rather mock Eru’s creation which is all out of envy. Basically Eru makes him the most powerful being apart from him but refusing to give him power to create his own living beings. Aule created the dwarfs and also tried his best to bring them to life but failed so he would artificially animate them. Eventually Eru gave them life. Aule is the closest to Melkor in mind and philosophy which is perhaps why his Maiar like Sauron and Saruman defect to Melkor as they are taught to question more rather than do as told.

  • @sonofdionysis
    @sonofdionysis Před rokem

    Who are the gods who lobbed the gigantic rocks at each others in Misty Mountains?

  • @michaelingerslev4201
    @michaelingerslev4201 Před rokem

    U got the part about "the great plan" wrong, we are told that not all the Valar was Equals, one was clousest to "him", Melkor the mightist of the Valar ho know Erus plan best, and yet all he dos is evil?? But some where along the way this point is lost, more pruve that the Valar are the bad guys, just look at what they did for the elf and even drowfs, they startede 2 wars, but what for men?? Munemore? The Island just close enugh so the could smell the "god lands" but was forbidden to ever go... That part of this hole tail dos the Valar do "the right thing"??? ( and yet when they kill its for the greater good - Bull!!)

  • @charlesco7413
    @charlesco7413 Před rokem

    So with Golum Eru bumps the pool table? He tilted the pinball game? He rigged the roulette wheel? He marked the cards? Wtf? He is not all good and perfect?

  • @hectorlumbagoCringe
    @hectorlumbagoCringe Před rokem

    Hey why’d you take that guys voice

  • @wokeupinapanic
    @wokeupinapanic Před rokem +1

    I thought he also sent Gandalf back and made him the white wizard 🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @TGMS77
    @TGMS77 Před rokem

    But how did He intervene with the drowning of the realm when the world became round?

  • @raynarksatriawibowo6688
    @raynarksatriawibowo6688 Před 5 měsíci

    Isn't he also the one who resurrect Gandalf?

  • @Unpluggedx89
    @Unpluggedx89 Před rokem

    He also sent Gandalf back as well

  • @eppomilidsetit6293
    @eppomilidsetit6293 Před rokem

    Now i feel bad for Gollum after knowing this😅

  • @agamernamedjoe
    @agamernamedjoe Před 5 měsíci

    My name is byf is that you?

  • @adamstannard7934
    @adamstannard7934 Před 2 měsíci

    Tom bombadil is erus master and eru doesnt even know it

  • @G-M3NeliTE10
    @G-M3NeliTE10 Před rokem

    Tolkien did noy use the term "God" but instead "creator" because he was a devout Catholic

  • @hunterashwill-ng4ew
    @hunterashwill-ng4ew Před 8 měsíci

    He also sent Gandalf back from the dead, and now he’s Gandalf the white.

  • @Scp_god
    @Scp_god Před 7 měsíci

    He gave the Dwarves true life to right

  • @SK4M_Freal
    @SK4M_Freal Před 11 měsíci

    All that power and all he did was trip up our poor Gollum. OP or what??🤣🤦🏽‍♂🤦🏽‍♂🤦🏽‍♂

  • @strongsuccessfulweeb1400

    We should probably count Bilbo finding the Ring.

    • @robegatt
      @robegatt Před rokem +1

      That is one of The Ring powers: change owner at its own will.

    • @strongsuccessfulweeb1400
      @strongsuccessfulweeb1400 Před rokem

      @@robegatt that is true but it's heavily implied many many times that God was involved with Bilbo finding the Ring.

  • @rzone9546
    @rzone9546 Před rokem +10

    the real God of middle earth is JRR Tolkein. For he is outside the spine of the book, the matrix. In it he created all characters and life, landscapes, realms and dimensions for his pleasure. Frodo can never behold his face, for he exist outside the framework, and for Frodo to behold him would be for Tolkein to behold himself.

    • @ryancruz1876
      @ryancruz1876 Před 11 měsíci +2

      Tolkien would reject this. The God of Middle-earth is the God of Catholicism, not Tolkien. Tolkien is only a sub-creator.

  • @cosmicwire6356
    @cosmicwire6356 Před 8 měsíci

    Wait I thought morgott only lost due to divine intervention

  • @cindyledbetter2228
    @cindyledbetter2228 Před rokem +1

    This is very sad and heartbreaking to me that from the comments, people know more about a fantasy story than they know about God and His Holy Words in the Bible. It's God Almighty Jehovah/Yahweh that is the most important being in all creation. It is His Holy Spirit that guides us and God's Son Christ Jesus/Yeshua that took our punishment for our sins, shed His blood that washes away our sins. Please repent, accept Christ as your Savior, pray for God's Holy Spirit to guide you, and read God's Word so you will be on the path that will lead you to Heaven. Everything you do should start with love ❤️. The love of God will lead you to the truth of God. Peace be with you all. 🙏🏽🙏🙏🏾💕❤️🕊️🕊️🕊️😇😇

    • @againstthestones
      @againstthestones Před rokem

      Nah, your shitty god couldn't even make Hitler slip into a volcano. Nobody's gonna buy that cheap crap.

    • @adamkoxxl
      @adamkoxxl Před rokem

      How do you know your book isn't a fantasy one but another is?

    • @cindyledbetter2228
      @cindyledbetter2228 Před rokem

      @@adamkoxxl Because God Almighty talks to me and takes care of me

    • @adamkoxxl
      @adamkoxxl Před rokem

      @@cindyledbetter2228 sure

  • @gamingwithumi514
    @gamingwithumi514 Před 2 lety +3

    He made Golldom trip
    But how come Golldom when I wached the movie he tripped on a rock

  • @tiredredneck8159
    @tiredredneck8159 Před rokem +1

    Eru ilvultar

  • @morgoth4959
    @morgoth4959 Před 6 měsíci

    That's not quite true, aule was also able to create life, that's how the dwarves came into being

  • @ninten90z70
    @ninten90z70 Před rokem

    First I thought Tolkien was a boring writer and now I think he's a bad writer. 'Oh, by the way, the good guys only won because of divine intervention that could have resolved all the bad from the get go'.

    • @herrdoctor2895
      @herrdoctor2895 Před rokem +3

      Bruh, if Eru keeps intervening, would anyone continue to read at that point? "Oh no, Morgoth and Ungoliant is destroying the Two Trees, oh hey Eru fucking deletes them from existance"
      "Oh no, Sauron is continuing to do- oh never fucking mind, Eru also deleted him from existance"

  • @stevenwiens881
    @stevenwiens881 Před 7 měsíci

    Eru brought Gandalf back

  • @BlackElon1
    @BlackElon1 Před rokem

    didn't he resurrect Gandalf too tho

  • @user-pq1cl3oe5w
    @user-pq1cl3oe5w Před rokem

    I know I can create life with my spirit I don't know about you though lol me & Eru Iluvatar created the universe I may be an Ainur from the religion of Eru but I do know I'm certainly an Aeon called Bythios(profound)similar to the god of the abyss reality Bythos(depth)

  • @williamnone
    @williamnone Před rokem

    Wow.