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Sweden and Finland are about to join NATO. The war in Ukraine has put an end to decades of neutrality in these two countries: especially Finland. Finland endured a Russian invasion in 1939: since then, it has maintained a neutral stance towards its eastern neighbor.
All this has changed in 2022. The entry of Finland and Sweden into NATO would be a huge blow to Russia's strategy. The Kremlin would lose all control of the Baltic Sea: its only access to the Atlantic Ocean. This means a loss of deterrent power. The question now is, what can Russia do to prevent Finland and Sweden from joining NATO? What are the obstacles to the entry of these two countries into the Alliance? In this video we tell you.
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It's not about the kurds nor the f35, it's about cashing in on the crisis. It's about the options of pipeline from caucasus and central asia countries into the med sea. The bigger the crisis the more turkey as an option appears.
Make a video about Germany being a dick. Not giving Ukraine heavy weaponry.
14:45 "Membos"
This CZcams channel has done more than 20 videos on Russia since January 2022.
@@FlamingBasketballClub considering the state of current geopolitics, are you surprised?
When after the war of 1939 the border between the Soviet Union and Finland was redrawn, it turned out that the new border run right across a Finnish farmer's farm. He was given a choice: to be in Finland or in the Soviet Union. I prefer to be in Finland, he said. Why, asked the Soviet representative. Because Russian winters are so harsh, replied the farmer.
LOL
It is a story, maybe credible but I will say not. The finns received 72 hours to retreat population and materials.
It is true that Finland attacked Soviets with Germans in 1942 during Barbarossa but Soviets not conquered them in revange?
@@maasa3162 Partly true. I mean the bit that Finland was in cahoots with Germany in 1941, but there was a reason: The Winter War in 1939-1940, during which Soviet Union was friendly with Nazi Germany and attacked Finland. Actions and consequences.... And yes, Soviet Union did not conquer Finland, because in the end of the Winter War Stalin was afraid that Allied forces could come to rescue Finland and after the second phase (continuation War. as we call it) Stalin was in a hurry to be in Berlin before the Allied. In a way "saved by the bell"... Anyway, Finland had to pay huge war reparations (and it did, being the only nation who accomplished that), had to say no to Marshall aid and had to be friends with Soviet Union. Using diplomacy it did not loose the independence but had limited foreign policy space until the end of Soviet Union.
@@maasa3162 this is for You:
czcams.com/video/XO6-nuk0UhA/video.html
Finland and Sweden Joins NATO, Russia: no big deal
Ukraine applies to join EU, Russia: NATO is at our doorstep invades Crimea
Yes, Crimea is only warm water port beside the northern port that water freeze over the seasonal.
@@kaboomwinn4026 but the Black Sea exit to the Med is controlled by Turkey anyway, so Russia is just playing warships in a large saltwater lake with little strategic importance.
Because Russia can't do anything to the more military advanced Finland and Sweden. Ukraine is their best bet, but still failing
Majority crimea used Russia etnic, why EU not care abot that?
@@voltaireid ethnic Russians are also fighting against the Russian Invasion.
And go improve your grammar before commenting
The Soviets lost because they tried to take all of Asia in the beginning of the game. Every good Risk player knows that you always start in South America or Australia
Is that because these regions have abundance of wealth and are mostly peaceful..
@@paulfri1569 it is because Australia is only accessible through Papua New Guinea and South America is only accessible through Brazil and Colombia making them easy to defend
@@thepeff now I see why 😉 Also explains why Red China want to build a new city from scratch in PNG near the Torres strait..
@@thepeff I bet the Red Chinese play risk alot
@@thepeff For real, China is playing hard in South America and Africa. They want to control the chain of food of the world, more a lot of others resources. Who controls this two regions, will dominate the world.
Russia shot itself. It thought it could conquer Ukraine. Instead, it encouraged Finland and Sweden to be NATO 🇵🇱🤝🇫🇮🇸🇪
Russia is acting like a gay bully. "Play with me or else you're nazis!!!!1111one"
Look Putin really doesn’t care about nato he knows they won’t invade Russia . What he does want is to restore the Soviet Union and he will at this rate. Crimea and Donbas will effectively be part of Russia again within a few years . This author bought puti a head fake . Yes he won’t conquer all of Ukraine but he still obviously will have won. Yes nato ends up expanded but so has Russia.
Yeah Putin's not the smartest guy
@@johnwhite2576 If he's really that thinking, then he will have to invade Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia, which were formerly parts of the Soviet Union, to complete the empire rebuilding. But I don't think Putin's understanding of "USSR" simply ended there - he demanded NATO to withdraw membership given to Eastern European members since 1997, which means he wants more than the lost USSR - he wanted to retake the rest of Eastern Europe and Balkans.
Sweden will not be able to join while they fund the Kurds
Finland has the similar shelter laws as Sweden "By law, builders are obliged to include shelters in blocks measuring 3,000 cubic metres (110,000 cu ft) or more. In the late 1980s, in Helsinki, 536,000 spaces were provided, of which 118,000 were in large rock shelters and 14,000 were in subway stations."
For those interested in finnish shelters
czcams.com/video/4c8fepchRwY/video.html
We've been sleeping with one eye open for a long time now...
That is wiat you gest hem you Liverpool im fear amd you are afraided of beeing invaded and bombed.
Fun facts?
Russians are totally in love with Finland. They also have deep envy of the Finns. They have a very high standard of living and are well educated and play ice hockey better than Russians. 😁😁⛸⛸🏒🏒🤍💙🤍
How deep the brainwashing goes...
So true and I would add Respect.
I think Finland and Sweden will be fine and join NATO very soon. On the other hand, it's just sad that Ukraine has to go through all these sufferings to have a right to join EU and NATO.
Yeah I feel the same. I believe NATO should of been hawkish for Ukraine to join, rebuild dmz up until Russia learns it CANNOT bully / annex sovereign territories thru brutal war intimidation .
Yeah, like NATO is a humanitarian organization that we all have a right to be members to...😂😂😂
"it's just sad"; yes, trust and acceptance are the costs for its corruption that the Ukraine never regarded as consequential over its past 31 years, so now they pay in suffering and we (the west) pay sanctimoniously.
Putin is after the oil fields in Ukraine 1 in Donbass,1 in Crimea and 1 in the west in the Carpathians near Lviv.
Ukraine seem to me that you’re getting the worst end of the deal their democratic nation do you want to join NATO for many many years. He was told they give out their nuclear weapons I will consider them a better kept them I don’t think Putin would do for them?
If Russia only knew how to play nice, it wouldn't have any trouble with its borders. But it doesn't.
Because Russia is led by a fascist dictator and a criminal gang.
If Russia played nice, they would be the US lapdog.
Before the Krimea annexation and trade embargo Russia was nice busines partner. Adolf Hitler taught that he was working for Germanys national interest. End result ?.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd OJ James don't insult your own intelligence.
@@JamesSmith-ix5jd Lol Russia has the economy of a mid Size US State. Yet Russia think they can bully countries. NATO is the only economic solution and you all get mad when countries join because in 5 years economically they will be better off then Russia.
I have to say, one country in particular that's really impressed me is Poland. It seems like they're always there to offer support. They seem like really kind people.
Except that Poland and Hungary are the only authoritarian states in the EU, at least in part. Their governments need to go, especially Hungary which has ties to russian fascists.
@@DISCO-munication look at China compared to Poland. Calling Poland "authoritarian" is rediculous.
@@nightshadehelis9821 Well it is about it. Still we are in same side as Poland. They want money but dont wont to pay for price to get that extra money.
@@TheXmabax And Sweden now pays the price. There is near war in Swedish suburbs, migrant crime gangs roaming on streets killing, looting, burning cars and even fighting police. Ukrainian refugees are mostly women and children. Syrian refugees were young men on their 20s (abandoning their families).
@@kimmoj2570 ^ immigration has became a huge problem here
I searched the news in Hungarian, and that's what I found: the hungarian foreign minister (Peter Szijjarto) we support the open door politics in the NATO, but we must be aware of Turkeys sensitivity. So Hungary is not against the NATO membership of Finland and Sweden. I hope so. As a Hungarian i would be ashamed.
Yes, I was thinking same. I didn't recall Hungary opposed us in anytime with this. Croatia's president did opposed but their PM corrected him.
You should be ashamed given your exception from Russian oil embargo. Obertan and Putin bbfs
Orban won't upset his idol Putin!! LOL
good - my mom would be pleased- and so am I
I'm sorry, but your last name "Kucska" made me laugh 😂 (Kučka = bitch in Serbian)
11:45 Russia cutting off gas supply to Finland isn't really a problem since in 2021, less then 10 % of Finland's energy came from Russian gas. The slight decrease will raise the energy prices up a little bit but not nearly enough that it will affect daily life.
Well , now Finland buys Russian gas through Europe and other intermediaries . But Finnish politicians will not tell their voters about this
Gas supply isnt a main issue.Finland in Russias nuclear gunsights is.
@@buckmaster5552 You think Finland hasn't already been in Russia's (nuclear and other) gunsights? NATO is the best bet to make them think more than twice about doing something very stupid.
@@creativeandaliveat65 My point is that there was no need for Finland to be a target for Russia when they were not part of NATO.That would change if Finland actually does become a Nato member. Another point is that Nato is no protection from Russia due to the overwhelming military might but simply means they have to aim their nukes at Finland as well
@@buckmaster5552 Russia is like an old drunkard, and war is like his booze. There'll always be a reason to dip in a little more. Grandiose and lacking all means of introspection, he will hopefully pass out after constant, excessive indulgence. There's no point reasoning with a senile psychotic. One can only hope he doesn't take us all out, while busying with his own self destruction.
They aren’t terrified. Their reaction is rather mild because Finland wasn’t even nearly on the top of their invasion plans. That’s the main problem they have with NATO. NATO is no direct threat to Russia but it sure hurts their empire building.
Yes they are. Their naval and airbases in Murmansk are only 100 miles from Finnish border....NATO can kill Russian Northern Navy and Strategic Air Force. Look at a map.
not to mention allowing nato to cut russia off from the baltic sea
Have you seen Finland's location on the map?
@@jaimepatena7372 NATO Kill Russian Northern Navy and Russia kills the world, it's bad deal
Look at a road map, and see the large Russian naval port just to the north and see how easily that ONLY road can be taken out by Finish special forces.
Dear Josh, VisualPolitik is innacurate at some points, exceptionally.
1. In 1939, Communist Soviet Union and Nazi Germany were official allies (until 1941), thus the Winter War didn't start with the pretext of "denazification". At the time Commies and Nazis held even common military parades in occupied Poland, divided between the two agressors. The Soviet propaganda poster is of a later date, after Hitler and Stalin broke up in 1941. Back in 1939 they signed the Hitler-Stalin or Molotov-Ribbentrop pact which enabled to partition Poland, the Baltics, Bessarabia and Finland between the 2 regimes.
The official reason of the Russian invasion against Finland was that Finland is 'too close to Leningrad'. Stalin sent an ultimatum demanding that Finland cede Ladoga Karelia and some northern territories. Finland rejected, Russia attacked.
2. Vast majority of Karelians and Finns were deported, relocated or killed during Soviet and Russian occupation. Today, in the so-called Republic of Karelia (part of the Russian Federation) you find just 5-6% Karelians, 30-40.000 thousand people at best, in remote areas, constantly declining in numbers. Those who can, relocate to Finland.
Thank you for pointing all of those facts out. People conveniently ignore that Stalin's Soviet Union was a psudo-Axis member up until Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa. And almost everyone on BOTH sides were content to continue that amicable and VERY profitable relationship. It was purely "Der Furher's" ego that sank the alliance of the Hammer and Sickle with the Swastika.
@@davidford3115 you're welcome, mate. And thx for adding more interesting details.
@Swarmpope just look up the fate of the Crimea tartars. And with Russias takeover over Crimea, they suffer again
before that France Britain and Germany divided Czehoslovakia
@Swarmpope British and french genocide of Americas and Africans you remember that?
My dads had to leave there home village, Metsäpirtti in Karelia. The village was close and they lost their home the 6th of december, 1939. Which is ironic was Finland National Day. Half of million of karelians fled to Finland and Sweden. My dads family was 11 children and my godfather was only 16. He still alive and he will be next year 100 years. The invasion of Ukraine gave him bad memories. 😔
My spouse's mothers father had his karelian parents home bombed by the soviets. After the war, my MiLs parents moved to Sweden.
My own paternal grandparents also cared for a Finnish child refugee during the war, and when my grandmother died in 2017, that lady sent a very beautiful flower wreath to the funeral but was too old and weak to come herself.
@@SonsOfLorgar I'm sorry for your loss. I meet one my karelian relatives in Sweden that's she was sadden that she never knew that she was a karelian. That and also sadden that she couldn't speak at least finnish.
My Grandfather (Tikka=> had been Chanced it Taitokari a litte bit Later) had The Roots from Karelia too in Suojärvi. His whole Family moved just before the Winterwar to imatra!
He had 7 Little Brothers (plus the 1 Brother who were Killed a very Young Age and 1Wresting Super Talent who were Killed in War)
Some of Them are still Living in Imnatra. My Pappa was like a Leader for their whole Family. The Youngest was 20 years Younger than my Pappa.
Simo Häyhä had been moved after War to Ruokolahti, Utula. My Grandfather (mother) Lived only 3km from Häyhä. They were brothers in Arms, The Farmers and Friends..My Parents has been the Summer Cottage from She Old Home's Lands about 200m from there. 1986 => Sausaari, Tuomaalan lahti about 500m from Using a boat in Opposite was Tuomaala, Häyhä.
@@SonsOfLorgar
My Grandfather, His 7 Little Brothers and Parents had been moved just before the Winterwar from Suojärvi to Imatra. Tikka => Taitokari later in imatra.
My Pappa Had been Cared the whole Family (he Youngest 20 Years Younger than Him)15 Years Old=>.
Some of My Pappa's Brothers are still a Alive.
Welcome to the NATO family Finland Sweden all the best and GB 🇫🇮🇸🇪🇮🇱
The organisation that doesn't now pretends to care for the principles of territorial integrity and sovereignty of states. However in 1999. when they invaded Yugoslavia they killed the International Law. Isn't it irony that Russia is using the same lame excuses that NATO used while invading Yugoslavia and separating a part of its territory for her.
Thanks buddy! Lets make the world a better and even safer place
What happened to Palestine
@The Lost One Ukraine isn't real
@@arawn1061 Palestine doesn't exist
I thought Croatia was having issues as well.
The other interesting thing was Russia put some advanced weapons on the border with Finland to intimidate them. So Finland brought in the farmers with tractors.
The issue with Croatia was their president voicing his opposition to Finland and Sweden joining and threatening to veto it. The reasons mostly have to do with Croatia's domestic politics. However, Croatia's president doesn't have the power to issue the veto, so he was just blowing hot air. That power lies with the Croatia's Foreign Affairs minister, who's appointed by the prime minister. The PM and the entire government have expressed their support for the expansion of NATO, so ultimately there are no real issues there.
Farmers with tractors class 🤣🤣
Only Finnish farmers are mostly forest and cattle farmers, skilled hunters and, all the men and some of the women among them have had more than a year of military training as conscripts.
They wouldn't need their tractors to yoink Russian tanks that end up on the wrong side of the border, they just repaint them and put them to use if the tanks are still working, otherwise they would have to repair the tanks first.
Finland would absolutely destroy Russia in a conventional war. I don't think Russian military would dare to try to fight them. Russia has demonstrably proven they are very weak and ineffective.
In 2022? 😂😂
@@FlamingBasketballClub Yep in 2022 or probably the next 20 years for certain.
@@akbeal LMAOOOOOO
In your dreams it is possible 🤣🤣🤣
What the hell are you on, Adam? Your comment was so far removed from reality that I laughed out loud. Except it is quite sad, really.
Russia really has messed up…big time…
They brought this on themselves.
Russia does what Russia does best. In our Finnish language it is even implied in the word itself. Most commonly in spoken Finnish "to mess up" is "ryssiä". The etymology of the word is the word "ryssä", a somewhat pejorative word for a Russian person.
The thing is Russia thinks that a Ukraine (with all of its territory) that fully turns to the west and joins NATO would be way worse for Russia. They think that Ukraine could be used to destabilize Russia. Especially in the Caucasus. So in a way Finland and Sweden joining NATO is the lesser of two evils for Russia. This justifies the invasion and the following consequences in Russian eyes.
@@rizka7945 😂
They did loose the 20th century, and now they will loose the 21.
NATO Expansion is one of the greatest things that have happened in 2022
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Could be the most dimwitted suggestion I have read this year. Why do you think we have this mess? Could it be that NATO promised "not to move an inch eastward" and has kept breaking that promise ever since?
@@chrism415 And Russia promised to not invaded Ukraine if they handed their nukes, and unlike the oral "promise" to stop expanding Nato eastwards, this one was a signed and formalised document.
@@II_II_II Sounds like it came off the back of a cornflake packet. I don't know if that is true, but I do recognize Na-ahzis and their 8 year long reign of terror, killing 14,000 innocent civilians in Eastern Ukraine, had to be stopped.. Evil is evil and no weasel words can change that.
Initial impression: Nobody ever fought the USSR harder than Finland.
Ukraine is getting up there :) Very brave ppl they are, thats why I support em fully
At last they lost 11% land🤣🤣🤣is that a fight for western fools🙀🙀🙀
Until Afghanistan, Chechnya and Ukraine???
@@ratbatnufftime2861 the Germans had a tough war too called the Second World War.
You mean when Finland lost 11% of it's territory and were paying reparations?
Ukraine already lost 20% of it's territory and it's getting bigger.
UPD: 08/08/2022 Ukraine already lost 27% of it's territory and it's getting bigger. Referendum is about to take place in Kherson and Zaporojie regions. Today citizens of Zaporojie region voted for referendum to unite with Russia.
Joining NATO will be a very good choice for Finland
Yes, it can drop its military budget down to 2%.
@@sticky59 To be honest, Finnish military budget is 1,92% of total gdp
who are you to say that?
@The Lost One ironic how ukraine joining the defensive alliance is the very reason why it is getting invaded by russia
@TuubChännel Irrelevant, ask any Swede or Finn what they prefer, be allied to America or invaded by Russia. Choice is very simple, Sweden and Finland has already followed NATO and America into Afghanistan and other theatres of war. This is nothing new.
It's the underwater sona network that detect subs, not radar. Even when surfaced subs are pretty hard to detect with Radar.
Nuclear subs also practically never surfaces.
They’re afraid because the Finns are incredible fighters and have historically kicked the Russians arses so many times already.
At 3:03 it a shame when Russian attack Finland But when Russian win some 10% Territory of Finland but Finland has to pay war reparations Russian because they lose? If Finland win then Russian could possibly pay war reparations? Similar to Russian attack Ukraine and force to pay for Aggression by seizing assets from Russia rich people.
nukes don't care about bravery.
@@kaboomwinn4026 It is considered as a moral victory for the Finns because they kept their independence (Stalin tried to get 100% and he even decided a new government to Finland, called "Terijoki" and his officers promised Finland to Stalin as a birthday gift)
@@kaboomwinn4026 The Baltics got the same offers from Stalin as Finland did. Question: Which countries were part of the Soviet Union and which weren't? Stalin's "Offers" to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland (tip. Just one country kept its independence because it didn't believe Stalin and it did fight)
@@kaboomwinn4026 It is the matter of viewpoint whether Finland won or lost the Winter War 1939-40 and the Continuation War 1941-44. There is the saying "you win some you lose some". Finland had to give up some territory in both wars = Finland lost.
Russia (USSR) had to give up its goal of putting the O.W. Kuusinen's communist puppet government in Helsinki in 1940. So Finland’s regime could not be changed = Russia lost.
In the summer 1944 Russian Army were intercepted along the line Vyborg Bay - Ihantala - Vuosalmi - Nietjärvi - Ilomantsi. Russian Divisions had become a spent force. Stalin did not allot more troops even though they were asked by the Commanding General Leonid Govorov. The minimum target had been Kymijoki river 200 km further in Finland. The final goal was occupation of Finland. None of these goals were achieved = Russia lost.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland share radar information. So NATO already has that information.
It’s a mutually beneficial protection arrangement for one party & the securing of the Northern Flank of the other party.
One side is protected by being under the Strategic Nuclear umbrella. The other side is protected by the deepest, the best armed, the most mobile, the best trained Arctic Warfare armies in the world. It’s a marriage made in heaven. 👍🏻
This is much nicer pace instead of your other videos where narration was outrageously sped up.
Love the Caspian Report call out. Great channel for geopolitical analysis.
It is a sad state of affairs when countries have to join a military alliance just because of an aggressive unpredictable neighbor.
We got nothing to worried with our neighbours. Unpredictable comes with US leads Nato! Baltics at Nato i understand, because of their trauma at history. Finland is ok (how long anymore) due of stupid Marin government! almost 80 years in peace with Russia. Why to change the things. Corrupted comics UKR cannot be the reason. USAs wants to have opportunity to challenge our neighbour, by using our land for it!
@@jukkaharstela156 why to change? Bcs putin has lost his sanity completely..
Or would you like to go to war with russia again? After the Trauma it created for generations to come..
Or would you for real be happy to belong to putins (or someone similars) regime?
@@jukkaharstela156 then why is your leader shaking his nuclear missile fists at findland?
@@jukkaharstela156 wait no scratch that, I ment literally all of the NATO members (especially Ukraine probs)
I thought that was THE ONLY reason a country would decide to join a military alliance.
Russia: invade Ukraine so other countries would be scared to join NATO
Finland & Sweden: yeah, we're going to join NATO
Russia: *Surprise Pikachu face*
Do you really think America will risk new York, DC, or California for ukraine
@Augusto Pinochet what are they doing now?
@Augusto Pinochet they now have china india and Africa. Ps as soon as the war ends it will be business as usual with these currupt politicians
I wish Finland all the best. I hope that Ukraine will be able to become NATO member in a near future. NATO is the only alliance that stops ruscism!
Russian imperialism*
i would say Putin's stupidity instead of Russia itself (AFC parts of Russia support it but not whole nation)
That's if Ukraine doesn't fall
@@guzjose Slava Ukraini!
@@guzjose If Ukraine fall Russia will be neighboring Poland, Hungary, and many other NATO countries.
This is a strategic catsrophe for Russia the biggest I see are.
1. The Baltic becoming a NATO lake.
2. Kaliningrad is completely cut off.
3. NATO supply lines to the baltics and Ukraine are significantly shorter.
4. Reinforcement for the baltic states is far easier.
5. Border with Russia is significantly expanded and Russia will have to redistribute troops to police the area.
Russia has nothing to fear unless it attacks a NATO member. A NATO country wouldn't attack Russia and neither would the member states ban together for an attack. I doubt Russia is really terrified.
Well yeah it's just a political tool to unite the Russian people against a common enemy
at the very least the whole baltic sea is no under tight NATO control, the border with NATO doubled.
It is a serious set back for Russia “security” or at least their perception of it.
No NATO country is stupid enough to attack or invade Russia unprovoked. Not even the Germans. Russians would unite to defend their land like Ukraine. Not to mention nukes.
@@anteeko still, NATO doesn't want to hurt Russia. I would say even more - Americans would love to have Russia on their side in the potential conflict with China
You really don't understand how afraid Putin is of NATO.
As long as our Turkish "ally" approves, it will definitely be a big asset for NATO.
They won't. Those countries harbor the PKK. They will never get in not unless they arrest them and send them to turkey. Those sanctions against turkey backfired now didn't it🤣🤣
We can swop Turkey for Finland and Sweden instead
@@mastermariner490 no
@@mastermariner490 turkish straits are more important
@@mastermariner490 keeping russia out of the med
Makes sense. I went to school with a Finnish exchange student and he was hugely into metal.
Their traditional music is metal. Nightwish is from Finland.
Piercings?
It´´s the Darkness sweden and norway are into metal too.
@@robertplant6667 That's right, I had forgot that.
Great content, love ur clear and concise information without any verbosity,
The way I see it, there is only so much that Hungary and Turkey can do. If they cause too much trouble the member nations will simply create slightly less convenient arrangements to support Finland and Sweden.
Yes, Turkey has a very significant degree of leverage due to its geographic place. But it also has a rapidly imploding economy, thanks to Erdogan. It can't very well afford to neglect its own reputation and diplomatic respectability. If it becomes too stubborn it may easily come to face all kinds of small and not so small inconvenients or, at an extreme, be expelled from NATO entirely.
There isn't a measure for expulsion - and, as I understand it, that was deliberate (it'd weaken the guarantee if the alliance could respond to an Article 5 by simply expelling the nation that was attacked). There is a lot of speculation that Erdogan's true motive is to secure economic concessions that would help prop up the Turkish economy, though. And there certainly are other measures that could be taken to make stubborness... uncomfortable.
Turkey relies heavily on EU economics to survive. Even an unofficial embargo would topple what is left of their economy.
Any sanction to the turkey will bring war in europe.🇹🇷😁
Another Putin robot ZZZZZzz
If he gave up, he would definitly loose next election. He is already loosing, because of the economic and refugee crissis.. that would be last nail at his coffin. You people don't know and underestimate turkish peoples hate towards sweden because of this issue.
As far as I know (and I am Hungarian so I should know ) Hungary has not raised a single word about vetoing Sweden and Finland joining NATO, and I simply cannot see this happening. That is highly misleading mentioning this in the video without any basis. Poor framing. Don’t get me wrong, Orban has a not so secret love towards Putin and does unfortunately delay decision making in EU level, but nevertheless Hungary is also implementing all EU sanctions as agreed and is an active member of NATO (e.g. was fighting in US’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan). We have every right of being pissed of at Orban but recently some commentators are just going too far painting Hungary as a Belarus clone Russia ally, which is simply not true.
I agree. This NATO conversation is twisted unfairly to Hungary, because people don't like Orban or his politics. Fact is that only 1 country is against Nordics to join.
thats good to hear ,and yes true I havent heard anything serious in opposition (as to Finland or Sweden joining Nato )from Hungary ,from Orban , so thats good . and greetings , from Canada ..
@@puhistagramyes true, thats been Turkey, altho its pretty much about negotiations, I think,getting sanctions lifted, etc.
Then why do you leave Ukraine without real help and try to do things that damage our capabilities to fight against russia? As a Ukrainian, I am very interested what ordinary Hungarians think. If they heave problems with putin's friend Orban as well, then why did they give so many votes to his party?
I have been to Budapest and really liked it as well as local people. So for me that all seem very sad
szia from Finland :)
Finland and Ukraine are very different. You misrepresented the history and culture of Finland in the beginning of the vid. Finland is one of the Nordic countries, Western in nature and was never assimilated with Russia (autonomous grand duchy under Russia for a period but a part of Sweden 6 times longer before that and kept those laws during the Russian period) and never part of The Soviet Union, which Ukraine was. A small country fighting a big one is the same, though.
Sure but more so, Finns have a totally different ethnicity, language and culture.
You are absolutely right. That Soviet Ukraine that is 'current issue after covid' was three separate regions of Russian Empire on western fronteer. Btw there were two more Ukrainas in the Empire: one on the southern fronteer and another one on the far east.
@@aia1497 regarding language it's the same as in Karelia (part of Russia mentioned in the beginning) and they broadcast finnish Radio with no limitation.
You are absolutley right and thats the problem with this channel and their content. They do very little research into the topics they are discussing thats why their analysis and information in general lacks any depth further more there are many many mistakes and simplifications like the one you pointed out. It is a shame because I like the channel but it is unfortunate that they are so sloppy regarding information. I do not know but it seems to me that they are not motivated by good in depth research based analysis to inform and educate people on topics like geopolitics but are trying to push out as much content as possible in the shortest time as possible to get as much views/clicks as possible to maximise ad revenue. It is very much calculated that the cost of this process is the depth and value of the information they put out.
@@dickystrike6966 The thing about that is that the areas that were a part of Finland (Finnish Karelia) lost to the USSR were almost completely evacuated of their Finnish population, so there's just Russians there who are descendants of the settlers sent there to fill the empty land. The other Karelia in Russia (Republic of Karelia), which just so happens to include some of the lands Finland lost, has never been connected to a Finnish administrative entity. The area of Finland and the area of the Republic of Karelia have always historically been separated from each other by the Russo-Swedish border, the borders of the autonomous Grand Duchy of Finland and later independent Finland. And the languages aren't exactly the same, although the Northern (Viena) Karelian variety spoken in the northern half of the Republic of Karelia is very close to Finnish, particularly eastern Finnish dialects, but the other forms of Karelian spoken to the south are more divergent and far less similar.
In wars between Finland and Soviets, every single one of Finnish civilians evacuated voluntarily from areas that we were forced to abandon to enemy. Quite a rarity in wars. No Finn would ever live under Russian yoke.
Wow, glad this popped up in my recommendations. Thanks, algorithm. Nice.
As Fin, this was entertaining to watch how the rest of the world sees our situation.
As a Finn, I agree. It's like we are popular or something.
@@Redfizh A) You have the best education system on the planet.
B) you told your financial sector to go %***% itself when they claimed to be "too big to fail". And Finland survived just fine.
So, yeah. Y'all are popular.
Glad you're entertained; hopefully you'll get to partake actively
@@mcsmith732 Yes we have good education system. But we also have a government who punishes poor people by taking their money. Students, pensioners, unemployees... Like we don't have money issues already, then we have to read how government is cutting our incomes even more. AND companies want hire only cheap labor employees from foreign countries (refugees etc). So good luck trying to find a job and make more money.
@@LittleDfan Sounds like right-wingers and rabid capitalists got ahold of your government.
Perhaps I misunderstand, but it seems that Finland decided to bail out corporations instead of The People during the COVID shutdown. And then the government slapped The People with "austerity" measures afterwards?
As far as immigration goes, it sounds like that situation is being made worse by corporate policy in league with a government directed by capitalists instead of The People.
Which means that instead of The People going after the real culprits, those capitalists using corporate dominance to take over government and your country's economy, The People are encouraged to blame immigrants for their financial woes and let the capitalists and their government "friends" continue with their backdoor, dirty deeds.
That's a good way to end up in a fascist society, the which the U.S. is struggling with right now. Back in 2016, too many Americans fell in line with the big-mouth billionaire who said, "Only I can fix it."
So here we all are. A month away from becoming a neo-nazi, theocratic, Putin-loving, fascist state.
And one with no more Social Safety Net.
Norway is demanding a recount of metal bands per capita.
Don't worry, I'm sure Norway has Finland beaten in churches burned by metal bands.
@@Jahvec lol good one
CZcams channel Caspian Report and this channel are very complementary. Very happy I found both :-)
As latvian im happy that Finland and Sweden are going NATO. At first i didn't like that idea because of Russia threats. But fk Russia. They can't set the rules just because they got nuclear weapons.
i hope that Finland and Sweden get accepted very soon.
Turkey needs to be told to smarten up its act.
I would never trust Turkey under Erdogan.
Turkey has at least 2 valid points:
1) Sweden cannot provide infrastructure to terrorist organizations
2) Sweden and Finland can’t have a arms embargo on Turkey
Finland will easily negotiate something with Turkey. Sweden will have to do some serious thinking and then take serious actions.
@@alexfortin7209 1) Blatant Turkish propaganda. Is the US supporting terrorist in Syria? No they are not. Every Kurd with a gun is not a terrorist. But to Turkey they are.
2) Other NATO nations do, because how untrustworthy Turkey is. Does CAATSA ring any bells?
@@alexfortin7209 Sweden doesn't provide infrastructure to terrorist organizations...
Erdogan uses these terms because they are political opposition to him, as you can see no other country has said anything about this. Those organisations are banned in EU, and all member states are bound by law from it. Erdogan just wants them back to their country so he can kill or silence them. Why Turkey has not given even any "proof" that they support terrorism?
I'm sure that if proof of those kinds of actions exists, all of those "terrorists" would be prosecuted, and put to face consequences. So far Erdogan just want them to be quiet...
@@joona7556 Look up “Amineh Kakabaveh” and the entire mess will become clear.
True, Turkey needs a slap.
"Hayha" is actually written "Häyhä" in Finnish, but of course English doesn't have the a with dots letter, so this an understandable form. Also I wish people would stop using that picture of the guy with the mask on, that is not Häyhä. He nor anyone else in the Finnish army (at least to my knowledge) never wore a mask like that. That picture is from some movie or re-enactment thing if I remember correctly.
Pronanciation of A and Ä: A is pronaunced like in word ARMY. Ä is pronaunced like in word HAVE. Actually very simple.
love the deep info. thank you
Eagerly awaiting video on Finnish metal bands.
I welcome Sweden and Finland to nato.
Putin tried to devide us but instead United us.
They sought to weaken Ukraine but ended up strengthening them.
UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL.
stand together in peace and in war.
11:00 Also the nordic countries already have a mutual defence pact. So at the moment an attack against Finland would mean taking on all the nordics plus the UK. Russia can't deal with Ukraine much less some of the most advanced militaries on the planet.
Swedes are ready to die to the last Finn
You have some mental adjustments to make vis-a-vis news. Media is theater, it’s primary purpose is to sell advertising and pump propaganda.
@@chrism415 Ad hominem is the last resort of those with no real argument.
@@DaDunge hardly ad hominem to suggest mind-adjustments to a different reality. When you said, "...at the moment an attack against Finland would mean taking on all the nordics plus the UK. Russia can't deal with Ukraine..." - well, frankly, it just gave away how little you know. Hence the comment.
@@chrism415 It's very much ad hominem. Conisedering you don't attack my argument in any way thay may lead to a constructive dialogue.
Your review was very adequate from the swedish point of view.
You forgot to mention the reason why Finnland was in the NATO yet. Spoiler they basically were already….
Finnland and Schweden are in the European Union. The European Union swore to protect each other as well. They trained with NATO troops already
Are you seriously saying that the protection offered by being a NATO member is woefully inadequate compared to being a member of the EU?
Really?
@@northernhardcore.7899 No but do you really think that if Finnland gets attacked that US would not join the war. If Finnland gets attacked by Russia the entire European Union has to help. Most of EU is in NATO. After such a big mobilization of NATO members. The US would join the war and help defend its NATO friend defend the other EU member (which is in NATO).
Only reason this didn’t happen for Ukraine is because they obviously aren’t in EU.
I saw that coming from a mile away. Has soon as he mentioned Turkey I immediately thought of Greece. I lived in Cyprus for almost 2 years. Those that have visited, lived or are living there already know the Turks and Greeks DO NOT get along.
Very few European nations get along with Turks.
@@zjeee dont worry also very few asian nations get along with the turks or to be more precise with lunatic dr mustache erdögan
You gotta love art ads especially while this war is still going on 🤔
Hungary will support Finnish membership, there's no question about it. It's the Turks we have to negotiate with.
Here in Norway the government seem extremely confident in being able to manage Turkey. Finland and Sweden likewise. Nordic diplomatic power punches way above what our population number would suggest.
The Turks need the money
Yep, Orban has so far not said he would oppose Finland's (or Sweden's) membership. It's all made up by Finnish and western media. According to them, Orban is a bad man. Bad men do bad stuff. Opposing Finland's membership is bad. Conclusion: Orban is opposed to Finland's membership. :D
@@rizka7945 They you have Turkey, who wants the cash.
Hungary has ALREADY supported Finnish NATO membership.
Love your site
Russians cut the gas pipe to Finland actually because Finland doesn't want to change the agreement. Agreement says payment is in euro but Russia changed it illegally to ruble. Finns refuse to pay in ruble, so the gas stopped.
But so far it's not a big deal for Finland. And also for the future, agreements with Americans have been made for gas. More expensive, yes, but we are happy to pay Americans so it hurts Putin even more :D
Simon Hayha aka the white death is a sniper legend who probably buried more Russians than any other man
The color-changing light in the background is cool but you may not want it in the scene given how rapidly you do cuts.
The way Finland is described in this if it wasn't for the cold I would want to move there.
Finland always could punch above it weight and the Bolsheviks has depleted their top end military equipment to a serious extent. Finland could virtually cut off and isolate Russia's northern naval fleet by sabotaging the one and only supply access road.
What about the Secret tunnel which we never know? The Russian can say they have 1 train tracks. What if they cover the train track and can activate by opening a ground door to pops up the track or keep it underground
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW, maybe the sight of a mushroom cloud might change yo mind? Your not messing with a third world country hon.
@@luckisalady1 Russia would be signing their own death warrant by nuking any NATO country. They're stupid but they're not THAT stupid.
@@luckisalady1 Mushroom cloud works both ways, laugh that one up Ivan
Depleted? You need to understand what the difference is between a "special military operation: amd an all out war is 🤦♂️
We Know from star wars that Kerelia makes massive star ships.
Anyone else catch the Caspian Report shoutout?
To anyone unfamiliar, Caspian Report is THE standard for Geopolitics on CZcams
NATO members include Denmark, Norway and the UK. If NATO wanted to block russian trade out of Petersburg they would not need Finland or Sweden to do it.
From the Great Northern War of Peter the Great,Sweden and Finland had always been Russia's greatest concern in terms of accessing the most lucrative sea route to Europe and the rest of the world,the importance of which was seen when Peter the Great began building a new capital city on the coast of the sea route itself,losing this strategic access could be devastating for Russia,and if Turkey,Greece and Hungary could put their differences aside and decide to welcome the countries into NATO,the Geopolitical chess NATO and Russia are playing will come to an end
Russia will play hard with Turkey, they need them. If they can reach a agreement with Turkey, they can have access to his 2 main sea routes.
Russia isn't going to lose access to the sea if it plays nice. I'm not sure what the problem is for Russia unless it is planning to be a bully.
It started earlier than the Great Northern war.
@@itsJPhere Bingo. It IS planning to be a bully, because it IS a bully - Putin is, to be accurate. As long as Putin sits on the throne of Russia, he will never, ever stop his dreams of dominating the world. (yes, I mean the world, not just Europe or what-have-you.)
@J Lund Then going further back Russian Karelia and other parts was habitated by Finno-Ugric people but now they are minorities there. Some tribes went extinct and other more or less assimilated.
It's Russian mentality to grab from weaker what they built up rather than build something great themselves.
Turkey isn't in a fight against Kurds. Turkey fights specific Kurdish Groups, we have Kurds in our military that fight and give their lives in the fight against these terrorists themselfs. I'm not sure if you phrased it like that on porpuse but be more precise
What makes them terrorists specifically, and not just freedom fighters like how the Ukrainians are, what motivation do they have? I'm not familiar with the history of this conflict Turkey has with those groups.
@@itsJPhere Pkk exists since 80s and they did commit terrorist attacks within Turkey in civilian areas. The US and EU also recognize them as terrorist organization. The small group of Kurds in Sweden and Finland are accused of collaboration with those terrorist organization. They do lobbying in Finland and Sweden to finance PKK and that is why they have beef with Turkish government.
The money they send, the money from Finnish and Swedish tax payers is used to organize plots again Turkish government and people. The simple solution and the right thing to do is to expel them or stop their lobbying activity. But it would be seen as democracy bending to a dictator, so they would rather call Turkey troublemaker and Erdogan wants something else like embargos to be lifted or some F-35. And I genuinely think that Turkey will negotiate and agree on these terms because having modern equipment is much more important than PKK and whatever they are trying to do with Finnish and Swedish money.
But this just shows another dishonest side of the West's foreign politics. If Finland and Sweden did the right thing long before this conflict, Turkey may not have had an objection.
@@itsJPhere They want Free Kurdistan within Turkey and they dont mind using force to get it.
@@hydraulicamerica5755 That'd mean that almost any freedom fighter in history is now suddenly a terrorist. So eeeh..
@@itsJPhere They want independence from Turkey, that's enough to be designated a terrorist in Turkey.
Excuse me good sir! But Simo Hayha scored 505 confirmed SNIPER kills. He also killed more than another 200 Soviet soldiers with his machine gun. That more than 700 confirmed kills in just 100 days. 7 kills PER DAY on average. The man was a force of nature and he got to live a full life even after taking an exploding bullet to the jaw.
Greetings from Helsinki!
I bet that Finnish dog on a lead poster is from the continuation war rather than the winter war when the Finns were unquestionably allied to Nazi Germany so it makes sense. During the 1939 winter war mentioned in video it was the Russians themselves who were allied to Germany and pro Hitler so making inflammatory doggo posters like that would make no propaganda sense. It would go against the then party line. The portrayal of the poster here without full context is possibly more of a low resolution political manipulation than when it was originally used.
It is from 1940
This is the comment I expected to see repeated. It is an absurd detail to leave out. Anti-propaganda propaganda is still propaganda.
Fun fact: The Soviet Union lost about 500 000 men in short time and got 1500000 total casualties (The Winter War and The Continuation War). it's much more deaths than Russia had in Afganistan's, Chechnya's and the Ukraine's wars (ALL) combined.
Ah. It is lovely to have Finland being talked about all over our beloved CZcams! Suomi Finland Perkele!
7:16 that's one crazy distorted map. Almost looks as if you could see Stockholm from Helsinki.... you cannot!
Why won't they just let Turkey go. It's clear they not part of the team
Turkey is one of the most important members of NATO, how tf do you people not know this?
@@ArdaSReal How? It's like Russia, it's just numbers on a paper. Means nothing when things really hits the fan.
A country having to live through a decade long inflation spiral is a hollow shell. 70% inflation is no joke.
@@ArdaSReal Yes, but countries like Turkey woud not even allow to join NATO with it modern standards. Turkey is not a democracy as you can see. Erdogan is a dictator who cant be trusted.
You are right, Turkey is on the Russian team! Erdogan does what Putin tells him to do!
While Erdogan is no great friend of ours, and potentially a disaster (he seems to want to restore a Sunni caliphate with Turkey at its head), I think NATO is desperate to hold on to the Bosporus/Dardanelles naval chokepoint.
simple.... they cannot freely invade Finland without the whole NATO coming in to defend Finland
and that would take more time, weapon systems and ammo, and more casualty count...
a loss - loss situation for them....
that's of course if turkey allows them to join
@@stefanstruger9949 You are naive
@@erosgritti5171 i think u r naive, turkey has sweden by the balls
Regarding the Russian submarine fleet, a good chunk of it is stationed on the Arctic Ocean, not the Baltic. From Wikipedia, "Northern Fleet's main base is Severomorsk. There are six more naval bases at Polyarnyy, Olenya Bay, Gadzhiyevo (Yagelnaya/Sayda), Vidyayevo (Ura Bay and Ara Bay), Bolshaya Lopatka (Litsa Guba), and Gremikha." However, closing the Baltic Sea will affect maritime trade from western Russia to the rest of the world.
As underwater drone technology improves, and unmanned, under- water drones become smaller, cheaper, more capable, with better active sensor arrays and weapons,
current Russian subs will become
increasingly obsolete, like their tanks presently in the Ukraine war. What?
You don't think the west can manufacture underwater Stinger
and TOW missiles?
That camcorder on the shelf behind you, is that your first camera?
The problem is that the Russian people do not seem to have learned of their history. To understand that Putin is repeating history by accusing a neighboring country of being lead by Nazis as a pretense to invade.
I live in the Bahamas. We teach our children of our own country’s sordid history. We teach about the age of piracy. We teach of our role in the slave trade. We teach of the total genocide of the native people that originally lived here.
When a country refuses to sincerely teach history, when they try to pretend that they have never been “the bad guys”, you teach them that they can never BE the bad guys.
cough cough Republicans refusing to teach America’s history of slavery cough
Finland did ally with the NAZI's, the Soviet literally were fighting NAZI's in Finland.
@@ingramfry7179 The Soviets were allied with Nazi Germany when they invaded Finland in 1939. The only reason the Soviets changed sides was that Hitler's racism would not allow him to allow Slavs to continue to exist.
i find it hilarious you reference caspian report who pulls stuff out of thin air
CaspianReport that parrots Turkish propaganda.
Any SITUATION(s) that is a BLOW to mother Russia makes my day.
Would love to see a collab between VisualPolitik and CaspianReport :)
A G A I N S T joining NATO : 1) Joining NATO means to become as a target for Russia´s or China´s strategic nuclear missilles all the time in future, certainly not just untill Ukraine war would end. 2) USA may back off in case of nuclear war in Europe to save hundreds of their cities- than NATO would loose nuclear war in Europe. 3) USA would appreciate every new NATO land(Finland) to absorb some of Russia´s nukes, which otherwice would probably explode above USA´s cities in case of nuclear war between USA and Russia... 4) Finland managed alone in past, could manage in future. It is still far better option than to be incinereted instead of some USA´s cities one day...USA likes to be nuclear armed nation, on the other hand they can not defend themself against Russia´s nuclear forces, let alone to defend Europe against it! Finland would better to rely on Finish defensive means and not to mess with counting on USA and kind of stand up against nuclear superpowers like Russia and China to "fight" them one day... To "fight" them means - to absorb some of nukes which would otherwise explode above USA´cities very harmlessly for Finland.... 5) Joining NATO is the way how to assure the tottal destructin to Finland during a nuclear war between USA and Russia, or even between European NATO members and Russia... 6) If anybody thinks that USA is a morally "OK" NATO leader- kind of a "good guy" , than please try to google: "USA drone strikes" . You will find horrible crimes committed by USA on civilians including children in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen an other third world countries... 7) Pro NATO propaganda sounds like this: „No NATO country has ever been invaded. “ Russia has not been invaded either. It certainly does not prove, that NATO and Russia will not destroy each other one day without any invasion. 8) In case of nuclear war the destruction would be gruesome, but also very limited geographically to states involved. Joining NATO is possibly signing of a completely unnecesarry death sentence, since it is signing of being targeted by SATTAN II and more of similar machines of death instead of some USA´s mainland, which is warmly welcomed by USA.
With Finland and Sweden being part of the EU, the EU nations are supposed to respond and help defend both countries. Odd how people miss that.
Only the EU defense treaty isn't binding, it's just strongly suggested.
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That ad took forever.
Why did they say that Hungary does not support Finland and Sweden in NATO? any source for this claim?
Edit: I removed a claim I had mixed up from the comment.
Hungary expressed that they were positive to Finland and Sweden joining when Sweden asked them about it before applying. But then Turkey also said they were positive about it when asked earlier, so I guess people are a bit spooky about Hungary making a u-turn on their stance in this question
Prime minister (Viktor Orban) or president (Katalin Novak)? I read Hugarian news daily and it is often and openly discussed that Turkey might blocks it and what the different scenarios are, but I have never read that Hungary is also planning to. I mean Hungary has a strong interest in blocking the oil embargo and also has a historically bad diplomatic relationship with Ukraine (e.g.: Ukrainian language law) but I don't find any source that we plan to join Turkey in this effort.
@@xrambo Sorry, but i mixed things up completely. It’s the Croatian president who has spoken out against Finland and Sweden joining. There seems to be nothing pointing towards Hungary blocking their application right now
@@HerrGrainy np. and thanks for checking and answering!
I love how you stopped and quotation marked (in Russias) "democracy" 🤣
Shout out to Caspian Report and Shirvan !!
Admitted both countries as soon as possible and work out the details later. Also change the rule that one country and one country alone can block the access of new members.
Putin deserves a medal for expanding Nato and unifying Europe in a special way.
Now I understand what special operation stands for. In fact Putin is an European mole in Russia!
Ironically, he deserves a Nobel price for peace in Europe.
At this rare India will soon join Nato for future insurance cover as they enjoy cheap Russia oil and gas. Their oil comes at a future missile price. Ukraine is paying theirs at the moment.
Who supports my suggestion?
You also neglected to mention that Russia took control of what was, at that time, Finland's second largest city, Viipuri, and renamed it Vyborg.
You forgot to mention that Russia saved Finland from Sweden.. Russia has created an independent country Finland.. but Finns prefer to side with the Nazis - Hitler or the grandson of SS General Scholz..
@@rex30000 However, part of that deal meant that was that Finland became a Duchy of Russia. Which was then subjected to Russification by Czar Nicholas II, who tried to destroy their culture, eliminate their language, terminate their autonomy and subjugate them. In 1939 Finland tried to stay neutral, but that wasn't enough for the Soviet Union under Stalin. No, Russia tried to annex them in the Winter War, in their entirety. Gee, after having to fight to avoid being overrun by a hostile neighbor and being forced to cede about 10% of their country to the invader, I wonder why the Finns sided with the Germans? Must be a bunch of ingrates for wanting to get their lost territory back. Or were they just being avaricious and wanting the return of their second largest city from Russia?
@@nicholasconder4703 You say that Russia has torn Finland out of the clutches of Sweden, has given Finland the status of an Autonomous Duchy with its own parliament and universities.. And then Russia started destroying Finnish culture and autonomy? you are a mentally healthy person?
if it were not for Russia, Finland would NEVER have existed. The Swedes treated the Finns as second-class people..
In 1939, Finland began flirting with the German Nazis. The USSR realized that Finland could grant its territory to Hitler. The border with Finland passed through the suburbs of Leningrad (St. Petersburg).. it was extremely dangerous. The USSR offered Finland to move the border away from the city, and instead take another territory. Finland refused and there was a war, as a result of which the border moved away from St. Petersburg.
The Finns fought very well. The Finns were commanded by Lieutenant General of the Russian army Mannerheim.
@@rex30000 Conveniently overlooking the fact that Finland would very likely have remained neutral if Russia hadn't attacked it in 1939 and tried to occupy it, like they did the Baltic countries in 1939-1940. And by the way, you can look all of what I said in Wikipedia. And the vast majority of books not filled with pro-Soviet and pro-Russian propaganda.
@@nicholasconder4703 I don't care about your opinion.. I'm not even going to argue with you.. I'm used to Western racism, Russophobia, Nazism..
This is the way
Kinda crazy they just quoted Caspian Report without linking their video, especially since much of the content in this video is recycled from that channel
CaspianReport second latest video about Finland and Sweden is based. There was many pieces of misinformation about our nordic countries. For example Shirwan claimed that Finland supported YPG with 200 million euros. This is not true. Also Shirwan did not provide any sources to his claims that Finland supports terrorist organizations.
In order for the Russians to get out of the Baltic Sea, must go through Denmark. Finland is just another obstacle on the way but the choke point is Denmark.
Finland and Sweden makes the Baltic a NATO lake, not a contested water. Imagine Harpoons on all the shores, no Russian fleet is even leaving Skt. Petersburg.
@@PalleRasmussen Fleet, yes - they wouldn't stand a chance, completely agree. However, for submarines, depth and distance to each shore in the Gulf of Finland may allow them to sneak out. The pass-through points in Denmark are narrower and not quite as deep. But it will be secondary.
Yeah, the nuclear subs and such belong to the Northern Fleet anyway. What NATO Finland and Sweden would do is to effectively bottle the Baltic Fleet in port. Baltic states would be more defensible, and Kaliningrad more vulnerable. Quick attack to seize Gotland and Baltics would cease to be a very risky, but also high reward strategy, to Russian roulette with six bullets. This would effectively deter Russia from trying anything funny in this region, and while some day there may be détente, for now it's deterrence that will guarantee peace.
In Moscow they know, attacking us will be costly one. We have a long tradition of being in wars. From 1700 with Hakkapeliitta and so one. The country is armed up to the theeth.
That is why they are turning to Sweden.
WRT the embedded ad: CZcams has a position bar, and I know how to use it.
Very good analysis, thank you!
Because Finnland, a tiny country population wise, did more damage to Stalin than was ever thought possible at the time.
Russia thought they could occupy Finland in a week or 2.
It took months. Only reason why Finnland was beaten, was that they ran out of ammunition.
Finnlands best sniper had over 500 kills to his credit before being wounded by a shell.
Finns, then, and I'm sure now, learn from a young age, to hunt, tent and peg, to live with the land and off the land. Their survival skills would give any enemy a huge headache.
Just like Vlad the mad is having a nightmare right now over Ukraine.
Vlad may even win the war, but war boots is no good if your writ does not run.
The British army found that out the hard way in Ireland.
So what mainly is talked about is the Winter War but the same thing happened in Continuation War, after the Russian offensive against Finland and pushback of Germany started. Russia had A LOT of troops in the Finnish front and Stalin knew it would take A LOT more if he wanted to invade and hold Finland. He didn't have those troops and needed them against Germany so he accepted peace with Finland.
So Stalin faced twice a situation where he had to say to himself: "It will take more troops than i can spare, damn it...."
Russia exclusively didn’t fight Finland, it was the USSR that fought Finland. Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, Kazakhstan, etc. were all part of the USSR. so, the video is pretty much wrong
as i explained again and again, USSR does not equal Russia
Remember that the West has always been on the sights of the former USSR.
So Sweden and Finland joining NATO will never be a nightmare for Russia.
No, its like sand in gearbox.
There's a beautiful view on the harbour of Tallinn at 13'09". Just wondering whether somebody confused Tallinn with Helsinki.