"Yes-yes, we shot-fired the mortar and killed-obliterated the target" "Great-perfect, that means the dragon-things are not going to be a problem anymore" "Dragon-things?"
@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472Not to my knowledge, and those health bars moved when hit. As far as I know only the empire has a mortar that deals no friendly fire, which is a state troop
@@alexsitaras6508 I think he meant Soothson's Guns (Mortars) from Talabecland that have magical attacks and don't do friendly fire; unles CA changed anything recently, which I doubt
My campaign! Can't believe he did it, haha - i spent at least 6 hours on it. Wether it be Queek or Ikit, skaven gonna skaven haha (yeah idk why i sent it under Ikit either ;b)
I did improve a lot by watching LoTW, but im not sure id beat this. I had a similar battle as Wood Elves in a very weird forrest terrain map, playing as Wood Elves... i got Heroic Victory, and im sure it was one of the most legendary wins i ever had. Same skaven enemy as youre facing here.
I know I could never win a battle like this even if I had the theory of it, because there's simply no way I could practice this level of self-restraint.
@@nonesuch6833 oh but when you do its so satisfying. I once used two units of Empire Knights to defeat at least 6-7 units of skaven , which included warp grinders and a decent warlock lord.
I have a patiance, trained in souls like games when fighting a boss and wait for certain easy punish atack to occur. Or generally in boss fighs. I dont have a fraction of legend skill and knowledge. This guy is a moving total war wiki. Another thing is me who loves watching animations duels and enemies blown to pieces with magic and artillery and forgoting about other parts of the battle.
@@kapixniecapix3869Souls games are good patience teachers. I still remember beating Manus with a weapon that dealt 50~ damage two handed on hit to him. Took a while and prolly more deaths than most Souls run have combined.
Yeah, they changed the spellcasting from WH2. If I recall correctly, you only used to get revealed from missile spells. Now any casting reveals you. Sadly, no more stealth nuking the enemy army.
What I like to do to get more frontlining out of frontline units, its to not form them into walls or squares, but instead form them into long and narrow poles that are pointing towards the incoming enemies. This way often the enemy just clumps around the tip of that frontline unit, so less models in total are engaged. This means the frontline unit dies slower and as a side effect you get better sightlines and fire lines from the gun or archer units behind and less friendly fire. The pole shape also reduces the distance a frontline unit gets pushed back by the initial charge since their line is like 30 models deep (since the unit only stands 3-5 units wide). Forming a V shape with gunpowder or flamer units at the bottom of the V also works well since often flankers don't go around far enough for their flanking and get stuck on the 2 frontline units at the front/flank that are forming the bars of the V.
While I love seeing big scale fight with 3 armys on each side and see the chaos unfold, there is something nice about smaler scale battles. It feels like each unit matters more, when you only have a few of them
The only way I could see the second part going better is if you brought the dragons over to breath attack the mobbed infantry. 16:52 just looks so delicious... Delaying healing would have left the dragons pretty low at that point, but in hindsight the battle went on for long enough that there'd be plenty of time to heal them after the infantry routed.
That, and rear charge the slaves with dragon prince once the skaven melee infantry was routing archers, I think could have been possible. But I don't play on legendary, so it's easier to pull off this kind of stuff when you can pause.
@@arthanor9631 idk, I personally agree with him not doing that. It'd be pretty sketch to bring the cav into the fight at that point; it's the kinda thing that sounds great on paper, but then you try it, get stuck in melee , or caught by a hero, or whatever. Then suddenly half your cav is gone. Might just be b/c I'm a bad player though
@Uncertainty2 definitely not a foolproof maneuver, but if it works, it would definitely speed up things. But it's hard to argue with the results of phase 3, except maybe that dragons could have had a bit more health, so playing it safe was definitely a worthy choice, compared to getting dragons or cav involved and risking them to.. make the battle end quicker and not much else.
They really need to address dragon breath attacks. They should be able to target the ground, and they should spread out more on impact. They're already limited to a small number of uses, so make them more impactful.
Most players just simply aren't willing to put this much thought and effort into a difficult battle, and that's why they get stuck or frustrated and then re-load from an earlier save point, or start a different campaign. Legend is a Legend for a reason.
Note to the player: it is crucial to declare war on clan Mors as soon as they are about to defeat Karak Azul, you don't want to risk them to attack your home territory. After Drazoath and Rictus have been dealt with, they are the main enemy. Do not invade the mountains of Mourne, make a trade agreement with Greasus and force him to go to war with the chorfs.
Hey man, yeah i know Mors is always going to declare; but this campaign i was pretty unlucky with grimgor, greasus and kholek all declaring as soon as they saw Imrik. Imrik and my main army have pretty much conquered all the hills and he was on his way back to reinforce; so all in all it wouldn't have been a huge problem. I was just wondering if Legend could beat this battle and by god he did ;).
@@jvd7374 I see, if they discovered you it is because you went to the north too soon. The only benefit to go to the northern dark lands is the gems in Silver Pinnacle: not worth it. You want to go west: Karak 8 Peaks, Karaz a Karak, Deff Gorge. It dosn't seem like you confed any ulthuani factions, that may be the main reason of your low military power. Did you confederate Caledor? You will benefit greatly from that because you can immediatly sell that territory to Eataine for a military alliance; have trade agreements with all the high elves and then confederate them one by one. By turn 50 you can have both Tyrion, Alarielle and Eltharion. The latter grants you the power to build defences in your minor settlements in one turn. The next time you are going to start a Imrik campaign try the mod that swap his starting position with Kugath and send the Poxmakers to the chaos wastes: it is thematic for him to start in the Dragon Islands, you can fight Ghorst early to get his trait and have a trade agreement with Greasus and Zhao Ming sooner.
@@andyvanmuilekom7390 It is called Swissbob's True World Start positions - Imrik and Kugath Created by Porkenstein. He made several start positions mod
Legend borrowing Bretonian battle tactics „sac the plebs win with cav“ as well as playing the Skaven against each other with an elvish army, lovely indeed!
Funny how a silly unit almost nobody uses can be so problematic, especially for the dragons. Skavenslave slingers have a lot of models, are in very loose formation and even more loose when moving or disrupted, so just a pain to kill with single entities. Ridiculous how much trouble they were giving those poor dragons.
Damn another great video, I haven't had that much timet to watch in the last couple of months but I do really enjoy what I've seen. Really happy to see Historical content next to the Warhammer stuff and even seeing the return from streaming failry often. Also I guess I'm just a sucker for seeing multi staged battles with cavalry and other mobile units carrying the day. Where local superiority actually is the deciding factor in the battle, truly divide and conquer/defeat in detail in essence. It's just some of the best of MedII/Rome I combined with Wh best.
Above all else, I hate fighting Skaven. Not because they are the hardest faction to fight BUT they are most definitely the most annoying to fight in a battle and to deal with on the campaign map.
Through illegal pet trading. Its an insidious business, trading all kinds of endangered or dangerous animals like dragons, hydras, hyppogriffs, manticores, dropbears and such.
"Yes-yes, we shot-fired the mortar and killed-obliterated the target" "Great-perfect, that means the dragon-things are not going to be a problem anymore" "Dragon-things?"
Isn't the RoR mortar the one WITHOUT friendly fire? Looks to me like it did nothing. Legend seemed happy, tho.
@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472Not to my knowledge, and those health bars moved when hit.
As far as I know only the empire has a mortar that deals no friendly fire, which is a state troop
@@bjorn-falkoandreas9472The mortars direct hits still do friendly fire. You just can't inflict conditions like poison on friendly units anymore
@@alexsitaras6508 I think he meant Soothson's Guns (Mortars) from Talabecland that have magical attacks and don't do friendly fire; unles CA changed anything recently, which I doubt
Skaven-speak is best.
The Skaven legend proving again that Skaven's biggest enemy are the Skaven.
To defeat the rat, first you must become the rat.
It shows the Skaven superiority yes-yes... Knife eared elf thing cannot kill skaven like skaven can...
Lore accurate
Damned skaven, they ruined Skavenblight
to beat the rat, send a rat XD
Lol that life mage is literally an airport and those dragons are a couple of bomber planes resupplying and returning to battles
Star dragon going up 6 ranks in one battle. Well played legend.
*Opens Legend Video*
*Sees army only has like 16 units*
*Sees video time is 57 minutes*
*Leans back, ready to watch some wild shit*
My campaign! Can't believe he did it, haha - i spent at least 6 hours on it. Wether it be Queek or Ikit, skaven gonna skaven haha (yeah idk why i sent it under Ikit either ;b)
For what its worth I completely understand not being able to win this one
@@alexburgdorf419 that makes me feel alot better Alex ;)
I did improve a lot by watching LoTW, but im not sure id beat this. I had a similar battle as Wood Elves in a very weird forrest terrain map, playing as Wood Elves... i got Heroic Victory, and im sure it was one of the most legendary wins i ever had. Same skaven enemy as youre facing here.
legends patience is mindblowing, my god.
I know I could never win a battle like this even if I had the theory of it, because there's simply no way I could practice this level of self-restraint.
@@nonesuch6833 oh but when you do its so satisfying. I once used two units of Empire Knights to defeat at least 6-7 units of skaven , which included warp grinders and a decent warlock lord.
I could never have that amount of patience when it comes to battles like this. I'll try on my Grom campaign tonight after work, but no promises lol.
I have a patiance, trained in souls like games when fighting a boss and wait for certain easy punish atack to occur.
Or generally in boss fighs.
I dont have a fraction of legend skill and knowledge. This guy is a moving total war wiki.
Another thing is me who loves watching animations duels and enemies blown to pieces with magic and artillery and forgoting about other parts of the battle.
@@kapixniecapix3869Souls games are good patience teachers. I still remember beating Manus with a weapon that dealt 50~ damage two handed on hit to him. Took a while and prolly more deaths than most Souls run have combined.
you can smell cheese when you see a one hour video of legend fighting a disaster battle 😂😂😂
32:00
The AI knew long ago she was there, because every time she casts a spell, she gets revealed despite being in the forest.
Yeah, they changed the spellcasting from WH2. If I recall correctly, you only used to get revealed from missile spells. Now any casting reveals you.
Sadly, no more stealth nuking the enemy army.
haha "all those time grimgor got away" had me laughing
Dragons need a big raise for the 50 minutes of puking and hopping all around the map
Crazy how dragons get chevrons but not a pay increase. Wage justice for our Draconic brethren!
What I like to do to get more frontlining out of frontline units, its to not form them into walls or squares, but instead form them into long and narrow poles that are pointing towards the incoming enemies.
This way often the enemy just clumps around the tip of that frontline unit, so less models in total are engaged. This means the frontline unit dies slower and as a side effect you get better sightlines and fire lines from the gun or archer units behind and less friendly fire. The pole shape also reduces the distance a frontline unit gets pushed back by the initial charge since their line is like 30 models deep (since the unit only stands 3-5 units wide). Forming a V shape with gunpowder or flamer units at the bottom of the V also works well since often flankers don't go around far enough for their flanking and get stuck on the 2 frontline units at the front/flank that are forming the bars of the V.
“If the enemy is making a mistake, just let ‘em keep doing that” the words of Napoleon repurposed for a modern audience, courtesy of Legend
Tell me you have gas, without saying you have gas. "The winds flow through me"
It's always nice to have drive by heals from Repanse as she cosplays a High Elf caster lord. :)
Do you require magique?
For ZEE LAYDEE... the other elf one tho!
While I love seeing big scale fight with 3 armys on each side and see the chaos unfold, there is something nice about smaler scale battles. It feels like each unit matters more, when you only have a few of them
Yeah infantry did loads lmao 🤣
I saw an hour video and assumed I'd jump around. Au contraire, I was in for a master class.
One of the most fun to watch disaster battles in a while.
The only way I could see the second part going better is if you brought the dragons over to breath attack the mobbed infantry. 16:52 just looks so delicious...
Delaying healing would have left the dragons pretty low at that point, but in hindsight the battle went on for long enough that there'd be plenty of time to heal them after the infantry routed.
That, and rear charge the slaves with dragon prince once the skaven melee infantry was routing archers, I think could have been possible. But I don't play on legendary, so it's easier to pull off this kind of stuff when you can pause.
@@arthanor9631 idk, I personally agree with him not doing that. It'd be pretty sketch to bring the cav into the fight at that point; it's the kinda thing that sounds great on paper, but then you try it, get stuck in melee , or caught by a hero, or whatever. Then suddenly half your cav is gone.
Might just be b/c I'm a bad player though
@Uncertainty2 definitely not a foolproof maneuver, but if it works, it would definitely speed up things.
But it's hard to argue with the results of phase 3, except maybe that dragons could have had a bit more health, so playing it safe was definitely a worthy choice, compared to getting dragons or cav involved and risking them to.. make the battle end quicker and not much else.
so cool seeing your 3 stage plan pay off!!
They really need to address dragon breath attacks. They should be able to target the ground, and they should spread out more on impact. They're already limited to a small number of uses, so make them more impactful.
I think if you hold alt you can manually target it
@@Un_couth Really? I'll have to test that.
@@Un_couthThat's just for artillery. Breath attacks don't have that for some reason. Should absolutely be toggle-able.
@@ElijahBaley123 Bruhh, CA should really do something new with their engine.
Most players just simply aren't willing to put this much thought and effort into a difficult battle, and that's why they get stuck or frustrated and then re-load from an earlier save point, or start a different campaign. Legend is a Legend for a reason.
Great job legend that was a tough one, good plan well executed, GG 💪👌
Please do updated 'units you should always recruit' and 'units you should never recruit' videos. that would be awesome for 500k subscribers
Great work mate, this was a tough one. Also, that should have been a heroic victory hands down, those casualty numbers necessitated such as a minimum!
1. Harass Enemy
2. Get Our Ass Handed To Us
3. ???
4. Profit!
Im hyped to see what legend is doing in this video😂
One of the more interesting battles!
Let's face it, we're all here to see Legend laughing maniacally as he outskavens the skaven
35:21 MY FAVORITE LEGEND QUOTE APPEARS
Another epic fight.
Oi, got here before the notification went through. :D
Prefer seeing battles with high elves, not against high elves
same for me with dwarfs and generaly order factions
Dude was either panic typing or English isn’t his first language…..or he’s playing 4d chess and realize legend would say exactly what he typed.
1st time I’m seeing one of Imrik’s dragons get a feature in battle-All Hail Bruwor, Forest Dragon Extraordinaire
Dragon Mass changes helped a lot with this fight
Cavalrys main problem in this game is the maps being too small, not that cav is bad itself.
That and them always taking losses as they get stuck in like molasses. Cavalry cannot pull out in this game
Dragons, Dragon Princes, Elves, none of these are as big an enemy to the Skaven than the Skaven themselves.
Note to the player: it is crucial to declare war on clan Mors as soon as they are about to defeat Karak Azul, you don't want to risk them to attack your home territory. After Drazoath and Rictus have been dealt with, they are the main enemy.
Do not invade the mountains of Mourne, make a trade agreement with Greasus and force him to go to war with the chorfs.
Hey man, yeah i know Mors is always going to declare; but this campaign i was pretty unlucky with grimgor, greasus and kholek all declaring as soon as they saw Imrik. Imrik and my main army have pretty much conquered all the hills and he was on his way back to reinforce; so all in all it wouldn't have been a huge problem. I was just wondering if Legend could beat this battle and by god he did ;).
@@jvd7374 I see, if they discovered you it is because you went to the north too soon. The only benefit to go to the northern dark lands is the gems in Silver Pinnacle: not worth it. You want to go west: Karak 8 Peaks, Karaz a Karak, Deff Gorge.
It dosn't seem like you confed any ulthuani factions, that may be the main reason of your low military power. Did you confederate Caledor? You will benefit greatly from that because you can immediatly sell that territory to Eataine for a military alliance; have trade agreements with all the high elves and then confederate them one by one. By turn 50 you can have both Tyrion, Alarielle and Eltharion. The latter grants you the power to build defences in your minor settlements in one turn.
The next time you are going to start a Imrik campaign try the mod that swap his starting position with Kugath and send the Poxmakers to the chaos wastes: it is thematic for him to start in the Dragon Islands, you can fight Ghorst early to get his trait and have a trade agreement with Greasus and Zhao Ming sooner.
@@torquevonthorne948what is the mod called i might try this i liked the ja sabar start for him as well back in Warhammer 2
@@andyvanmuilekom7390 It is called Swissbob's True World Start positions - Imrik and Kugath
Created by Porkenstein. He made several start positions mod
At least Skaven wrecking their own army is lore friendly I guess!
Well played 👍
I see the Elves have Drag Princes but where are the Drag Queens and Kings? Oh wait never mind I see them in the Sla'anesh roster...
From this battle, the AI looks pretty competent.
Legend borrowing Bretonian battle tactics „sac the plebs win with cav“ as well as playing the Skaven against each other with an elvish army, lovely indeed!
I wish dragons were like 5x the speed and more dynamic, they're so cumbersome they look like they'd fall out the sky
New legend video, praise Slaanesh!
Dicks out for Legend?
Slaanesh? what the f are doing with the video? ._.
@@draconomega catch the next upload early enough and you'll see what I mean
(the spambots get rather interesting)
@@TehFishey OH
Yeah understandable have a nice day
you got to love to fight skaven when they play like this ahahaha
The reinforcing army showed up, bombed their own units and then left and let queek die, 100% lore accurate
How to wind Legend up - mix up the Skaven lords, especially with Ikit, yes-yes
A long one, been a while
One of the few times Calvary is useful and Legend prefer using them over the other units such as the archers
Ngl, I clicked like just for the old line, 35:20
He beat that Ikit army good 😂
Don`t understand why you didn`t use the cav when the infantry meele was happening to remove their missile troops. Should have made it easier.
it's usually much easier to notice these things when one is not playing and focusing on all the other stuff :D
Legend will you rank all of the legendary heros in WH3?
At first glance I can see an easy victory with alittle cheese but honestly a straight forward approach could work with the correct micro
how did those dragons not terrify a single slinger?
A comment to feed the algorithm deity.
Funny how a silly unit almost nobody uses can be so problematic, especially for the dragons. Skavenslave slingers have a lot of models, are in very loose formation and even more loose when moving or disrupted, so just a pain to kill with single entities. Ridiculous how much trouble they were giving those poor dragons.
This cheese is too pungent for these rat bois 🧀
The scalies vs the furrys
Ikit Headtaker.
Though fight
i would say u loose a grat oportunity to use dragon breath when they did come to archers
Damn another great video, I haven't had that much timet to watch in the last couple of months but I do really enjoy what I've seen. Really happy to see Historical content next to the Warhammer stuff and even seeing the return from streaming failry often.
Also I guess I'm just a sucker for seeing multi staged battles with cavalry and other mobile units carrying the day. Where local superiority actually is the deciding factor in the battle, truly divide and conquer/defeat in detail in essence. It's just some of the best of MedII/Rome I combined with Wh best.
All those people arguing kislevite warriors are OP should get a load of skavenslave slingers.
Above all else, I hate fighting Skaven. Not because they are the hardest faction to fight BUT they are most definitely the most annoying to fight in a battle and to deal with on the campaign map.
Cavalry still sucks no? 3 tier 4 dragon princes vs 1 unit of skavenslaves should take like 3 seconds on the charge
how did he get forest dragon
That is Imrik's legendary dragon.
Through illegal pet trading. Its an insidious business, trading all kinds of endangered or dangerous animals like dragons, hydras, hyppogriffs, manticores, dropbears and such.
@@vangorf3081you think Rakarth is bad? Just wait until you see what High Elves get up to
Imrik gets a shit ton of quest to get legendary dragons, They are pretty strong
You could have just used the mountain and the cavalry charge to win 30 min sooner
I unsubbed when the historic was being uploaded, WH3 back, im back.