@@averagejackarchery got a question for you im shooting 534 grains but its only got 9% foc broadhead is iron will its that gonna be fine or do I need to add about 15 grains to get more foc
I have been bowhunting since 1985. I will be 70 next month. This is my first year to saddle hunt. Your videos have been extremely helpful. I will watch this one numerous times. I have already seen numerous advantages to the saddle. It my age, I am tired of lugging a climber around. Keep up the good work and thank you!!
I am all about angles. It has taken me 2 years to learn what you have just taught in 20 mins. People go hunting with the intention of sitting for extended periods but get tired or restless, with this set up you really can stay comfortable for a long sit. Thanks for taking the time to educate.
Your teaching style, my friend, embraces the Chinese proverb: "Tell me and I will forget, . . . , involve me and I will learn." At 71 years of age entering my first season of SH, I have saturated my brain with a wide spectrum of videos. The timing of finding this video makes it the most valuable lesson that I was missing. I’ve learned from my limited practice that regardless of what I’ve learned about ascending/descending, ropes & knots, etc., it all becomes secondary to enjoying SH if you are not comfortable in your saddle. This demonstration is truly the missing piece for me. When they create " Saddle-Hunting Teacher of the Season," you have my vote. 🤗 I, as with the rest of your followers here, am seriously grateful for all of your videos.
I whole heartedly agree with you here. However, I think your quote was from Benjamin Franklin, "“Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” Maybe he stole it from the Chinese LOL.
It makes me so happy when I type something into youtube and Average Jack has a video on that topic. You and Jason from the Traditional Bowhunting and Wilderness Podcast are by far my favorite two youtube hunting channels. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you for explaining everything the way you did. I was ready to give up on my mantis, after watching your video, I made a couple adjustments & am completely comfortable now. Thanks again.
Thanks for such a detailed and informative video to breakdown all of the little adjustments that can be made and how they affect the comfort. I believe most of the people who try saddle hunting then quit do so because they haven’t taken the time in the stand to try these little suttle changes. It’s amazing how much a 2” adjustment here or there makes.
Outstanding video. Thank you. I have spent several hours in my saddle and you have summarized extremely well what I have experienced. You are a great teacher!
I just started the saddle this spring. I shoot well from it. I feel I’m too close to the tree bumping my bow. Thanks for this tip-I still have many questions. I will scroll through your other vids. I have a late archery tag. I got a blacktail last year. I knew the saddle is the ticket for a big one;)
Excellent video, your presentation was fantastic. You can tell that you’re a teacher because you were clear and concise probably one of the best videos on the saddle that I’ve seen yet. Keep the great content coming
I can confirm that the Mission platform has an angle adjustment and agree that a slight to moderate downward angle is ideal (imo). Also, the Cruzr saddles can also adjust along the bridge loops so the pressure moves to different points along your hips, back and legs. It is actually more adjustable than the Phantom because it uses AmSteel and prussic knots. Great information!
Awesome Video. I’m new to saddle hunting and have been struggling with comfort. Your tips should Help A LOT! I’ll try them out in the morning! Love your channel!
Coming from a engineers point of view, the higher the girth the less pull toward the tree you'll have, decreasing the stress on your legs or knees. You'll can always readjust your bridge so you won't have the upper pull.
I'm loving my 2 panel Latitude Method saddle. It clips together for walking in so it's out of the way, then when I climb up I can place the lower panel under my butt and the upper panel across my low back. Super nice to have that adjustability.
That was very helpful! I'm purchasing a saddle for this up coming season, and my biggest concern is hip pinch and comfort. Thanks so much for the information! Good luck this season.
Great video, I was having a problem with my binos interfering with my bridge.... now I realize I have had the tree tether too high and the saddle to high on my but.
My saddle order was filled and finally coming...hope to apply these tips and tricks practicing to find out what works best for me. Thanks for making this vlog...!
Good info. I tried saddle hunting last year for a bit. Was pretty uncomfortable. Good tips. May give it a go again next year. Didn't know so many adjustments could change so many things. Good info.
Thanks Jack. I found shooting from a saddle that with the wrong tether angle that it makes it very difficult @ the beginning of the draw cycle. U r right about the lean & the tether angle. I like my tether a little lower & I really like to lean back. I have always shot better & with my bow from a tree where u r bending from the waist. I'm thin & shooting on the ground with a high center of gravity makes me less steady. I'm not talking holding steady but from step 1 to step 5 of my progression. I've always used a tether attached to a waist belt cuz body harnesses give me pain. The belt goes halfway between my fanny pack & my armpits. However with the saddle it is much easier to sit relaxed for a longer time. Not to mention not having to lug around all that metal. Is your 2nd bridge & tether an Oplux tactical 1. I went that way & I wouldn't use anything else. There r specially made prusiks for the Oplux & I recommend those as well.
Thanks for all the tips and also the link for the video from the budget sportsman. I'm going to try the angle with my predator on my next sit. Thanks much!
There is no way I’d be comfortable being up 16’ on that little of a platform and no way I’d tie my lead to the tree that high because I like to sit from now and again. This dude is crazy I always want more room up in my tree stand.
Another awesome video! You are indeed great at explaining each subject, and I truly appreciate your advice. You have helped me numerous times, so thank you again for helping me become a more effective hunter 👍
Nate, that was probably the best explanation video, covering in-depth and educational (the teacher in you dropping the acute/obtuse terms) saddle positioning. You definitely gave me some things to think about and try. I too, change positions every once in awhile. Although I am a leaner mostly, I do like positioning my feet on the platform sideways to the tree and wedge my ankle/shin as my body swings to the side of the tree. BTW, are you still doing the podcast?
Thanks for the great comfort tips. I currently don't have a tree saddle or even a climbing tree stand, but I really want one for certain situations to get above the head height brush that the bruiser bucks I saw love to get into and bed, etc... I have been hunting from the ground for a while, but really got out more than I ever did and saw many deer including missing 3 does between 20-35 yards (first animals that I have ever drawn and released an arrow on), a really nice tall 8-10 point that came within 10 yards of me while on the ground, but I didn't draw since he never looked down or away. Plus other opportunities that I didn't draw on. But I believe that a tree saddle would provide better opportunities in certain situations and areas. I just don't have the $350-$550 sitting around for a really nice Tethrd system yet, especially with me getting married in August. Have you done a how to practice shooting all the shots out of a saddle video yet?
I’ve enjoyed all of your saddle content. So much so, that I’m going to get a phantom and play around with it throughout next spring/summer so I’m proficient by archery next fall. Greg in Happy Valley
Amstaff Just do it. Don't wait til next season. I promise you you are way safer than in a treestand! I double promise you you will absolutely love it! You won't be back in a treestand.
Thank you!!! One important safety question: How do you back up your Ropeman 1 on the tether? I strive to be part of the "1 is none; 2 is one" club. Thanks
Check out my full saddle hunting playlist! Have my setup in their multiple times and some of the adjustments I've made over the past two years. czcams.com/video/PEzxEYqlS5A/video.html&ab_channel=AverageJackArchery
Curious. I’m of a slim build and much prefer my tether to be as high as I can get it. Practically no hip pinch, far more ability to swing all the way around the tree and with the tethers angle being closer to parallel with the tree while sitting, it’s easier on the leg muscles as it mimics a sitting position in contrast to a “push off” position which requires much more muscle tension. Different strokes...
doesn't sitting up a tree get boring? I've never hunted from a tree stand/saddle. its not a thing here, well ive never heard of people doing this here in nz. here we go out and stalk them from the ground. its very hard, but fun and very rewarding when you get one. but i imagine hunting from a tree would be affective because i dont think the animals naturally look up.
I am getting too old to hunt in the local mountains like I used to. It seems like the mountains are steeper and taller than they used to be. In addition to that, hunting has changed and the places I used to hunt have become crowded. I was close to just giving up hunting and then discovered saddle hunting. This year I will not compete with hoards of people. I will find a quiet place back in the timber where I can sit quietly in the trees and keep watch over game trails, beaver ponds, or other peaceful locations. I plan to spend as much time in the trees as I can this spring and summer just to watch and photograph whatever comes along. When you are seventy years old, sitting quietly in the trees with the birds and squirrels is about as good as life gets...
Are you a righty or lefty? I find that switching your caribener to where the open gate is facing up. This does 2 things. I dont like when the gate of the caribener digs into the bark when i switch to sitting and it goes against the tree but more importantly your tag end for your tree tether is on the right side. So if you're a right handed shooter you can hold your bow in your left hand and have easier one hand adjustment with your right hand. Just a thought. Thanks for the video
I see now that your tag end is on your right side of the caribener. But if you would please explain the open gate facing the tree. I think you can adjust it to where it will be open gate facing up while still having tag end on the right. Im sure you just do what works for you im just curious because you seem to put a lot of reasoning into your ideas and setup
Depends on how I put my tether on the tree. I've ran it both ways without a hiccup. Being a screw lock carabiner you can have it either way without fear of opening. Depending on how a tree is leaning depends on which direction I girth hitch my tether.
Great video! What’s that device you’re using on your tether? I like prussik’s but hate having to use two hands to adjust and notice you do one handed adjustments
It's interesting that you're a teacher in real life. It shows! This is one of the best teaching channels on YT for hunting .
Thank you!
@@averagejackarchery got a question for you im shooting 534 grains but its only got 9% foc broadhead is iron will its that gonna be fine or do I need to add about 15 grains to get more foc
@@bobbycampbell175 Make sure the arrow is tuned correctly and you're just fine.
@@averagejackarchery yes sir hitting bulls eye at 80yrds
I have been bowhunting since 1985. I will be 70 next month. This is my first year to saddle hunt. Your videos have been extremely helpful. I will watch this one numerous times. I have already seen numerous advantages to the saddle. It my age, I am tired of lugging a climber around. Keep up the good work and thank you!!
Keep at it!!! Best of luck this season.
Damn my man. A lot of respect to you for saddle hunting at 70. It definitely takes a lot of practice to get it down. Happy hunting
I am all about angles. It has taken me 2 years to learn what you have just taught in 20 mins. People go hunting with the intention of sitting for extended periods but get tired or restless, with this set up you really can stay comfortable for a long sit. Thanks for taking the time to educate.
Your teaching style, my friend, embraces the Chinese proverb: "Tell me and I will forget, . . . , involve me and I will learn." At 71 years of age entering my first season of SH, I have saturated my brain with a wide spectrum of videos. The timing of finding this video makes it the most valuable lesson that I was missing. I’ve learned from my limited practice that regardless of what I’ve learned about ascending/descending, ropes & knots, etc., it all becomes secondary to enjoying SH if you are not comfortable in your saddle. This demonstration is truly the missing piece for me. When they create " Saddle-Hunting Teacher of the Season," you have my vote. 🤗 I, as with the rest of your followers here, am seriously grateful for all of your videos.
I whole heartedly agree with you here. However, I think your quote was from Benjamin Franklin, "“Tell me and I forget, teach me and I may remember, involve me and I learn.” Maybe he stole it from the Chinese LOL.
It makes me so happy when I type something into youtube and Average Jack has a video on that topic. You and Jason from the Traditional Bowhunting and Wilderness Podcast are by far my favorite two youtube hunting channels. Keep up the good work man.
Great job!! I'm brand new to saddle hunting for the 2023 up coming season. I have just learned a shit ton in this video thank you!!
Thank you for explaining everything the way you did. I was ready to give up on my mantis, after watching your video, I made a couple adjustments & am completely comfortable now. Thanks again.
That's awesome!!!
I've been "Sling" saddle hunting for over 25 years. Old dog just learned some new tricks!! Thanks man. You are a great teacher!!
dude you are a natural speaker, I watched until the end, huh. Thanks
Thanks for such a detailed and informative video to breakdown all of the little adjustments that can be made and how they affect the comfort. I believe most of the people who try saddle hunting then quit do so because they haven’t taken the time in the stand to try these little suttle changes. It’s amazing how much a 2” adjustment here or there makes.
Dude this is unbelievably informative and well delivered. You're like the Bill Nye of saddle hunting. Well done sir keep doing what you're doing
Excellent tutorial. Now I need to watch your climbing video to see if this is something I can use here in western Montana.
I'm a rookie saddle hunter and you answered all my questions regarding tether height. Thank you!
Outstanding video. Thank you. I have spent several hours in my saddle and you have summarized extremely well what I have experienced.
You are a great teacher!
I just started the saddle this spring. I shoot well from it. I feel I’m too close to the tree bumping my bow. Thanks for this tip-I still have many questions. I will scroll through your other vids. I have a late archery tag. I got a blacktail last year. I knew the saddle is the ticket for a big one;)
Your students are fortunate, another great descriptive video
Very articulate in explanation of the saddle!!! Thanks Jack
Excellent video, your presentation was fantastic. You can tell that you’re a teacher because you were clear and concise probably one of the best videos on the saddle that I’ve seen yet. Keep the great content coming
Real good advice ... It helped with my DIY saddle set up, just little adjustments makes quite a bit of difference.
I can confirm that the Mission platform has an angle adjustment and agree that a slight to moderate downward angle is ideal (imo). Also, the Cruzr saddles can also adjust along the bridge loops so the pressure moves to different points along your hips, back and legs. It is actually more adjustable than the Phantom because it uses AmSteel and prussic knots. Great information!
Keep up the Great work. I learned today what was causing my pinch points. Thank You
Awesome Video. I’m new to saddle hunting and have been struggling with comfort. Your tips should
Help A LOT! I’ll try them out in the morning!
Love your channel!
Thanks! I will try some of those tips this year, I normally seat for a long time so every tip will help 😊
Great video. I figured you were either a teacher or a chiropractor. I learned alot.
Coming from a engineers point of view, the higher the girth the less pull toward the tree you'll have, decreasing the stress on your legs or knees. You'll can always readjust your bridge so you won't have the upper pull.
Absolute perfect presentation. So much useful non biased information here. Nicely done!
This was a super informative video for someone just getting into the saddle game. Thanks for the detail and visual demos.
Very good teaching style. Appreciate the tips!
One of my favorite guys on CZcams. Why? Because you know how to explain. Thank you for this video..
Thanks, Mark!
I'm loving my 2 panel Latitude Method saddle. It clips together for walking in so it's out of the way, then when I climb up I can place the lower panel under my butt and the upper panel across my low back. Super nice to have that adjustability.
That was very helpful! I'm purchasing a saddle for this up coming season, and my biggest concern is hip pinch and comfort. Thanks so much for the information! Good luck this season.
Great video, I was having a problem with my binos interfering with my bridge.... now I realize I have had the tree tether too high and the saddle to high on my but.
Super helpful. I have a draw hunt coming up and folks mostly sit all day, all three days. Comfort is going to be key. Thanks!
i use a latitude saddle seems to be really good after trying others “saddle hunters give them a go you will liv it
Best video on saddle comfort 👌
thanks for the tips been doing my homework since season ended and gonna put together a setup
I tried for 1 1/2 seasons and gladly went back to light weight lock on. Comfort issues solved
My saddle order was filled and finally coming...hope to apply these tips and tricks practicing to find out what works best for me. Thanks for making this vlog...!
Same here. Got the Eberhart saddle coming. Looking forward to trying a new style of hunting.
Good info. I tried saddle hunting last year for a bit. Was pretty uncomfortable. Good tips. May give it a go again next year. Didn't know so many adjustments could change so many things. Good info.
Very helpful tips! This my 1st yr saddle hunting and I’m a bigger guy so I’m definitely still trying to find my comfort zone!
Thank you. Very helpful video.
But I've heard the word "backside" enough for the rest of the month now!
Thanks Jack. I found shooting from a saddle that with the wrong tether angle that it makes it very difficult @ the beginning of the draw cycle. U r right about the lean & the tether angle. I like my tether a little lower & I really like to lean back. I have always shot better & with my bow from a tree where u r bending from the waist. I'm thin & shooting on the ground with a high center of gravity makes me less steady. I'm not talking holding steady but from step 1 to step 5 of my progression. I've always used a tether attached to a waist belt cuz body harnesses give me pain. The belt goes halfway between my fanny pack & my armpits. However with the saddle it is much easier to sit relaxed for a longer time. Not to mention not having to lug around all that metal.
Is your 2nd bridge & tether an Oplux tactical 1. I went that way & I wouldn't use anything else. There r specially made prusiks for the Oplux & I recommend those as well.
Very very informative. Glad I ran into you at the Morrisdale TNT or I wouldn’t have found this video. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for all the tips and also the link for the video from the budget sportsman. I'm going to try the angle with my predator on my next sit. Thanks much!
This is the most intellectually stimulating hunting video in the history of the internet.
I appreciate you taking your time to go through all this awesome knowledge.
Best saddle video I’ve seen. Excellent teacher! Thanks for all the info
Glad it was helpful!
Great information, definitely helped me alleviate the comfort issues I was having!
Great information. I will follow some of your suggestions and see if it helps out my hip pinch this year.
There is no way I’d be comfortable being up 16’ on that little of a platform and no way I’d tie my lead to the tree that high because I like to sit from now and again. This dude is crazy I always want more room up in my tree stand.
Knee pads make a big difference it's quite comfortable once you adjust it right
Another awesome video! You are indeed great at explaining each subject, and I truly appreciate your advice. You have helped me numerous times, so thank you again for helping me become a more effective hunter 👍
Awesome video, the most informative I've seen yet great job this should help most anyone new to saddle hunting.
Excellent presentation ( and information) 😊
Glad it was helpful!
This is a fantastic video. Thank you for the information.
Great video. thanks for all the advise and great tips 👍👍
This is a terrific video and great explanation. Thanks for putting it out.
Lots of great insight! Thanks!
Great info Nate, thanks for this. I do very similar styles. After a few hours, def need to switch it up
awesome video, just got the same set uup as you, love that
Great tips, I' m gonna fine tune my setup lengths today
Super helpful. Thank you!
Very informative thanks for taking the time to do this I truly appreciate it
Thanks so much for the info. Really appreciate you posting this as I’m trying to learn about saddle hunting.
You bet, man! Glad I could help!
Excellent presentation with super tips
Nate, that was probably the best explanation video, covering in-depth and educational (the teacher in you dropping the acute/obtuse terms) saddle positioning. You definitely gave me some things to think about and try. I too, change positions every once in awhile. Although I am a leaner mostly, I do like positioning my feet on the platform sideways to the tree and wedge my ankle/shin as my body swings to the side of the tree. BTW, are you still doing the podcast?
Podcast is still out there, yes! I've just been lackadaisical with hunting and family dominating the free time with the occasional CZcams video.
Very well done. Nice.
Another great video, thank you!
Wow man fantastic job
Thanks for the great comfort tips. I currently don't have a tree saddle or even a climbing tree stand, but I really want one for certain situations to get above the head height brush that the bruiser bucks I saw love to get into and bed, etc... I have been hunting from the ground for a while, but really got out more than I ever did and saw many deer including missing 3 does between 20-35 yards (first animals that I have ever drawn and released an arrow on), a really nice tall 8-10 point that came within 10 yards of me while on the ground, but I didn't draw since he never looked down or away. Plus other opportunities that I didn't draw on. But I believe that a tree saddle would provide better opportunities in certain situations and areas.
I just don't have the $350-$550 sitting around for a really nice Tethrd system yet, especially with me getting married in August.
Have you done a how to practice shooting all the shots out of a saddle video yet?
Good vid. I learned a few things from this so much appreciated. Subscribed
Awesome, thank you!
I’ve enjoyed all of your saddle content. So much so, that I’m going to get a phantom and play around with it throughout next spring/summer so I’m proficient by archery next fall. Greg in Happy Valley
Amstaff Just do it. Don't wait til next season. I promise you you are way safer than in a treestand! I double promise you you will absolutely love it! You won't be back in a treestand.
Excellent video man. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks teach! Lol enjoyed the video , very engaging, thanks!
New subscriber here, I love your explanations! Thanks for making this video!
Thanks for subscribing! Glad you found this useful!
Great video!
Thank you!!! One important safety question: How do you back up your Ropeman 1 on the tether? I strive to be part of the "1 is none; 2 is one" club. Thanks
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing this video. This helped me SO much!!!! God bless
Great information thank you......
Great video
Dude! You saved my back!!!!
Awesome thank you for the information!
Good job
Great info! Thank you!
Loved your vid. Watched it twice. Could or do you have a vid on your saddle set up? I'm new to it and trying to get info on people rigs. Thanks.
Check out my full saddle hunting playlist! Have my setup in their multiple times and some of the adjustments I've made over the past two years. czcams.com/video/PEzxEYqlS5A/video.html&ab_channel=AverageJackArchery
Thanks!!!
Why do I feel like I’ve had you as a bow tech before at Lancaster!
Nope! Own my own shop in Philipsburg PA! Average Jack Archery you can't miss us!
great video
Forget painting it, stealth strip the entire thing!
Gotta have that right triangle
Some good nuggets in there.
Curious. I’m of a slim build and much prefer my tether to be as high as I can get it. Practically no hip pinch, far more ability to swing all the way around the tree and with the tethers angle being closer to parallel with the tree while sitting, it’s easier on the leg muscles as it mimics a sitting position in contrast to a “push off” position which requires much more muscle tension. Different strokes...
And that's why I say it's such a personal thing! Glad you found what works for you!
doesn't sitting up a tree get boring? I've never hunted from a tree stand/saddle. its not a thing here, well ive never heard of people doing this here in nz. here we go out and stalk them from the ground. its very hard, but fun and very rewarding when you get one. but i imagine hunting from a tree would be affective because i dont think the animals naturally look up.
I am getting too old to hunt in the local mountains like I used to. It seems like the mountains are steeper and taller than they used to be. In addition to that, hunting has changed and the places I used to hunt have become crowded. I was close to just giving up hunting and then discovered saddle hunting. This year I will not compete with hoards of people. I will find a quiet place back in the timber where I can sit quietly in the trees and keep watch over game trails, beaver ponds, or other peaceful locations. I plan to spend as much time in the trees as I can this spring and summer just to watch and photograph whatever comes along. When you are seventy years old, sitting quietly in the trees with the birds and squirrels is about as good as life gets...
Absolutely loved this...but wish we could see your footwork on the platform.
Check out my other saddle videos for a more in-depth look!
Awesome video!!
Curious what those 2 green knot looking things on your bridge are.. thanks again
Mini prusiks to attach a back band. At the time I didn't run it through the main carabiner like most folks do.
Are you a righty or lefty? I find that switching your caribener to where the open gate is facing up. This does 2 things. I dont like when the gate of the caribener digs into the bark when i switch to sitting and it goes against the tree but more importantly your tag end for your tree tether is on the right side. So if you're a right handed shooter you can hold your bow in your left hand and have easier one hand adjustment with your right hand. Just a thought. Thanks for the video
I see now that your tag end is on your right side of the caribener. But if you would please explain the open gate facing the tree. I think you can adjust it to where it will be open gate facing up while still having tag end on the right. Im sure you just do what works for you im just curious because you seem to put a lot of reasoning into your ideas and setup
Depends on how I put my tether on the tree. I've ran it both ways without a hiccup. Being a screw lock carabiner you can have it either way without fear of opening. Depending on how a tree is leaning depends on which direction I girth hitch my tether.
I’ve always wondered if they changed the design to be like a boy shorts boxer design would it be more comfortable
I also just recently heard of a guy near me who’s tether broke and he almost died so I’ll be keeping my lineman’s belt attached as well
Great video!
What’s that device you’re using on your tether? I like prussik’s but hate having to use two hands to adjust and notice you do one handed adjustments
That's a Wild Country Ropeman 1 mechanical ascender. Works great!
I was taught when i started saddle hunting never be on the low side always go on the high side.
That's because it's way easier to climb a tree and use your saddle on the high side
Great video buddy. Did you ever try the tethrd recliner. I just picked one up.
I do use a back band, yes! But one of my own DIY nature. 😁