Mr. Kinecht, I watch many wood working channels here on You Tube and I have learned a great deal. There is no channel that I have learned more from than this one, and there is no single person presenting material I trust more than you. Profound thanks for all of the guidance - and for making all of this seem accessible and attainable.
Certainly for repetitive cuts, but it might be pretty nice for times when you just want a perfect cut on even a small number of similar width cuts. Especially for plywood, where there isn't some large amount of spring in the stock.
This thing has been so overdue! I was thinking about an invention like this years ago, I thought how could literally nobody have thought about this before??? Finally, no more fingers lost!
Power Feeders have been around for decades, this is just a more shall we say, Modern tech model, Grizzly and Shop Fox both have a more old school version or basically the same design from its beginnings around the 1951, at first they were typically used for routers/Shapers. Currently going for about 400 bucks to well over a grand depending on the size you get, ranging from 1/8HP to 1HP, the 1HP version is a beast of a machine wicked heavy and would require a dedicated table saw, just so you don't have to move it and have one free table saw for breaking down plywood.
Thank you for this! I recently donated my 1/4 hp stock feeder to a nonprofit because it was too heavy, too awkward, and generally a complete pain to use in my shop where a feeder is not a full time item on the cabinet saw. I loved its function, but beyond that I hated just about everything about it. This type of unit would absolutely be a game changer.
Good idea for a chair bound woodworker, a friend I lost would've really benefited from a feeder like this. He did repetitive cuts making box turkey calls, but had to rely on friends when it came to table saw work. Nice intro to this, thanks!
this is the first time I see someone use a title like this and it being true! not just for the reasons you listed, but this is also a huge step towards automatizing table saws.
1 feature i like is the 2 wheels straddling the blade but thats about it. I've got the Grizzly baby feeder ($350) paired with the Magswitch kit for the base ($300) that allows me to put the feeder anywhere on the saw. The main feature missing is dust collection which is a problem with multiple cuts. I can get almost 100% removal with the Grizzly.
I have been looking at the grizzly myself, at $350 you must have to 1/8HP version. May I ask, how do you like it? what is the weight like? More importantly, what don't you like about it? how does it limit your work if at all? any information you can give will be a great help, as I am working on building my workshop for the physically and vertically challenged lol
I love this thing. It's a fairly simple package that incorporates a lot of deep ideas that seem to work well together. The electro magnet is a good universal design for any cast iron top. I'd like to see a T track version for anyone who has those as an option.
I'd like to see what it looks like after 500 cuts. All that shiny metal is going to be covered with sawdust and all those little intricate parts are going to be a challenge to keep working if they don't enclose it in sealed metal or plastic.
It may already do this, but my suggestion is safety interlock such that if the electromagnet isn't engaged that the feeder won't activate. Nice design!
Well, it reduces the risk, not sure it takes it away all together, you would need to keep the drive wheels clean and make sure you have sufficient clamping pressure on them ... but yes, the good news is it keeps fingers away from the blade
Glad to see everyone having a good time here! I am the inventor of it! Feel free to ask if you have any questions about its use, performance, or technical aspects! I'll respond as quickly as possible!
Hey, this seems excellent. Given how common the sawstop saws are, making sure the components around the blade are non-conductive would be a big help. I can't tell what everything is made of, but it looks like there's some aluminum there, which could trigger things if something wasn't setup perfectly
@@MrAjime Your observation is correct. It is made of 6061 aluminum alloy with precision CNC machining. As for compatibility with SawStop, there should be no issues because the part that comes into contact with the table is the surface of the two drive wheels, and the tire surface of the drive wheels is made of non-conductive PU material. Thank you very much.
hi Colin, Thank you once again for helping other woodworkers discover new ways of doing their craft. This is for sure a very worthy item in most tablesaw shops. Will check out the link. Thanks again. Happy 2024🎉
Colin looks like it's a useful tool, my table saw is a heavy plastic top and my router table is aluminum if they made it to attach some way it would be useful for those of use who don't have a cabinet table saw,
@@mikem1436 hi Mike yeah my table saw is a Ridgid also I did try to use a thin sheet of metal on top it threw my fence out that it wouldn't slide to make small adjustments, once I move to a new shop I am going to see about a cabinet table saw, Mike don't get me wrong the Ridgid is a good saw I need something that I can setup easily trying to make 45s can be a pain good luck
@@alanwasserman8176 I am in the sort of same boat as you. All my items have to be portable since I live in an apartment and move them around quite a bit. I will be retiring shortly and plan on building a workshop. Cabinet table saw is one of the first, if not the first, I get.
From the video I have several comments concerning this tool and its usefulness...First the positives...It is definitely more compact than my 1 hp. Powermatic 4 roller power feeder. It seems to be fairly easily adjustable and the samples you fed through were small and "ideal" boards for which it works great. Now for some not so positives...First not all woodshops have great dust collection. I have a dust collector on my saw but still end up with lots of dust all over. With all the exposed parts I would expect that machine to be covered in short order in my workshop. All of the exposed parts are also at risk of damage because I don't handle small boards. I have run over 10's of thousands of board feet through my saw because I size rough lumber which is not perfectly straight and also make shiplap using dado sets. Most of my wood starts out as 8', 10', or 12' lengths and anywhere from 1" x 16" to 2" x 12". I question whether this tool would survive the stress of such loads or potential damage from handling large boards some of which have hit my Powermatic in a way that would damage the auto cut. Also I don't see a single wheel working to feed consistently with rough lumber. I didn't see it having multiple feed speeds either where my Powermatic has 4 different speeds which really comes in handy with either very soft woods or hardwoods. For the record I am a hobbyist and not a professional as I have used my wood shop to produce over 100k board feet for a house I have built from scratch with lumber I have milled myself from the trees I have cut. For the small hobbyist this might be a great tool and the electromagnetic mount is a great idea. However I don't believe this is ready for more than a niche of the woodworking market.
I could really see a mag switch on the outrigger mount instead of a clamp. I'm sure you could make something that can solve that, lol. Great idea. I always thought I little duty setup would help alot of smaller operations out.
I think the clamp is ok, but I'd put a mark on the table where the outrigger goes, so you don't guess. Maybe a line scribed on the table where the magnetic one goes too? And maybe the clamp end can be one where there is something like a Destaco clamp? so just a lever out there? after all, it doesn't have as much torque out there.
That's a really cool idea. I find feeding manually is tricky to stay consistent, and end up with some cuts that are not always nice all the way through, this would make it easier to achieve that as it takes the human inconsistency out of the equation.
This looks awesome! Better than bulky power feeders. Would also be neat to see an extended wheel version for wider boards. Very cool! I cant believe how many negative comments are on this video. People can't just enjoy a useful interesting thing when they see it. Great work
For this to work for me I’d need the base to mount on both sides of the fence. Also, when mounted to the right of an Incra brand fence the base would need to straddle the fence’s aluminum shaft that is perpendicular to the fence. Also, wouldn’t spreading the magnets out to the front and back of the saw increase the leverage, perhaps eliminating the need for the outrigger? A remote stop/start and speed control may be helpful too especially when working with sheet goods, and finally options for shielding/dust collection?
I really like that and would try it in my shop and on my channel. The only thing I noticed is the back clamp area would possibly interfere with my crosscut table attached to my saw. But maybe not.
PretIt looks relatively simple, I like that. My first thought was that it could be useful for ripping thin strips from board to be used for molding or trim. For me that would probably be the primary use case. I'm also wondering if it can be put on the other side of the fence for cutting wide material?
I’ve been wondering that but the mounting brackets only seem on one side. Looks like the bars are high enough to clear the fence but only seems single direction. I have the Jessem TS guides. They seem to work well for holding plywood against the fence but don’t work well for narrow stock which this seems designed for. This also has the same issue on the router table where I could see wanting to mount behind the fence for door panels.
wow, I have wanted something like that for many years. Oh wait, kickstarter…. well it was a great idea anyway. Got burned a couple times on those. Thank you for the video.
Jessem has a tool sort of like this. It attaches to the fence. It can't give you quite as much clearance as this but otherwise it's similar. The main difference is the wheels are slightly angled, to keep the work piece snug up against the fence.
I have the Jessem. It’s a better solution for dealing with plywood. The idea of this is better for narrow stock. Looking more I think the Magswitch base with a standard feeder is a better solution overall since can be mounted on either side of the fence
The thing where the workpiece tipped up once it passed the first wheel worries me--seems like it'd be important to have one more wheel past the blade to keep the work against the table through the whole cut. And/or a full-length perfectly-parallel outfeed table. The saw still needs a splitter or riving knife--if there is tension that gets released by the cut, the blade can still grab it and the table saw motor is definitely stronger than the feeder motor. The feeder needs some kickback protection built into it, in the form of pawls perhaps?
With the number of repeat cuts we make daily this would really help our poor arthritic hands! Is the feed rate adjustable? Seems a little slow. Will definitely be checking out the kickstarter page!
I like this a lot. The big commercial feeders are heavy, need special mounting, take up a lot of room & don't easily allow for work space reconfiguration. They are also expensive. This addresses most of that. (It will probably not be cheap tho..) Two things worth mentioning: in addition to safety (which is huge), fatigue reduction & efficiency, powered feeders make smoother cuts with less saw marks and chance of burning because feed speed, pressure and angle is consistent. On the negative side, this looks like it won't feed bigger stock and has limited utility on sheet material vs normal feeders.
I've used a power feeder since the 70's on table saws and shapers. Albeit, they were much larger and required bolting into position. This smaller magnetic version could save tons of setup time. Warning: once you go power-feeder it's hard to go back. :)
Diese Vorrichtung kann viele Finger retten! Ich habe meine Tischkreissäge immer mit hohem Respekt (auch Angst) benutzt. Hiermit sind meine Befürchtungen vor Kickback etc eliminiert; so was sollte im professionellen Bereich vorgeschrieben sein! // Sorry that I'm writing in German, my English is not good enough...
Looks like a Tool and Die maker got an idea. I've done that a lot though the years. It's actually fun to me when someone says can you make me something that does whatever. This is the time when we skip the Engineers and Designers and just make the thing.
Pretty interesting. I think normally I'd be a pretty good candidate for this device. Why? I have 3 cabinet saws. I do believe in devices for safety and for more precision cuts. Feeding wood thru the saw often makes cuts that are not so great, as when the person feeding the work re-positions their hands or themselves, there is a noticeable mark on the cut. A feeder is very consistent and the cuts come thru much cleaner. I use feather boards and have made very strong ones for my big Oliver, (where it has a T-Track) that really keep a board firmly against the fence. I like and use from time to time, "Board Buddies" which are like these but of course not powered. I also have 2 power feeders, (1 hp and 1/4hp) so I am used to feeders. This device is better than the feeders for at least for some reasons. Most feeders have to have a big column that bolts to the saw. It is NOT a quick change. For one thin, the 1/4 hp isn't really powerful enough. It still weighs a decent amount, maybe 40 lbs? The 1 hp is powerful enough but it certainly weighs more than 100 lbs. (I'm guessing but don't often move it because of the weight). Also the adjustment on the normal feeder is not as quick as this. You dial it down with a wheel that is not that quick, and since it is not spring loaded, it is difficult to know how much you have dialed it down. This seems to be much more easily set to the right pressure. However, I personally find there are better places to put feeders, (router tables, and shapers are obvious,) Jointers. Most people don't really know how great it is to have a power "puller" (same thing as a feeder but just on the back side of the blades). The correct way to use a jointer is to apply downward pressure on the OUT feed table once adequate wood passes over the cutter head. Keeping that pressure on the out feed table is the key for producing a great cut on your jointer. Often users don't understand this. They think that because the in feed table is longer than the out feed, that the in feed table is the important reference surface. NO. It is not, it is longer for support AND for allowing the irregular surface "highs" to bear on that surface to keep the feed consistent. Most jointer tables are not conducive for a puller's column. ( can only really put mine on one of my jointers, a 12" one that happens to have a 24" wide out feed table. This device LOOKs like it might be made to allow for smaller tables. I hope the inventor considers this market. For a shop with only one person, it is hard to joint large boards thru jointers and transfer that pressure on the infeed to the out feed seemlessly. Anyway, looks pretty good. I do at times use my table saw to make multiple cuts where this would be interesting, those times I use the buddies, the feather boards etc. This would be nice if it handles the stock. A problem with feeders is that replacement wheels are expensive. He should make it easy to get new wheels cheaply. Anyway, great looking product for the small shop. I DO think the hobby craftsman, who is serious, would also be interested. Of course it has to be competitive with feeders, but that doesn't seem to be so difficult. Again, it IS more versatile it seems.
If a 1/4 hp feeder is not powerful enough, there is a design fault. 1/4 hp is about what you can achieve with your arms, and if you can feed it by hand this feeder should be powerful enough.
I think your first comment about being a candidate for this is probably true, anyone with 3 cabinet saws would probably benefit from a dedicated "production" unit set up ... thanks for the detailed comments
I think this is an awesome concept and thanks, Colin, for bringing it into the limelight. The table saw is the most dangerous piece of equipment in the shop, so anything which helps to eliminate some of the danger is manna from heaven. Personally I am very afraid of it and I take a great deal of time before I commence cutting anything. The only problem is that I do not have a steel table top so the electro magnet won’t work. Probably half the table saws in use don’t have steel tops. But surely this could be secured using the mitre slot - then this would be an essential for every table saw, not just the steel ones. I will buy one in a heartbeat if the inventor can do this. I also think that every manufacturer should be obliged to sell one with their saw!
Can this work without the fence? I worked for a cabinet shop that had some old school equipment and they had a rip saw with top and bottom feed rollers, top side 3/16 kerf blade. There was a wire above the saw that cast a shadow and the shadow aligned with the blade. You could take a board, over 10 foot long, with a bow in it, get the shadow lined up end to end, and then let the rollers grab it and it would run the board straight through and come out straight. It was an awesome machine. If this can do that with smaller stuff, that would be cool.
I would love to see them put it on the other side of the fence and use the fence as the main support so I can keep my over top dust collection in place. I would be a buyer then. Similar to jesseum setup.
Very interesting table saw accessory. I was wondering if you could connect it to the other side of the saw and over the guide so you could run panels through that extend over the edge of the saw? Simply, do the wheels run in the opposite direction also?
Seems it should attach behind the fence so it would be out of the way for wider stock. Also should have a sawdust pickup over the blade to keep sawdust from interfering with the grip of the wheels.
@@daveklein2826so where do you fit the extraction when using the feeder ? That unit will not last long if it gets clogged with dust. And the feed wheels will slip too.
This would have been very interesting if they had mounted on the table fence with a way to lift up when you dont want to use it but still there when u need it ...
Looks very interesting especially for smaller pieces of wood where the risk of kickback is high. They should pre-order for money to go into production.
I note that you have removed your riving knife - and it looks like you have to. Fine with this feeder in position, but it means you have to replace it every time you switch this in and out. Also, the magnetic module severely limits the width of material you can cut.. It uses springs to apply the downward pressure, whilst using a mag-block to stop the feeder lifting. Remove the latter, and you do not need the former!
Like many things, this unit does have limitations but I found that the unit is quick and easy to set up and use, and remove, but as I said earlier, this unit is not ideal for everyone, depends what you do
Man I sure wish I had this back in 2021, I had an accident with a tablesaw after the flooring I was cutting kicked back and sucked my left hand into the blade, I severed three tendons (thumb, ring finger and pinky), 5 nerves, 5 blood vessels and nearly lost my pinky finger, it was a life altering injury. My thumb and ring finger have healed very well, I have most of my strength back in them (the nerve damage still sucks though, even after they were repaired with cadavre nerve sheath) but my pinky is curled up and has about 10% of it's original range of motion and almost no strength, I'm very close to having it surgically removed because it just gets in my way. I _really_ wish I had this...
I was able to do this 39 years ago with 2 Grizzly stock feeders, one before and one after the blade. These were used to produce stock for face frames in cabinet making. It's an old idea. The electromagnet is nice but not absolutely necessary. Wtih 2 bolt on brackets I was able to install the 2 units on the saw without drilling the table. By the way, if you did have to drill the table so what? If you are setting this up for production the saw is going to be dedicated anyhow. Conact me and I'll show you how it's made and how it works. Works on shapers too. In my opinion feeders should be standard equipment on table saws rather than gov mandates about rip stop finger saver nonsense. Pretty soon you'll need a license to saw lumber.
Questions- What is the narrowest width piece that can be cut between the fence and the feeder? Can the electromagnetic part be moved left/right along the bars to change cut width capacity? Suggestions- Magswitch bases (fast and less expensive), forward/reverse so it can be used on either side, and enclosed wiring with sealed buttons and switches for dust protection. This definitely has the prototype look to it. Or maybe its the hermetically sealed and clean lab equipment look 😅 As is, if you don't have good dust collection, it's not going to work properly for long. Thanks for sharing. It's a neat idea, but looks expensive.
3mm/1/8 inch; Yes; Large magnetic switches are pretty expensive.; The control box is already designed to be dustproof, and the wiring will be optimized. It has a dust collection function. Thanks
@@smitoolca5765 I was looking at all of the nooks and crannies for dust to get in to. On top of the motor boxes when the pressure is on so they may not lift as well, bearings, the push with indent style buttons... I'm not trying to tear your baby down, just noticing things similar to others that fail over time. Internal wiring and sealed switchgear will help. So can the box be moved along the bars?
@@carlstrohm3785 Yes, with "push off," you can move the control box, and then, with "push on," lock it in position to accommodate different space requirements on the left side of the blade. Thank you.
Mr. Kinecht, I watch many wood working channels here on You Tube and I have learned a great deal. There is no channel that I have learned more from than this one, and there is no single person presenting material I trust more than you. Profound thanks for all of the guidance - and for making all of this seem accessible and attainable.
Definitely looks useful for mass production/repetitive tasks.
I used one back in the 1980s to cut 1/4" dados in drawer side rips before cutting them to lengths.
I like the fact that it was back in the 1980 @@SandBoxJohn
Certainly for repetitive cuts, but it might be pretty nice for times when you just want a perfect cut on even a small number of similar width cuts. Especially for plywood, where there isn't some large amount of spring in the stock.
THIS is fantastic. If it happens to arrive as affordable for hobbyist / one-off people like myself, all the better.
This tool has safety all around it. Make it available to sell. Gotta have it!
I bought one almost a year ago
This is a fantastic idea, I’ve waited 50 years for something like this to come along, I certainly hope it into production. I would buy it!
how many fingers too late?.. i hope none; always very carefull, nover a cut, just a couple of kickbacks
Power feeders exist probably for 50 years
This thing has been so overdue! I was thinking about an invention like this years ago, I thought how could literally nobody have thought about this before??? Finally, no more fingers lost!
Power Feeders have been around for decades, this is just a more shall we say, Modern tech model, Grizzly and Shop Fox both have a more old school version or basically the same design from its beginnings around the 1951, at first they were typically used for routers/Shapers. Currently going for about 400 bucks to well over a grand depending on the size you get, ranging from 1/8HP to 1HP, the 1HP version is a beast of a machine wicked heavy and would require a dedicated table saw, just so you don't have to move it and have one free table saw for breaking down plywood.
Thank you for this! I recently donated my 1/4 hp stock feeder to a nonprofit because it was too heavy, too awkward, and generally a complete pain to use in my shop where a feeder is not a full time item on the cabinet saw. I loved its function, but beyond that I hated just about everything about it. This type of unit would absolutely be a game changer.
I'm sure this will be an expensive addition to a table saw but well worth the added safety and convenience making repeated cuts.
Good idea for a chair bound woodworker, a friend I lost would've really benefited from a feeder like this. He did repetitive cuts making box turkey calls, but had to rely on friends when it came to table saw work. Nice intro to this, thanks!
It’s ideal for that application
this is the first time I see someone use a title like this and it being true! not just for the reasons you listed, but this is also a huge step towards automatizing table saws.
🐶loved the saw feeder finally!!! they made one
Fantastic! Now I don't have to build one myself and fret about the details. I LIKE THIS.
Bring it on ! I would love to have that little power feeder. Nice little add on
1 feature i like is the 2 wheels straddling the blade but thats about it. I've got the Grizzly baby feeder ($350) paired with the Magswitch kit for the base ($300) that allows me to put the feeder anywhere on the saw. The main feature missing is dust collection which is a problem with multiple cuts. I can get almost 100% removal with the Grizzly.
I have been looking at the grizzly myself, at $350 you must have to 1/8HP version. May I ask, how do you like it? what is the weight like? More importantly, what don't you like about it? how does it limit your work if at all? any information you can give will be a great help, as I am working on building my workshop for the physically and vertically challenged lol
I like it.
I love this thing. It's a fairly simple package that incorporates a lot of deep ideas that seem to work well together. The electro magnet is a good universal design for any cast iron top. I'd like to see a T track version for anyone who has those as an option.
Thanks Colin. I don't want a sawstop but I do want a safe power feeder.
I will keep an eye out for updates.
This device is ideal for people like me who have arthritis
I'd like to see what it looks like after 500 cuts. All that shiny metal is going to be covered with sawdust and all those little intricate parts are going to be a challenge to keep working if they don't enclose it in sealed metal or plastic.
I bought one didn't like it at first but after I got used to it I wouldn't do without one
Will have to put on my wish list, definitely needed
All things in good time ...
It may already do this, but my suggestion is safety interlock such that if the electromagnet isn't engaged that the feeder won't activate. Nice design!
What a great addition. The safety improvement takes away the fear of kickback.
Well, it reduces the risk, not sure it takes it away all together, you would need to keep the drive wheels clean and make sure you have sufficient clamping pressure on them ... but yes, the good news is it keeps fingers away from the blade
I love using a feeder on a table saw for a lot of cutting or long stuff!
Excellent autocut I'd love to see this going to production very well thought out product
The unit is already in production. I bought one last year and really like the feeder.
Very cool.
Looks very useful to me! Hope it goes to production and market.
I have a DeWalt 7485 table saw in my workshop, which is honestly all I ever really need in my work, but a thing like this would be a real advantage!
I love the design and easy setup and removal.
Yes, I thought it was quite innovative too
I came up with an idea similar to this. everyone thought I was insane and it was ridiculous. BUT I like this idea.
Right?? Would come in handy cutting down sheets for sure
@@TylerTheBassCreator why not have it mount to the rip fence. Then it's adjustable for plywood.
@@scotttribout1150 cause then it'd make my saw a little less portable than it is now lol
But I may reconsider
All I could see was $$$$$$$$$$ … but certainly would be an awesome addition to my shop!
The Auto-Cut is great! I bought one and it works very well.
May I ask how much bank did this unit set you back?
@@angelcastro3129 It costs $749
Looks like a great tool. Good for safety and good for quality, no doubt. If priced affordable, I would buy one.
Very interesting. Thanks Collin. 😊😊😊❤❤❤
Glad to see everyone having a good time here! I am the inventor of it! Feel free to ask if you have any questions about its use, performance, or technical aspects! I'll respond as quickly as possible!
If you look at the back of the unit @ around 4:51, it would be good if you could hide the wires by enclosing the back. It has the look of a prototype.
Thank you for your message. Yes, those wires are for the laser indicators. I will optimize their wiring!
@@ricbarker4829 agreed that it needs enclosing to protect the internal wiring from sawdust and wood chips.
Hey, this seems excellent. Given how common the sawstop saws are, making sure the components around the blade are non-conductive would be a big help. I can't tell what everything is made of, but it looks like there's some aluminum there, which could trigger things if something wasn't setup perfectly
@@MrAjime Your observation is correct. It is made of 6061 aluminum alloy with precision CNC machining. As for compatibility with SawStop, there should be no issues because the part that comes into contact with the table is the surface of the two drive wheels, and the tire surface of the drive wheels is made of non-conductive PU material. Thank you very much.
hi Colin, Thank you once again for helping other woodworkers discover new ways of doing their craft. This is for sure a very worthy item in most tablesaw shops. Will check out the link. Thanks again. Happy 2024🎉
Colin looks like it's a useful tool, my table saw is a heavy plastic top and my router table is aluminum if they made it to attach some way it would be useful for those of use who don't have a cabinet table saw,
My table saw, Ridgid contractor saw, is not magnetic either. Perhaps a sheet of steel could be fastened to the existing table top.
@@mikem1436 hi Mike yeah my table saw is a Ridgid also I did try to use a thin sheet of metal on top it threw my fence out that it wouldn't slide to make small adjustments, once I move to a new shop I am going to see about a cabinet table saw, Mike don't get me wrong the Ridgid is a good saw I need something that I can setup easily trying to make 45s can be a pain good luck
@@alanwasserman8176 I am in the sort of same boat as you. All my items have to be portable since I live in an apartment and move them around quite a bit. I will be retiring shortly and plan on building a workshop. Cabinet table saw is one of the first, if not the first, I get.
Fantastic tool and power fed work is always better
Agreed!
Really like this can’t wait to see it hit the market. If it’s in my price range I will definitely buy one.
Cool idea! it looks like it needs some refining though. Exposed wires should be cleaned up and some form of dust collection would be a nice touch!
From the video I have several comments concerning this tool and its usefulness...First the positives...It is definitely more compact than my 1 hp. Powermatic 4 roller power feeder. It seems to be fairly easily adjustable and the samples you fed through were small and "ideal" boards for which it works great. Now for some not so positives...First not all woodshops have great dust collection. I have a dust collector on my saw but still end up with lots of dust all over. With all the exposed parts I would expect that machine to be covered in short order in my workshop. All of the exposed parts are also at risk of damage because I don't handle small boards. I have run over 10's of thousands of board feet through my saw because I size rough lumber which is not perfectly straight and also make shiplap using dado sets. Most of my wood starts out as 8', 10', or 12' lengths and anywhere from 1" x 16" to 2" x 12". I question whether this tool would survive the stress of such loads or potential damage from handling large boards some of which have hit my Powermatic in a way that would damage the auto cut. Also I don't see a single wheel working to feed consistently with rough lumber. I didn't see it having multiple feed speeds either where my Powermatic has 4 different speeds which really comes in handy with either very soft woods or hardwoods. For the record I am a hobbyist and not a professional as I have used my wood shop to produce over 100k board feet for a house I have built from scratch with lumber I have milled myself from the trees I have cut. For the small hobbyist this might be a great tool and the electromagnetic mount is a great idea. However I don't believe this is ready for more than a niche of the woodworking market.
This is a very interesting tool
I could really see a mag switch on the outrigger mount instead of a clamp. I'm sure you could make something that can solve that, lol.
Great idea. I always thought I little duty setup would help alot of smaller operations out.
I think the clamp is ok, but I'd put a mark on the table where the outrigger goes, so you don't guess. Maybe a line scribed on the table where the magnetic one goes too? And maybe the clamp end can be one where there is something like a Destaco clamp? so just a lever out there? after all, it doesn't have as much torque out there.
idea geniale! Spero arrivi sul mercato mondiale, dato che grazie a un dispositivo come questo, molte dita saranno salvate👍👍👍👍👍👍✌✌✌✌😎😎😎😎
That is slick!!
That's a really cool idea. I find feeding manually is tricky to stay consistent, and end up with some cuts that are not always nice all the way through, this would make it easier to achieve that as it takes the human inconsistency out of the equation.
Looks very nice, as long as the average guy can afford it.
As always... a very informative Video! Colin, If I may say, Please don't let so much time go by between videos!!
Thank you for sharing this useful tool. Looks promising. Everyone stay safe, warm, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia
This looks like a very good Idea, I would buy one at a reasonably price.
❤❤ I think it's a winner 🏆. I hope it can make it to market. Hope it will be affordable. Try and keep us informed please. ❤❤
It has been available on the company website. I purchased one last year.
Definitely has a place for running repeatedly small trim pieces. I've been building cabinets 46 years and seen many injuries from not paying attention
This looks awesome! Better than bulky power feeders. Would also be neat to see an extended wheel version for wider boards. Very cool! I cant believe how many negative comments are on this video. People can't just enjoy a useful interesting thing when they see it. Great work
For this to work for me I’d need the base to mount on both sides of the fence. Also, when mounted to the right of an Incra brand fence the base would need to straddle the fence’s aluminum shaft that is perpendicular to the fence. Also, wouldn’t spreading the magnets out to the front and back of the saw increase the leverage, perhaps eliminating the need for the outrigger? A remote stop/start and speed control may be helpful too especially when working with sheet goods, and finally options for shielding/dust collection?
A pedal controlled switch would definitely be useful, and should be something relatively easy to add
Great idea, I would love to see it available for purchase.
I really like that and would try it in my shop and on my channel. The only thing I noticed is the back clamp area would possibly interfere with my crosscut table attached to my saw. But maybe not.
That's got to have a thumbs up for safety alone
Wow that really is a game changer! Awesome addition to any wood shop 👍🏼
PretIt looks relatively simple, I like that. My first thought was that it could be useful for ripping thin strips from board to be used for molding or trim. For me that would probably be the primary use case.
I'm also wondering if it can be put on the other side of the fence for cutting wide material?
I’ve been wondering that but the mounting brackets only seem on one side. Looks like the bars are high enough to clear the fence but only seems single direction.
I have the Jessem TS guides. They seem to work well for holding plywood against the fence but don’t work well for narrow stock which this seems designed for.
This also has the same issue on the router table where I could see wanting to mount behind the fence for door panels.
wow, I have wanted something like that for many years. Oh wait, kickstarter…. well it was a great idea anyway. Got burned a couple times on those.
Thank you for the video.
I like the simple setup/removal concept.
Jessem has a tool sort of like this. It attaches to the fence. It can't give you quite as much clearance as this but otherwise it's similar. The main difference is the wheels are slightly angled, to keep the work piece snug up against the fence.
I have the Jessem. It’s a better solution for dealing with plywood. The idea of this is better for narrow stock.
Looking more I think the Magswitch base with a standard feeder is a better solution overall since can be mounted on either side of the fence
The thing where the workpiece tipped up once it passed the first wheel worries me--seems like it'd be important to have one more wheel past the blade to keep the work against the table through the whole cut. And/or a full-length perfectly-parallel outfeed table.
The saw still needs a splitter or riving knife--if there is tension that gets released by the cut, the blade can still grab it and the table saw motor is definitely stronger than the feeder motor. The feeder needs some kickback protection built into it, in the form of pawls perhaps?
With the number of repeat cuts we make daily this would really help our poor arthritic hands! Is the feed rate adjustable? Seems a little slow. Will definitely be checking out the kickstarter page!
2:09 Blue knob on the maglock body, although he never actual confirms its function until 3:39
I like this a lot. The big commercial feeders are heavy, need special mounting, take up a lot of room & don't easily allow for work space reconfiguration. They are also expensive.
This addresses most of that. (It will probably not be cheap tho..)
Two things worth mentioning: in addition to safety (which is huge), fatigue reduction & efficiency, powered feeders make smoother cuts with less saw marks and chance of burning because feed speed, pressure and angle is consistent. On the negative side, this looks like it won't feed bigger stock and has limited utility on sheet material vs normal feeders.
Good Idea 👍🇺🇸
this seems like the beginning of a long road to a really good product. I can see this type of system competing with saw stop someday. long road though
I've used a power feeder since the 70's on table saws and shapers. Albeit, they were much larger and required bolting into position. This smaller magnetic version could save tons of setup time. Warning: once you go power-feeder it's hard to go back. :)
Diese Vorrichtung kann viele Finger retten! Ich habe meine Tischkreissäge immer mit hohem Respekt (auch Angst) benutzt. Hiermit sind meine Befürchtungen vor Kickback etc eliminiert; so was sollte im professionellen Bereich vorgeschrieben sein!
// Sorry that I'm writing in German, my English is not good enough...
Интересное приспособление. В массовом производстве определённо себя оправдает. Уважение и восхищение.
Да, я согласен
Looks like a Tool and Die maker got an idea. I've done that a lot though the years. It's actually fun to me when someone says can you make me something that does whatever. This is the time when we skip the Engineers and Designers and just make the thing.
Pretty interesting. I think normally I'd be a pretty good candidate for this device. Why? I have 3 cabinet saws. I do believe in devices for safety and for more precision cuts. Feeding wood thru the saw often makes cuts that are not so great, as when the person feeding the work re-positions their hands or themselves, there is a noticeable mark on the cut. A feeder is very consistent and the cuts come thru much cleaner. I use feather boards and have made very strong ones for my big Oliver, (where it has a T-Track) that really keep a board firmly against the fence. I like and use from time to time, "Board Buddies" which are like these but of course not powered. I also have 2 power feeders, (1 hp and 1/4hp) so I am used to feeders. This device is better than the feeders for at least for some reasons. Most feeders have to have a big column that bolts to the saw. It is NOT a quick change. For one thin, the 1/4 hp isn't really powerful enough. It still weighs a decent amount, maybe 40 lbs? The 1 hp is powerful enough but it certainly weighs more than 100 lbs. (I'm guessing but don't often move it because of the weight). Also the adjustment on the normal feeder is not as quick as this. You dial it down with a wheel that is not that quick, and since it is not spring loaded, it is difficult to know how much you have dialed it down. This seems to be much more easily set to the right pressure.
However, I personally find there are better places to put feeders, (router tables, and shapers are obvious,) Jointers. Most people don't really know how great it is to have a power "puller" (same thing as a feeder but just on the back side of the blades). The correct way to use a jointer is to apply downward pressure on the OUT feed table once adequate wood passes over the cutter head. Keeping that pressure on the out feed table is the key for producing a great cut on your jointer. Often users don't understand this. They think that because the in feed table is longer than the out feed, that the in feed table is the important reference surface. NO. It is not, it is longer for support AND for allowing the irregular surface "highs" to bear on that surface to keep the feed consistent. Most jointer tables are not conducive for a puller's column. ( can only really put mine on one of my jointers, a 12" one that happens to have a 24" wide out feed table. This device LOOKs like it might be made to allow for smaller tables. I hope the inventor considers this market. For a shop with only one person, it is hard to joint large boards thru jointers and transfer that pressure on the infeed to the out feed seemlessly.
Anyway, looks pretty good. I do at times use my table saw to make multiple cuts where this would be interesting, those times I use the buddies, the feather boards etc. This would be nice if it handles the stock. A problem with feeders is that replacement wheels are expensive. He should make it easy to get new wheels cheaply. Anyway, great looking product for the small shop. I DO think the hobby craftsman, who is serious, would also be interested. Of course it has to be competitive with feeders, but that doesn't seem to be so difficult. Again, it IS more versatile it seems.
If a 1/4 hp feeder is not powerful enough, there is a design fault. 1/4 hp is about what you can achieve with your arms, and if you can feed it by hand this feeder should be powerful enough.
I think your first comment about being a candidate for this is probably true, anyone with 3 cabinet saws would probably benefit from a dedicated "production" unit set up ... thanks for the detailed comments
Looks like a great, functional tool that would be a big benefit to most shops. Ha, and it won't shorten any more of my fingers 😅
Yes, could be viewed as a good safety tool
Looks like it could have saved my thumb.
Feeders have been around for 40+ years .... ive got 6 of them still working ...
I think this is an awesome concept and thanks, Colin, for bringing it into the limelight. The table saw is the most dangerous piece of equipment in the shop, so anything which helps to eliminate some of the danger is manna from heaven. Personally I am very afraid of it and I take a great deal of time before I commence cutting anything. The only problem is that I do not have a steel table top so the electro magnet won’t work. Probably half the table saws in use don’t have steel tops. But surely this could be secured using the mitre slot - then this would be an essential for every table saw, not just the steel ones. I will buy one in a heartbeat if the inventor can do this. I also think that every manufacturer should be obliged to sell one with their saw!
Alas, my aluminum table saw doesn't even have a miter slot, the old Ryobi BT3000.
Very good idea
Can this work without the fence? I worked for a cabinet shop that had some old school equipment and they had a rip saw with top and bottom feed rollers, top side 3/16 kerf blade. There was a wire above the saw that cast a shadow and the shadow aligned with the blade. You could take a board, over 10 foot long, with a bow in it, get the shadow lined up end to end, and then let the rollers grab it and it would run the board straight through and come out straight. It was an awesome machine. If this can do that with smaller stuff, that would be cool.
I would love to see them put it on the other side of the fence and use the fence as the main support so I can keep my over top dust collection in place. I would be a buyer then. Similar to jesseum setup.
Awesome feed roller would be great for a router table also. Hope the price will be reasonable.
I'm headed to Harbor Freight to buy one.
Looks well engineered, but wouldn't it be better if it just connected to the fence?
Very interesting table saw accessory. I was wondering if you could connect it to the other side of the saw and over the guide so you could run panels through that extend over the edge of the saw? Simply, do the wheels run in the opposite direction also?
I was wondering the same.
Looks good I’ll have to look into it.
Seems it should attach behind the fence so it would be out of the way for wider stock. Also should have a sawdust pickup over the blade to keep sawdust from interfering with the grip of the wheels.
Saw dust collection is not the job of a feeder😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@daveklein2826so where do you fit the extraction when using the feeder ? That unit will not last long if it gets clogged with dust. And the feed wheels will slip too.
Revolutionary? I wish you luck
This would have been very interesting if they had mounted on the table fence with a way to lift up when you dont want to use it but still there when u need it ...
Looks very interesting especially for smaller pieces of wood where the risk of kickback is high. They should pre-order for money to go into production.
Replacing the electromagnet and end clamp with Magswitch style magnets would make it more versatile.
Damn near lost a hand’s worth of fingers last year on a table saw. Still not scared of them. But I sure would love to try one of these!
I love it, I want it, I need it, I'll promote it, I'll link it.... amazing!
Looks like a good idea.
Though like everything else, it will come down to the retail price.
Excellent!!!!,
Good morning. Are there any updates on the production of this excellent tool? A true asset for just about anybody.
I note that you have removed your riving knife - and it looks like you have to. Fine with this feeder in position, but it means you have to replace it every time you switch this in and out. Also, the magnetic module severely limits the width of material you can cut.. It uses springs to apply the downward pressure, whilst using a mag-block to stop the feeder lifting. Remove the latter, and you do not need the former!
Like many things, this unit does have limitations but I found that the unit is quick and easy to set up and use, and remove, but as I said earlier, this unit is not ideal for everyone, depends what you do
Man I sure wish I had this back in 2021, I had an accident with a tablesaw after the flooring I was cutting kicked back and sucked my left hand into the blade, I severed three tendons (thumb, ring finger and pinky), 5 nerves, 5 blood vessels and nearly lost my pinky finger, it was a life altering injury. My thumb and ring finger have healed very well, I have most of my strength back in them (the nerve damage still sucks though, even after they were repaired with cadavre nerve sheath) but my pinky is curled up and has about 10% of it's original range of motion and almost no strength, I'm very close to having it surgically removed because it just gets in my way. I _really_ wish I had this...
Bless you! Wish you all the best!
I was able to do this 39 years ago with 2 Grizzly stock feeders, one before and one after the blade. These were used to produce stock for face frames in cabinet making. It's an old idea. The electromagnet is nice but not absolutely necessary. Wtih 2 bolt on brackets I was able to install the 2 units on the saw without drilling the table. By the way, if you did have to drill the table so what? If you are setting this up for production the saw is going to be dedicated anyhow. Conact me and I'll show you how it's made and how it works. Works on shapers too. In my opinion feeders should be standard equipment on table saws rather than gov mandates about rip stop finger saver nonsense. Pretty soon you'll need a license to saw lumber.
The green wheels need some sort of diagonal V lines across them or something so you know they are turning.
Very handy accessory for sure 👍🏻
Questions- What is the narrowest width piece that can be cut between the fence and the feeder? Can the electromagnetic part be moved left/right along the bars to change cut width capacity?
Suggestions- Magswitch bases (fast and less expensive), forward/reverse so it can be used on either side, and enclosed wiring with sealed buttons and switches for dust protection. This definitely has the prototype look to it. Or maybe its the hermetically sealed and clean lab equipment look 😅 As is, if you don't have good dust collection, it's not going to work properly for long. Thanks for sharing. It's a neat idea, but looks expensive.
3mm/1/8 inch; Yes; Large magnetic switches are pretty expensive.; The control box is already designed to be dustproof, and the wiring will be optimized. It has a dust collection function. Thanks
@@smitoolca5765 I was looking at all of the nooks and crannies for dust to get in to. On top of the motor boxes when the pressure is on so they may not lift as well, bearings, the push with indent style buttons... I'm not trying to tear your baby down, just noticing things similar to others that fail over time. Internal wiring and sealed switchgear will help. So can the box be moved along the bars?
@@carlstrohm3785 Yes, with "push off," you can move the control box, and then, with "push on," lock it in position to accommodate different space requirements on the left side of the blade. Thank you.
@@smitoolca5765 Thank you for the responses and I sincerely hope you can bring this to market. Many fingers will be saved.