The Complicated History Of The Confederate Flag | Time Capsule
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- The confederate flag is a controversial symbol. What it means has changed over time and can depend on who you are and where you come from. And to further complicate this, there wasn't just one confederate flag--there were dozens--and the flag we've come to know as the confederate flag has a history as complicated as it is contentious.
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I am a Civil War reenactor. More than once I have gone to an event where the confederate battle banner had to be taken down because people were complaining about the use on the field. How are you going to have a civil war reenactment with out confederate flags an d banners?
+Russell Dickson Why do you re-enact Civil War battles? Is it about honoring the dead? The winners? The losers? The North? The South? What is the point of it?
I am not being a jerk, I honestly am asking.
+Russell Dickson This is a legitimately tricky issue. While less common, the same question comes up with Nazi imagery. Either for acting or games people sometimes want to use these symbols since to them the symbols are harmless enough to be used that way. Others however still see them in an active light, inappropriate for recreational activities.
Civil war reenactment is in a rather unique position since there is disagreement on how removed the conflict is. Some people see it as safely in the past and thus can be looked at the same way we do the revolutionary war or SCA reenactments. Others see it as an ongoing conflict that is still playing out today.
A similar example I saw not too long ago was when a private company decided they wanted to have a 'plantation' themed party, with everyone showing up in historical garb, all those ladies and gentlemen in fine landowner costumes. For them it was all fun and games, a nod to aristocratic wealth in their history. Until their single black employee showed up in clothing that would have been appropriate to him in the same era. Harmlessly abstract fun for them, not so much for him.
When my Union family went west to murder Native Americans, was the Union right then?
I live in Mason County, KY. Home of the house divided. Union General William 'Bull' Nelson and Confederate General Albert Sidney Johnston both grew up in the same house. Harriet Beecher Stowe wrote 'Uncle Tom's Cabin' just down the street from that house. I had grand farther's in the 10th OVI USA and the 2nd Ky Cav. CAS. Who is the better?
neeneko A party where people came dress like northern sweat shop owners would have been much better. One person could have come as an Irish immigration, or as child labor. Both side had problem, but calling one bad and the other good is a wast of time. I have friends who does German SS of world war two. Just so we don 't forget.
+Russell Dickson What does "I have friends how does German SS of World War 2" even mean? Can you speak English or are you using Google Translate?
This is the best video on the Flag I have ever seen. You guys looked at both sides and didn’t demonize either one while still giving fair arguments from both perspectives.
confederates should be demonized.
God forbid we demonize racists
The symbol on the flag that you repeatedly refer to as "the Southern cross" is, in fact, St. Andrew's cross. St. Andrew's cross derives from church tradition which states that St. Andrew was martyred on an x-shaped cross. St. Andrew became the patron saint of Scotland, and, hence, St. Andrew's cross was incorporated into the flag of Scotland, known as the Soltaire. (BTW, the Soltaire is the oldest national flag in use today.) Because so many Southerner's had Scots and Ulster Scots in their heritage, St. Andrew's cross was incorporated into many Confederate flags. You should also note that the Southern Cross is a constellation of stars seen in the night sky below the equator.
Im also surprised this important piece was not mentioned
It's called the saltire, not the soltaire. And the Danish flag is considered the oldest national flag still in use. Also note, while a nation can exist within a state, a nation that takes a plebiscite and votes against offered autonomy is no longer a nation by definition. Scotland is no longer a nation.
@@stephengallagher2209 Scotland became a nation in the 9th century and remained an independent nation until its parliament voted along with the English to approve the Acts of Union in 1707. Considering the referenda that have been held for Scottish independence, I wouldn't be so quick to write off independent Scotland.
@@stephengallagher2209 The flag of Denmark was designed in 1625. First hoisted in 1512, Scotland's flag is thought to be the oldest in Europe.
While we are on the subject of Scottish heritage, the "Crann Tara" or fiery cross once had a different meaning. Highlanders used it as rallying point in times of war.
This topic has always confused me to the point I just gave up. So much conflicting info. I appreciate the history being told by more informed individuals.
😄😄LOC.gov that library of Congress website, just look at the articles of secession yourself, see it right from the racist horse's hand...and if u really wanna learn something bout ur country, type in the 'N'-word in the search bar 😐
@@casandrawilliams373 not all states seceded because of slavery. Tennessee is an example.
@@blllllllllllllllllllrlrlrl7059 Nope, Every southern state left because of slavery as the main issue, if you don't see it, it's because you aren't looking enough.......Governor Isham G. Harris convened an emergency session of the Tennessee General Assembly in January 1861. During his speech before the legislative body on January 7, he described the secession of the Southern states as a crisis caused by "long continued agitation of the slavery question"......Keep reaching.
He gave no detail why people up north use it and why it became popular in culture outside the south.
@@calvinthestormfreak exactly.
Now think about that. Why would someone from the north that has never been to the south be flying that flag?? I've asked the same question many of times. Only answer I've heard is my family fought in the war LMMFAO... that's when you know they have no logical explanation. But they will never tell you the real reason.
Thank you, as a non-American the whole story was somewhat confusing.
Basically people are getting triggered over a stupid battle flag. The Confederacy was a bunch of U.S states that broke away from the Union and formed their own country. The reason so was for multiple reasons heritage is one plus more.
you have been misinformed kind sir
not fair and balanced at all ,
taxation without representation , overwhelming taxation , silencing of a free and independent statehood , not slavary as Lincoln himself owned many slaves ,
@Elmur fud. my great grandfather had fought for the north. he was a pow. in Andersonville. I spent most of live thinking that the war was about slavery. the last two years or so I have been looking into his life and the war. the things that I found out just blow my mind. like the large numbers of blacks that fought for the confederate army. or that Texas and Florida were independent states free of slaves and joined the confederate States.or that the north had slave States. or that north had a segregated army but the south didn't. I could go on and on. I am a new Yorker with a new understanding of the truth and I would like to say that I am sorry for what we did to your country. so you fly your flag. with pride and honor. and give it the respect it deserves.
+The Good Stuff
I'm actually really impressed at the level of discourse in the comments. Nobody is calling each other names or attacking each other personally. Thanks for making a video that inspires respectful discussion about an extremely tense issue
If I could like ur post more than once I would just keep pushing the thumbs up button. I feel all this big stink about the flag is a plot to divide us once again as America people and take more rights away from all people no matter what color we are.
@@traceykays433 do you see nazi flags on Germany? Nope. End of story. Confederates and nazis are no different and shockingly to all of us I'm sure is that you always see white supremacists carry both. Why do you think that is exactly?
@@treyerickson7459 And they are all democrats.
@@claytonrealist8868 found the idiot
@@claytonrealist8868 how do you say you don't know anything about American history and politics without saying it? You just did. I urge you to get a library card and use it you pathetic slob
The history of the Confederate flag is indeed complicated. There are always many sides to every history, and in this context we could point out the utterance by Winston Churchill "History is written by the victors."
Slavery, racism, and hate are detestable wherever they exist. They have no place in a civilized nation. But the tendency to silence opposing views or narratives only gives credence to the extremists. Rather than instantly trying to silence those who embrace the Confederate flag, let us try to understand their motives.
We see in history text books taught in US schools an emphasis that the Civil War was fought for the emancipation of the slaves, while the South fought to preserve slavery. I'm from NY State, and I can say that for the most part we considered Southern secession a mistaken error. A miscalculation. A never should have happened sort of thing.
Then in my own interest in history, I was surprised to read in every Lincoln biography I came across ("Team of Rivals" DKG, "Abraham Lincoln" C Sandberg, and Mr. Lincoln by Allen Guelzo) that the war had less to do with slavery than we might have been lead to believe.
For a man who spoke plainly, it was plain to see that Lincoln led the Union government into the Civil War not in order to free the slaves, but strictly to preserve the Union. Lincoln's quotes on the subject were unequivocal. He said he would not free one slave if it meant that freeing slaves lost the Union, and that his only intention in issuing the Emancipation Proclamation (several years into the conflict) was to preserve the Union- that freeing the slave was simply a smart military policy. The black man was contraband- not an equal human. (A lot more could be said about the fine dance Lincoln had to do to keep the border states in the Union along with appeasing Northern Democrats while at the same time not alienating Norther radicals...aka abolitionists.)
I have a great appreciation for Lincoln as a humble, intelligent, and capable man, but I do want to point out that history tends to emphasize one point of view over another. I.e. that Lincoln freed the slaves (did you know he didn't free the slaves in Kentucky, Maryland, Delaware or Missouri). We also tend to think that all Southerners were pro-slavery, while Northerners were anti-racist. But it is less known that Lincoln and Seward wanted to deport blacks to Africa or South America- openly describing blacks as an inferior race. While the South in contrast had many abolitionist societies before the war and many in the South believed that the peculiar institution (slavery) would eventually disappear of its own accord as it had in the North and all other Western Christian societies. (Which one can only speculate if emancipation would or wouldn't have occurred naturally).
General Robert E. Lee- the most famous general of the Confederacy- freed the slaves that he inherited from his father-in-law during the conflict and before the Emancipation Proclamation. He also urged the Confederate government to enlist black men and give them freedom. At the out break of the war he decided to fight for his home state of Virginia because he believed wholeheartedly that each state was a separate sovereign nation and that participation in a Federal Union of States had to be voluntary... not mandatory and held at gunpoint. (There is evidence that Thomas Jefferson and many other "Enlightened" founding fathers would have agreed with this).
I believe that General Lee would have considered it regrettable that the Confederate States held onto slavery as a sovereign right.
What's more regrettable from a historical humanitarian perspective is the fact that the Civil War brought about a reactionary racist formation in the South. The populace felt akin to being conquered by a foreign power, with their cultural institutions under threat. If Northern reconstruction destroyed the pride of the Southerners (as though they were being governed by a foreign power - the Northern States) then this led to a terrible reactionary formation, generating hate groups like the KKK.
For this reason, the Confederate flag must be dealt with cautiously. After all, could you imagine being a lone black man passing by a group of white men brandishing the Confederate flag?
But at the same time, it is also helpful to invite open dialogue rather than shaming a person we disagree with.
Some people see in the Confederate flag a symbol of cultural heritage that values conservative traditions in the line of an Edmund Burke (the South having been a conservative Christian society). Others, simply see a symbol of nationalism.
Perhaps this discussion is so complicated because it is charged with such long standing crimes against humanity. And at the same time the victors tried to rewrite the history of the Civil War emphasizing the emancipation of slaves and the North's moral superiority.
How do we then begin with a new dialogue, rather than fall victim to the poison of hate?
That would make more sense if the Confederate flag saw usage outside of the Confederacy. As it stands, it represents a group of secessionists who left the Union to preserve slavery and fired the first shot. Alexander Stephens, Cornerstone Speech: _"The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."_
Lincoln need not have sought to emancipate the slaves for the Confederates to have seceded to keep them; countries can go to war for several reasons. Robert E. Lee was vicious to his slaves when he owned them and, regardless of what words he might have spoken on the matter, led the army that fought to keep them subjugated.
To some people, that flag represents the worst of centuries of oppression and violence to an entire race. To others, it means... heritage? Why do we need to ask the former people to honor the views of the latter? Why isn't it the other way around?
The weakest defense of the Confederate flag is that it is protected under "freedom of speech". Sure, you shouldn't go to jail for flying it--but if that's the _best_ thing you can say about it, it represents something terrible that should be derided and ridiculed.
@@Ben00000 Robert E. Lee led the confederate forces out of loyalty to his home state of Virginia, he would have fought for the union had it not joined the confederacy. The average southerner who fought under the confederate banner didn't do so to uphold an institution that didn't benefit them in any way, they did it out of a perceived loyalty to their homeland (Dixie) in a war against so called 'northern aggression'. One should not be guilted out of commemorating their heritage because others perceive the same heritage to mean something it arguably does not. By that logic, Asian religions should cease continuation of the swastika as a symbol of Hinduism and Buddhism because westerners are reminded of Nazism.
@@ioanbugheanu6836 Robert E. Lee led the army that fought to preserve slavery. He was a vicious slave owner. Maybe he would have fought for the Union under different circumstances--but he didn't. He was a racist during a turning point in our history where plenty of people saw that racism was evil.
You're right that the average southerner didn't own slaves, but you're wrong in that slavery didn't benefit them. Besides indirectly helping by propping up their economy, slavery was a major social, political, and cultural institution. Again from the Cornerstone Speech: _"The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the 'storm came and the wind blew.' Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."_
This is also echoed in the articles of secession, as seen in Texas's: _"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races"_
So slavery was more than just a way some plantation owners made money, it was baked into southern society that there was a permanent "underclass" which prevented even the poorest whites from hitting the bottom. Furthermore, the threat of a slave rebellion was ever-looming, and keeping the African slaves down was a means of delaying or preventing it. While it's impossible to know what was going through the head of every Confederate soldier, it's entirely inaccurate to say that they had no stake whatsoever in preserving slavery.
Lastly, your comparison of mandalas to swastikas is not apt. The Confederate flag was never stolen or co-opted from a peaceful symbol. Its meaning wasn't ever in question by its creators or its bearers. A more accurate comparison would be how the swastika, like the Confederate flag, was a symbol created from hateful racists and which cannot be divorced from its origins; nobody gets to bear a swastika and claim they're celebrating German schnitzels. The south has plenty to be prideful of that _isn't_ mass enslavement of black people.
@@Ben00000 Robert E. Lee didn't side in the war over his views on race or slavery, he fought fundamentally out of loyalty to his home state. The fact that you can so willingly and dismissively conflate the two as though this important distinction is irrelevant despite it being the basis of your judgement of his character regarding his actions in the civil war shows that you lack the willingness for critical assessment of this history.
Racism was also widespread at the time even among abolitionists, the civil rights movement only happened much later in the 1960s. The discussion here and the civil war itself was about the institution of slavery, not views on race.
The average southerner fought, as I stated, primarily out of a perceived loyalty to their homeland in opposition to so called 'northern aggression'. I would say cultural elements like music would be a better insight into the minds of the everyday soldier. The song "Dixie's Land" demonstrates a love for the southern homeland and makes no mention of race or slavery. This is also what the confederate flag has come to represent to the average southerner today: a representation of the south (Dixie's land), and the Dixie spirit. It's as devoid of race to the average southerner as a symbol as much as the United States flag is. That's why it was so widespread across particularly southern pop culture and this is why you see it waved by black and white southerners alike.
Finally, your comparison of mandalas is quite poor. The Nazi swastika was invented to quite literally represent the supremacy of the Aryan race. It has permanently scarred the mandala to any western viewer, but not to individuals who have genuine heritage ties to the symbol. The confederate flag was invented simply to represent the south as Independent and as such came to be the symbol of the 'land of Dixie' as culturally seperate and unique to the rest of the United States after political secession failed. To add to this, the popular confederate flag isn't even the emblem of the attempted political secession that was driven fundamentally by slavery rights, but a battle flag, which commemorates the sacrifices of dead southerners, their bravery in battle, rebellion against (supposed) tyranny, and nothing else.
@@ioanbugheanu6836 These are distinctions without differences. Sure, Lee fought for loyalty of his home state--but he held loyalty to his state in higher regard than the liberty of millions of black slaves. Many abolitionists were racist, but many people weren't abolitionists at all. Perhaps some soldiers fought to defend their land from northern soldiers, but that wasn't what you argued--you argued that they wouldn't have benefited from slavery, which I pointed out was untrue. Perhaps they loved their "Dixie Land", but they put that love, like Lee, over the plight of the millions of backs it stood upon. The swastika took an existing symbol and twisted it, but you can plausibly use the old symbol and retain its original meaning; the Confederate flag has only ever stood for the Confederacy, which seceded to protect slavery. The modern Confederate flag is not the original flag of the whole CSA, true, but it's still a flag of the Confederacy, which seceded to protect slavery.
And you are correct to put "supposed" tyranny in parentheses. The southern states were perfectly happy to exert federal power over northern states until Lincoln's election when suddenly they were all for "states' rights"... not to mention the _actual_ tyranny of owning 4 million humans as property.
This was so educational and easy to follow. I learned more about America in a short video than I’ve ever had reading a news article with a narrative.
I am Swiss! One of my a ancestors fought in the 24th Virginia Volunteers Infantry Regiment, and as far as we know, he died at Fredericksburg or Sharpsburg (Antietam)! He never owned slaves; he just had bought a little Farm in Virginia when the war broke out! He was just a poor immigrant fighting in a war that wasnt even his...so the Confederate Battle Flag and especially the one of Virginia means a lot for me..Switzerland is a Confederacy btw..
That's really interesting that is the main reason that the flag has meaning to me as well
And that it still fought for slavery never forget that it doesn’t matter that the flag doesn’t represent that it’s part of that flags history
I'll be honest with you. I don't care if your ancestors were immigrants. They fought for traitors who wanted to continue the institution of slavery. The confederate flag is a symbol of hate.
@@IncredibleStan Oh noes, a person fought for their country! Hate symbol!
@J C really interesting story.
That was way more interesting than the history of a flag has any right to be ^^
+Niki Herl Ha! Thanks!
only if you prefer half truths and lies
+Elmur Fud Please do enlighten us.
SHALOM
The Southern Flag has a [ X ] on it , because the [ X ] is the Ancient
Hebrew Letter TAW / TAV [ picture = two crossed sticks ] which means [
Sign, Signal , Monument , Mark ] = SOUTHERN FLAG=SIGN OF THE TRUE
WHITE ISRAELITES / CHILDREN OF YHWH GOD.
sorry bro, came from the Scottish Flag
Thank you! As a teacher, history buff and Southern, I have tried to convey the same information. I also point out that ANYTHING can be used as a vehicle of hate, ie, the Bible and the KKK. Note: Have you examined the history of the KKK and the timeframe/conditions of slavery in the northern states? Enjoyed!
And see that's where people don't believe anything that the north owned slaves I fly both flags with honor of my families heritage yes being racial to someone of black or Hispanic culture is wrong yes that is correct I don't judge people by they're skin color I just people on how they judge me I have had plenty of civil conversation's with people of black and Hispanic cultures over a cup or 2 of coffee about both the flags the American flag and confederate battle flag and we just sit down and have a good ol cup of coffee and have a few laughs and talk about how messed up when slavery was happening on both sides of the war and people don't realize is that the south didn't send ships to get slaves they bought them that's one thing the slave ships was Union slave ships
As a brown American this is my 7th time watching this clip🇮🇱🇩🇴🇯🇲🇪🇭🇺🇲
@@rebelgaming7718 you never learned how to punctuate? What is your native language?
@@rebelgaming7718 one thing people always seem to forget or not know is the KKK used the American flag at rallies also but this seems to be forgotten and not believed but there are photographs of rallies where the us national flag is being used! Now no one is calling that a symbol of hate are they
@@stevehalling816 Or how the KKK has used the Church flag in some instances, but so should a flag representing Church be seen as racist because the KKK used once or twice? I don't think so. So the same with the Confederate Flag, and ask any Southerner what the Confederate Flag means to them, they'll probably say 'Southernern pride/heritage' Etc... But my point is meanings to flags can change. The flag dosn't have to mean something racist, it can literally just stand for southeren pride, for all southereners, for all people, regardless of color.
I knew this about the flag, but it was wonderful to see such a well made and thought out video. Excellent explanations from both gentlemen being interviewed. Thank you.
Was that "confused battle" image from the battle at bull run? I just did a bunch of research on that battle, really interesting moment at the start of the war.
yep the south could have immediately after bull run stormed D.C. and had a good chance at winning but out of respect general lee said we will not fight a war like that and declined the 8 mile advance into the oval office
Bull Run, must be a yank. Battle of Manassas.
@@memerant.tumblr2657 said it simply for clarification just like i say the war of northern aggresion but its faster and easier to type civil war
The first battle of Bull Run confusion was on many levels not just the flag. Uniforms also caused confusion. But the biggest reason was inexperience of those in the battle as it was early in the war.
I should have done it
When you ignore the past,
You forget the lessons learned.
The Confederate flag is a flag that represent losers, and what do losers do? "THEY LOSE"!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
It’s not ignoring the past, read a book, go to a museum. Acknowledge where we have been and where we are going. We are not pro segregation, we are about equality and equal opportunity. Unfortunately this flag does not represent that therefore it’s disrespectful to the lives lost under it as well as the African Americans/Natives who have died under the confederacy and enslaved. It’s a symbol of being ok with racism and segregation. Let’s acknowledge it, educated ourselves and not glorify it. That’s all
@@mirandamartin3280 tf u mean not pro segregation? Youu needs do research tf
Julien Johnson that flag was used during the segregation era when people were upset that blacks were going to start going to school with whites. You needS to do research. With that being said America today isn’t about segregation obviously.. so the confederate flag is racist and promoters division and non inclusiveness. I’ve confused on what you’re not understanding. Maybe you need to read a book or gain some comprehension skills.
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This showed me that not only do words evolve, but so do symbols.
Honestly as a teen who has the flag on almost everything I own this was the best video on different opinions and how the flag changed over time I was raised in the south an was taught it ment family Heritage and just being a good Ole rebel an the conversations with many people on this topic some good an some bad but we all came to an understanding an respected each other's opinion
I don't believe the confederate flag will be able to get away from being called racist, but I do believe it is heritage. I don't need someone's approval to honor my ancestors.
Honor your relatives for being treason and insurrectionist against the very nation as we know it? Is that noble and proud? That means you support what they was fighting for.
@@gregorywillis8400 whether you like it or not, those were American veterans and American fallen.
@@gregorywillis8400 and they weren't fighting for slavery. Just above 1% of southerners owned slaves.
@@LoneWolf-countryrapper What they were fighting for Lone Wolf?
@@gregorywillis8400 they were fighting for freedom. A lot of people don't know this, but under Lincoln, the south was paying just under 80% of taxes and tarrifs in the country.
Good job explaining this with an unbiased view, I really expected more liberal bias saying everyone who flies the flag is racist. Most of the time people don't even mention it representing rebellion. It's obviously a very controversial flag, but it's important to be objective and informative, good job.
GA born and raised. Navy Veteran. That flag should have stayed rolled up and putaway like originally intended. Never forget our history, but it is not the American flag and shouldn't be reveled as such.
Was it not part of the American Civil War? Part of the history of America. Also a Navy vet. Its a flag who cares if people fly it. People fly national german working party flags because they don't know history.
@Zachary Hare dont care if you burn flags or anything as long as your not break the law go for it. I even agree with civil disobedience to get the point across.
It ain’t comin down
AGREED
More atrocities happened under America's flag than the "confederate" flag.
In the 90’s, the Confederate Battle flag in Germany was the symbol of rockabilly.
Well done, The Good Stuff! Sadly, it's all too rare to find someone who examines this issue without trying to whitewash the heritage of this divisive symbol. Love the factual, objective approach! :-D
I keep thinking 'fun with flags' by Sheldon
I don't care what anybody says I will always love that Confederate flag people are always going to talk s*** about it I don't think it's a bad flag at all
Racist? Or just opposed to " mixing?" Pro Trump, I'm guessing.🤔
I always grew up viewing it as they said in the 70s and 80s and just being a rebel not a racist or even southern pride (being a northerner) and never thought about it again until recently in the news so videos like this that are objective great and informative. Good job.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!! My biggest issue all along has been peoples lack of knowledge of the actual history of it so this video is a blessing to me, lol. Again, THANKS!
The flag is still racist but okay💀
In Brazil, Santa Barbara O'Desta (Hope I spelled that correctly) the COnfederate Exiles still have a day celebrating the Confederate flag and all are welcome!
James Tunstall that's because Confederates moved to Brazil, bread with the population and spread Confederate ideals to the people
* Santa Barbara D'Oeste
@@augustinedaudu9203 Very interesting... Now that one fact I wasn't aware of. Do you recall when they expatriated to Brazil?
Thank you for this, you have definitely cleared things up.
The same ppl saying there's only one anthem,are the same ones waving the Confederate flag.
Im sorry but saying this flag is not related to racism is ludicrous, the southern states wanted the US to stay segregated, they created the flag to distinguish themselves from the states that wanted unity. So how can the flag not symbolize racism? It is not about the flag itself but the history behind it.
Thank you for creating this. This is extremely insightful, informative and objective.
Yes, the Confederate flag can be removed from racism, I fly it as a symbol of Southern Heritage
So what's your heritage?
Disagree with your analysis. Ninety five percent of white southerners didn't own slaves and were fighting for southern independence not slavery. Current complaints about the flag are mostly an attempt to extract unwarranted money and benefits from society for a bogus issue. Robert Castello Dixie General Store Heflin Alabama
Thank for keeping this straight and unbiased
I personally believe that, if the Confederacy had won, they would've adopted the Confederate battle flag due to its unique design and cultural significance for them.
if the confederacy had won, your racist a$$es would still be good and happy.
There is nothing wrong with history or any battle flag,the problem is when you use history for hate. Give this battle flags the respect they deserve and dont confuse history with hate.
They missed the fact that this flag is based on the Scottish cross of St Andrew seen in the Scottish national flag in white on Blue background. The motif also appears on the national; flag of Jamaica West Indies, with a different color scheme. So, why might that have come about? The USA (as with other former British colonies in the new world) were largely populated by "Scots Irish" - These people migrated from Northern Ireland. Scottish in ancestry, Presbyterian protestant in their faith, devoted to, and successful in their entrepreneurial activities. Their influence on the development of the USA in the early 19th century, cannot be overstated.
As a proud supporter of the rebel flag, I can say I bring no hate. 99% of us are truly just proud to support where we grew up
So do you support the confederacy or just their flag?
As a black person I think the flag looks pretty cool. I think people should fly whatever flag they want for whatever reason they want. Flags are like words, they don’t hurt. This is why I don’t have a problem with it.
@@devildog1534 Yeah the flag does look cool
@@TrafficPartyHatTest IMO, CSA was led by a bunch of rich shits that got poor southerners killed because of their elite interests. I support the dead who had no slaves but fought to protect the land, for that reason I support the battle flag that went home with them, but I don't support the CSA nor the stars and bars.
Excelente explicação!.. Obrigado por postar.
To vendo aqui e mesmo depois desse video ainda não consigo chegar a uma conclusão, o assunto é realmente muito complexo.
Loved this video 📹 hit every point. Thanks guys. Hope to see you in the future.
As a black person I don’t see a problem with the flag. I actually think it looks pretty cool. I think people should be able to fly whatever flag they want for whatever reason. A flag is like words, they don’t hurt.
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@@Exxperiment626 am I telling a lie? 😆
Bruh... words can hurt 😂. I agree with the African American Historian that it should be in an museum.
I'm diggin' this playlist.
What?
This was a wonderfully un-biased video!
Heritage not hate
Very well done, thank you for clearly this flags history up.
very informative, its been a bothering topic for a while!
Definitely the most interesting video you've done, excellent work guys!
Well I don't have time to read every single comment but I'll tell you what my dad told me from the right bottom corner to the left top corner is seven stars up and from the right top corner to the left bottom corner is seven stars down (7 up) (7down) GOD created the world in 7 days even though there are 7 up and 7 down there are still only 13 stars on the flag the middle one counted twice but 13 the 12 apostle's and +1JESUS CHRIST =13 and that's what was taught in our home about that sacred flag
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Fascinating!! Thx! 🙏🇺🇸
Great mini-doco. Thanks guys.
Even as a kid I knew it as a rebel flag because I was obsessed With the dukes of hazzard show and I always correlated the flag with individuality. But that quickly changed when a fellow school mate of mine called me racist for having the general Lee hotwheels. I didn't even know what racism was that day until my parents sat me down and explained more in detail. I still see it more as a sign of rebellion in the sense of like being alternative; to go against the status quo for individuality but I learned that no matter how much truth you put into history some like have a blindside which I can understand.
Well Lynrd Skynard flew the flag for the exact same rrason cause Brits called them Yankees. But even they realized years later that the flag is garbage and even spoke it on the documentary. So do people finally wise up, or do true racist just denounce Skynard???? That's a tough one for white folk. LMAO
I think the Confederate Flag is particularly unusual in the way that its portrayed so differently by different sections of society, and in many ways it makes it unique. To society as a whole, the image, whether or not it is considered good or bad is unusually divisive, and less so in other flags. For example, the majority of people would probably consider the Swastika as a negative symbol whereas the Stars and Strips as a positive one. I guess its got something to do with just how much was at stake by all parties in the civil war at that time for it to have become so in-bedded in southern culture.
Thank you for looking into this issue objectively and showing how its meaning changed over time. I am Texan and I dislike displaying the flag because I always associate it with the negative connotations, such as how it has been used in defense of racism and has always been on the wrong side of history.
What will you do when they come for that Texas flag "on the wrong side of history". Can't wait, should be too funny to hear.
"...I wouldn't fly it mainly because there is no need to fly it for any other purpose." Always remember to stand when you hear Dixie played. Reason enough. You can have your ideas and I'll have mine. Makes sense but especially if those few others leave the most of us alone.They are the source of all troubles.
Matthew Chenault i think u are a flippin fruitcake. The American flag is a symbol of freedom / liberty! . . THIS family is full of veterans that fought to help PROTECT these freedoms...which includes YOUR liberty as well.
I found a Confederate flag in my hometown in germany and I knew it was meant for something negative but not really knew what it meant
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@@jdredneck2755 the clique is everywhere huh 😂👋
@@luisat431 lol of course!!!
I think the way the flag looks it's cool. The x and the color !
Yeah, the flag is pretty nice to look at. However that's all of the good I have to say about them.
As a black person I agree. That is one beautiful flag.
Americana, Brasil shows that the N.Va. battle flag has been separated from racism. I agree with the man who said that flags flying on personal property should be left alone, though they send a distinct message of probable racism. Museums are fine places to display the flag, but the Confederate flag should NEVER fly at state buildings, nor should it fly at equal height to the United States flag.
I come from a very small, southern town. We have a total of one black family, a few Hispanics, and a handful of Egyptians. There are lots of things wrong with our home, but we aren't a wholeheartedly bad place. Our Muslims and copious amount of drug dealers and achololics get more shit flung at them than our black neighbors.
Our town, named Union, funnily enough, is a Confederate town. We have a statue dedicated to Robert E. Lee, in the center of what used to be the battleground of the Civil War.
I know lots of people that wave the rebel flag, hang it on their walls, or have blankets of it, but I don't know a single person younger than thirty that is racist. That's not to say hate doesn't exist, because it does, and is a terrible thing, but to say that just because something offends you it is wrong, doesn't make your opinion right. Poodles offend me, but I'm not sending off a petition to destroy the breed.
My best friend growing up was mixed, and my favorite cousin is too. The Egyptians are my boss and coworkers. I don't care if your a purple transgendered otherkin rhinoceros, and the Rebel Flag doesn't remind me of hate.
I look at the stars and bars and think of all the things that really define the south. Its rolling farms and herds of cows, the Kentucky Derby and NASCAR, NASA and Disney World, lemonade stands and catching fireflies. Trucks, beer, and skinning dipping. Playing in the creek, hunting, hikes through the Kaleidescope of the woods in fall. Campfires and stars. The real things that you can't get sitting in your plush office, or living in your overpriced, cramped apartment.
Its about family and history, pride and arrogance, of belonging and somehow still being different. Why everyone tries to pull out the negative side, I don't understand. Nothing is perfect, black or white. The flag certainly has a dark past, but it can be more than that too.
When I see a rainbow, or rainbow colored anything, I think 'rainbow' long before I think gaypride. The two don't have to be one and the same, why should it be that way with our flag? I do agree that it shouldn't be something flaunted on public property, but neither should 'In God We Trust' be plastered anywhere, nor should a child be forced to say 'One Nation, Under God'.
Its an ideological issue. In the same sense, the Nazi flag doesn't make me think of the Holocaust, but maybe that's just me. In either case both flags are prettier than the US flag. The Union Jack is gorgeous though. XD
The world would be better if people like you come to exist every day. Bless ya.
One Nation, One flag. Confederation flag should only be seen in the museum.
Finally a very well explained video, thank you. I finally understand.
I think it's quite sad how the flag has been abused... It should be redeemed somehow
+sleaf6 A good start would have been for it to never have been created in the fight to ensure the right of slavery.
The war was not about slavery
It was for more than just slavery, but since slavery is such a big issue that's all people care about
sleaf6 It wasn't about taxes or tariffs. The declarations of secession said it was about slavery. Were the secessionists wrong about why they seceded? Do you not believe them when they say slavery was the reason?
Do you mind showing me?
That was a very well done video, like how you gave both sides of story without saying "oh is such a racist thing!" Good job I personally am I favor of the flag because to me it means the heritage of my family and also like how it just represents the people who actually fought and not the government standings of the cofedricy (witch every knows what it was) and way over half didn't own slaves. If I could take the flag from the KKK I would in a heartbeat.... I would have a problem if it where the national flag that was up there but the battle flag I don't especially because it is right by the confedete SOLDER memorial.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for so objective and unbiased!
I’m getting a confederate flag and hanging it up in my room
Genuine question, why?
Racist
Last name is lynch are you surprised she’s doing it
because They fantasize about another Civil War.
P P P you’re a racist
Every time you said The Southern Cross; I thought of the constellation that is featured on the Australian and the New Zealand flags (and probably other nations in the southern hemisphere.)
The Southern Cross means Australia and New Zealand to me. But I’m not American.
Lol.
For a non American this video is very valuable, it is very interesting. Thanks!
I think the black man who said the confederate flag should stay in the museum is right to a degree. It has been used so much and also abused and no one (as of today who are younger) don't know the complexity of the flag. But as a southerner who loves my region I respect the confederate flag and I know some black folks around me do as well. But it just depends on what a particular person uses that flag for: it's original purpose, racial purposes, or just using it for the cool factor. I think the flag should be respected as what it was made for, the battlefield. People can fly it in their backyards for whatever, but if it's for anything negative like against blacks or just being misinformed about it, I would reconsider that person flying it.
The flag to me has always represented the region of the country I was born and raised in. I’m a southerner. Most of us are good people. We have a few nut jobs but that goes for any group of people.
The Flag has A Big Place It Is American History!
Lilithofeden1 Yup gotta love the CSA backstabbing the union
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Macped the Union was being a tyrannical government to the southerners. Like how the democrats are being a tyrannical to the entire country today.
Spencer-Get an education
Spencer Coonway so black lives don’t matter?
Whenever I see that silly looking flag the word losers come to mind. The Confederate flag represents losers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
1:30, look at the 51st state of Lake Michigan. Water is probably cleaner than in Michigan.
Poor Puerto Rico. Will always be waiting...
+Azivegu Puerto*. That isn't happening anytime soon, most of the people here don't know what they want.
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sorry, will correct xD
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And poor Washington DC. A region set up specifically not to be a state, leaving its residents in an awkward situation of their representation in Congress and governing what would otherwise be state level issues.
+Azivegu Puerto Rico is just maintaining their sweet spot, they don't have to pay taxes to the US government but still receives protection, training, and most of the advantages of being a US state, the only thing they don't get is representation; then again they also aren't as greatly impacted by the federal government as a state. They got a better deal than the Native Americans, their reservations are semi autonomous nations under the federal government but they don't get the option of representation or statehood and the federal government is still chipping away at their culture, lands, and everything as the tribes continue to be choked out like the government planned to do even before the Civil War started. Those who aren't choked out will end up so integrated into the white man's society that they won't even know they had a different culture and history and some day the history books will only say some savages used to live here, attacked the settlers after a while, and were destroyed. In school the history teacher just kind of brushed over the history of the Native Americans, I think there might have been a half a page dedicated to them in the history book and the history teacher just kind of brushed over it real quick and moved on; they weren't even on the test. Even the history of the area I'm in now says that there wasn't anybody living here even though the whole state is named after the tribe; of course the last person from that tribe died in the 1970s I believe so they just kind of pretend they never existed now. The state of Missouri is named after a Native American tribe though. I didn't find that in the history books, I found that through my own research. There's not a lot written about them sadly and most people in this state don't even know why Missouri is called Missouri; they assume it's because of a river half the time and don't even know why the Missouri river is called the Missouri river.
Joshua Johns Have you heard of paragraph breaks? I get lost reading you first discussing Puerto Rico, only to end discussing Missouri. It is interesting, but difficult to read.
Its a matter of what you see in the flag. If some see hate that's their feelings. If others see heritage it's their right. So how can the anti flag people tell the others that they aren't free to have their thoughts of heritage
This was very well done. Thanks.
Really tough to accept the flag as a strict symbol of heritage when three times in history it has been used by groups who openly see African Americans as an inferior people. We're not talking three off-hand small times either.
+Bart Bols Sorry to barge in, but yes, religion should have no special place in society, either.
If you want to assert Christianity in some monocular view like those who believe the confederate flag stands for heritage and nothing else then yes, yes we should.
Christianity (like all religious beliefs) can divide people just as well as it can bring them together and is responsible for plenty of bloodshed. No argument here.
+Bart Bols Theism has no real place in a modern society. Just like racism, and in turn what most people call the confederate flag.
+Bart Bols Yes.
but you also gotta see that a bunch of Nascar fans flying it might be racist. Be open minded. Obviously, if you see a bunch of hooded white people flying it, they're racist, but all some people ask is that you don't assume everyone flying it is racist
i love how this was not biased it was real history
As a southerner who is a supporter of the Confederate flag this was a very good video. I may not have agreed with it all but I liked it nonetheless.
Excellent video! Clears it up very well.
That flag should only be displayed in a museum.
the confederate flag has only been used in memorial and respect for history by the southern states, south Carolina didn't need to take down its flag, because it was a memorial, it was also appropriately lower than the state and national flag.
I'm Hispanic it's all about Southern Pride !!!
Hispanics fought in the confedracy
Must mexicanas fought for the south than the north
Pepe Quintero well, it's pretty hard not to fight when a nation literally has you at gunpoint and can easily enter your capital so course you're going to be forced to help them similar to how Hitler Force Jews to fight in his army
TheShop with Marcus
I'm Hispanic and I've been called a Jew for my curly hair by a dude with a USMC shirt.
Dicks come in all sizes.
I for one think the flags are mostly a pride thing nowadays. Most racists keep their crap on the down low.
Plus, knowing how racist the Union and Lincoln was himself, I laugh when northerners act like the south were the only racists. All of America was unjustly cruel to even some whites, let alone people of color, for many decades after the civil war.
But reminding people to that would make the north look less perfect so we got to ignore it and say only the backwards south could be racist.
KiriUzu well, the north was trying to abolish slavery in the border states, however the Confederates no effort to do such a thing, that's the reason why the British French and almost every other European nation hated their side and didn't fight for them
I find the irony of a “patriotic” person to fly this flag simply because the Union won, even Pokémon Go has lasted longer 😂
I think this today that flag represents a rebellion of people who didn’t lay down to the union. And keep watching Texas that flag is gonna fly proudly again
Very interesting! What I miss is a reference to the Christian roots of the „Southern Cross“ which was derived from the Scottish Saint Andrew‘s cross.
I was hoping to hear more of that as well.
I'm going to get myself in trouble I don't understand why everybody's getting mad about our history and anything else that happened defying was there and from what I've seen it was just military Yahoo let's go
The Confederate battle flag is called the "Rebel" flag for a fact
The official political flag was known as the stars and bars, but the battle flag was known as the Dixie cross
Thank you! I'm doing a paper on this subject and this was refreshingly objective and easy to follow.
Same
KEEP IT FLYING!!!
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Thank you for creating this.
Thanks for information about the Confederate flag I never knew, I'm from the north and I love American history
01:30 buddy you forgot (purposely) a whole bunch of other states. Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky, Virginia, Oklahoma territory, Carolinas, Missouri, Southern AZ and New Mexico
They were showing a few of them,not to exclude the others but in example
Jtan2010 these were first states in the confederate. Think of them as the first 13 colonies
It belongs in a museum with all context included including those have have used it in hate Germany got rid of it flag for being a symbol of hate and did not make lame history excuses, you can see that flag in a museum in Germany probably describing it as a dark time in history because that where history belongs.
Afterward, it was passed by the state legislature on January 6, 2021, and it became the official state flag of the U.S. state of Mississippi on January 11, 2021.[2][3][4] It replaces the previous flag that displayed the Confederate battle insignia in the upper left hand corner, which was retired on June 30, 2020
I wonder what the Confederate Battle Flag would look like if they one the Civil War and got all the states we have today.
I will proudly fly my American flag And My Confederate flag 🇺🇸💪
I am getting a lot of mixed messages here but I'm not going to stop you
@@TrafficPartyHatTest he’s a happy southern man, let him be
Very good presentation. However, I was looking for the connection, if there is one, with the Cross of St. Andrew on the Scottish flag. The influence of the Scots-Irish people on the founding and development of the country being so profound, it is my supposition that the Stars and Bars is derived from the unique transverse cross of St Andrew. This cross also appears in on the flag of Jamaica, West Indies.
Absolutely; it is a CHRISTIAN FLAG PERIOD.
Excellent work gentlemen.
On point... About history.
On civil war....well done...
It's controversial because people ran out of horse crap to be offended by.
Thomas blame breenewsome
Baron von Bullshit Did you not watch the video? The flag has has different meanings throughout time. Some that represented racism, but other times represented Southern culture. It is not so clear cut like you make it seem.
Nicholas Warner "other times Southern culture" or specifically the culture of certain WHITE Southerners who were/are either bigoted or ignorant of the flag's history.
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no. the flag has signified racism on about three different occasions
Baron von Bullshit You sir have a name that perfectly fits your personality!
Freedom of speech dictates that you can say what you like and display anything you like as long as it does not advocate violence. The Confederate battle flag is just a statement by the individual. It is not a statement of history per se. The individual must take responsibility for his actions.
Very interesting indeed, I was never aware of all the many different Confederate battle flags
TY!! Well done! Have you made vid on Gadsen flag?? That's a complicated one!
Well.. the flag does sort of represent a separation of this nation at one point. Which is bad.
And it really isn't relevant is it? I mean do we use it in battle now?
Is there any confederate Olympians? Just honest questions
Southerners who go to war for these United States should be able to fly it don’t you think? I mean they are risking there life for the right to be able to fly whatever flag they want.
Nick Lionberger but why view yourself as something other than American? I’m confused as to why Southerners feel as if they live in a different nation. It’s the United States is it not?
But NY is also part of America. As is Buffalo. And El Paso. And Memphis and Casper and Atlanta etc etc You are all Americans to the rest of us so why pretend like you’re not?
greg sheppard so just so for my understanding. Americans would rather go to Civil War again because they don’t want to fly any other flag in their country? Mexicans are foreigners so I get why they fly their flag. But the United States already has one flag, why do you need two? Such a strange concept.
greg sheppard but the South is in the United States of America? You all have State Flags for regions
Its the battleflag! Not even the right flag! The original confederate flag is similar to the us flag but has fewer bars and 13 stars it was changed to the more controversial version to avoid friendly fire. Also if hate groups didn't use it to represent their hate then there would be no problem, America needs to smarten tf up!
Yeah well I think it’s the hate groups that need to smarten up.
Thanks for this a bunch of people were telling me different things about it and I got confused
Oh , and by the way ,
it is so revealing , how many commenters are "happy" over the "neutral" explanation of this flags "history" !!!