Area 419 Zero Press First Thoughts
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
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16:22 "Chuck Norris press, the press doesnt flex, the bench flexes under the press" it made me laugh
Glad I could make you smile. But it's really true and the first thing that came to mind.
The way you explain how this expensive piece of equipment is supposed to work makes the most and the way other's before you explained, is a night and day difference!!! I just passed it off as high end luxury reloading tool and I'd stay with what I'm using but, now I see where the value is! Thanks
Thank you and I appreciate the kind words. Glad it helped.
@@FClassJohn I'm not an FClass shooter, long range shooter/hunter, and one can learn a lot from you guys!
I am just an average shooter and reloading, I enjoy spend time with this press, I bought 1 extra turret and love it .
Looking forward to your next video on this. Currently using a t7, and can see quite a few things this has over the redding already. Will be interesting to see your results!
I've already been working on it and should have videos soon.
All of my firearms & reloading related purchases in 2019 & early 2020 all seem like genius purchases now, even something as plain as a couple bricks of primers. The good old days.
Great review I need to retire my rock chucker and was torn between the T7 and the Zero.
Seems like the best press out there. I’m slowly trying to upgrade my gear a little at a time. Just ordered the AMP annealer so it’ll be a while before I can muster the capital to get a Zero, but it’s on the list.
My Zero arrived today! I also had them send the seating anvil and an extra turret. I mounted the press on an InLine top plate which anchors into a flush mount base. Setup was simple and intuitive.
Keep us posted
I like dealing with area 419 so well, after I purchased two muzzle brakes, I seen they stocked the atlas bipods. So I ordered one of them from area 419 also
Yeah they're good people.
Christmas lasts long in your country. Nice gear
I've machined a big lock ring on my lathe to have something perfectly square. After making some tests it didn't gave any improvements. The free floating method improved the squareness of my cases and also the concentricity ('O' ring between the press and the lock ring just lightly tightened).
Great review. I was curious about how press was designed to have zero run out versus free floating. I’m glad you touched on that.
Thank you and glad you enjoyed it.
Great video! Seems like a solid press but not sure it's worth the coin personally. I would like to see someone compare the quality of ammunition of this press vs a coax. Kinda tough to justify the 3x cost based off features for me.
Thanks for the info. I’m in line somewhere.
Thanks for your take. I ended up selling my t7 because of the deflection you spoke of (still a great press however). Strictly using my coax now. Area 419 makes awesome products but, imo, having to unlock and lock the turret doesn't add any more convenience to the process than what one would essentially have with a coax. Interested in hearing other opinions on that; since deep down, I really want the 419. Edit: I'll add that I really miss the priming system on the t7.
Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I guess the biggest thing is that it's not a turret in the same sense so it's hard to compare. It's more like a really precise single stage with a turret on top rather than a multi-stage press. And yeah, missing the priming process is something others have mentioned as well.
I gotta get me one of these precision engineered made in America Area 419 Turret press
So I've had mine for a couple weeks and love it except I think I got a defective one it has alot of play in the linkage and rubs like crazy.. I've been in contact with area419 so hopefully they take care of it
If one has the cash lying around, why not but other than that I stay with Dillon, have invested in so many accessories to change presses now, if anything I have added some Lee single turrets presses which works really well at a fraction of the price, but this is a really nice looking press.
I ordered the Big Dog Steel stand for my Zero... still waiting on the stand, but I want to use t track on my bench top... my t track uses 3/8” bolts. Can you tell me will that be too big to fit in the holes on the stand??
John, thanks for your interesting early thoughts on the press. It’s a superb piece of machinery. As you mention, Area 419 intend it to be used in effect as a single stage press but with the added facility of having an array of pre-set dies in the carousel - this of course means processing batches of cases through each station rather than a single case going through several dies - then repeat - as with a true turret press. I can appreciate the concept of the press & the advantage (over a normal single stage press) of keeping dies set but how do you personally reconcile the prospect of moving to manual batch processing of cases (on effectively a single stage press) with your previous thoughts on the speed & automation advantages of using a Dillon XL750?
I’m not knocking either method as they both work - I’m just curious if in the long run you think the Area 419 press will give you sufficient benefits (plus what the benefits may be) to make up for the loss of speed/automation which you’d valued so highly - or will you revert to your Dillion?
Thanks for the thorough question. I'll definitely be covering this topic through several videos soon. Hopefully as I go through it I'll be answering your question as others have had the same one albeit in different ways.
Unless we can produce repeatable more accurate ammo, I would say it's a glorified T-7. I would love to see a Video that takes a look at what it produces. Thank you for taking time and trying to help us.
scientific Dillon vs Zero vs Co Ax test on paper at 600 or 1000 yds?
Would be cool to see! But that sure is a lot of work on John's end.
This would be neat.
@@jetthreat5000 5-10 of each should be enough
@@kenthall6584 our core focus with the ZERO wasn’t being able to load ammo that shoots a single fantastic group. Many, many presses can do that. We want you to be able to load ammo that consistently shoots small, day to day, week to week, month to month through a year/season. As most competitors have seen, that’s a lot easier said than done.
Be intered to see how concentric the ammo is vs Dillon
I think if you look at it from a time and motion point of view the method you describe would be the most efficient
I want to get a area 419 with mighty armory dies. It doesnt sound like it's for bulk reload but its gives you amazing results with good dies. I bet doing a couple hundred for a match will get old fast. I love single stage but it's so slow in my eyes.
I have 2 things on my from me to me list, this is one... the other is the AutoTrickler V4.
Good review. Can you give your thoughts on the accuracy gained versus the time loss compared to your Dillon with the auto drive?
I honestly haven't loaded enough on it yet to say. I'm hoping to get out to the 1000yd line in the next week or two and do some testing and that's where things should really shake out for me. But FWIW, it's like taking a breath when I use the Zero. As much as I love the Dillon/Autodrive setup, I have found myself tense while loading because you have a lot of mechanical things going on so while faster, it's more stressful than using the Zero. I feel like I have a better connection to my ammo and ultimately a little more confidence. Does that make sense? Plus very low maintenance now compared to my other setup.
This or a T-7 are more like what I would expect you and Erik to be reloading on. I can’t see how you can get the most precise ammo with a progressive press. There are too many things to watch for and things to get slightly out of whack whereas a single stage (turret) allows you to monitor every bit of each process. I would love to see a head-to-head between the Area 419 and the T-7 to see if it’s worth four times the cost.
A progressive with auto drive is more consistent. Brass dwell time inside the die is exactly the same, ram pressure is exactly the same. They're just as capable of making precision ammo as a turret or single.
The Zero (or T7) are definitely what people think of for precision ammo but progressives are capable albeit with a lot more work, patience and oversight. But the thing I'm really liking about the Zero is that I don't feel I'm sacrificing too much from a progressive for what I load, as it's a lot faster and smoother than I anticipated, but I'm gaining way more single step control which I think is ultimately what people are looking for when they try to load precision ammunition. Every person has a different personal style, need or ability so having an option like the Zero opens a new market which is great.
@@Adcomb This is what I was thinking of recently when I was loading on my progressive press, when the neck expander is getting pulled you get a bit of jerkiness which might result in powder drop being slightly off whereas if the auto drive was doing the work, it would go smoothly resulting in more consistency.
waiting for mine to arrive
woohooooooo
The holy grail
Great video!
Which die do you use to hold the gagepins? Am looking for one aswell. Thanks!
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Love area 419 products but don't see where this fits in anyone's reloading lineup. $1200 aluminum turret press.
With respect, you can’t be the judge of everyone’s reloading requirements though.
Honestly this is for the guy who's after as much consistency as physically possible in a press without going to arbor. Will it make a difference in the rifle? I don't know, but it certainly doesn't hurt. It'd be ideal for the guys doing serious scientific testing like SAC did for seating depths on the Berger 105's.
John thanks as always for a great videos. Question, why do you run 2 different pin gauges in your process?
I like having the option of either .283 or .284 on my gage pins. I use the .284 before powder/seating and the .283 one is often for after sizing if I want to uniform the necks before trim/chamfur.
@@FClassJohn thank you for the info. I really love the channel keep doing your thing buddy.
Why not decap on a separate press just to keep the 419 cleaner?
Case feeder on the Dillon? Maybe your rifle cartridge won't work with a case feeder, I can't recall. Anyway, I'd think that keeping the decapping process somewhere else might be desirable.
Good show John.
Decapping on the Zero is super clean compared to other presses because of how it was designed. I'll be showing that process in another video soon.
John,
When you mounted the ZERO to the Big Dog press stand did you use the mounting plate that came with the press? Mounting the bench plate to the press then mounting that assembly to the stand?
Correct, you have to use both together.
they must be selling these things cause right now they are unavailable! Love the company too,,may be just slightly biased because they are in the middle of my old stomping grounds growing up.
spent many days wetting a line in the maumee river near gr!
But can it use the 1 1/4" dies like for the .375 CT?
yes you can get a turret that will accept the 1 1/4" dies
Proof is in the pudding. Interesting to see if it makes your ammo more accurate than Dillon750. Make a comparison video👍
How’s the o ring holding up inside the shell holder ?
It only applies a small of pressure directly to the bottom of the shellplate, I can't see it really wearing out anytime soon. The good news is that if it ever needs to be replaced it's super easy to do so.
So you can set crush in the priming station?
I don't use the Lee primer on there anymore, it just wasn't working great for me long term and wasn't consistent.
Many new toys this year 🤣
We can only hope....😂
WHY THE 720 RES?
What brand of bullet pointer are you using?
Accuracy One
I reallybwant one
Why can't I get your Patreon Videos (I'm signed up I thought)
They're on Patreon, not CZcams. When you log in to it you'll see them. It just launched so there's only a couple so far.
@@FClassJohn Thanks John - I thought I was on Patreon. I'd replied to your CZcams video about it. I'll look again
@@davidnelson6603 Ok let men now if you still don't see anything.
I liked your presentation and information. Regarding the press, it's going to be a pass. It is far too expensive for what it delivers and what is needed.
Cost too much....love my Redding T7
What bullet puller is that?
Hornady like this one amzn.to/398H0dm
Refreshing to hear "on nitro" instead of on steroids.
It's the 80''s child in me 🤗
Chuck Norris press - LOL :)))))))))
Still $1300 in 2023. I can not see how this is worth it.
8:09 i DIED when you said nano-meter xD xD
Here i thought you came from an engineering background, or some higher-education anyway.
its a newton-meter, metric version of the foot-pound.
Thanks for the thorough review!
Oops I'm an idiot, I honestly didn't even release that's what I said, it slipped.😂
@@FClassJohn haha no worries John! I'm sure there's A lot on the mind while filming a review like this.
I wish we never invented the word "and"
What? No gloves!
I've gotten lazy with them plus so many people really hate on them...😔
@@FClassJohn I use them all the time! I knew a guy who reloaded way back who died of led poisoning! *Just to clarify...he didn’t get shot.
That shit cost way too much money... I will keep using my 50 year old rock chucker with zero run out...
Well this did not age well
Doing a review without actually loading a cartridge is useless
cost is way too high !!!!
Love ther stuff but way,way,way,way to much money for ther stuff and services
$1200?! Yaaaa... I'll use a hammer to seat bullets before I spend that kind of money on a press.
Such a fascinating comment.
Such an unintelligent reply... smh
I use a slow hammer (arbor press).
Tons of plain ol iron presses have made sub moa ammo for decades. This is hyper price inflated-marketing designer crap. Totally contrary to the point of the handloader. You'll never make up the cost of the press for the miniscule, immeasurable gain over a $129 Rock chucker. Be glad to put two of these on a bench head to head and reveal no difference in accuracy.
NOPE too much money,,, the company wants to recoup all expenses in the first ten presses sold......
Nanometer, clearly not a clue what you are talking about
Give us a link to your reloading videos then!