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Amps - Do We Still Need Them? (Mooer Micro Preamp Live Review)
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Amps - Do We Still Need Them? (Mooer Micro Preamp Live Review)
Let's take a look at the Mooer Micro Preamp Live, and how it sounds. Can it replace my amp?
The Micro Preamp Live is basically a pedal that houses a bunch of smaller pedals in it, ie. the small Mooer preamp pedals. It also does tone matching, which promises to capture the sound of your amp. Sounds promising. The interesting thing of course is how it sounds. Watch the video to find out.
Here's the Ola Englund video I mentioned: • MOOER PREAMP LIVE - TO...
And here's Paul Davids' video: • Do we still need amps?
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I bought one of these this week. I'm using it as the preamp for my Monoprice 15-watt tube amp. I'm using the 4-cable method so that I can use the Monoprice preamp AND the preamps in the Preamp Live. This is working for me. It takes pedals remarkably well. I have a Fulltone OCD v2.0, Vick Audio '73 Rams Head and Boss MT-2. All three sound great going into the Preamp Live.
I will admit, I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep it. I'm tempted to swap it out for a Strymon Iridium. I realize the Iridium is a bit more limited in terms of the total number of preamps it can reproduce, but it's getting great reviews.
Getting ready to search your site right now to see if you've already reviewed it!
As always, great vid!
Just purchased one and also having issues with the annoying squeel sound when doing the tone matching. Also my Marshall JVM FX loop is very tricky as it is controllable with a blend switch so i havent managed to do a decent setup for a power amp use with Mooer as a preamp either. Have to give it another try today :D
The overdrive/distortion on this modeler has more fizz than a Coca-Cola poured over ice...all my tube amps can rest easy cause they’re not going anywhere...Thanks For The Video Elmo! 🎸🔊🎶🤘🏻
Haha :D Cheers!
Tone match matches the PREAMP section, so of course it will not sound identical when played through the mixer...
Nice Video, did you use the power amp simulation on the preamp live with the same tubes?
I tone matched my carvin v3 amp, and the preamp live sounded then very close to the original!
Cheers! I can't remember anymore. It's been a while since I did the video.
Great video! I was looking for a video that shows how the Mooer Preamp Live performs on a real power amp/ cabinet as opposed to a mixer. This answers everything! Unfortunately for me I am not able to have a real half stack so the Mooer will have to do for now. Would you mind sharing your tone capture? There is a whole community who share captures and I am sure they will love your capture!
Hi Benjamin! Thanks for the kind words. Sorry, I sold my Mooer already, so I can't really share the tone capture :(
@@MrPolevaulter no problem!
Years ago my dad tried using a pod type thing through the PA at a show n his sound in the monitors was alright but out front he was kinda lost in the mix the other guitarist had a 112 fender combo that was very present and in your face in comparison. It was a small show but a pre amp through the PA didn't stand up to an amp in that setting and let's face it most of us play small rooms at best
My Kemper through an ENGL 50x50 Tube Power Amp actually sounds so great that I have not been able to go back to my vintage Plexis. It took me a little bit to dial in my sounds but now in many cases I'm getting better sounds than my plexis. Hard to believe and yes it took me 6 months to convince myself. My old rig consisted of a rack full of pedals that where through a switching system, two vintage Marshalls and a Mesa Dual Rectifier and two Marshall Cabs, dry/wet setup. Used to carry all of it around for the holy grail tone. Now after one year of dialing in I cannot go back. I'm still trying to go back to the old setup but the Kemper with 2 cabs and stereo tube power amp has replaced 3 heads and a rack full of stuff.
Cool stuff! I used to use the Axe-FX II, but I've since gone back to the Plexis. Have to try out a Kemper.
kemper is the king of amps.nothing can beat the kemper.
I am going to have to try the AxeFx. I've tried the Kemper and it was uite good. There were thousands and thousands of vintage and modern amps you could try by just downloaded capture files which was cool.
I need to try a Kemper at some point.
@@MrPolevaulter It's cool. My cousin lives near Chicago in my northern state. I am in the far south, but on holidays I go see him and all his cool studio gear. He literally started out as a teenager and I had a Japanese flying V I gave him, and he kept at it, and even toured the US several times as a starving artists eating out of McDonalds trash cans, but eventually he was in a band with Moderate success, and he built a small studio, and did great producing and recording other artists and is doing very very well now. He has several vintage tube amps, modern amps such as Rectum-fiers 😂, Engles, Bogners, Marshalls, old Fender Bassman, and loads of guitars and drums. Really expensive compressors and mics, etc, all stuff I don't totally understand, but I am proud of him. 💝👍💝👍..
I have been drooling over your neon green Ibanez. It and the swirled one.
BTW. I think you and Rusty Cooley should have a battle of lead speed contest. 😂😂😂 .. Both of you are forces of nature. Machines, not human when it comes to lead runs, and sweeping, etc. 😂 . You really really are also though quite advanced at song and melody creation and not just guitar playing. I think it's very cool you teach kids. I had the worst music teacher in school of all time. This guy would play piano and make us sing the worst music ever..😂
Take care my friend. Hope it's not as hot there as it is here, and like western Europe from what I hear.
We no longer need amps. But we like amps.
True :)
but we use it in the studio during the recording sessions
why capture the pre-amp and then connect it to a tube power amp because they sound the best
live ?? pre-amp tubes live longer than power ones so no need for me unless somebody using many preamps live
i think there is no need or if you running solid states or transistors power amp this thing is heaven for you , just walk around and capture your friends preamps havem all , they wont sound like the real thing
@@fuckayouman3869 they probably sound at least 70% similar but hei either that or that overrated tube amp shit
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can you make an review and demo two note torpedo cab sim pedals with your yngwie amp?
Maybe. I have too many ideas at the moment, and not enough time :D
great video dud
Cheers!
I Usually like to Use Amps in Stereo, but then I Tried Using an A+B Box With a Mini-Pre-Amp(Moorer Brown Sound 3and 2 Delays into the Board with 2 15 inch P.A. Speakers from Powered Board and My EVH Tube Amp in the Middle with a Slight Digital Reverb on Crunch Channel in the middle, Now that is F'N Fat Sound. Eric Broadbent on the EVH Gear Channel(CZcams) Uses an EVH Amp in the Center and a P.A. with a HELIX in Stereo. Wow, what a Fat Sound!...... I Like the Tone You are Getting with Your Regular Set-Up because it Pushes Air. I would Like to See You Going Through both at Once Using Your Pre-Amp Wet and Your Marshall Dry. But Damn we are always Seeking the Ultimate Sound! Good Subject Today Elmo!
Thanks man :) Yeah, it's a never ending quest.
@@MrPolevaulter I just Bought a Moorer Black Truck, I'll Let You Know What I Think about 7 Analogs in One Stomp Box!
I have this pedal and I’m still learning to get a tone from the thing. Of course we’d all prefer a real amp if possible but in the case where we aren’t able to use one (in my case, church worship band) then we make do with the best sounding di amp modeling pedal we can find.
That's a cool looking box and you make it sound really good. But it still has that fizzy distortion that a lot of modeling systems have.
Cheers! Yeah it does.
Great review and statement Elmo
Cheers!
Sound wise, new technology is pretty much there... but the feel, I personally don’t think so. Regardless, I will use tube amps and mic them the traditional way, as long as I can... just because I can.
Me too.
Being a straight up valve amp lover (Friedman Dirty Shirley) for live use and recording, there is a purpose for pre-amps and modellers where a valve amp is not a feasible option. Simply put , a valve amp is pointless if it cannot be driven at the correct volume in relation to its power.
I get very good sounds out of my Plexis with lower volumes. I don't play loud in my videos. On the other hand, when I record, it's full blast :D
@@MrPolevaulter We both know where the fun is ;) hahaha
Hi Elmo 🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻
I thought it will be comparison of digital vs analogue devices in terms of sound processing ))))
What can I say? I think that we have to divide all musicians in 2 big groups: sessional musicians, who should be able to play everything and know how to reach any sound they have heard, and original performers, who is always in search of their own original sound. In terms of the devices used, these groups are equal, at least at some stage, but over time, the second group finds its original sound and limits itself only to the devices they need, while the first group is forced to continue to use everything that only they are able to find. And there is no any difference what type of devices, digital or analogue, they are using - the main thing is that they found the sound that they need ;)
True, to each his own :)
We still need amps! This thing, and all other similar modelers, need a power amp and a speaker in order to play live or practice with a band for starters. And when the next better model comes out this one will be an expensive door stop but you can have and use effectively a tube amp for decades! And what about latency and "feel" of it? Did you have any issues playing, e.g. did it feel like playing an amp? Most modelers feel like you're playing a "recorded" version of an amp instead of actually playing one. They win in the flexibility part.
It wasn't too bad, but it still felt, and sounded, plasticky (what a word). When played through the Marshall it was OK, but that kind of defeats the purpose.
Modern day preamps and different Audio interfaces are quite good. They are able to match a good amp in quite many aspects. However I feel they tend to be a bit overcompressed and lack the warmth from a properly warmed up tube-amp. This comes to show every time you strike a big chord. The ringing from all six strings just gets better through an amp. I will however acknowledge the fact that this might be a generational issue, #devabättreförr.
But eventhough I merely play by my lonesome in my living room, without any ambitions, I want the best sound my money can get. Hence a tube-amp and a 4×12-cab. Also, the setup looks cool in my livingroom. Also 2, my head has LED-lights. That is to awesome to pass on 😁 #LaneyIronheartFTW.
Interesting topic though. I especially enjoyed step 3 in the comparison. Very academic approach 🙌👌.
Trodde först du hade LED ljus i ditt huvud :D Then I understood :D
@@MrPolevaulter 😂😂😂👏👏. Det ena utesluter inte det ena, Elmo The Freethinker Karjalainen 😉😁
Had to listen again. I tried some tech 21 fly rigs. Man, closest thing I've heard near a real amp. I tried it against a real 1 x 12 dsl 20 and the difference was nil really. The only other I will try will be the Russian made AMT preamps with cab sim.
At my age, I'm so over carrying really heavy amps. I typically carried a 2 x 12 since gigging I didn't like the sound of a 1 x 12 all that well, or had to really turn up the bass to get the right sound. 2 x 12s always just seemed to be the best combo for me, but going direct is a wonderful thing. I'm telling you my friend I think you will dig the Tech 21 fly rig. I've been playing 40+ years and mostly thru tube amps and some solid state amps, but mostly Fender and Peavey tube amps.. Check'em out. I think you will love it. You can get a used tech 21 fly rig for like 175 dollars. Not sure about in Europe though..
I already checked out a FlyRig. I did a video, but it's not out yet.
@@MrPolevaulter Well what ya waiting on my friend? 😂 I'm dying here. 😂😂😂
OK This J Guy, I'm calling you that to differentiate you from all the other "this guys" you know that they'll never beat a Marshall 1987. Thank you for another genuine opinion and video of your wonderful playing, I so look forward to your videos. 😉
Thanks Joe!
so he talk shit about a product and then suddenly he become trustworthy? what?
Loved this review because I being a nerd want tech to work, but they just are not there yet. I played thru my cousins very expensive Kemper and it's very good at capturing the sound, but it's just not the same. Might as well carry the amp. Like you said though, if you want several sounds and or want to go light to a gig ( LIKE ME ) because you're old as hell, then this is pretty good. Maybe because I grew up listening to all these cool old amps that I just can't get past the artificial sound.
Seems like this thing might be good for a travelling musician who typically has access to backlined amps and cabs. I'd be interested in seeing you try this thing with one of those pedal sized solid state power amps, if you have the opportunity.
Sorry, already sold it.
We don’t need amps but on stage we need that vibe and vibration
Sounds like a solid state amp.
Yeah.
i tested 3 micro preamp amps of mooer into my return of my tube amps and sounds amazing.also you can play way better at low volumes if you want to practice at home than any expensive tube amp.
personally i matched with the boss katana 100mk2 and my tube amps just dusting at the corner of my room.i will never power up my tube amps
Not sure why you didn't asses it with a blind test. Because it's the most objective way.
I do think the sound is quite different. But I've heard other samples from other youtubers, and they sound very close.
Because I was alone in the studio. Doing a blind test could have been a bit tricky :D
Make an vigier video. I like that guitar
There's no stuff that can beat the dirtiness of old good preamp and power tubes!
Kemper beats it
What about Boss katana II?
What about it?
katana is a garbage
One more thing that's been on my mind has been the way a guitar reacts to a loud amp as Sposed to a lower volume that just doesn't move the strings even up close
The preamp live sounds way better... More open.
your honesty is appreciated, much better than a Tom "it's great" Quayle sham of a review with never a criticism.
Cheers!
sham of a review? you know he is a salesman guy for Dawson channel right? you dumb fuck
Finally, a CZcams gear video that tells the truth
you just cant handle the truth, you are in denial
Someone else use that question are there video as well the answer would be yes because amplifiers still give true total variety because if you use this as your Source bass tone it's going to sound like everybody else using the same thing so different apps are always going to sound different from each other more or less but if everybody uses the same micro preamp live when everything's going to start to sound the same I enjoy the sound of it I think it sounds great for people recording Direct houses of worship PA Church stuff like that as well I don't know how much the score should they be using but also people are playing at live at a pa or something well but it's still not the same as an amplifier
It sounds great only difference is the power an the sounds of the valves it gets raw.
For that put into a poweramp like mooer tube engine 20w or laney ironheart 15w.
for 300 euros sounds great to me.
and much better than any shitty cheap tube amp.
Sounds like you forgot to turn cabinet emulation on! :D
Nope.
Need versus want ? I know what I want and it's not one of these - It's a Marshall or Orange valve amp head and 4x12. Sadly the wife has other ideas.
Do you really need a wife?
If you get the Marshall or Orange you won't hear her nagging :D
In my opinion the sound of an "amp-module" dipends almost totally by platform it runs. If player finds the right matching between preamp and platform, he can get some good sounds as well. Still a real amp is the best solution. Ciao, Elmo !
Grazie :)
amps for tone are dumb, I still do small shows with a single amp powered with batteries
Forgot to say that a Marshall in a box the size of that pedal would look really silly on top of your stack, that's why YJM had his amp put in a major size box, more is more, haha.
Haha :D True :D
cranked 100w marshalls will always sound better than anything. mainly because of the volume
who saying that????all those people at youtube who saying everything that the reading around???lol you have no idea.the truth is if you cranked up any 100w tube amp will sound like shit.the sweat spot of almost any 100w head is volume around 10 clock.after that the high ends getting moody and bassy.the mids fades and finally you are hearing a distorted sound.do you believe that any famous band cranking up their amps at stage???
1/4 of amps volumes and the PA systems making the job
crank the amp for good sound is a myth
@@xdx2653 czcams.com/video/-_gC2V_nbK8/video.html watch and learn
@@oldtimetinfoilhatwearer learn what???hahaahhha do you like that pixel sound??amazing how good a crank amp sound at 8bit rate
my friend you cant beat the physics laws
@@xdx2653 if you don't like that tone I can't help
The answer is a very loud yes we still need amps after hearing this demo. I've watched 3 demo so far and the tone from this demo is my least favorite
Na..of course we need Amps...what I have seen countless times are bands with one Kemper and one 100 watt head....the 100 watt head allways roasted the Kemper...
this is a lie.kemper can sound 100 times better than any noisy tube amp
Can't beat a real amp and you crack me up either way 🤔😂
Haha :D Thanks!
I need a Amp
It costs $500 over here. I would rather put that towards a nice amp. As a comparison the BOSS 100 watt Katana head is also $500. But I'm not a gigging musician so my needs are very different form a pro's. I'm putting some pennies away for one of the new Fender Tone Masters. Maybe - I've been putting money away for increasingly expensive amps for 2 years now. I may be able to put a nice down payment on a new car in a couple of years!
boss katana is toatally shit my friend.that mooer is 100 times better.personally i running mooer preamp into katana fx return and my katana saved from the garbages coz it sound better than any of my tube amp that i tested with the mooer preamp
We need amps if you want good tone or sound 😜
It has no girth. The top end sounds plastic. Not a bit plastic, very. The flexibility to dial up shit sounds is a waste of time.
Haha :D Yeah.
h a h a
nice playing but, the preamp sounds like shit to me
at other videos that pream amp sounded amazing
Amp is better. So I do agree
but in the road , easy to carry and smaller is better
man Glen Fricker would love to read all the tube amp expert in this channel, the bigotry is OFF THE CHART XDDDDDD
it's laughable
also im pretty sure all the negative comment got deleted cuz SOMEONE wanted to become Rob Chapman no. 2
I’m an old fart and I’m not convinced of the amp in a box yet. All flat and one dimensional damp cardboard.... keep your muscle mass to carry a decent 20W valve head and a 2x12”. Plus real mics properly placed will give more depth and colour than any DSP wizardry. Keep it real, not digitally approximated when live. Agreed this box would probably speed things up when recording.
Don't let your nostalgia deceive you. A lot of the time you would not know the difference between modeling and the real deal.
Jacob Isaacs I agree with you sonically but for me there is a definite lack of feel as a player. Perhaps I should spend more time with one, being controlled by someone who has got the knack. If I were a session player or in a cover band needing a wide palette of styles at the push of a button, I’m sure it’s a no-brainer. We are lucky to have so much choice.
Fizzy just as I expected
more fizzy than any tube amp???i dont think so.with the right speaker it sound warm and beautiful .the celestion creamback 65 will vanish all the fizzy
We do not need amps. Amps are going to be as redundant as VHS video cassette players in a few years. Sell all your amps now whilst they still have a bit of value. My preamp live is superb. The downloads you can get of tone captures (from Facebook groups etc) are phenomenal. The preamp together with the line6 HXFX works beautifully. Enough tones for a thousand lifetimes in a little box. Beware though, people with tube amps etc have self serving contempt for this sort of stuff..they are terrified of it taking over and all the stuff they have invested a fortune in being practically worthless...and rightly so.
"Beware though, people with tube amps etc have self serving contempt for this sort of stuff".
Dead wrong. I've been using the Axe Fx II for a few years now, and I'd be absolutely thrilled if it did what my Marshall does. It's good, but it doesn't have that magic.
@@MrPolevaulter Gibson say the same shit to Les Paul 'SoLid gUiTar iS nO goOd" and then suddenly they kissing Les Paul's ass just like how you and the other tube amp expert here kissing each other's assess..
Magic?!
Bullshit
i totally agree
Tube amps RULE
Yeah :)
A REAL VALVEAMP IS MUCH BETTER - YOU ARE RIGHT !!!!
Yep.
yeah sure
yes sure that mooer sound so bad czcams.com/video/Ii9SUCORS6k/video.html
Discussion like these are nonsense. Do we still need pen and paper with all the smartphones and tablets around? That question had been asked since the dawn of personal computers 4 decades ago. What for? You can't mess with what works. Kids are still taught penmanship. This is a non-issue.
Need a cab IR of the cab you are using there with the Marshall to load into the Mooer. If you do NOT do this the Mooer will have NO chance in hell at getting the same sound. Drrrrrrrr! Learn your gear before making video's of them!