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buh yo, you were the same person who made a shorts vid saying ETH would be a success at Utd and you're saying otherwise. Choose a side.
Atlantis, do you think Ruben Amorim or Poch would be a good replacement for ETH(assuming he gets sacked)
@@jeffreyamankwah5036 what are you talking about? That was two years ago 🤣 “choose a side” mate this is the exact problem. You aren’t even analysing the situation. Just picking a side and not changing your mind. This not how you are meant to develop your opinions
@@youngoriginal03 yeah Amorim would be a good option but I would prefer De Zerbi if I were Chelsea
I agree that people do change the parameters of their argument to suit their opinion. It's clear you just want EtH gone and that's fine, I understand that view point. Personally I'd like to see him given a year under a proper structure that can support a manager. That said, I'm 90% sure he'll be replaced regardless of what happens in the cup final.
As for De Zerbi I have two concerns with him. The first is that he very attached to his tactics and stubbornly will not change them or bend. Meaning he would only be a good fit for United if his ideas and the clubs ideas match up perfectly. As he won't bend to the clubs will. The second is that he is very abrasive and has a history of falling out with players and other key staff at clubs. Which would be a concern. If United are to replace EtH then I feel it has to be with a charismatic character who can get everyone pulling in the same direction. One criticism of EtH that I do agree with is that he can be a difficult character to get along with, and that is something that club should consider when replacing him.
De Zerbi has 7 clubs in 10 years and has just left another after an underwhelming season. Should be nowhere near the conversation if you want a project manager. McKenna would be coming into a squad mostly still filled with players that let him down before and tbh, should manage in the Prem before being considered. Honestly videos like this just highlight why Ten Hag is still the best candidate
De Zerbi has not had an underwhelming season. Brighton finished 11th, where do you want them to finish.
He definitely is a project manager. Do your research, he built a promising project at Sassuolo and his previous clubs he left to get better jobs after a year or so, whilst he left his job at Shakthar because of the war
Ten Hag is definitely not the best candidate, we’ve just had our worst PL season in history and looked tactically awful
@@AtlantisFootball so if he does a decent job with us, he'll leave to one of the big Spanish clubs and if he struggles he'll leave when it gets hard. He's a good coach, but you can't trust him to stay on, same as Tuchel. Brighton have struggled this season, they were poor in Europe too
@@ste4392 no he won’t because he’s at Man Utd not a mid table pl club
@@ste4392 they haven’t really struggled this season they finished 11th and also had a lot of injuries too, alongside losing their two best CM’s and having to contend with Europe and they only have the 14th highest wage bill with a lot of young players in the squad.
this guy is in love with de zerbi 🤣🤣
I am now getting a little annoyed with Atlantis's laser focus and high energy argument for sacking EtH. Totally giving me engineer vibe. Engineer not an executive (someone with the bigger picture and defines the vision). Perhaps you might be vindicated in the end, but I think there are more deeply rooted issues at united in addition to EtH.
If you think there's a bigger issue then stop bitchin and moaning and just tell us about it.
Wanting EtH sacked is not the same as believing he's the only problem.
The footballing structure is undergoing an overhaul & we've got to see how they perform. The Glazer excuse has to stop momentarily because Ratcliffe & Co are the ones spearheading the football operations from now on. Whether they deliver remains to be seen.
Background problems are being addressed, the manager is just the last straw.
Mate you need to grow up. How can you get annoyed when We just finished 8th and had our worst season of PL history. The issues are tactical which is down to the manager
Why can't you accept that we just had a bad season? If it was any other manager the criticism would still be the same. The team has played poorly all season and someone needs to be held accountable.
@@theemotionalremix yep exactly my point. We haven’t just had a disappointing season we’ve had our worse in PL history and Tbf the underlying stats show we are fortunate to be as high as we are. Social media has made people think that supporting the club is backing the manager at every point.
Tbh you could say United finished 8 points behind Villa when United had their worst season ever and Villa had their best season. Look at Spurs apparently an amazing season but still only 6 points ahead….
So you can argue it both ways…..
Not really because Villa have an inferior squad, a lower budget and started off as a mid table. Also they finished in the top 4 so it’s going to be tighter the further you go up the table
Not saying De Zerbi & McKenna aren't good, but your analysis is quite one sided. Even if they have good tactical mind, doesn't mean they will be good in Man Utd. Managing the like of Palace, Brighton, Spurs, Ipswich and Villa is not the same as managing Man Utd. All the club i have mentioned are actually better run than Man Utd. Have proper recruiting system, and pay's people what they deserve and that doesn't fall on ETH. Most of us aren't blind by how we perform this season, we just want continuity with the proper board behind ETH making those decision for him and just make him a coach. What he did in Ajax is fantastic and we could replicate something similar with a much harmony in the management part. Another arguement is that the players always gets away with this shit performance and throwing the team under the bus, except for Wilcox there isn't anyone in the board are close enough to the actual team to see what actually happening who needs to go and stay, and that is also the reason according to report he sitting with ETH almost every morning before training chatting (I dont know what they chat about but i assume it would be to do with the team and players)
I always enjoy your videos and analysis, since u have started, just disagree with this
Interesting video but under your logic you would’ve sacked fergie, arteta and klopp. All weren’t challenging for the title in their first 3 seasons. You would’ve called it ‘wasting’ a season. You’re right about a fair few things in the video but i do believe managers should have time and sacking ole after the europa league final would have been wrong. He finished 6th, then in his first full season finished 3rd, then 2nd with a europa league final whilst beating city in the league a fair few times. It was not clear if he could take us back to the top or not and I believe that would be the wrong choice by the dof to sack him after that final.
Arteta and klopp wouldn’t have been sacked. They were both constantly improving. That’s not the same as what is happening with ten Hag. Ferguson was 30 odd years ago so you can’t even compare with today.
The point is, we need a manager who is capable of challenging for the title. Even though Ole finished 2nd he was never the man to compete with Pep. It’s not about where managers finish it’s about whether you think they are going to be able to challenge for the title long term
But in hindsight it would have been the right choice that’s the point. You don’t what for a sackable offence to get rid of a manager you have to make the call before hand just as Chelsea have done with Poch.
well said 👍🏻
@@AtlantisFootballArteta didn't look like he was improving. He finished 8th twice and then lost 3 on the bounce
@@ste4392 yes he was. You need watch teams not just look at results. In his second full season Arsenal finished 5th and were better tactically than Ten Hag’s United after the same time in charge
You should do a video on the clubs that got relegated in Europes to 6 leagues and good potential players we can buy for cheap money
Yes
is De Zerbi GONNA make RAshford,antony, help in defence will he make AWB cross balls, will make Maguire play football will he make Casemiro and Main control the matches will he make Bruno keep the ball instead of going long if there is no option will he MAKE the rest of the team be Injury free I DON'T THINK SO. SO MAN UTD'S issues ARE NOT ETH'S FAULT. I CAN KEEP GOIN
Mate you’re completely wrong. De Zerbi will allow us to have a compact defensive unit and not concede 30 shots a game, whilst also being able to play out from the back under pressure. It’s 100% ten hags fault
@AtlantisFootball Bro can you make a comparison video of last season of TenHag with Ajax and this season of Manchester United n see whether the tactical flaws were there with the Ajax team.
Dude...just stop. This is getting ridiculous. We dont want Ten hag sacked!
He does though? It is his account. And his points aren’t necessarily invalid. I do think he’s overlay harsh and forgets integral aspects of managing such a powerhouse side commercially, but opinions are opinions and he’s definitely getting unnecessary hate just cause he doesn’t enjoy ETH tactically.
I know alot of Man Yoo fans that do want him sacked lol and why not? he finished 8th!
You are out of your damn mind in this one. How low have we fallen ?
How low have we fallen? McKenna and De Zerbi and two of the best young coaches around. If you don’t think so you’re mind must have fallen. This is perfectly logical. Just because they aren’t big names doesn’t mean they aren’t the right manager
mad right.. i know 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@AtlantisFootball I am not saying that they are poor managers, i'm just saying that they don't fit the status that manchester united are ! We want to win the premier league and the champions league eventually. This is the essence of what manchester united should be. With that being said, in today's football, we shouldn't gamble on managers that never won those competition let alone played in them ! I'm saying that they are not ready yet since they have nothing to back it up. In order to be the best in class, we need the best coach. We want to be Elite, we need elite coach. Neither of them are that and frankly you can't argue about that. You can't with good will say that De Zerbi or McKenna are elite managers.
@@yousseffarah6705 I can argue that. De Zerbi is an elite level coach, he’s proved that in the PL, that’s why he’s being linked with United, Chelsea, Bayern and Barcelona. As I said in the video you are just judging managers off name not their ability.
ETH needs more time, how can we employ a manager ETH has finished above in every single year, and beat Brighton in the FA Cup. We need ETH. I don't understand you guys trying to Let him go after a bad season. Last season we were all saying he needs like 4years to rebuild and yet we want him gone after year 2. Patience moves mountains.
Mate the other managers aren’t at Man Utd. De Zerbi has performed far better vs Man Utd than Ten Hag has vs Man Utd.
How can you seriously not understand? We’ve just had our worse season in Pl History and fortunate to be that high. We’ve had patience. It’s been 2 seasons. You don’t need 4 seasons to rebuild, that’s completely false. The issues are tactical and ten Hag has failed to solve the
Chelsea finished 10th in 15/16 and then won the league the next year under conte. Juventus finished 7th in 2010/11 and hadn’t won the league since they got relegated in 2006. Next season they won the league.
Barcelona hadn’t won the league for years before Rijkaard came in and won back to back La Liga’s and the champions league from 04-06.
That’s besides the point. What successful rebuild involves becoming a mid table side in the second season.
The fact of the matter is Man United needs not less than 3-4 years. Just look at Arsenal and Arteta. Rebuilding takes years and not just two years. How many years did Klopp take to win an epl cup for Liverpool.
So what next, when di Zerbi comes and cannot deliver a trophy in two years. Are we going to sack him as usual. The man needs time.
@@ohenebuabeng4539 No completely wrong. Arteta and Klopp's rebuild's were consistently improving and didn't have massive tactical issues. Ten Hag's united aren't improving they are getting worse and their are glaring tactical issues. How can't you understand that. Its nothing to do with winning a trophy.
Be honest do you actually understand the tactical side of the game? You can only rebuild with the right manager and ten hag is not the right manager
@@AtlantisFootball Arteta's rebuild was not consistently improving. They ended 20/21 a lot better than they started 21/22. They were getting relegation shouts, remember?
A new manager would mean a delay in the transfer action again...that's the biggest reason to not change the manager again. Until we have a complete setup that does transfers regardless of managers we will be slow and miss out on the easier and decent deals. There were no good managers around that fit the model we seemed to be moving too until this week. The ones that were are managers that want full control of transfers, which we seemed to be trying to get away from.
At the end of the day I'm fed up with changing managers but there have definitely been some decisions that ETH has made that make me question his chops here. Hell at least when rangnick was here you could clearly see what he wanted the players were just unable to do it, ETH there are a lot less of those moments where I see his style shown.
No it wouldn’t. The manager is in charge transfers. That’s not a reason to keep the manager. Before the transfers happen you need a new manager. There’s plenty of good managers around: De Zerbi, McKenna, Inzaghi etc
We can’t keep a manager for that reason
@@AtlantisFootball I did just say there were no managers for our "apparent" style of backroom till this week. But a manager change will slow down transfers, just look at every past manager's first season. All slow moves made, all needed to see the players in training and in pre-season before making decisions. If the structure above has made these decisions already and make moves regardless of managers then I'm ok with a change. But if manager needs to see and sign off then good luck signing anyone till mid July.
What a brilliant argument 🙌🏾
It baffles me that no one gives credit to McKenna already having spent time coaching at United under multiple coaches. He is uniquely qualified to walk in completely eyes open to what the issues have been and are at United.
yes done well but not a man utd level manager
@@Bleachguy2023 Maybe. Maybe not.
Players don't respect him, remember they once called him a PE teacher because of his hands on training methods
@@mwituinfluencers Those players are about to be cleared out or are already gone, as well as whoever the coach is going forward, including Ten Hag, will have the new regime backing that coach so I’m not worried about that issue any longer for any coach.
Neither is ten Hag. You’re only judging managers on the clubs they have been at not on their actual ability
McKenna was at Manchester United. I don't think the club should go back to the past, reason being I don't think he's good enough as a main leader.
He was a coach not the manager
Plus he was well respected as one of the best young coaches in England at the time
If he was a coach and never did much, could he manage Manchester United, bro? I am sure a manager does much more than a coach or, let's say, has many similarities. However, De Zerbi looks quite serious or strict not easily manipulated so the possibility of him coming in looks promising.
@@AtlantisFootball Yes, but being well respected is one thing, but can he manage those players' egos? Manchester United needs a structure from the top down, so removing Ten Hag is not a good idea. No top coach could manage these players at the club. Most of them are not good enough, money has been wasted.
You are amazing 🎉❤ you are a true RED
Thanks man 🙏🏼
@@justonemorego4079 yes. Being a true Man Utd supporter isn’t just blindly backing the manager
@@justonemorego4079 fifa manager? None of my opinions are even remotely related to “football manager” I think you mean.
Cut him slack? Are you being serious. We’ve just had our worst PL season of all time and the underlying stats show we should have been even further down the league. I don’t see why you can’t accept basic criticism of ten Hag
@@justonemorego4079 mate that’s complete nonsense. McKenna has already achieved a lot in his short career as a manager. You haven’t even watched Ipswich nor even know what his tactical set up is. You’re simply looking at the fact he manages Ipswich and deciding he’s not good enough. That’s more fifa manager like than any of my opinions
@AtlantisFootball Bro can you make a comparison video of last season of TenHag with Ajax and this season of Manchester United n see whether the tactical flaws were there with the Ajax team.
Change the players ffs, why tf are you going on and on about the manager thing? It's been 10 years, we all realize it's never been only about the manager of ManUtd, players like Rashford, Lindelof, Martial have been here for nearly a decade, why don't you mention them? CHANGE THOSE PLAYERS FIRST, the manager thing comes second. De Zerbi only lost Caceido and he got fcked this season. Futhermore, De Zerbi never won a trophy. ManUtd NEED manager with class like Zidane or Ancelotti, we don't need an experiment like De Zerbi, look at how Chelsea doing with their experiments.
Completely wrong. Why I’m I still going on about the manager? Because we are 8th mate and a mid table side.
It is the manager not the players. It’s the tactical set up in and out of possession which is the issue. We changed the players, it’s a completely different squad to LVG and Mourinho.
Mate your knowledge is poor. You don’t judge up and coming managers on what trophies they have won, that’s lazy analysis.
Be honest, do you actually understand the tactical side of the game?
De Zerbi is nothing like Potter or Pochettino
I don't think it will be a good idea to change ETH. He developed a team with his playing mentality. If another manager comes, he has to change the whole team structure again. Again, it will take one season to accustom a team with a new manager playing styles. So, ETH should give another season and give ETH 4/5 signing to see how he manage the team. It takes time for players to get accustomed to his system because some of his signings are bad and there are lots of injury issues. Under ETH many young players outshine in OT like Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund, and now Amad. He gives sustainability in the squad which is hard to see in other previous managers after Sir Alex.
It's not because they don't want to sack Teen Hag. It's because they want to decide on an identity and playing style FIRST, then after that, they'll research managers who fit that playing style. They are not gonna make that decision now, because many of the key people who are supposed to be involved in this process are on gardening leave. So Teen Hag will stay until this process is at a more advanced stage.
This is the process:
1) Install new executives and backroom staff
2) Decide identity
3) Research managers
4) Hire manager
They are still at stage 1 and will not go to stage 4 before finishing stage 1-3.
They shouldn’t be at stage 1. They should be at stage 3 by now
@@AtlantisFootball Why?
The issue is the timming. With our Ceo and our Director not coming in until the end of the summer. I dont see us sacking ten hag until in the middle of the year if he does bad.
We want to be challenging for the league next season not delay tactics like Tuchel or Southgate or Potter or DeZerbi or mismanaging EtH cos we'll be better off with Ole or Outsider like Zidane than EtH cos he lacks people skills meaning wrong type of manager to take charge of our club.
The best advice we're prepare to offer is EtH & his team should pack their bags & go back to Ajax or Bayern to reinvent himself!
Keep it in the family!
When i saw Statman Dave's analysis of McKenna's Ipswich Town, I literally could envision United playing like that and it looked glorious up to the point of Rashford tucking into the left half space of the field were he'd be at the erfect place to shoot(his specialty) with a lb coming far wide to provide creative attacking chances(Luke Shaw🥹, prolly why i'm hooked on United buying Leif Davis).
Altogether, I'd genuinely want to see what McKenna's Ipswich does in the PL next season then I'd swoop in to get him, cause i feel his tactics would transform United into a fluid goal scoring machine.
“Imagine what De Zerbi could do with better players”… are you sure you’re talking about united?
Yes. United have significantly better players than Brighton
@@AtlantisFootball Lewis Dunk > Jonny Evans, Estupian > Amrabat Joao Pedro > Hojlund Solly March > Mc Sauce are you sure?
The top director of football knows Ten Hag is good and doesnt prematurely assume a bad next season off the current one
Well you should assume. He’s had a whole season. Not a few months. And the tactical issues are still there after a whole season
@@AtlantisFootball a bad next season doesn't logically follow. Why ought one assume here?
Here is a counter example:
Ten Hag came in to win trophies -> He knows he needs a better squad -> He focuses on improving players like Dalot, McT and all the youth guys by stuffing them into challenging roles in games -> he doesn't give a fuck about the rest of the squad and about winning until he gets the squad into the shape he knows he needs.
This is one counter example I came up with just now backed up by Ten Hag not even looking like he was ever bothered to change anything nid game, or from game to game. It's almost like he visibility wasn't even attempting to fulfill your pathetic desires. We have by far the worst physical squad profile in the premier league and therefore he picks McT and tries to fill up the squad with young players instead.
It's all development and not Ten Hag sweating on the sideline about being outclassed. It's almost like he is able to come 3rd in the first year, but then decides to throw all that out the window to not end up like Ole.
I watched AJ's analysis on Mckenna, and it's really impressive. I'd have him over Tuchel.
Still think after almost getting to Champions League final with Ajax, playing incredible football, you can't say ETH can't do the same with us, given the personnel to do it. I don't get that logic as he's done it, and one more season with the right recruitment might just get us there. This season is an anomaly.
We aren't going to agree on this, and I can't defer to you despite your expertise which is hard position for me to take. I just think you have a blind spot on this.
Give Mckenna another season with Ipswich before he gets thrown to the wolves, I'm ambivalent on Di Zerbi and think there could be a stronger option next year. Give ETH one more season and if it fails, then we can change up.
Mate I can say ten Hag can’t do the same because he hasn’t done it this season. He’s failed miserably without even being able to implement a clear style of play.
Getting Ajax to the CL final was 5 years ago. The tactical landscape of the PL has changed dramatically since then. Last season we were fortunate to finish as high as we did and the whole season we were told he couldn’t play the way he wanted because he needed a new goalkeeper
We can’t afford to give Ten Hag one more year. We’ve been so bad it’s already set us back a season
@@AtlantisFootball just don't think Di Zerbi is the guy and Mckenna isn't...yet.
Can we afford two managers who aren't the one, rather than one? At least one more season gives us the opportunity to definitely line up the one we can build the future with, rather than going through another two year cycle with another manager who is unlikely to succeed.
You would do the same video about sacking de zerbi or mckenna once they underperforms arent u?
If they underperform like ten Hag after 2 years yes obviously. But you’d assume they’d do better or wouldn’t bring them in
What sort of comment is this 🤣
Hii bro can make a video on how garnacho,mainoo & hojlund would fit into Roberto der zerbi system. If joins manutd in the summer. Pls 🙏
How do you feel about someone like Galtier or someone with a similar style at united?
Yeah I’d take him over ten Hag but Thomas Frank and De Zerbi would be my top 2.
Good pop at mark goldbridge there for his strong opinions combined with lack of knowledge . I been calling him out for exact same thing you are saying just without you saying his name. Worrying thing is how many people just copy and paste what he says in chat and comments.
not your business btw, just watching as a fuckin fan
@tynn443 why so angry? Who hurt you? Oh BTW you put yourself out there with strong opinions people will disagree will comment. I actually like mark goldbridge but his tactical analyst on other managers and why man utd should keep ten haag is lazy and lacks basic knowledge.
Arteta finished 8th in his first 2 seasons didn't he? He needed time to get rid of undesirables like Aubameyang, Mustafi, and Ozil. More importantly, he's had the time to work under a proper football structure. ETh is the least of our current problems. There needs to be a complete transformation fo this squad, bringing a set of players to operate within a defined system, the training facilities need to be upgraded, and our medical staff need to be sacked! I'd run Ten Hag's contract, and give Ineos the time to settle and make those changes. Even the almighty Klopp needed time at Liverpool to get rid of the players he was given and get his. Guardiola's transition was more seamless because their director was already making moves while he was still at Bayern. I completely disagree with the idea that we have given our managers enough time! Even the great Ferguson didn't hit the ground running. So, whether it's Ten hag, de cerbi, or Guardiola, this club is not winning anything meaningful any time soon.
What’s that got to do with it. Arteta finished 5th after two full seasons. We absolutely have given our managers enough time. You don’t need 3 seasons to be able to implement a clear tactical strategy.
@@AtlantisFootballrubbish 💀wen did we see arteta tactics in his 3rd season 🤷🏾♂️ i actually see what ten hag trying to do from day one but our players don’t fit it plus we have a lot of injuries they ask him why he don’t take a pragmatic approach he said “if I do players won’t get exactly what we want to achieve” the last 5 games we playing out from the back way better into the second phase nd play to the final third but our players Technical ability is rubbish
@@venuummuziq Nonsense. You can't see what Ten Hag is trying to do its completely chaotic and he absolutely does have the players to at least be semi competent at building out, retaining possession and defensive compactly, we don't even do that against the lower table sides.
Stop trying to lower expectations of the squad to defend Ten Hag. He is tactically inept, the performance of this season proves that.
@@AtlantisFootball what’s our average percentage of pass completion? Smh rashford underperformed Bruno underperform for most of the season we don’t have good DM our center backs are injured our left back’s are injured what players do we have that is semi competent? And btw can semi competent players make a tactic completely? I am not lowering expectation of the squad it’s just the truth the amount of misplaced passes and low IQ moments I saw from man United this season I can’t blame ten hag for that if you listen ten hag talk I see y u want him sack but United players are really fragile and will break if you criticize them only a few wouldn’t look at this the players still fight for ten hag they didn’t for no other manager because he talk delusional and play mind games if he get the chance to clear out players many will be sent packing
@@AtlantisFootball what's that got to do? EVERYTHING!!!! Considering you spend most of the time in your video saying we shouldn't give managers time
Love the content mate someone please send this video to Mark Goldbridge to get him off the Ten Hag pr train
Goldbridge knows nothing about tactical football he is exactly what is being talked about in this video people that just go online and look for what coaches have won in their careers
@@AtlantisFootball You are so latched on to tactics. He was referring to the fans' perception of the managers being similar.
It was a reply to a different comment mate
Thanks bro 🙏🏼
The fact that ETA won a trophy and was treated terribly by Glazers/Ineos has made him a cult figure, making the job far more difficult for his successor. Although they conceded many goals, they kept the most clean sheets last season. I'd love to see him there for a third season, he will not win the league but I'm so curious how he will approach next season.
But if you think he can’t win us the league why keep him?
Fair point bro. I've been sitting here throughout the season wondering if ETH gets sacked, who can actually takeout from him. I want ETH to stay and if he should get sacked we must go after someone new with fresh tactics and not someone with a track record where we just compare the current results they produce against their previous results at their other clubs.
Yeah I think the tactical side is the most important. Someone who is going to play front foot, controlled football with aggressive pressing and is actually going to persist with it, is the type of head coach United need
@@AtlantisFootball I think it was Nagelsmann who said, being a manager is "25% tactics, 75% social competence". I don't think it's *all* about tactics.
@@JohnDoe-qm8ns I can actually agree with that as there is something about the ETH conducts himself in the media that makes me lack confidence in him and it makes me wonder how the players feel.
@@shamierlewis5746 I agree, but how a manager appears to media is not the same to players. In front of media, everything is mediated by PR teams and media training. It's not authentic.
Absoltely brilliant analysis. You've earnt my eternal ratings
Thanks man 🙏🏼
I rate De Zerbi higher than ETH in terms of tactics tbh. He has a proper structure of how his team should play and he implemented it fairly quickly. Even though Brighton hasn't been up to par in comparison with their previous season, I still appreciate the way they dominate games which is in stark contrast to United. My issue with the United team atm is we gotta get rid of so many players so hopefully we can sell some this transfer window which will be hard imo.
There's lots of good managers who I think could help us win titles like Inzaghi and De Zerbi but United's issue isn't just with ETH. The whole club is riddled with so many issues that need to be fixed.
i dont rate de zerbi going for a failed manager
Mate you’re talking nonsense. He’s not a failed manager at all. Your football knowledge is appalling if you think so. Stop trying to put down every other manager just because ten Hag has failed
Yep completely agree
@@AtlantisFootball no fan will agree on everything only thing fans will agree on is the glazers need to go
@@AtlantisFootball then why are liverpool not looking at him ???
Tactically, im not sure if de Zerbis system works at united. Against big clubs he would make utd very dangerous but i can imagine us dropping points too often against weaker teams in the league to ever win it. His system relies on opposition teams trying to press, but weaker teams will be more than happy to stay deep against a team like United. If i saw him have a plan B for when this arises during his time at Brighton then id say hes the perfect manager!
Regarding ETH, i find it interesting that he chose to play less pragmatically this season as he did last year with UTD. He played a system on purpose that he knew wouldn't get the most out of our players. What I'm not sure of is why. The only saving grace (and it's not one i fully believe) is that he's changing the way the team plays in order to be better next year. A 1 step backward and 2 steps forward approach. I feel like the pragmatic approach that mourinho, ole and ETH in his first season took has a plateau and can't win the league and maybe ETH noticed this?
Don’t forget about ETH season one. You can’t discount his first season and define it by the second season with the injuries and takeover disruption, Mason Greenwood situation. Rashfords drop of form. Antony with DV issues hanging over him. United got worse in transitioning to an ETH team when we lost Fred and brought in Onana. Onana is on ETH but who could have predicted that he would fall of a cliff with Rashford. Luke Shaw and Martinez injury is a key factor, and Casemiro’s age caught up with him. All of this is in season 2 and I’m sure im missing other points. I always watch your stuff and agree with loads of your content but on this one I think you’re jumping the gun.
Honestly I get ur point with Mckenna and De Zerbi being ideal coaches with clear plans and good attacking teams. However, I have never been convinced by Ipswich nor Brighton defence. Ipswich have conceded over 65 goals this season whilst Brighton has arguably the worst defence in transition in PL.
We always focus on the managers with best build up patterns but never the managers with the most stable tactics. Im not saying we should go for a defence minded coach like Tuchel, but rather someone that focuses on their defending plays as much as their attacking patterns. Obviously De Zerbi and Mckenna have implemented a wonderful pressing structure respectively, but similarly their pressing structures are made for winning the ball as high as possible. Which can be good, but I think more effectively would be a pressing structure that wins the ball as much as possible. Someone like Nagielsmann has perfected this which would be my number 1 choice but if not available I would stick with Ten Hag as he is the best of the bunch left out of the managers and really the players are more at fault than him as the players have gone through many managers being sacked and blamed whilst the players never get blamed.
Players like Beradi could be available
Ten hag took ajax with half the budget of brigton to back to back eridivise titles, and champions league semifinal, what has de zerbi or mckenna done?
Just not how you judge managers. This is exactly what I was saying in the video. Judge managers on their tactical set ups in 2024, not just by scanning their Wikipedia pages
De Zerbi got Brighton there highest ever PL finish and McKenna got back to back promotions.
Its not about scanning Wikipedia pages, its about winning with a sustainable modern playing style. My point of mentioning ten hags achievements was to point out there is no fault in his playing style or tactics, getting a promotion and winning back to back league titles is not the same bro. Look at ajax after he left, he made things look easy. Ten hag is one of the finest coaches at present, de zebri and mckenna has lots to prove. You see man united not winning, bring up some footages and see that someone is not tracking back or the shape is incorrect. It is not about coaching its about players who are not fit to play a managers style. Its stupid to compare tactics when players are not available. If it was ten hag then city would have thrashed us in the fa cup final. Ole found it extremely difficult to break low block teams. You can then point out about the managers tactical ability. United under ten hag lost against teams with different playing styles. Most of whom we beat last season. Its not about tactics
@@kaaiism that’s not how judge a managers tactics. His tactical set up is at fault as we saw throughout last year.
It’s about recognising how good a manager is tactically and getting the best out of individual players not just looking back at achievements.
Yes and McKenna and especially de Zerbi proved they were better tactically than ten Hag over the last 2 seasons. That why de Zerbi is a better manager.
There is always perpetual growth and for me it’s growth by players or growth squad . Rick James Aura kikiki. I trust you are right and I trust you have all facts to you argument correct but here is the thing is he the manager to do it ? I say yes for the simple fact of how many of the players have improved even their attitudes and in the process a lot happens but that’s didn’t affect the attitude of those players they didn’t down tools even in incapacitated as they were they would have a brilliant first 20 mins so u saking ETH for one thing not getting top 4 but also not appreciating the attitude he is instilling . So much to argue with mid table clubs you have as reference . We either building something or just hunting
I think we should keep ten hang because we need our club to be discipline first
We can’t. We need an elite level tactician. The players are disciplined look at what happened to Sancho.
@@AtlantisFootball I have read a report where it's said that some anonymous has triggered the clause of Brighton manager but the club who triggered is unknown, this case usually happen when the team have a very important match incoming so that the present manger of that club doesn't intensional lose the match for getting sack after the match , is it united ? Have you got any information about it ? If yes then please make a video analysis on this case
Credit to Mckenna for what his done but it's just too early to consider. We'll need to see what he can do in the epl before looking at him
De Zerbi is proven but I doubt he'll come
Poch has been sacked but idk if united will appoint him
Some points I agree with, others I don’t. Overall good analysis, great job!
Thanks man
If we are going for already proven. It's Tuchel for me.
I always loved De Zerbi but my problem was when he said he doesn't play for trophies.
Manutd should go for either De Zerbi or Tuchel and stop this process thing.
Thank you atlantis that’s fact bro and you are spot on. we really need a new manager
Thanks man, any other videos you want to see?
Opinion, not "fact"
@@JohnDoe-qm8ns yes but it’s obvious we do. We’ve just had our worst season in PL history and look like a mid table side
Atlantis you made your point and I get it. We can’t keep saying this manager doesn’t have trophies if he never got the chance. Your argument on looking at tactics that fit rather than titles really hit. You make a fair case. I don’t want ETH to leave but if he ends up leaving then it’s cool
Have you noticed klopp and pep implemented dezerbi philosophy in their system by using two pivot midfielder while building from the back in this session.
De zerbi teaches everything to the players , timming of the pass, position of the players, speed of the pass, movement etc. I Hope manutd will appoint de zerbi
W ball knowledge. This is my exact point. De Zerbi’s tactical ideas are influencing even the best managers
I pray we get this De Zerbi deal done. We won’t get a better opportunity.
I want a vid that explains why ten hag has failed to improve the side this season, that would be good
Man i hope we go with De Zerbi if it’s true that ETH is leaving. De Zerbi has immense potential and we all can admit that even tho this season hasn’t been great for him and Brighton. Brighton has been a very very good team over the years under him. so if we get ride of ETH. De Zerbi is the better option of them all. And it also looks like Juventus is going to sign Motta 🤞🏾
Yep completely agree, unfortunately a lot of the fan base pretend he’s been exposed to try to cover for ten Hag
@@AtlantisFootball ETH is not a bad manager a lot of things have gone against him this season but i can’t sit here and act like he didn’t participate in the problems we have had on the pitch.
him, his staff, the players are responsible for what happened on the pitch.
that’s clear but we also can’t deny the fact that man utd has been shit for 11 years with constant ups and downs and ETH is just cost of business.
Managers don’t last long at united because we have been run so badly for 11 years and that still plagues the whole club til this day.
hopefully IF they go with another manager i hope they stick with him and back him 100%
The reason i simply wouldnt take McKenna at this time is simply coz i would wait to see what he does next season, in a continuous period where we have zero stability taking a risk like this isnt the best decison. My no.1 target would be Amiron or Nagelsman. either would do. Also i would sack Ten Hag immediately after the FA Cup jus like they did wit LVG. Eth has don considerably worse than LVG's last season
It is too soon to replace EtH and make another leap into the unknown with a new manager. If I were Ineos I would keep EtH and see how he performs next season with the new players that will be coming in. Whether we keep him or replace him we won't be challenging for Trophies next season, so you are losing nothing by giving him another season to grow into the job.
If Ineos do decide to replace EtH, McKenna would be a bold and brave move, but I suspect that it would be too much too soon for the Guy and he would be better off staying at Ipswich
It’s not. He’s had 2 seasons. We can’t waste another season. We are declining not progressing like Chelsea. We were getting worse as the season went on
Maybe true for McKenna I think he might need a season in the PL but we absolutely need another coach. Can’t continue this mess
@@AtlantisFootball For a massive Club like Man United NO manager will be able to turn things around in just two seasons, though I understand your frustration and disappointment with this season.
It will be fascinating to see what Ineos do
@@AtlantisFootball I am delighted that McKenna has done so well at Ipswich and for his sake I hope United don't knock on his door too soon. Though I could understand that they will be tempted to do just that.
Managing United is a Massive job and the toll that it places upon managers/coaches should not be underestimated
There’s plenty of managers who could turn it around. It’s about winning on the pitch. A good transfer window and a manager with a clear coherent and effective season and we can be where arsenal and Liverpool are in 2 seasons for sure
please make a video about amorim
De Zerbi style of football with a decent striker up top has a very good chance of being successful, starting to warm to the idea of him taking Ten Hag’s job. Anyone who can get Dunk to look a good defender is skilled.
Ten Hag’s recruitment has been appalling still zero idea why United signed Mount, Antony, Amrabat, Casemiro (as he’s not a ball carrier which is what he wanted).
Sounds harsh, but not totally misguided. For me ETH looks like he still has the naivety of an upcoming manager. The stubbornness to not change his tactics to his depleted squad has been annoying me all season. Only in the final games did he change, and we looked more compact. And i think this is something he might have been asked to do by someone above.
Then there are his deluded comments. They have only made me lose whatever faith I had in him.
Personally, I would have De Zerbi. Mckenna, not so much. I think I would wanna see how he does in the Premier League first, hopefully with Ipswich.
I would wanna see if he has the humility to adapt to the better teams in the League. You look at the real elite managers (barring Pep), they all adapt their style when needed. Look at our very own Sir Alex. He never used to go all out on the likes of Barca. Even Ancelotti does adapt to city.
Elite managers know that being stubborn with tactics is just naive and stupid.
Agreed 👍🏼
I agree 100%. ETH should have been sacked in September last year. His team cannot attack, cannot defend, and their build-up play is terrible.
same things happened in the last decade with 7 other managers in their last season btw
No it hasn’t. This is our lowest ever finish. Even still that doesn’t mean Ten Hag is not the issue now
just wanna see us CONTROL and dominate games, especially vs smaller teams. Preferably a possession based style; make the opposition do the running. ETH is not the man. He didn't do it last season or this season
Mate you're one of the best united fan there is who loves his club so keep up the good work and don't even listen to these stupid city fans who think all this is happening because of injury or takeover 😂
McKenna could be a risk at this moment, at least one season In the prem will do him good.
Everyone is a risk at this moment in time. There is no safe bet. It’s time to be bold.
@@cornthdl you for Mckena??
@@The_Special_Kara I would take him, yes. Is he the best choice for United right now? I don’t know. Would it be the best move for his career right now? I don’t know.
@@cornthdl I admire your bravery! He's a good coach but you know Manchester United needs a certain character in order to succeed, I wish he is that man
@@cornthdl these United players literally leaked and blamed Mckenna with his training sessions, exactly the same things happening to Ten Hag this season...
I think we should give teg hag another 1 full season to improve his style of play and try to finished top four... If hw failed to do that then we should sack him
I am absolutely ETH out, there is no objective reason for us to keep him after a horror season even if by some miracle we win the FA Cup. ts easy to see that ETH is not working out today and keeping him on will mean that next season is yet another throwaway season for United. That said, we were all excited when he was hired because his tactical setup and his Ajax teams were great but this season has exposed his tactical weaknesses. Ideally a Man United Head Coach should have a strong tactical setup, excellent man management, strong personality, and a proven success record at the highest level. There is no one that checks all the boxes atm so there is an element of risk with any new appointment.
This is the same fanbase that cheered for ETH and the moment when the process experience a low you guys scream to sack him. All managers will fail if that's the way fans look at football,It is a broken club with inconsistent and mediocre players.ETH aint Jesus 🤣
The thing about this is it can be a hit or a miss y’all should just give the boss some more time
Man Utd should consider Mckenna what has he done in hes career with a big club, Big ego's he needs many more years of being a manager and needs to be in Prem on a yearly basis. He may be on he's way but not yet media will chew him up worse than Moyes.he hasn't yet warranted getting the Utd job. Ipswich ain't United and we are not doing another Ole. oh and Di Zerbi yes good manager tactical as well but injurey hit season (not as many as United) but where did he end up in the league with he's relatively hit squad. ETH needs time and a good CLUB structure and let him focus on the football not Sancho, Not Rash, Not players domestics none of that. Don't get me wrong he gets/got things wrong who hasn't but these 2 nah playing and managing Utd is a totally different kettle of fish
With poch leaving chelsea ,he should be our main candidate
even pep cant make this team challenge city, at least need 2-3 years if the player all fit, then the starting 11 might be comparable. last season our best player atking wise is rashford and bruno, and both is counter atk player, they cant play short like brighton, well they can but its not their strength. and this season rashford is basically sleep and our other best player last season (martinez and Case) was injured and underperform. the only mistake i will admit that Ten Hag make is recruitment, mount is basically weird signing, antony and rasmus overpaid, and didnt sign possession midfield (luckly Mainoo break through this season) is made his job harder. unless de zerbi can sell bruno, rashford, maguire, and other non possession base player, i dont think he can make that much change.
dont get me wrong, i also dont like our playstyle this season, but remember last season we forced luke shaw on CB just to make us able to play high line. for this season its impossible, we dont even have CB, also Casemiro was underperformed, our atker didnt score, and also we forced to play McTomminay just because he can score. i agree De Zerbi might have more "tactical" gameplay, but i dont think he can switch United player overnight, because like you said, De Zerbi lost McAlister, Caicedo and Sanchez. but its not that different when you see Rashford, Casemiro, Shaw and Martinez performance and injury this season.
No one is saying to challenge city. But a lot of managers get us top 4 with this squad not 8th
Yes they absolutely can play football like de Zerbi. This squad is far better than Brighton’s. The issue isn’t the squad isn’t the tactical set up from ten Hag
For me it's simply easy, try sth new no matter how it gonna be if the old one already fail.
i think Ten Hag should go. i don’t know if De Zirby is the right guy or not i don’t think we as fans have enough information to know that
If we sack coaches more often United could be the equal of Chelsea. What an aspiration!
Yes, 2 champions leagues and 2 Premier leagues in a decade. 4 more big trophies than United in that period
@AtlantisFootball The fiotball world has changed. The hire and fire ROI has diminished. Structures are getting more corporate as only nation state clubs can distort the market with payments "off the books". The billionaire friend of Putin technique of payments has relegated his Dutch club on the sly.
De Zerbi looking like he going Chelsea
This rant was well overdue. To be honest even last season we still didn't have a distinct style of play just different patterns.
De Zerbi for me ⚽
Totally agree with you! De Zerbi is a way better technically than Ten hag
Thanks man 🙏🏼
I change my mind, I thought we should keep Ten Hag. Because United and its fan love mediocrity maybe we get relegation battle after splashing 600m next szn
It would be such a Chelsea thing to just take brightons coach again
A year ago i would have taken de zerby in a heartbeat but this year he is been found out unless he improves its a no
He hasn’t been found out. He has a Brighton side which is far inferior to the top sides. If you watch Brighton full matches you’ll see that the issues are down to individual ability not tactical set up. He’s not been found out at all
ETH IN
Worst season in PL history mate
agree bro
@@AtlantisFootball so what bro he deserves another year at least
Ineos does not want to sack ETH end of story 😂
Is that why Bayern went with Vincent Kompany?
So far I've been in the camp of wanting to give ETH more time, and I was concerned about De Zerbi's lack of experience managing at a high pressure club. Over the last few videos you're starting to convince me otherwise, looking for the next managerial gem in this new crop of managers is definitely a very sound argument
you don't have a choice now, our club only has 35m left to spend this summer now, and that's only enough to sack Ten Hag lol, the club have been broken from top to bottom, having billion of other problems that have to be fixed even before considering the coach position
No we don’t lmao, why make this up. We have far more than £35m to spend
Yeah you have to take a chance on managers. The best managers all start somewhere, experience is great but overl ability is more important
@@justonemorego4079 who?
Man U does not have the players that would fit a top system in the epl or Champions League so honestly, they have to be changes made no matter who the managers (we can not play through the back )
We need someone who is flexible in their system, and slowly transition us to a top system ( we just don’t have the personnel ) and the new coach won’t make that happen
We do need a coach that can win the league
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ETH is not good enough i dont understand how fans can watch the prem and champions league campaign and think the FA cup is sufficient. Although the trophy is a good accolade the style of play, team selection and overall management is not good enough.
Completely agree. If it was Ole they would want him gone. It’s because back in 2022 people decided that no matter what went wrong, the manager wouldn’t be to blame
Your analysis are really good
Thanks man
Any other videos you want to see?
@@AtlantisFootball can you please do a video on Paulo Fonseca?
If De Zerbi or McKenna were coach this past season I bet the results would have been exactly the same.
Don't forget McKenna was on staff and overseeing the training drills with Carrick the season we got 58 points. They both have done great since then.
Man United has a virus and no great coach can fix it.
No they absolutely wouldn’t. This is the worse Man Utd season in PL history. The issues are tactical and de Zerbi is a far better tactician than ten Hag.
Stop this narrative. There’s plenty of coaches who could do better. It’s not man Utd it’s the tactical set up of the coach.
@@AtlantisFootball I disagree but since neither of us are on the United board, we'll have to wait and see what happens.
@@AtlantisFootball Your conclusion and the reasons for it are not related at all. Even *if* those managers are better tactically, doesn't mean it will translate with our squads' player profiles.
For just one season
I would give United to ETH
Give him the money to buy FDJ and the others he want
Just one more season with him
I personally don't find it healthy to sack managers year in year out
LOL the tele clips were killing me. I wanted to say I think you're probably one of the most thoughtful Man United and tactics CZcamsrs around right now, and I think this channel will grow nonstop so long as you keep putting out content. You have a willingness to argue for points dispassionately and with conviction rather than rely on conformity, which is very commendable. Your point about Abramovich's frequent sacking of managers and United's tendency to keep them for too long is one that I hadn't heard before, but it's not easy to argue against. Out of curiosity, what do you make of that Tifo Football video 'Has Roman Abramovich actually held Chelsea back?' I'm guessing your perspective would be that United should have a "procedural approach to success," but that that approach should be dependent on the vision of a Director of Football as opposed to being wedded to an unsuccessful manager for too long a period of time. Have I got that right? Cheers!
Can’t believe how we’ve lost the culture of the club. We’ve always given managers time. Sir Alex was given us 4 Years where we finished bottom half twice and almost got relegated before we won something. Feel like we should have this with all managers
Yes and we’ve given ten Hag time. He’s had two seasons and now we are a mid table side. Sir Alex was 30 odd years ago. You don’t just give the wrong manager time. Ten Hag has failed to correct basic tactical errors. 2 seasons is more than enough time
We’ve lost the culture of winning at the club by keeping managers who clearly aren’t good enough and then being forced to sack them a few months later when the ship completely sinks
We can’t expect to be higher with this current squad when no one’s playing for the shirt and everyone’s checked out. This was inevitable from how the clubs been ran for the last 10 years. Hopefully this is the last of it and the big clear out with all the players who do shitall only caring about the pay check leaving and us brining in 6-8 players we can rebuild and repeat what we did in Ten Hags first season. Which everyone seems to forget abt
@@lecheese6190 Oh come off it. They are playing for the shirt, the FA Cup game against Liverpool proved that. We absolutely can expect better from this squad its a top 4 level squad. Stop lowering expectations to defend Ten Hag. De Zerbi, Emery, McKenna, Tuchel etc all do far better with that squad.
@@AtlantisFootball What expectations can we have when we’ve been getting progressively shitter every year. One game doesn’t show the players playing for the badge week in week out. We were terrible against Liverpool up until Antony scored that fluke of a goal and all the players realised there’s something to play for again. After some of these players have been through 4 managers and all 4 can’t get the best out of them I feel like the players have to be at fault
I low key think ten hag is sacked after the FA cup final, the utd announce De Zerbi!
De Zerbi and Mckenna are good options should ETH be fired, but Utd still has the worst recruitment in the top 8, if that doesnt change then bringing in a new coach wont change a thing.
Wasn’t De Zerbi sacked and another thing we have good players just don’t have linking profiles
De Zerbi wasn’t sacked and we do have the profile of players just not the tactical set up from the manager
Does EtH have a future at our Club?
Ans. No, Bayern Munich would be the sort of Club that suits EtH not Ole!
EtH has to earn the right to be our Manager cos right now he's been messing Up due to his lack of adapting, limited approach to the job & his undermining of the youth policy, so there's room for improvement!
If Eric Ten Hag gets the PUSH cos he's a Man City fan, helping the opposition & sabotage what he has built at our Club then bring back Ole Gunnar Solskjaer with his new Management team (Ole & his 3 Wise Men)!
SAF way & Ole way is the Man Utd way. Only the 5min fans (anyone under 30) & FlipFlop fans wouldn't want him!
Keep it in the family!
McKenna for me , plus knows the United structure and executive
But it’s a different structure now
I used to like this channel's content, but now feel like he's just putting out content for the sake of it or even worse he never had a lot of knowledge of football. Though stats actually are important in recruitment, its not everything. Anyone can just pull out data and state it blatantly.
Cant even imagine how you're suggesting McKenna for the United's managerial role. The man's been a manager for few seconds. Lets see how he fares in the Prem. And coming to De Zerbi, all Brighton's managers have been good because of the structure put in by Tony Bloom. United clearly cant clear out everyone and United dont have the De Zerbi type players. Then what? Again start from level 0 with new manager and sack him in 2 years for not getting results??
Maybe you should start reviewing your earlier videos and start posting new apologetic videos for your incorrectness.
Maybe you're just posting United's content for the views.
Our club is on the level of Real Madrid. Would Real accept an 8th place finish? NO CHANCE. Manager would be gone asap. There's simply no excuse for ETH's failure this season. Yes we've had injuries, but outside of Shaw & Martinez we've had our best players available for the majority of the season
Yep completely agree. The excuses are embarrassing at this point
Bring De Zerbi, with higher quality players in United he will cook
not with these United players with big egos, high wages, refusal to run and almost uncoachable...De Zerbi will find out the same problem like Ten Hag as he can't coach these players the same way they did with young players at Ajax and Brighton, unless an actual ruthless massive clear out will finally happen a long side with the new manager arrival, btw even McKenna failed to coach these players a few years ago anyway, they also leaked and blamed him for training sessions exactly the same things happened to Ten Hag this season
Yes he would. Stop blaming the players. This squad is good enough to be top 4/5. The players are not refusing to run stop regurgitating this nonsense
so by your argument 2 players out injured on the random is worse than losing 3 quarters of the first choice defense for the entire season which makes playing on the front foot far harder when the replacements make icebergs look quick, so the defense and midfield end up disjointed. soljaer shouldn't have even been offered the jobin the first place, he never "wasted" ronaldo, he never should have signed him due to the way the team wanted to play.
What does that have to do with ten Hag not being able to set up a compact defensive shape in the midfield and forward line.
We absolutely did waste ronaldo because we didn’t have a manager who could challenge for the league
@@AtlantisFootball ronaldo wasn't going to help us win the league. we never had the players to get close. he said he wanted the players to play as they "feel" and not coach their instincts out of them, if we hadn't had the injuries the midfield/defense problem wouldn't have been there. thwe system worked fine last season, of the top 8 only 3 teams had better defenseive stats even with all the injuries.
@@cellanjones28 yes he absolutey was. We did have the players. We had Varane, ronaldo, Pogba, Fernandes, Rashford, martial, Matic etc
@@cellanjones28 the system didn’t work fine last year. We finished 6th on Xpoints and really only got top 4 because of Rashford’s purple patch and Liverpool, tottenham and Chelsea failing off. Even if that was true this season we are essentially a mid table side
@@cellanjones28 we finished 15th on XGA this season. That’s embarrassing